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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / December 2003Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?
Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes over you. I did a Google image search, and there she was! Am I correct in recalling that Ragdolls have soft, thick fur, large frames, gentle dispositions, and "Siamese-type" coloring? I do remember that they are bred for that "going limp" characteristic. >Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be >a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >frames, gentle dispositions, and "Siamese-type" coloring? I do >remember that they are bred for that "going limp" characteristic. Other cats may "go limp" when picked up too, like some Birmans do. Birmans have similar coloring as well, so that's another possibility. Does the cat have four white mittens? > >Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be > >a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > similar coloring as well, so that's another possibility. Does the cat have four > white mittens? No, her feet are dark, dark brown fading to splotches that look like "Cookies and Cream" ice cream, as is her face. I looked at Birmans but they all had longer hair. This cat's hair is super soft and fuzzy, very very thick, but not long. I mean, not sleek like a DSH--but not long. And she has a big, rounded head and round very blue, very crossed eyes. I think when she fills out her normal weight might be in the 12-13 pound range when SLIM. She is a big-boned baby, and so laid back. > > >Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might > be [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "Cookies and Cream" ice cream, as is her face. I looked at Birmans but > they all had longer hair. Ragdolls are semi long haired, but one of mine has short hair the other long haired. This cat's hair is super soft and fuzzy, > very very thick, but not long. I mean, not sleek like a DSH--but not > long. And she has a big, rounded head and round very blue, very > crossed eyes. I think when she fills out her normal weight might be in > the 12-13 pound range when SLIM. She is a big-boned baby, and so laid > back. does your neighbour not know what she is? "~*SooZy*~" <soozyquereshi@cathotmail.com> wrote in message > does your neighbour not know what she is? She just adopted her from the pound, she was to be euthanized this week, so, no, she doesn't have any way of knowing. I offered her my guess last night and have been sharing all advice and thoughts here with her today. >"~*SooZy*~" <soozyquereshi@cathotmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >guess last night and have been sharing all advice and thoughts here >with her today. In that case, most likely she is a mixed breed domestic shorthair. Probably not a purebred, but she sounds lovely just the same. > >"~*SooZy*~" <soozyquereshi@cathotmail.com> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In that case, most likely she is a mixed breed domestic shorthair. Probably not > a purebred, but she sounds lovely just the same. She's so unusual! But yes, she is lovely. I'll report on the vet visit just as soon as I know. > >Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be > >a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > similar coloring as well, so that's another possibility. Does the cat have four > white mittens? why did you ask about mitted paws just curious? >> Other cats may "go limp" when picked up too, like some Birmans do. Birmans >have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >why did you ask about mitted paws just curious? Birmans have four white mittens. Some Ragdolls do too, but if the cat doesn't have white mittens (or gloves, if you prefer), it's not a Birman. > >> Other cats may "go limp" when picked up too, like some Birmans do. Birmans > >have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Birmans have four white mittens. Some Ragdolls do too, but if the cat doesn't > have white mittens (or gloves, if you prefer), it's not a Birman. Yes Mitted Ragdolls are common, 2 of my 6 week old Ragdoll kittens are mitted, like their Father, I love their little white paws :-) I did not know all Birmans were mitted, you learn something new everyday :-) >Yes Mitted Ragdolls are common, 2 of my 6 week old Ragdoll kittens are >mitted, like their Father, I love their little white paws :-) >I did not know all Birmans were mitted, you learn something new everyday :-) Yes, that's the hallmark of the Birman breed. > >Yes Mitted Ragdolls are common, 2 of my 6 week old Ragdoll kittens are > >mitted, like their Father, I love their little white paws :-) > >I did not know all Birmans were mitted, you learn something new everyday :-) > > Yes, that's the hallmark of the Birman breed. and the Ragdolls hallmark is their beautiful blue eyes :-) >From: yngver@aol.comnospam (Yngver) >>Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be >>a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >four >white mittens? My cat Mickey goes limp when I pick him up, just like a sack of potatoes. He's a DSH and gray with tuxedo markings. If he's gray and white but has the tuxedo markings, is he still a tuxedo because he's gray and white and not black and white? Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm "PawsForThought" <darnit7@aol.comnolitter> wrote in message > If he's gray and white but has the tuxedo > markings, is he still a tuxedo because he's gray and white and not black and > white? I don't know but he sounds really pretty! >From: "Mary" rosefan@email.com >"PawsForThought" <darnit7@aol.comnolitter> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >I don't know but he sounds really pretty! Thanks, Mary :) You can see his picture at the link below. He's the one with the white mustache. