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cat w/cancer:need thoughts, please!

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auk7 - 16 Dec 2003 00:14 GMT
Hi, all,
I've been lurking here for a while, and now I desperately need some
others' input.  I have five cats total, four of them over 14.  Cassie,
the 17 year old, went off her food briefly and when I took her to the
vet, we also realized that her breathing was very shallow, and she
occasionally "coughs".  Did full blood workup; all fine except for
high eosinophil (sp?) levels.  X-rayed.  Discovered cancer in her
lungs and probably spleen; heart and diaphragm almost not even
visible.  I don't plan to treat it--IMHO, that would be cruel in a 17
year old where it is so advanced. Vet said it's fast growing; she went
from 13 lbs to 9 in less than a year. Still, she doesn't seem terribly
uncomfortable, is back to eating & drinking & even using scratching
post; bladder & bowel habits normal, though she still is breathing
shallowly.  I have her on prednisone to make her more comfortable
while I agonize. My choices are euthanization or letting nature take
its course, but, of course, I don't want her to suffer. I know that in
this group there is no dearth of varied opinions.  I'd like to hear as
many as possible to help me make the best decision for her.
Thanks,
Auk
Cat Protector - 16 Dec 2003 00:15 GMT
Have you gotten a second opinion just to be sure it is cancer?

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> Hi, all,
> I've been lurking here for a while, and now I desperately need some
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Thanks,
> Auk
Laura R. - 16 Dec 2003 02:21 GMT
circa Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:15:38 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said,
> Have you gotten a second opinion just to be sure it is cancer?

Oh, good god, shut UP, you illiterate fruit loop. Jeezus.

Laura
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Sherry - 16 Dec 2003 00:57 GMT
>Hi, all,
>I've been lurking here for a while, and now I desperately need some
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>Thanks,
>Auk

I'm very sorry to hear about your cat's diagnosis. It's tough to lose them when
you've had them so long.
Please understand this is just my opinion. But if it was my cat, I would just
make her as comfortable and happy as possible for her remaining quality time,
and euthanize her before she really starts suffering.. It's hard to know when a
cat is really in pain, but she should give you some clues. She may go off her
food, and she may start hiding. If she were doing those things,  and in
generally acting lethargic, I would think it's time. I wouldn't want keep her
until she is suffering terribly or in a crisis situation. Right now, from your
description, it sounds like she's relatively comfortable and still has a good
quality of life. . You'll just have to trust your own judgment, since no one
knows her like you do. I would also see if I could get the vet  to do a house
call for euthanasia. Good luck. I'm very sorry. Pleasse keep us posted.

Sherry
Gail - 16 Dec 2003 01:56 GMT
I agree with this poster. I would keep her as comfortable as possible and
when her quality of life diminished (ie stops eating, hides, etc), I would
have her euthanized.
gail
> Hi, all,
> I've been lurking here for a while, and now I desperately need some
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Thanks,
> Auk
kaeli - 16 Dec 2003 14:08 GMT
> I agree with this poster. I would keep her as comfortable as possible and
> when her quality of life diminished (ie stops eating, hides, etc), I would
> have her euthanized.
> gail

I'll add my agreement to this, as well as my condolences. It's really
hard to lose one of your friends.  :(

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Laura R. - 16 Dec 2003 02:20 GMT
circa 15 Dec 2003 16:14:01 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, auk7
(Auk72002@yahoo.com) said,
> Hi, all,
> I've been lurking here for a while, and now I desperately need some
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> this group there is no dearth of varied opinions.  I'd like to hear as
> many as possible to help me make the best decision for her.

Having lost a cat to cancer, and having followed the chemo route,
which was right for my cat and my situation, I can understand a lot
of what you're feeling. If I were in your shoes, I don't think I'd be
likely to go the chemo route, either. As far as whether/when to
euthanize, all I can say is that you'll know when it's time. The fact
that you're already agonizing over it tells me that you won't be one
of those people who holds on too long and makes the cat suffer as a
result. As long as she's seeming relatively normal, I'd let nature
take its course. There will likely come a day when she will no longer
be willing to fight any more, and you'll know when it comes. She's
over 17 years old, and unless you recently acquired her, you know her
well enough that you will just "know" when it's time to release her.
Until then, enjoy every moment you have with her. The two extra years
I had with my Alex meant more to me than I can express. When it came
time to let him go, I was ready, and so was he.

I am sorry that you have to go through this. Losing them is so very
hard.

Laura
m. L. Briggs - 16 Dec 2003 03:29 GMT
>circa 15 Dec 2003 16:14:01 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, auk7
>(Auk72002@yahoo.com) said,
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
>Laura
I heartily endorse Laura's answer.  I chose this route for my 16 year
old.
Mary - 16 Dec 2003 02:32 GMT
>Still, she doesn't seem terribly
>uncomfortable, is back to eating & drinking & even using scratching
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>this group there is no dearth of varied opinions.  I'd like to hear as
>many as possible to help me make the best decision for her.

I think your cat will tell you what she wants when the time comes. I personally
feel that as long as she's happy and comfortable, spoil her rotten. When she is
no longer enjoying life or in pain, have the vet come to your house to help her
go to sleep. Plan for what you will do when she is gone ahead of time, i.e.
bury her in her favorite spot in the garden? cremate and put in a little urn?
You'll be upset when she does pass so it's best to take care of the other
things ahead of time. I will keep you both in my prayers.
Cathy Friedmann - 16 Dec 2003 02:33 GMT
If it's advanced & treatment/chemo (which most cats tolerate very well)
wouldn't help Cassie, then what I'd do would be to...

strike a compromise: I'd let nature take its course w/ appropriate
treatment - the Prednisone, for ex. - to ease her symptoms.  But then when
it became evident that she was beginning to be in distress, would choose
euthanasia.

