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Tiggy's Vet Appt.

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Wendy - 13 Dec 2003 17:01 GMT
Just got back from the vet. Preliminarily her problem looks to be from her
arthritis which has spread since last spring. The vet took blood for a full
body scan and I'll have the results on that monday or tuesday. They also did
an x-ray and all the organs appear normal and healthy. However, her
arthritis has spread to the spine and is quite apparent on the x-ray.

The vet said the Prednisolone is adding to the peeing problem as it makes
her drink more and therefore pee more.

She has lost more weight. She's down 1/2 lb. since Thursday a week. She has
been eating all of her food most days so I didn't think she had cut back
enough to lose that much weight that quickly. If there is something else
brewing hopefully that will show up in the blood test results.

They said we could try acupuncture. Has anyone else had any experience with
this? Just wondering how effective it would be for long term pain relief.

Wendy
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 13 Dec 2003 19:50 GMT
> They said we could try acupuncture. Has anyone else had any experience with
> this? Just wondering how effective it would be for long term pain relief.
>
> Wendy

I've only experienced human acupuncture, and it I would highly recommend it.
It accomplished in 1 month what couldn't be accomplished in 3 months of
physiotherapy (I had severe tennis elbow in both my elbows and acupuncture
brought the pain down substantially in just a month).  Tiggy might need
frequent treatments at first (once or twice a week, depending on how bad it
is), but then she can probably reduce the number of treatments to once a
month, then once every other month, etc.  Because arthritis is chronic, she
will probably need treatments for the rest of her life, but once her pain is
managed those treatments will be infrequent.

You might also want to try massage therapy for her.  If you're lucky the
therapist will teach you some of the techniques so you can massage her on
your own.

rona

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Dennis Carr - 13 Dec 2003 22:01 GMT
> They said we could try acupuncture. Has anyone else had any experience with
> this? Just wondering how effective it would be for long term pain relief.

Wendy, just a thought, perhaps homeopathic remedies could be an option?  I
only ask this because years ago I worked for a company down the road that
sold an 'all around' remedy for arthritis, and oddly enough, we had a lot
of repeat customers.

Granted the OTC stuff for humans is *way* out of the question (it would
probably be toxic to the cat), but perhaps you can find somebody that'll
do that for the cat.

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PawsForThought - 14 Dec 2003 20:05 GMT
>From: Dennis Carr ke6isf@spamcop.net

>> They said we could try acupuncture. Has anyone else had any experience with
>> this? Just wondering how effective it would be for long term pain relief.
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>probably be toxic to the cat), but perhaps you can find somebody that'll
>do that for the cat.

If you live in the U.S., you might want to check out www.altvetmed.com to find
a vet who is certified in homeopathy, or one who does accupuncture.  

Good luck,
Lauren
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Karen - 13 Dec 2003 22:31 GMT
> Just got back from the vet. Preliminarily her problem looks to be from her
> arthritis which has spread since last spring. The vet took blood for a full
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>
> Wendy

Did they also suggest a glucosimine chondroitin additive to her food? It
really does seem to help. If she is a calm cat that the acupuncture wouldn't
bother her, it might worth a try, but I definitely would ask about the
additive.

Karen
Wendy - 13 Dec 2003 23:35 GMT
in article 7uSdnalvprtt2Eai4p2dnA@comcast.com, Wendy at wendypart@nospam.com
wrote on 12/13/03 11:01 AM:

> Just got back from the vet. Preliminarily her problem looks to be from her
> arthritis which has spread since last spring. The vet took blood for a full
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Wendy

Did they also suggest a glucosimine chondroitin additive to her food? It
really does seem to help. If she is a calm cat that the acupuncture wouldn't
bother her, it might worth a try, but I definitely would ask about the
additive.

Karen

She's been on Glucosimine Chondroitin (Cosequin) for a little over a week It
seemed to be helping (she started grooming herself again) until yesterday.
We had a weather front coming through so that may have been what set her
off. She's getting around today but not well although she did "jump" up in
the chair with me on her own a little while ago.