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: "Mary" rosefan@email.com > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks, Mary :) You can see his picture at the link below. He's the one with > the white mustache. Oh boy and what a moustache too :-) what a cutie he is, beautiful cats :-)  SignatureLuv'n'Stuff *~*SooZy*~* http://community.webshots.com/user/ragmoor http://community.webshots.com/user/ragdollcatsuk >From: "~*SooZy*~" soozyquereshi@cathotmail.com >> >From: "Mary" rosefan@email.com >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Oh boy and what a moustache too :-) what a cutie he is, beautiful cats >:-) Thanks, Soozy!! Your kitties are very beautiful too :) Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: yngver@aol.comnospam (Yngver) > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Lauren I call that a grey and white tuxedo. ;) -L. >> My cat Mickey goes limp when I pick him up, just like a sack of potatoes. >He's [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >-L. Yoda is yellow with tuxedo markings. More like a leisure-suit kitty than a tuxedo. Sherry > Yoda is yellow with tuxedo markings. More like a leisure-suit kitty than a > tuxedo. > > Sherry Hahaha!! > >> My cat Mickey goes limp when I pick him up, just like a sack of potatoes. > He's [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sherry My Georgie looked like that. He was one of two kittens we kept from a litter when I was about 11. He was the BEST cat! -L. > My Georgie looked like that. He was one of two kittens we kept from a > litter when I was about 11. He was the BEST cat! Oh no he wasn't. He sucked. :) >My cat Mickey goes limp when I pick him up, just like a sack of potatoes. >He's >a DSH and gray with tuxedo markings. If he's gray and white but has the >tuxedo >markings, is he still a tuxedo because he's gray and white and not black and >white? Well, grey (often called blue) is genetically a dilute black. So in that respect, he's a tuxedo cat, but I think most people think of tuxedo cats as black with the white markings. >From: yngver@aol.comnospam (Yngver) >>My cat Mickey goes limp when I pick him up, just like a sack of potatoes. >>He's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >respect, he's a tuxedo cat, but I think most people think of tuxedo cats as >black with the white markings. Thanks, Yngver. I didn't know grey was a dilute black. Yeah Mickey has all the markings of a black and white tuxedo but grey. He had a brother who was a black and white tuxedo. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >Thanks, Yngver. I didn't know grey was a dilute black. Yeah Mickey has all >the markings of a black and white tuxedo but grey. He had a brother who was >a >black and white tuxedo. Same genes. I can't remember how the dilution gets in there, but it's the same thing with calico or toroiseshell cats--when the colors are diluted, you get a blue-cream cat. Same genes as a cat with black and orange patches, but the colors are diluted. One of our cats is blue cream, but the fur is more mixed and not so patchy except for one cream paw and a patch of cream color on her belly. If the color wasn't dilute, she'd be mostly black. >From: yngver@aol.comnospam (Yngver) >>Thanks, Yngver. I didn't know grey was a dilute black. Yeah Mickey has all >>the markings of a black and white tuxedo but grey. He had a brother who was [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >and not so patchy except for one cream paw and a patch of cream color on her >belly. If the color wasn't dilute, she'd be mostly black. She sounds very pretty! ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be > a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > frames, gentle dispositions, and "Siamese-type" coloring? I do > remember that they are bred for that "going limp" characteristic. yes I have Ragdolls, I hope your neighbour doesn't let hers out!!!!!!! Check out the link below to see mine SignatureLuv'n'Stuff *~*SooZy*~* http://community.webshots.com/user/ragmoor 3/4 Ragdoll Kittens all sold http://community.webshots.com/user/ragdollcatsuk my Ragdoll cats > yes I have Ragdolls, I hope your neighbour doesn't let hers out!!!!!!! Oh god, no, the cruel bastard who dumped the cat had her declawed. :-( And, we live on a busy street. > > Check out the link below to see mine Gorgeous! > > Check out the link below to see mine Your adult ragdolls all look like this cat would if it had some TLC and filled out some. Their fur is unique, isn't it? Very thick and fuzzy but not very long? I think perhaps the neighbor's cat is a mix because of her spatter "cookies and cream" markings and her very round head and high forehead. Thank you. > > > Check out the link below to see mine > all sold [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > because of her spatter "cookies and cream" markings and her very round > head and high forehead. Thank you. well mine are Blue colourpointed, maybe that one is a Seal there are lots of different colours, inc Tabby, tortie, mitted Mine are only kittens, 7 months and 9 months old > > > > Check out the link below to see mine > > all sold [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > different colours, inc Tabby, tortie, mitted > Mine are only kittens, 7 months and 9 months old Yours are gorgeous. Hers (if it is one) is a Seal point, as the brown is very dark, more like semi-sweet than milk chocolate. > Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be > a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > frames, gentle dispositions, and "Siamese-type" coloring? I do > remember that they are bred for that "going limp" characteristic. If you decide it is a Ragdoll, you might want to mention to your neighbour that Ragdolls can be prone to heart disease. There's info about HCM generally and a link about its relevance to Ragdolls specifically here: http://www.felinecrf.org/related_diseases.htm#HCM_websites But tell her not to panic, my cat (Persian) has had HCM for over four years and is fine <touch wood> HTH Helen > > Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be > > a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Helen As a Ragdoll owner and I know many other Ragdoll breeders and owners, none have found this to be the case. I think its another myth and the Ragdoll breeds have many LOL > Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be > a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > frames, gentle dispositions, and "Siamese-type" coloring? I do > remember that they are bred for that "going limp" characteristic. Hmm, how did I miss this post... aw well. I have one Ragdoll. They have thick fur, are very gentle, but there are different colourings and patterns not all of which are Siamese-like. Some go limp. I find mine will settle right down into my arms when I pick her up, seemingly completely trusting of me not to drop her. They also like to lay on their backs a lot. Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck > > Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be > > a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > pick her up, seemingly completely trusting of me not to drop her. They > also like to lay on their backs a lot. yes both mine are the same, they often just crash out on their backs to sleep in the middle of the floor! LOL my 6 weeks old Ragdoll kittens lay on their back, and lay like babies in my arms already! they are all totally litter box trained apart from one accident a couple of weeks ago from one of them. Ragdolls are amazing cats :-) SignatureLuv'n'Stuff *~*SooZy*~* http://community.webshots.com/user/ragmoors http://community.webshots.com/user/ragdollcatsuk > Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be > a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes > over you. I did a Google image search, and there she was! A lot of cats - "pure bred", or otherwise, do this. The "limp ragdoll" or "docile ragdoll" myth was proven to be just that - a myth (From GCCF): "Ragdoll Cats: Many comments have been made about Ragdoll cats and so the decision to recognise them was not taken until very careful investigations had taken place. Reports were obtained from a leading veterinary college to confirm that the central nervous system of these cats is perfectly normal, that they are not in any way different from other cats and that they are no more or less likely to be floppy when relaxed than any other cat. It is also questionable whether they have the very high pain threshold that has been suggested. The Ragdoll was first introduced in the United States where the breed was speedily patented. The only way in which such a patent could be obtained was by the claim that the cat was unlike other cats; this claim has since been discredited both in the United States and the United Kingdom." > Am I correct in recalling that Ragdolls have soft, thick fur, large > frames, gentle dispositions, and "Siamese-type" coloring? I do > remember that they are bred for that "going limp" characteristic. See above. The cat could be a himilayan mix or a tortie-point himalayan, a ragdoll mix, a birman mix, a siamese mix - or just a plain ole Moggie - from what you have described. :) -L. > A lot of cats - "pure bred", or otherwise, do this. The "limp > ragdoll" or "docile ragdoll" myth was proven to be just that - a myth [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > other cats and that they are no more or less likely to be floppy when > relaxed than any other cat. Yes I read a report from Glasgow uni, about Ragdolls nervous system being the same as a normal cats too, a long while back. I must say though my Ragdolls are really floppy, much more so than any other cat I have had! I think you have to have owned a Ragdoll to realise just how floppy they are, and very docile too. But then again they are very big and heavy type cats. you can just hang them over your arm, they don't tense up or leap out of your arms, I have never had a cat previously let me do this. But I have only ever owned moggies who were never heavy or over weight. You can hold them like babies, and put them down once asleep and they stay that way with out moving. Even my 6 week old Ragdolls you can lay on their backs. It is also questionable whether they have > the very high pain threshold that has been suggested. Yes some poeople seriously believed Ragdolls did not feel pain!!!!!!! Hmmmmmm!!! wonder where that came from! > The Ragdoll was first introduced in the United States where the breed > was speedily patented. The only way in which such a patent could be > obtained was by the claim that the cat was unlike other cats; this > claim has since been discredited both in the United States and the > United Kingdom." yes that is how all pedigree cats are made, have to have something different. Ragdolls look like Birmans, to most people until you really get into learning about them, eg the head, ears, body shape, size. temperament etc they are both beautiful, its those blue eyes I love :-) > > "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote in message > news:<_EPyb.40807$Vu5.2961658@twister.southeast.rr.com>... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Yes I read a report from Glasgow uni, about Ragdolls nervous system being > the same as a normal cats too, a long while back. Well, of course their nervous systems are the same! MIne is the same as my sister's but I tend to be relaxed and floppy and she is type A! It is more about temperament, I think, and a built-in predilection to be laid back. > I must say though my Ragdolls are really floppy, much more so than any other > cat I have had! I think you have to have owned a Ragdoll to realise just how > floppy they are, and very docile too. That is the thing. My neighbor's cat is just so ... DIFFERENT. I need to see and hold a confirmed Ragdoll to know if this might be why. But then again they are very big and > heavy type cats. > you can just hang them over your arm, they don't tense up or leap out of [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > learning about them, eg the head, ears, body shape, size. temperament etc > they are both beautiful, its those blue eyes I love :-) They sound just lovely. Just talked to my neighbor--the vet gave the kitty a clean bill of health, although she had been in a fight as one ear is scarred. I'm still boiling over the fact that some idiot declawed this gentle cat then left her outside to fend for herself. > > > "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote in message > > news:<_EPyb.40807$Vu5.2961658@twister.southeast.rr.com>... [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > It is more about temperament, I think, and a built-in predilection to > be laid back. No honestly! :-) its believed Ragdolls are more relaxed and floppy, you read it on so many Ragdoll sites. > > I must say though my Ragdolls are really floppy, much more so than > any other [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That is the thing. My neighbor's cat is just so ... DIFFERENT. I need > to see and hold a confirmed Ragdoll to know if this might be why. well they are heavy, dead weight and just hang there, no springy if you know whatI mean like Moggies :-) > But then again they are very big and > > heavy type cats. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > still boiling over the fact that some idiot declawed this gentle cat > then left her outside to fend for herself. awwwwww poor baby :-( have you taken a picture yet? looking forward to seeing her SignatureLuv'n'Stuff *~*SooZy*~* http://community.webshots.com/user/ragmoor http://community.webshots.com/user/ragdollcatsuk "~*SooZy*~" <soozyquereshi@cathotmail.com> wrote in message news:bqnvu1 > No honestly! :-) its believed Ragdolls are more relaxed and floppy, you > read it on so many Ragdoll sites. I'm agreeing with you! Just saying that just because they have the same sort of nervous system as other cats (as "L" stated) does not mean they are not floppy and laid back! > well they are heavy, dead weight and just hang there, no springy if you know > whatI mean like Moggies :-) That's what she is like! > awwwwww poor baby :-( have you taken a picture yet? looking forward to > seeing her Wish I had a digital camera. Maybe my neighbor does. I'll try! > "~*SooZy*~" <soozyquereshi@cathotmail.com> wrote in message > news:bqnvu1 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > same sort of nervous system as other cats (as "L" stated) does not > mean they are not floppy and laid back! yes there are lots of floppy laid back Moggies out there :-) a lot depends on their relationship with there owners too. > > well they are heavy, dead weight and just hang there, no springy if > you know [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Wish I had a digital camera. Maybe my neighbor does. I'll try! Oh I hope you can take a picture somehow of her, when you have been chatting about a cat its so nice to see them :-) >>Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be >>a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes >>over you. I did a Google image search, and there she was! > > A lot of cats - "pure bred", or otherwise, do this. The "limp > ragdoll" or "docile ragdoll" myth was proven to be just that - a myth Fortunately, the characteristic is not a myth with the Ragdoll. Where do you suppose the breed name "Ragdoll" originated from in terms of being descriptive of characteristics within the breed? Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck > >>Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be > >>a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Where do you suppose the breed name "Ragdoll" originated from in terms > of being descriptive of characteristics within the breed? Joe is right, The words Ragdoll and docile go together! any Ragdoll owner will tell you that just do a google search of Docile Ragdoll :-) A cat that is so laid back, it goes limp when you stroke it. A cat you can teach to fetch things. A cat you can walk on a leash. A cat you will never find on top of the fridge because it can't be bothered to jump up. A cat that weighs upwards of 20 pounds. A Ragdoll is a breed of cat that began about 30 years ago in Riverside, California, with the help of a woman named Ann Baker. Ann recognized something very special about her neighbors' cats, and decided to further them and 'create' her own breed, the IRCA Ragdoll. It seems Ms. Baker used to market her ragdolls by tossing them in the air to show how they would go limp as they waited to be caught rather than lashing out with their claws. > A cat that is so laid back, it goes limp when you stroke it. Mine does this often. She will also roll over on her back. > A cat you can teach to fetch things. I play fetch with mine all the time. Her favorite fetch game is when I throw bits of kibble which she promptly consumes. If I throw an rolled up ball of paper she will return it and drop it in front of me for another round. If I don't throw it she will protest with a few meows. > A cat you can walk on a leash. I've never tried this. > A cat you will never find on top of the fridge because it can't be bothered > to jump up. Exactly. Mine also leaves the Christmas tree alone. > A cat that weighs upwards of 20 pounds. My female is now very close to 18 pounds. > A Ragdoll is a breed of cat that began about 30 years ago in Riverside, > California, with the help of a woman named Ann Baker. Ann recognized [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > show how they would go limp as they waited to be caught rather than lashing > out with their claws. Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck > > A cat that is so laid back, it goes limp when you stroke it. > > Mine does this often. She will also roll over on her back. yes mine do too :-) stay there and sleep, they are so lovely to watch, they completetly calm me down too, when I ever feel stressed > > A cat you can teach to fetch things. > > I play fetch with mine all the time. Her favorite fetch game is when I > throw bits of kibble which she promptly consumes. If I throw an rolled > up ball of paper she will return it and drop it in front of me for > another round. If I don't throw it she will protest with a few meows. yes mine do too, like little puppy dogs :-) > > A cat you can walk on a leash. > > I've never tried this. no me neither, mine are strictly indoor cats > > A cat you will never find on top of the fridge because it can't be bothered > > to jump up. > > Exactly. Mine also leaves the Christmas tree alone. mine had a look, smelt it, its an optic fibre tree, not real so no point playing with it! > > A cat that weighs upwards of 20 pounds. > > My female is now very close to 18 pounds. oh wow :-) mine are only 8lb but they are just kittens, how old is yours? I love adult Ragdolls they are real live cuddley toys :-) SignatureLuv'n'Stuff *~*SooZy*~* http://community.webshots.com/user/ragmoor http://community.webshots.com/user/ragdollcatsuk >A cat that is so laid back, it goes limp when you stroke it. Lots of cats do that. My sister's Persian cat did that. >A cat you can teach to fetch things. LOL. Lots of cats can be taught to fetch. We have one that just started doing it on her own. That's not specific to Ragdolls. >A cat you can walk on a leash. IMO you can teach almost any cat to walk on a leash. All of our cats are leash trained. >A cat you will never find on top of the fridge because it can't be bothered >to jump up. Two of our three are like this, and none of them are Ragdolls. >A cat that weighs upwards of 20 pounds. Like Maine Coons? >A Ragdoll is a breed of cat that began about 30 years ago in Riverside, >California, with the help of a woman named Ann Baker. Ann recognized >something very special about her neighbors' cats, and decided to further >them and 'create' her own breed, the IRCA Ragdoll. There are a lot of "stories" and controversy surrounding Ann Baker and the origin of the Ragdoll. Seems like she wanted to make