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One Person. One Cat. Clipping Tips?

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James Messick - 11 Dec 2003 21:36 GMT
This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
hauling him to the vets. Any strategie for a lone person who want to cut
his pet's toenaild? Thanks.

James
Caliban - 11 Dec 2003 22:06 GMT
I sneak up on mine while he's in deep slumber and usually get at least three
claws snipped this way.

He's in a sleepy state and looks at me like, "Huh? Wha? Oh well, just finish and
let me go back to sleep."

But I've got fifteen seconds to do the clipping, tops. :-)

> This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
> comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
> hauling him to the vets. Any strategie for a lone person who want to cut
> his pet's toenaild? Thanks.
>
> James
PawsForThought - 11 Dec 2003 22:18 GMT
>From: "Caliban" caliban03nospam@earthlink.net

>I sneak up on mine while he's in deep slumber and usually get at least three
>claws snipped this way.
>
>He's in a sleepy state and looks at me like, "Huh? Wha? Oh well, just finish
>and
>let me go back to sleep."

Good idea.  You might also want to wrap the cat in a towel, burrito like.  They
also sell a type of nylon bag where you can extend one paw at a time for
trimming called the Klaw Kontrol Bag.  I believe they have it at
www.drsfostersmith.com.

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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 11 Dec 2003 23:00 GMT
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> They
> also sell a type of nylon bag where you can extend one paw at a time for
> trimming called the Klaw Kontrol Bag.  I believe they have it at
> www.drsfostersmith.com.

I have one of those and the zipper split the first or second time I used it.
I wrote to the company that made it and asked if they would be willing to
replace it or have it fixed, especially since it was new.  They said
something like, "We've never had that problem before, and since you've used
the bag we won't take it back.  We're not going to do anything about it."  I
was unimpressed (having worked in customer service, I am very sensitive
about customer relations and companies that (don't) stand by their
products).

As for the bag itself, if the bag is on the big side for your cat, s/he'll
still be able to squirm enough so that it will be difficult to clip her/his
nails since s/he'll be able to pull his/her claws in and out of the armhole.
If the bag is just the right size, there's a chance the zipper will split if
s/he squirms a lot (as is what happened in my case).  Plus there's the
difficulty of getting your cat in the bag.

My advice on the bag is, don't waste your money.  Go with the towel.  It'll
be cheaper and less hassle in the long run.

rona

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Mary - 12 Dec 2003 00:01 GMT
> "PawsForThought" <darnit7@aol.comnolitter>

> My advice on the bag is, don't waste your money.  Go with the towel.  It'll
> be cheaper and less hassle in the long run.

From looking at it, I would have to agree. The biggest drawback is
that the cat can still bite you. For cutting Buddha's nails we have to
wrap her in a towel, and position one hand in such a way that she
can't turn her head and bite the trimmer or me.
PawsForThought - 12 Dec 2003 00:16 GMT
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>> They
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>something like, "We've never had that problem before, and since you've used
>the bag we won't take it back.  We're not going to do anything about it."

Wow, that's really lousy of them!

I
>was unimpressed (having worked in customer service, I am very sensitive
>about customer relations and companies that (don't) stand by their
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>s/he squirms a lot (as is what happened in my case).  Plus there's the
>difficulty of getting your cat in the bag.

Mmm...well I never used one.  They looked cool though.  Oh well, guess it's the
towel then.  I used a towel for one of my cats when she was young.  Now I can
just sit her on my lap and clip her nails, while she purrs the whole time.

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James Messick - 13 Dec 2003 03:43 GMT
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>
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>
> rona

Thanks for thte work on the Klaw Kontrol. I guess the cat's out of the bag!

James (Running and Ducking)
Mary - 11 Dec 2003 23:58 GMT
 They
> also sell a type of nylon bag where you can extend one paw at a time for
> trimming called the Klaw Kontrol Bag.  I believe they have it at
> www.drsfostersmith.com.

What a great site!
PawsForThought - 12 Dec 2003 00:18 GMT
>From: "Mary" rosefan@email.com

>  They
>> also sell a type of nylon bag where you can extend one paw at a time
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>>
>What a great site!