I wouldn't call her a calm cat. Not with strangers at least. She is with me
and will let me do anything to her but doesn't trust others easily ever
since she got shot with a pellet gun when she was really young. She's
mellowed some over the last few years and does let people pet her if she's
seen them around for a while. Do they need a lot of cooperation from her to
do the acupuncture?

Wendy

W
Karen - 14 Dec 2003 01:10 GMT
> in article 7uSdnalvprtt2Eai4p2dnA@comcast.com, Wendy at wendypart@nospam.com
> wrote on 12/13/03 11:01 AM:
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> off. She's getting around today but not well although she did "jump" up in
> the chair with me on her own a little while ago.

It can take up to 8 weeks to see the real benefit of GC. Just make sure you
give it daily. Maybe there was extra damp in the air. You might try getting
a heated pad or a microwave heated desk to put in her bed or where she likes
to lay most. Check Dr.s Foster and Smith website.

> I wouldn't call her a calm cat. Not with strangers at least. She is with me
> and will let me do anything to her but doesn't trust others easily ever
> since she got shot with a pellet gun when she was really young. She's
> mellowed some over the last few years and does let people pet her if she's
> seen them around for a while. Do they need a lot of cooperation from her to
> do the acupuncture?

Well, I would assume so anyway. I know that lots of dog owners seem to think
it helps a lot. Don't know about cats.

Karen
> Wendy
>
> W
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 14 Dec 2003 01:13 GMT
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> I wouldn't call her a calm cat. Not with strangers at least. She is with me
> and will let me do anything to her but doesn't trust others easily ever
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>
> W

I would imagine they might.  She would have to be at least a little still in
order to get the needles in.  If you have a pet acupuncturist in your area,
maybe you could call for a consultation.  They might be willing to come to
your home to do it, if it would make it easier for Tiggy.  I've talked to
other people who have used acupuncture, and their acupuncturists taught them
how to use the needles so they could do it themselves should they need to.
That might be another option for you, should the acupuncturist be willing.

rona

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Paulette - 14 Dec 2003 02:53 GMT
Since there is no cure for arthritis, I would think the side effects and
kidney problems from prolonged pred usage could be a large part of her
problem. Is your vet a feline spcialist? Is there a veterinary college
anywhere near you?  Just a thought.  Hoping for a good outcome.
Paulette
Wendy - 14 Dec 2003 15:43 GMT
She doesn't get the Prednisolone every day. I only give it to her when she
is having trouble getting around at all. The GC she gets daily. That stuff
can also suppress her immune system so I give it to her as sparingly as
possible.

Since there is no cure for arthritis, I would think the side effects and
kidney problems from prolonged pred usage could be a large part of her
problem. Is your vet a feline spcialist? Is there a veterinary college
anywhere near you?  Just a thought.  Hoping for a good outcome.
Paulette
Karen - 14 Dec 2003 18:20 GMT
> She doesn't get the Prednisolone every day. I only give it to her when she
> is having trouble getting around at all. The GC she gets daily. That stuff
> can also suppress her immune system so I give it to her as sparingly as
> possible.

Hmm. I have *never* heard that GC supresses the immune system. Do you have
sources?

Karen
Wendy - 14 Dec 2003 19:57 GMT
in article -eydnY0ktIeaGEGi4p2dnA@comcast.com, Wendy at wendypart@nospam.com
wrote on 12/14/03 9:43 AM:

> She doesn't get the Prednisolone every day. I only give it to her when she
> is having trouble getting around at all. The GC she gets daily. That stuff
> can also suppress her immune system so I give it to her as sparingly as
> possible.

Hmm. I have *never* heard that GC supresses the immune system. Do you have
sources?

Karen

Sorry I wasn't clear. She's on the GC every day. That stuff has no negative
side effects as far as I can tell.

The Prednisolone can suppress the immune system as well as having liver
implications if taken over a period of time.

I've heard of steroid use to suppress the immune system in people as well.

Wendy
Karen - 14 Dec 2003 23:34 GMT
> in article -eydnY0ktIeaGEGi4p2dnA@comcast.com, Wendy at wendypart@nospam.com
> wrote on 12/14/03 9:43 AM:
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>
> Wendy

Gotcha. Sounded like someone told you GC can *also* supress. Thanks.

Karen
 
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