the origin seem mysterious. >It seems Ms. Baker used to market her ragdolls by tossing them in the air to >show how they would go limp as they waited to be caught rather than lashing >out with their claws. I guess that might appeal to some people. I mean, Ragdolls are beautiful cats but the number of silly myths that float around about them has always been kind of a turn-off for me. Breeding cats for their capacity to go limp just seems a little strange to me--but that's just me. > > I guess that might appeal to some people. I mean, Ragdolls are beautiful cats > but the number of silly myths that float around about them has always been kind > of a turn-off for me. Breeding cats for their capacity to go limp just seems a > little strange to me--but that's just me. You have never had one, yet you refuse to believe what those who have them say about them. I find that a little strange. >You have never had one, yet you refuse to believe what those who have >them say about them. I find that a little strange. First off, I have a friend who has one and I've certainly been around Ragdolls at cat shows--enough to know what they are like. Secondly, the type of silly myth I'm talking about is the story that Ragdolls can't feel pain, for example. I'm sure you don't believe that, do you? Or that they are hypo-allergenic. Or that they are completely unable to defend themselves. > >You have never had one, yet you refuse to believe what those who have > >them say about them. I find that a little strange. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > they are hypo-allergenic. Or that they are completely unable to defend > themselves. No, you were not only talking about that. For every characteristic Soozy brought up, your answer was "big deal, lots of cats do this," or "not all Ragdolls do this." It is a recognized breed. Just because you don't happen to like these characteristics, or this breed does not mean that they are not wonderful cats. Just like "L"'s rude comment about them being stupid, your post displayed ignorance and prejudice more than anything else. Unnecessarily antagonistic to those who have and love Ragdolls. I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts around my house, but that doesn't mean Ragdolls are not perfectly charming and certainly does not mean that they are not a recognized breed with a set of known characteristics. They appear to be perfect for small children, for example, because they can be dragged around and dressed up in doll clothes without removing any of the child's skin. >No, you were not only talking about that. Sorry you misunderstood that point, but yes indeed, those were the silly myths I was referring to. For every characteristic >Soozy brought up, your answer was "big deal, lots of cats do this," Well, your paraphrase puts a different tone on it. But yes, those traits are not unique to Ragdolls. or >"not all Ragdolls do this." I don't recall that, but my point remains that most of those traits can be possessed by all sorts of cats. To think such traits are only found in Ragdolls is incorrect. It is a recognized breed. That's true, but most of those traits named were not specific breed characteristics. Just because you >don't happen to like these characteristics, I didn't say that. In fact, I never said I don't like Ragdolls. or this breed does not >mean that they are not wonderful cats. Never said they aren't, but I think to try to perpetuate such myths about them is silly. If it's such a wonderful breed, what's the point of dreaming up nonsense to try to distinguish them from other breeds? The cats should be appreciated for what they really are. Just like "L"'s rude comment >about them being stupid, your post displayed ignorance and prejudice >more than anything else. Unnecessarily antagonistic to those who have >and love Ragdolls. Whatever. IMO it's a bit ignorant to fall for absurb myths and tales. Ragdolls and other breeds of cats are fine animals without the exaggerations and false claims. >I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts around >my house, but that doesn't mean Ragdolls are not perfectly charming >and certainly does not mean that they are not a recognized breed with >a set of known characteristics. Yes, but those named were not their genuine characteristics. They appear to be perfect for small >children, for example, because they can be dragged around and dressed >up in doll clothes without removing any of the child's skin. If small children need to maul cats without being scratched, they should be given stuffed animals. No cat should be mistreated, even those who are willing to suffer in silence. "Yngver" <yngver@aol.comnospam> wrote in message > Just like "L"'s rude comment > >about them being stupid, your post displayed ignorance and prejudice > >more than anything else. Unnecessarily antagonistic to those who have > >and love Ragdolls. > > Whatever. A non-comment. >IMO it's a bit ignorant to fall for absurb myths and tales. Ragdolls > and other breeds of cats are fine animals without the exaggerations and false > claims. Which ones that Soozy made were false? > >I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts around > >my house, but that doesn't mean Ragdolls are not perfectly charming > >and certainly does not mean that they are not a recognized breed with > >a set of known characteristics. > > Yes, but those named were not their genuine characteristics. And which were they? > They appear to be perfect for small > >children, for example, because they can be dragged around and dressed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > given stuffed animals. No cat should be mistreated, even those who are willing > to suffer in silence. Heh heh. I just watched a terribly mistreated cat being dragged around that way. She was so traumatized she purred the entire time. >>IMO it's a bit ignorant to fall for absurb myths and tales. Ragdolls >> and other breeds of cats are fine animals without the exaggerations >and false >> claims. > >Which ones that Soozy made were false? The ability to learn to fetch, to learn to walk on a leash, the inability to jump to high places, and passivity were presented as traits unique to the Ragdoll. They are not. In the attempt to try to establish that something was unique enough about this type of cat to patent the name, the originator Ann Baker tried to advance quite a few odd ideas about the Ragdoll: among them that the cat has human genes and is a link to space