They do have some nice stuff.  We got our first cat tree from them and almost 4
years later, it's still in good condition.  They seem to have pretty good
customer service too.
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James Messick - 13 Dec 2003 03:40 GMT
>>From: "Caliban" caliban03nospam@earthlink.net
>
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> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

This is sounding more like what Inky requires. :-)
Mary - 11 Dec 2003 22:11 GMT
> This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
> comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
> hauling him to the vets. Any strategie for a lone person who want to cut
> his pet's toenaild? Thanks.
>
> James

Duct tape?  ;)  JUST KIDDING!!

But seriously, I would not attempt to cut my cat's claws
alone. One is strong and wriggles away, and the other scratches
and bites.
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 11 Dec 2003 22:30 GMT
> This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
> comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
> hauling him to the vets. Any strategie for a lone person who want to cut
> his pet's toenaild? Thanks.
>
> James

My cat is very uncooperative, too.  I have to wrap her in a thick blanket
(towels just don't cut it) and for me, it's extremely important that I have
her hind legs and the paw not being clipped securely wrapped.  I almost
swaddle her in the blanket so she can't squirm free.  I also found that the
longer I wait between clippings, the more she squirms.  If I clip her nails
every other week, she gets a little used to it and doesn't struggle quite so
much.  But if I wait a month between clippings, she squirms as though I'm
torturing her.  I am also prepared to only have a few nails clipped at a
time.  Sometimes I can do an entire paw, but if I only get 2 or 3 in one
sitting, I'm pretty happy.

I should also mention that I don't even bother with her back claws.  There's
really no points, especially since there's no way she'd let me cut them.

rona
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James Messick - 13 Dec 2003 03:41 GMT
>>This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
>>comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
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>
> rona

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Iain & Deb - 11 Dec 2003 22:45 GMT
> This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
> comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
> hauling him to the vets. Any strategie for a lone person who want to cut
> his pet's toenaild? Thanks.
>
> James

I find the most important thing is patience; I usually try to do it when
they're curled up sleeping and don't react right away if I pick up a paw.  
Then, I'll do only as many claws as they seem to want to allow -
sometimes only one or maybe two.  If they recoil or seem upset in any
way, I quit and leave it for later.  Then I'll go back and try to do
another.  Over time, they get more used to it.

It's a good idea to get them used to having their paws handled a bit.  
When they're sitting beside me or on my lap, I rest their paw in my hand,
and let them remove it as they wish.  This way they don't become afraid
of my holding their paws.

Deb
Meghan - 12 Dec 2003 00:23 GMT
Ah, aside from starting when they're very young and getting them used to
it... (this isn't always your option if you get an older cat).

I have found that as long as my cats are allowed to have their 3 other paws
on something (couch table etc.) and NOT wrapped, they're ok.  I have the
kind of cats who get REALLY nervous when they're picked up or held against
their will.  So I position them on the couch, all 4 paws down as though they
were just sitting there, and then I get right next to them, come from behind
and talk to them very reassuringly during the entire process.  I think it's
just a style you have to develop depending on your cat.  It's trial and
error for a while!

Meghan

> This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
> comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
> hauling him to the vets. Any strategie for a lone person who want to cut
> his pet's toenaild? Thanks.
>
> James
kaeli - 12 Dec 2003 15:03 GMT
> This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
> comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
> hauling him to the vets. Any strategie for a lone person who want to cut
> his pet's toenaild? Thanks.
>
> James

Behavior modification.  :)

1. Find something he LOVES. Touch his paw, then give him that treat.
Then leave him alone. Do this 5 times a day for a week. If by then he
wants you to touch his paw because he gets that treat, go to step 2. If
not, keep going until he wants you to touch the paw.

2. Same as #1, but hold the paw for 1 second. Work up to 5 seconds.

3. In with the clippers. Touch the paw as though you were going to clip,
putting slight pressure on the toe to expose the nail, but don't clip
it. Treat and let go.