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> Hi, all,
> I've been lurking here for a while, and now I desperately need some
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Thanks,
> Auk
Laura R. - 16 Dec 2003 03:47 GMT
circa Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:33:51 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> treatment/chemo (which most cats tolerate very well)

I can second this. I'm not suggesting that it's the right course for
this cat, but cats can do remarkably well with chemo. Alex had two
extra *happy*, *quality* years because of chemotherapy, and I saw
more cats than I can count at his oncologist's who thrived, as well.
However, some forms of cancer are far more responsive than others,
and chemo is one helluva commitment of time and energy (the cost can
be surprisingly low once all of the testing is out of the way).

Pictures of my chemokitty, who crossed the bridge in August and whom
I still miss very much.

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http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=1006040

Laura
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Sherry - 16 Dec 2003 14:04 GMT
>Pictures of my chemokitty, who crossed the bridge in August and whom
>I still miss very much.

He was a handsome boy. I love cats with long muzzles like his. You miss him
like I miss Cherokee. Every day.

Sherry
Laura R. - 17 Dec 2003 05:52 GMT
circa 16 Dec 2003 14:04:21 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry
(sriddles@aol.comkitty) said,
> >Pictures of my chemokitty, who crossed the bridge in August and whom
> >I still miss very much.
>
> He was a handsome boy. I love cats with long muzzles like his. You miss him
> like I miss Cherokee. Every day.

Truly. He was one heckuva unique and utterly beautiful cat (kinda
ratty looking after he got sick, but I loved him still).

Laura
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Mary - 17 Dec 2003 12:01 GMT
"Laura R." <> Pictures of my chemokitty, who crossed the bridge in
August and whom
> I still miss very much.
>
> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=370271
> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=1006040

Alex looks like personality plus! I'm so sorry you had to lose him.

It seems you made the right decision. Two extra years is a long time.
It is good to know that treatment works this well sometimes. I hope it
is knowledge I never need to use, but it is good to know anyway.
Linda E - 18 Dec 2003 12:23 GMT
Laura, Alex was a beautiful cat.

> circa Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:33:51 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Laura
Laura R. - 19 Dec 2003 06:03 GMT
circa Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:23:52 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Linda E (LindaE@stny.rr.com) said,
> Laura, Alex was a beautiful cat.

Thank you. He really was astoundingly gorgeous in "person".

Laura
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PawsForThought - 16 Dec 2003 03:16 GMT
>From: Auk72002@yahoo.com  (auk7)

>I know that in
>this group there is no dearth of varied opinions.  I'd like to hear as
>many as possible to help me make the best decision for her.

I think when the quality of life isn't good anymore, then it's time to help our
furry friends by easing their suffering.  Quality of life meaning is she
eating, going to the bathroom normally, doing her everyday usual behaviors.

I'm very sorry to hear your kitty has cancer, Auk.

Lauren
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Laura R. - 16 Dec 2003 04:16 GMT
circa 15 Dec 2003 16:14:01 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, auk7
(Auk72002@yahoo.com) said,
>   I'd like to hear as
> many as possible to help me make the best decision for her.

P.S. Take lots of pictures. You'll be glad you did.

Laura
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LAL - 16 Dec 2003 15:33 GMT
> circa 15 Dec 2003 16:14:01 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, auk7
> (Auk72002@yahoo.com) said,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Laura

Most Excellent advice!!  May I also suggest a digital camera.  No film to
buy, no processing fees.  Snap away to your hearts content & download to the
computer when full.  Plus if you get pictures with just an ear or a tail,
just delete it.

lal
Wendy - 16 Dec 2003 12:45 GMT
So sorry about your poor Cassie.

I would agree with what others have already posted. Hang in there. There
will come a time when you know she's slipping away. As long as she still has
quality of life just enjoy her.

Wendy

Hi, all,
I've been lurking here for a while, and now I desperately need some
others' input.  I have five cats total, four of them over 14.  Cassie,
the 17 year old, went off her food briefly and when I took her to the
vet, we also realized that her breathing was very shallow, and she
occasionally "coughs".  Did full blood workup; all fine except for
high eosinophil (sp?) levels.  X-rayed.  Discovered cancer in her
lungs and probably spleen; heart and diaphragm almost not even
visible.  I don't plan to treat it--IMHO, that would be cruel in a 17
year old where it is so advanced. Vet said it's fast growing; she went
from 13 lbs to 9 in less than a year. Still, she doesn't seem terribly
uncomfortable, is back to eating & drinking & even using scratching
post; bladder & bowel habits normal, though she still is breathing
shallowly.  I have her on prednisone to make her more comfortable
while I agonize. My choices are euthanization or letting nature take
its course, but, of course, I don't want her to suffer. I know that in
this group there is no dearth of varied opinions.  I'd like to hear as
many as possible to help me make the best decision for her.
Thanks,
Auk
Sharon Talbert - 18 Dec 2003 20:58 GMT
This is where a good vet is your best partner, in deciding when it's time
to let her go.

Another way (though this may sound odd) is to take photos at regular
intervals.  You will see it in her eyes when it is time...

Meanwhile, enjoy her.  I only wish my Shira had lived to be 17.

Sharon Talbert
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