aliens. Makes one doubt most of the supposedly unique traits attached to the Ragdoll to this day. >> >I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts >around [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >And which were they? As above. >> They appear to be perfect for small >> >children, for example, because they can be dragged around and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Heh heh. I just watched a terribly mistreated cat being dragged around >that way. She was so traumatized she purred the entire time. And I recall a Ragdoll owner who used to post here who presented the argument that Ragdolls are so docile and passive they don't know what their claws are for, therefore she felt justified in having the cat declawed. When the myths surrounding a breed of cat are used to justify harming the cat, I feel there is good reason to condemn such fallacies. > The ability to learn to fetch, to learn to walk on a leash, the inability to > jump to high places, and passivity were presented as traits unique to the > Ragdoll. They are not. Individually, those traits are not unique to Ragdoll cats but from what I understand, what makes Ragdolls 'unique' is that they have all of these traits. To say, "I know a cat that was trained to fetch, and another one that walks on a leash, and another that...and none of these were Ragdolls" doesn't nullify the idea that Ragdolls are (could be) a unique breed of cat. (Note: I don't have a Ragdoll nor have I ever (knowingly) met one.) rona Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** >Individually, those traits are not unique to Ragdoll cats but from what I >understand, what makes Ragdolls 'unique' is that they have all of these >traits. No, because many non-Ragdoll cats can also have all those traits, and there are obviously going to be Ragdolls that do not posess some of those traits, because they are a matter of personality. The breed standards--the physical characteristics established to distinguish this breed--are what makes the Ragdoll a separate and distinct breed. >To say, "I know a cat that was trained to fetch, and another one >that walks on a leash, and another that...and none of these were Ragdolls" I know cats that have all the traits mentioned, in the same cat, yet nevertheless they are not Ragdolls. >doesn't nullify the idea that Ragdolls are (could be) a unique breed of cat. If there were a breed of cat whose uniqueness depended on conformation to a standard set of behaviors, perhaps you would be right. > > The ability to learn to fetch, to learn to walk on a leash, the inability > to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that walks on a leash, and another that...and none of these were Ragdolls" > doesn't nullify the idea that Ragdolls are (could be) a unique breed of cat. That's what I tried but failed to convey. Thanks. "Yngver" <yngver@aol.comnospam> wrote in message > >Heh heh. I just watched a terribly mistreated cat being dragged around > >that way. She was so traumatized she purred the entire time. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > surrounding a breed of cat are used to justify harming the cat, I feel there is > good reason to condemn such fallacies. I have never known a cat that did not let me know when it was unhappy. Anyway, as it turns out, I think the kitty in question is just a really, really laid back Siamese mix. She has gotten used to the noise the kids make and just sleeps and kneads all day and seeks them out for snuggling at night. She can be enticed to play very easily--but she is still like a sack of potatoes when you pick her up. It's precious. The kind of cat you have to get a bit of distance from if you want to see her, she clings so close. I picked her up today from my shoulder and damn if she wasn't looking right at me, eyes not crossed at all. They just wander all over the place. The family loves her, and I am just so happy she was spared from being killed at the pound. A happy story. She rubs her face on the children's cheeks, marking them as her humans. > "Yngver" <yngver@aol.comnospam> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > pound. A happy story. She rubs her face on the children's cheeks, > marking them as her humans. She sure sounds very happy! Karen >> She sure sounds very happy! > > Karen Yeah. It just makes me love my neighbor so much, because she went out of her way to rescue a cat that essentially had no hope. And this woman is not one of those sickeningly sweet posers, she is just really down to earth, just kind of goes about making her little chunk of the world better however she can. This cat was certainly just one of untold thousands ... millions? ...of cats slated to be killed this week nationwide. Just a drop in the bucket. But still solid good. A solidly good thing. She is safe forever now. >Yeah. It just makes me love my neighbor so much, because she went out >of her way to rescue a cat that essentially had no hope. And this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >week nationwide. Just a drop in the bucket. But still solid good. A >solidly good thing. She is safe forever now. She sounds like a gem. Your post solidifies the phrase, "You can't save them all, but focus on the ones you did." It keeps us sane, and keeps us trying. Sherry >Your post solidifies the phrase, "You can't save them > all, but focus on the ones you did." > It keeps us sane, and keeps us trying. Sherry, I will never forget two years ago, when I went to the shelter where I found Cheeky. I don't know if it caught me at the wrong time, or what, but all those sweet little creatures in cages lining the walls, roaming the rooms, looking at me, some rubbing up against me like "PICK ME!!" They just left me with this excruciating feeling of helplessness. It was just before Christmas and I offered to pay the adoption fee for any of my family and friends who would take one of the cats. Not ONE person took me up on it. I don't understand it. Cats are such joys, and you know there are not many families that would not benefit from their company. So many people live alone, too. It's just sad that the many who do don't know how cheaply they can have wonderful company! :) >Anyway, as it turns out, I think the kitty in question is just a >really, really laid back Siamese mix. She has gotten used to the noise [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >pound. A happy story. She rubs her face on the children's cheeks, >marking them