4. Clip one nail.

5. Work up to clipping a whole paw, then two paws...until all paws can
be clipped.

Takes a long time, but you get a cat that looks forward to nail clipping
time.  *G*

Do not have the vet clip his nails in the meantime if that's a
possibility for you, because he'll get that pissed off feeling about
having his paws handled all over again. That can set you back if your
cat doesn't distinguish between the vet handling him and you handling
him.
This may not be an option for you if you trim his nails to keep him from
hurting the furniture or some such, but it's something to think about.

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Joe Pitt - 12 Dec 2003 21:29 GMT
I  invite a friend over to help. I have one who has to be scruffed and
Aragorn, my Siberian, purrs and licks my hand while I clip his. Talk about
extremes.

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> This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
> comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
> hauling him to the vets. Any strategie for a lone person who want to cut
> his pet's toenaild? Thanks.
>
> James
GovtLawyer - 19 Dec 2003 01:55 GMT
>This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
>comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
>hauling him to the vets. Any strategie for a lone person who want to cut
>his pet's toenaild? Thanks.

Sounds like my two Snowshoe Siamese kittys, 10 months.  I've tried to ease them
into nail clipping since they were 3 months old, to no avail. The female is a
terror and the male just darned uncooperative.  I can clip one or two of either
cat if I get them in a trance like state, but that's about it.  Usually when
they are zoned out I can get a rear paw, but the front ones are my real target.
Funny, but like you I never had a problem with any other cat, and I''ve had 5
others over 28 years.

So, I bought a contraption like the one others have mentioned.  It is called
the Cat Sack, and it is similar to the one earlier described.  Go to KVee Vets,
or something like that on the web. (Or plug "cat Sack" into google and you'll
find several vendors)  They both fight getting into it, although the male is
easily tricked, time and again, by my opening the paw zippers and poking my
fingers through.  He immediately jumps at it, and practically gets into the
sack himself.  I then have to literally wrestle him until I can close the
velcro collar and zip him up.  Once he is in, I pull out one paw at a time and
clip.  He cries, but it only takes a minute and then I let him out until the
next session two weeks later.  It is also a good time to give him ear mite
medicine.

The female is more wary, and doesn't fall for the poking fingers trick.  I lay
the sack on the couch and leave it there.  When I see she is close enough I
wrestle her into the bag.  She is a strong little tyke and very determined;
however, I'm bigger than her and more determined.  Occasionally I get her half
in and she gets away.  Once in, she is surprisingly docile and resigned to her
fate.  She cries, but stops struggling. I quickly do the deed and let her out.

I'm amazed that I have to go through this routine with these two as I always
clipped my other cats nails.  I'm resigned to the fact that we'll just have to
have this ordeal every few weeks for as long as I can see.  However, once we do
get through it, their nails are nicely trimmed and my back is protected from
the male jumping on it from his cat tree while I'm computing.  It also protects
me from the female as she tries to poke her paw through the slot made by my two
legs when I cross them.  There is nothing there, but it turns her on so I let
her do it.
Cat Protector - 19 Dec 2003 01:58 GMT
I use the sneak attack approach and try to get them when they are sleeping
or deep at rest. I end up getting a few at a time but in the end they all
get clipped.

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> This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
> comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
> hauling him to the vets. Any strategie for a lone person who want to cut
> his pet's toenaild? Thanks.
>
> James
Marek Williams - 20 Dec 2003 07:01 GMT
>This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
>comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
>hauling him to the vets. Any strategie for a lone person who want to cut
>his pet's toenaild? Thanks.

From the responses, evidently a lot of people trim their cat's nails.
What is the purpose of this?

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Wendy - 20 Dec 2003 14:59 GMT
Clipping the nails keeps the ends blunt. If they do scratch something
(including people)  it's less likely to do damage. If the nails get too long
they can protrude all the time and get snagged in the carpeting etc. If they
get long enough they can curve around and grow into the pad.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:36:06 GMT, James Messick
<jmessick@triad.rr.com> dijo:

>This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
>comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
>hauling him to the vets. Any strategie for a lone person who want to cut
>his pet's toenaild? Thanks.

From the responses, evidently a lot of people trim their cat's nails.
What is the purpose of this?

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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 20 Dec 2003 16:17 GMT
> From the responses, evidently a lot of people trim their cat's nails.
> What is the purpose of this?

