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I've heard it said once that pork is one of the things you don't feed to your cats. Now, other than that it's not kosher (and then a concern if kitty is Jewish), I'm curious, what is the reason for this?  SignatureDennis Carr - ke6isf@spamcop.net | I may be out of my mind, http://www.dennis.furtopia.org | But I have more fun that way. ------------------------------------+------------------------------- > I've heard it said once that pork is one of the things you don't feed to > your cats. > > Now, other than that it's not kosher (and then a concern if kitty is > Jewish), I'm curious, what is the reason for this? No reason whatsoever. > I've heard it said once that pork is one of the things you don't feed to > your cats. > > Now, other than that it's not kosher (and then a concern if kitty is > Jewish), I'm curious, what is the reason for this? Trichinosis, I believe. And it's only raw pork that is of concern, not well-cooked, human-consumable pork. All raw meat can have bacteria and stuff that isn't good for people, but most cats can handle it, from what I understand from my limited knowledge of BARF diets. Trichinosis, however, is a worm, not a bacteria, so the cat could get sick from it. http://www.foodreference.com/html/artporktrich.html Signature-- ~kaeli~ Persons disagreeing with facts are always emotional and employ faulty reasoning. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > I've heard it said once that pork is one of the things you don't feed to > your cats. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -- Anitra Frazier (from the book : The new natural cat) says that pork has fat globules so large that they clog up the cat's blood vessels. I don't know if that has been verified. Personally, I don't feed my pets pork mainly because it is impossible nowadays to actually get it free-range.. and I believe that an animal that has never breathed fresh air, never been in the sun or eaten grass from the ground, has been cooped up in a small space in a polluted & stressing indoor environment, can only give poor quality meat. Otherwise, cold cuts from pork are full of nitrates. Pork is out of my own diet for sure but I do cook it for my hub, and sometimes give small pieces to my cats as rare treats, like an occasional junk food ;-) Elaine >From: "ChakaShiva" chakashiva@yahoo.ca >Anitra Frazier (from the book : The new natural cat) says that pork has fat >globules so large that they clog up the cat's blood vessels. I don't know >if that has been verified. Interesting. I have her book but haven't really read through the diet section. >Personally, I don't feed my pets pork mainly >because it is impossible nowadays to actually get it free-range.. and I >believe that an animal that has never breathed fresh air, never been in the >sun or eaten grass from the ground, has been cooped up in a small space in a >polluted & stressing indoor environment, can only give poor quality meat. I've never fed pork to my cats. Like you, I like to get free range meat too, both for us and for the cats. Also, I've had it drummed into my head since childhood that raw pork has triganosis. Not sure if it's very common any more or not. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >I've never fed pork to my cats. Like you, I like to get free range meat too, >both for us and for the cats. Also, I've had it drummed into my head since >childhood that raw pork has triganosis. Not sure if it's very common any more >or not. Modern pork is much, much, much cleaner. It's no longer necessary to cook the daylights out of it, and trichanosis has pretty much been eradicated. My cats get raw and cooked pork all the time, with the blessing of their vet. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid > >I've never fed pork to my cats. Like you, I like to get free range meat too, > >both for us and for the cats. Also, I've had it drummed into my head since [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > much been eradicated. My cats get raw and cooked pork all the time, > with the blessing of their vet. yes and mine get pinkies too > Also, I've had it drummed into my head since > childhood that raw pork has triganosis. Not sure if it's very common any more > or not. Apparently it isn't. I know a while back my father actually had a 'medium well' pork chop for dinner, and he seems to have not developed trichinosis. SignatureDennis Carr - ke6isf@spamcop.net | I may be out of my mind, http://www.dennis.furtopia.org | But I have more fun that way. ------------------------------------+------------------------------- >From: "ChakaShiva" chakashiva@yahoo.ca >Personally, I don't feed my pets pork mainly >because it is impossible nowadays to actually get it free-range.. and I >believe that an animal that has never breathed fresh air, never been in the >sun or eaten grass from the ground, has been cooped up in a small space in a >polluted & stressing indoor environment, can only give poor quality meat. Oh brother. <rolling my eyes > >From: "ChakaShiva" chakashiva@yahoo.ca > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh brother. <rolling my eyes> Look in the mirror baby, you are what you eat. Do you like the taste of pig? >Look in the mirror baby, you are what you eat. Do you like the taste of >pig? I don't think it much matters whether the meat is free-range or not. >>Look in the mirror baby, you are what you eat. Do you like the taste of >>pig? > > I don't think it much matters whether the meat is free-range or not. As far as beef is concerned it is the difference between grass-fed cattle and grain-fed cattle. Most cattle are pastured until shortly before slaughter and then gathered in feedlots to be fattened up. The feedlot diet contains a lot of corn, which puts the weight on fast. Grass fed cattle have less marbling in the meat. I never heard the phrase free range cow before. As far as pork is concerned, if you let the pigs out you could never catch them. Pigs are smarter than that. circa Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:41:43 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, William Hamblen (william.hamblen@earthlink.net) said, > > I don't think it much matters whether the meat is free-range or not. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > range cow before. As far as pork is concerned, if you let the pigs > out you could never catch them. Pigs are smarter than that. Pigs are also omnivores and eat an astoundingly disgusting range of food, so it really doesn't matter if they're "free range" or not, if based on "you are what you eat". Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > >Look in the mirror baby, you are what you eat. Do you like the taste of > >pig? > > I don't think it much matters whether the meat is free-range or not. It does mattter, it permits the retailer to charge $1 a pound more for the same thing and allows naive individuals to feel better emotionally, which is apparently worth the extra $1 a pound. Never mind the nutrients are identical and have never been shown to be otherwise. The nutrients don't matter, only the emotionally based judgements of course. >>>Look in the mirror baby, you are what you eat. Do you like the taste of >>>pig? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > otherwise. The nutrients don't matter, only the emotionally based > judgements of course. And you at least know the animal had a somewhat humane existence for short amount of life it had. But I guess compassion isn't your strong suit, eh? >From: "Karen M." mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com >>>I don't think it much matters whether the meat is free-range or not. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >short amount of life it had. But I guess compassion isn't your strong >suit, eh? Doesn't "humane" suggest "human" conditions? Animals aren't humans and therefore why is it considered "humane" to foist an "unnatural" lifestyle on "wild" animals? Just thinking out loud, there...Consider what you just typed....Now on to my point-- There's no guarantee that "free-range" (what a euphenism!) animals have any better "quality" of life than other animals. If you are so compassionate, then why don't you sponsor a hungry child/family? Do something to make the world a better place. Buying free-range meat isn't it! As for compassion....Karen, it doesn't appear to be YOUR strong suit judging from the language and temperment you've used here before. Dec 2003: > .Now on to my point-- No one cares what you think. SignatureCheryl "I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do." - Helen Keller >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com >> .Now on to my point-- > >No one cares what you think. Obviously you do, or you wouldn't have taken the time and effort to respond. ;0 Where's your Chrismas spirit? 26 Dec 2003: >>From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Obviously you do, or you wouldn't have taken the time and effort to > respond. ;0 Obviously I don't, or I wouldn't have snipped the worthless sh.t you typed. SignatureCheryl "I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do." - Helen Keller >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com >>>> .Now on to my point-- >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Obviously I don't, or I wouldn't have snipped the worthless sh.t you typed. It was a rhetorical question, obviously. How come you are always so grouchy? (not a rhetorical question, btw)...... Dec 2003: > How come you are always so grouchy? Only with you, and the reason is simple. From what I read of you I just don't like you. All you are reading this group for is to interject your inane and flaming comments about what people feed their pets. You apparently don't read other threads. Oh that's right, they didn't have Hills mentioned in them. SignatureCheryl "I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do." - Helen Keller >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com >> How come you are always so grouchy? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >apparently don't read other threads. Oh that's right, they didn't have >Hills mentioned in them. Cheryl, you are sooo far off base; you don't know what you're talking about. First, I've seen you rude and nasty to others...not just me. That's why I asked the question. Second, you have no idea why I read this ng and apparently have forgotten (or haven't read) other posts that I've made that have nothing to do with what people feed their pets. Thirdly, yes I do read "other" threads (not sure what you mean by that). Just because you don't agree w/ my opinion doesn't validate any of your erroneous beliefs about me. If you don't like me, then killfile me. Problem solved, and you can go back to being one of the shiny, happy people! ;) Not to mention, that you really didn't have to reply to my post (which had nothing to do w/ Hill's or w/ what other people feed their pets frankly) in the first place, yet you did anyhow. Apparently you have little self-control for your hatred and anger? Why don't you go monitor somebody else for a change? 27 Dec 2003: > Not to mention, that you really didn't have to reply to my post (which > had nothing to do w/ Hill's or w/ what other people feed their pets > frankly) in the first place, yet you did anyhow. You wrote me, I wrote you back. That is how this thing works. SignatureCheryl "I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do." - Helen Keller >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com >> Not to mention, that you really didn't have to reply to my post (which >> had nothing to do w/ Hill's or w/ what other people feed their pets >> frankly) in the first place, yet you did anyhow. > >You wrote me, I wrote you back. That is how this thing works. No kidding. Actually I never directed a post your way to begin with, so you're wrong again. 28 Dec 2003: >>From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No kidding. Actually I never directed a post your way to begin with, > so you're wrong again. No, *you're* wrong. You asked me why I was grouchy and I told you. What a memory you have. lol SignatureCheryl "I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do." - Helen Keller >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com We're going in circles here. Did I direct my response in any shape, matter, or fashion to YOU in the first place? NO, I did NOT. You responded to ME w/ one of your typically grouchy, sniping posts. Originally I expressed my doubt that "free range" (who ever came up w/ that term in the first place?) meats were any "better" for a person to begin with and then, here you come. You tried to paint me as a troll and then when I shot down your false allegations, you had nothing to say of substance after that. >>>> Not to mention, that you really didn't have to reply to my post >>>> (which had nothing to do w/ Hill's or w/ what other people feed [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> No kidding. Actually I never directed a post your way to begin with, >> so you're wrong again. >No, *you're* wrong. You asked me why I was grouchy and I told you. What a >memory you have. lol Dec 2003: > We're going in circles here. Nice backpeddle. SignatureCheryl "I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do." - Helen Keller >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com >> We're going in circles here. > >Nice backpeddle. Geez, you're dense, aren't you? If that's all you have to say, then I'll assume that's the best apology I'll get from you. Dec 2003: > Geez, you're dense, aren't you? Nope. Nada. Coming from you this means... um.. absolutely NOTHING. lol If that's all you have to say, then I'll > assume that's the best apology I'll get from you. Heh. That certainly wasn't even close to one. More like ridicule. SignatureCheryl "I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do." - Helen Keller >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com >> Geez, you're dense, aren't you? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Heh. That certainly wasn't even close to one. More like ridicule. Are you even following your own comments? You're exhibiting troll behavior based on Lauren's definition. Your arguments are completely w/o merit as I've proven and now you're meandering off into WTF? territory. Dec 2003: > and now you're meandering off into WTF? territory. And yet you still have an obsessive need to keep replying. tsk tsk. lol Stay tuned, I am going to try something. SignatureCheryl "I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do." - Helen Keller > >From: "ChakaShiva" chakashiva@yahoo.ca > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh brother. <rolling my eyes> Have a steak or chicken from one of those places. Then have some organic from Whole Foods or something. They taste totally different. I only eat free-range meat now because after having it, the other stuff sucks. Especially the beef. What a difference! I don't like pork, so I can't comment on that kind. My Mom had some from Whole Foods to try one time when I was over. They haven't gotten anything else since. Neither have I. Costs more, but very worth it. Signature-- ~kaeli~ No one is listening until you make a mistake. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace >From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net >> >From: "ChakaShiva" chakashiva@yahoo.ca >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >haven't gotten anything else since. Neither have I. Costs more, but very >worth it. I quite agree, Kaeli. I buy most of my meat from Whole Foods, or another health food market in the area. I think it is definitely better. Do you have a Trader Joe's in your area? Some of the meat they carry is free range, although I'm not sure if all is. I like the frozen lamb from New Zealand that is pre-marinated. Yummy! Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > I quite agree, Kaeli. I buy most of my meat from Whole Foods, or another > health food market in the area. I think it is definitely better. Do you have > a Trader Joe's in your area? Some of the meat they carry is free range, > although I'm not sure if all is. I like the frozen lamb from New Zealand that > is pre-marinated. Yummy! I'm not much of a meat-eater, sticking pretty much to chicken and certain cuts of beef once to twice a week (and I won't prepare any of it except ground beef), but my parents love the stuff. We do have a Trader Joe's - I'll have to tell them about the lamb. I get the squickies when I touch any raw meat except for ground beef, so I eat it at my parents' house more than anything else. My culinary skills make it a miracle for me to make tacos. *heh* Signature-- ~kaeli~ Every calendar's days are numbered. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace >From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net >> I quite agree, Kaeli. I buy most of my meat from Whole Foods, or another >> health food market in the area. I think it is definitely better. Do you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >except ground beef), but my parents love the stuff. We do have a Trader >Joe's - I'll have to tell them about the lamb. We're not big meat eaters either. I'd say we have it about once or twice a week. But that lamb is awesome. tell your parents it's in the frozen section and it's like a rack of lamb, that is marinated with stuff like rosemary . >I get the squickies when I touch any raw meat except for ground beef, so >I eat it at my parents' house more than anything else. My culinary >skills make it a miracle for me to make tacos. *heh* LOL, well I wear rubber gloves when I handle the raw meat :) Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Lauren >________ Oh, I love Trader Joes. Those little chops are killers. I tried some of their cat food. Oops, the boys tried some of their cat food. I think they have three varieties. Not a big hit. Probably means they're healthy. >From: dgk sonicechoes-spamless@hot-nospamp-mail.com >>>From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >think they have three varieties. Not a big hit. Probably means they're >healthy. I was told they don't always have the marinated lamb chops but so far our local Trader Joe's has been carrying them. I looked briefly at their cat food once and I don't think your kitties are missing anything as it didn't look that great to me. Their people food is good though. I don't know if you like sherbet, but their mango tangerine sorbet is highly addicting :) Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>Oh, I love Trader Joes. Those little chops are killers. I tried some >>of their cat food. Oops, the boys tried some of their cat food. I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Lauren >________ I'll make sure to get some. I love mangos but they are just such a mess to deal with. This way is better. >From: dgk sonicechoes-spamless@hot-nospamp-mail.com >I don't know if you like sherbet, but their mango tangerine sorbet is >>highly addicting :) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I'll make sure to get some. I love mangos but they are just such a >mess to deal with. This way is better. Let me know what you think of it. I think they have it in lemon flavor too, but I love the mango. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>From: dgk sonicechoes-spamless@hot-nospamp-mail.com > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html >Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm Going to be a while. We were just there last week and the freezer is full. >From: dgk sonicechoes-spamless@hot-nospamp-mail.com >>>From: dgk sonicechoes-spamless@hot-nospamp-mail.com >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Going to be a while. We were just there last week and the freezer is >full. LOL, I can relate :) I just went there yesterday and stocked up, especially with those lamb racks. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > I've heard it said once that pork is one of the things you don't feed to > your cats. > > Now, other than that it's not kosher (and then a concern if kitty is > Jewish), I'm curious, what is the reason for this? Pork is OK. Cured meats like ham aren't because of the excess salt and so on.
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