as her humans. She sounds like a sweet cat. These stories always make me wonder who would have abandoned such a nice cat, and really glad she found a happy home. > She sounds like a sweet cat. These stories always make me wonder who would have > abandoned such a nice cat, and really glad she found a happy home. You and me both! After declawing her! What kind of beasts are walking around in human form these days, and why aren't they sucked into space before they can get their hands on trusting little creatures? No wonder I have been accused of preferring the company of animals to that of humans! > >No, you were not only talking about that. > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > given stuffed animals. No cat should be mistreated, even those who are willing > to suffer in silence. I have a daughter of nearly 5 my Ragdolls keep well away from her, they don't like her rushing about. She is allowed to sit and stroke them but only if they come to her. > > to suffer in silence. > > I have a daughter of nearly 5 my Ragdolls keep well away from her, they > don't like her rushing about. She is allowed to sit and stroke them but > only if they come to her. Most animal lovers teach their children about how to treat their pets. My neighbor's cat loves their 3-year-old, and splits when she has had enough. Her mother told her that she can play with the kitty when she comes to her, but not when she is napping or not interested. This cat is so happy! I think she knows they saved her life somehow--or maybe she is just really happy to be out of the hellish pound atmosphere. > > > to suffer in silence. > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > is so happy! I think she knows they saved her life somehow--or maybe > she is just really happy to be out of the hellish pound atmosphere. ooops I mean the Ragdolls allow her to stroke them if they go to her! they seem to prefer a relaxed quiet atmosphere in the house. If she charges about they go off to their beds :-) They play first thing in the morning and late in the evening and of course at bedtime LOL oh I agree, children should be taught not to stroke them while they are sleeping, and no to follow them around. My youngest daughter has had cats around her from birth so she doesn't really get too excited about them, when the kittens were born we let her look in on them, but not to handle them without one of us being there, until they were a few weeks old. She is a dog lover though! I have to tell her time and time again never to stroke a dog in the street without asking first! > > >You have never had one, yet you refuse to believe what those who > have [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Soozy brought up, your answer was "big deal, lots of cats do this," or > "not all Ragdolls do this." It is a recognized breed. So what? What does that mean? Not all ragdolls exhibit the behaviors you describe, so I guess it doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot, does it? >Just because you > don't happen to like these characteristics, or this breed does not > mean that they are not wonderful cats. Just like "L"'s rude comment > about them being stupid, your post displayed ignorance and prejudice > more than anything else. Unnecessarily antagonistic to those who have > and love Ragdolls. Just as you claim ragdolls are docile, "go limp" and are the wondercats, IME, the ones I have met *are* stupid - they are a cat that would sit there and let itself be mauled, rather than defend itself. Not exactly survival of the fittest, IYKWIM... My anecdotal generalization and your anecdotal generalizations aren't much different from each other, other than the fact that yours are pro-ragdoll, and mine are not. Furthermore, the "traits" you claim are unique to ragdolls - that they supposedly have been bred for - certainly are not. There are many moggies, Persians, Egyptian Maus, Scottish folds, etc., etc., that exhibit the same characteristics. Someone who wants a docile, limp-going, mellow cat can walk into any shelter in the US, pick up kittens one at a time turn them over on their backs and assess them for these traits. There is no need to pay hundreds of dollars for something that is not unique. Unless, of course, you happen to like the look, but then again, the look is rather color-pointed moggie-like, in many regards. Again, not something you cannot find in a shelter. The point is, the organization in the UK cited in the article tried to prove that the ragdoll breed was unique in some *tangible* way. They could not. The ragdoll myth is just that - a myth. Like it or not, you've bought into the myth and have been duped. The woman who orginally bred the cats was a nutcase: "As time went on, Ann Baker’s statements and claims about the breed became strange, supernatural - and - very hard to believe. She publicized statements outlining how Ragdoll cats have human genes in them, that they are immune to pain & that they represent a link between us and space aliens." She set up her own registery club, in order to "control" the breeding and to be self-promoting: "In 1971, Baker created her own cat registry & association known as IRCA (International Ragdoll Cat Association). Since then, she has been in bitter debate about how only her Ragdolls are legitimate and the rest are fake. In December 1975 Ann Baker had the name "Ragdoll" patented for the first time. The patent is valid until the year 2005, and allows only IRCA breeders to use the name." Sources: http://www.ragdoll-cats.com/history.htm Not a whole lot of credibility... Like they say, "There is a sucker born every minute." -L. "-L." > Just as you claim ragdolls are docile, "go limp" and are the > wondercats, IME, the ones I have met *are* stupid - they are a cat > that would sit there and let itself be mauled, rather than defend > itself. Not exactly survival of the fittest, IYKWIM... Okay, sunshine, get with the program, will you? *I* never claimed anything about Ragdolls. Others who have them have had a lot to say about them, as we all have a lot to say about our cats here. > My anecdotal > generalization and your anecdotal generalizations aren't much > different from each other, other than the fact that yours are > pro-ragdoll, and mine are not. I am pro- "all kinds of cats." > Furthermore, the "traits" you claim are unique to ragdolls - that they > supposedly have been bred for - certainly are not. There are many [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > you've