I do it mostly out of self-preservation.  It hurts like he** when she kneads
me with long nails!

I clipped my cat's nails last night and I got all 10 in one sitting and it
took less than 5 minutes!  That's a record for me!  I think giving her
catnip shortly before might have helped :-).

rona

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Wendy - 20 Dec 2003 20:03 GMT
I guess I must be lucky. I've never had a problem clipping any of my cats
nails all at once. They may have protested a little the first time but after
that pretty much just sit there and wait for it all to be over. I've always
played with their paws a lot too so maybe they get used to the paws being
handled.

W

> From the responses, evidently a lot of people trim their cat's nails.
> What is the purpose of this?

I do it mostly out of self-preservation.  It hurts like he** when she kneads
me with long nails!

I clipped my cat's nails last night and I got all 10 in one sitting and it
took less than 5 minutes!  That's a record for me!  I think giving her
catnip shortly before might have helped :-).

rona

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~*SooZy*~ - 21 Dec 2003 17:28 GMT
> > From the responses, evidently a lot of people trim their cat's nails.
> > What is the purpose of this?
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>
> rona

good idea using catnip first Rona!
I clipped 162 nails not sure how long it took me, but it was pretty easy all
but one kitten, maybe it was too wide awake.
I normally do it when my cats are asleep ;-)

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William Hamblen - 20 Dec 2003 17:41 GMT
> From the responses, evidently a lot of people trim their cat's nails.
> What is the purpose of this?

Less scratching.  As the claws grow they trigger the sharpen the claws
behavior.  Trimming the claws lessens the urge to scratch on furniture
and rugs.  Plus blunt claws are less painful when the cat decides to
use your leg as a launching pad.
Laura R. - 20 Dec 2003 20:07 GMT
circa Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:01:02 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Marek Williams (abc@example.com) said,

> >This cat, unlike other's I've had, is "extremely uncooperative" when it
> >comes to toenail clipping (his, not mine). I prefer not to have to keep
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> From the responses, evidently a lot of people trim their cat's nails.
> What is the purpose of this?

Cat's claws can grow so long that they grow into the bottoms of the
cat's paw pads, for one thing. For another, they hurt when kitty is
playing if they're not trimmed.

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Marek Williams - 23 Dec 2003 02:10 GMT
>> From the responses, evidently a lot of people trim their cat's nails.
>> What is the purpose of this?

>Cat's claws can grow so long that they grow into the bottoms of the
>cat's paw pads, for one thing. For another, they hurt when kitty is
>playing if they're not trimmed.

I guess the reason I asked is because I have had a lot of cats over
the years and none of them ever had a problem with their claws, nor
did I ever trim them. They were all indoor/outdoor cats, so they had
plenty of access to trees and other things to scratch on. My current
cat scratches on an indoor scratching post I built for him, as well as
things outdoors. He never scratches on furniture, nor have any of my
other cats.

It just seems to me that letting them scratch naturally should take
care of their claws so they don't get too long. Sure, that makes them
sharp, so occasionally I get a little scratch. But that's their
defense mechanism, so I'd rather they keep their nails razor sharp.
Besides, my cat loves to launch himself up a tree to show off for me.

So if my cat is indoor/outdoor and scratches on trees and his wooden
scratching post, am I correct in thinking that trimming his claws is
unnecessary?

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kaeli - 23 Dec 2003 13:33 GMT
> So if my cat is indoor/outdoor and scratches on trees and his wooden
> scratching post, am I correct in thinking that trimming his claws is
> unnecessary?

If his claws don't bother you or him, nope, you don't need to.
Trimming is to keep indoor cats from having the claws become ingrown
from looping around or to keep the owner's flesh or furniture intact. If
you don't have any of those problems, your kitty should be fine. Do
check regularly to be sure they are okay, though.
Now, a word of caution - my Aunt had cats that went in the yard and
climbed trees. They never needed clipping...until they got old. When
they got older, about 17 or so, they stopped climbing trees enough to
keep their rear claws nice. The rear claws began to grow around and
deformed. She caught it before they punctured the pads, but it could
have been bad.

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