bought into the myth and have been duped. The woman who > orginally bred the cats was a nutcase: Yes, well, I feel certain that you are ugly and that your mother dressed you funny when you were a child. Now that I have reduced the discourse to your level I'm sure you feel better. Now pop on over to rec.pets.dogs.health+behav and trash whatever breed you find "dumb as a rock." It's the weekend. Might as well live a little. > I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts around > my house, but that doesn't mean Ragdolls are not perfectly charming <cut> Mary did you see the pictures of Bebe my skinny tabby moggie, she is half Ragdoll believe it or not LOL she had 6 kittens, 4 Ragdoll look-a-likes and one pure grey and one tabby grey, they all are beautiful 8 weeks old tomorrow. She was bred with a pure Ragdoll. SignatureLuv'n'Stuff *~*SooZy*~* http://community.webshots.com/user/ragmoors http://community.webshots.com/user/ragdollcatsuk >> I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts >> around [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > look-a-likes and one pure grey and one tabby grey, they all are > beautiful 8 weeks old tomorrow. She was bred with a pure Ragdoll. Bred, as in on purpose? > >> I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts > >> around [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Bred, as in on purpose? pure as in Active Registered Stud Ragdoll >>>> I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts >>>> around [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > pure as in Active Registered Stud Ragdoll But you said the female is a moggy?? That means you are not breeding purebreds. >> pure as in Active Registered Stud Ragdoll > > But you said the female is a moggy?? That means you are not > breeding purebreds. PS - I have to wonder about the stud owners for allowing him to sire moggies. Aren't there "rules" for these things? -- cheryl (trying to stay civil) > >> pure as in Active Registered Stud Ragdoll > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > PS - I have to wonder about the stud owners for allowing him to sire > moggies. Aren't there "rules" for these things? no there are no rules, the stud owner is a friend who I brought one of my other Ragdoll kittens from, she loved my Tabby Moggie and said how pretty she was and if I wanted to breed her with her stud boy I could when she is old enough. >>>> pure as in Active Registered Stud Ragdoll >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > said how pretty she was and if I wanted to breed her with her stud > boy I could when she is old enough. I see. Not a responsible breeder. I hope that he is neutered by now? And your moggie spayed? > >>>> pure as in Active Registered Stud Ragdoll > >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I see. Not a responsible breeder. I hope that he is neutered by now? > And your moggie spayed? no my Ragdoll boy is going to be as closed stud when he is old enough and so is my Ragdoll female, and so will the other 2 females I buy during the year. > > > >> pure as in Active Registered Stud Ragdoll [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > other Ragdoll kittens from, she loved my Tabby Moggie and said how pretty > she was Invite her down to the local pound so y'all can see how "pretty" a trash can full of dead kittens is. -L. > >>>> I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts > >>>> around [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > But you said the female is a moggy?? That means you are not breeding > purebreds. I bred my first and only litter of 3/4 Ragdolls sold within a week of being born, as most were asked for before they were born. my other 2 cats are only kittens nearly 8 months and 10 months who are registered Ragdolls.... > > I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts around > > my house, but that doesn't mean Ragdolls are not perfectly charming [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > one pure grey and one tabby grey, they all are beautiful 8 weeks old > tomorrow. She was bred with a pure Ragdoll. Man, I want to take another look now. I love those blue eyes! > > > I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts > around [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Man, I want to take another look now. I love those blue eyes! yes they have really beautiful blue eyes, Skie has a lovely coat but her eyes are not as deep blue as Moshi and the baby kittens, their Mummy has golden coloured eyes, but she is a Ragdoll cross Tabby Moggie, the sweetest natured cat, she doesn't look or act like a Ragdoll one bit, very slim, light, tiny, playful and never lays on her back Soozy wrote: >Mary did you see the pictures of Bebe >my skinny tabby moggie, she is half [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >beautiful 8 weeks old tomorrow. She was >bred with a pure Ragdoll. This is disgusting, and you should be flogged for intentionally contributing to the overpopulation problem and taking homes away from cats that really need them. Maybe you can explain to the animals at the following link why you felt a need to not spay your "skinny moggie" and purposely let her get pregnant: http://community.webtv.net/zuzu22/overpopulation Oh, wait. You can't because they are DEAD. WTF is wrong with you? This world does not need any more cats. You always struck me as being sort of an imbecile, but this really takes the cake. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >>I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts around >>my house, but that doesn't mean Ragdolls are not perfectly charming [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > one pure grey and one tabby grey, they all are beautiful 8 weeks old > tomorrow. She was bred with a pure Ragdoll. You *deliberately* bred your cat, knowing about the huge population problem? And they're not even purebred, so you don't even have that excuse? Please smack yourself upside the head for me. Are you really that ignorant? > >A cat that is so laid back, it goes limp when you stroke it. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > of a turn-off for me. Breeding cats for their capacity to go limp just seems a > little strange to me--but that's just me. I agree. IME, the ones I have known are dumber than rocks. -L. > > >A cat that is so laid back, it goes limp when you stroke it. > > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > -L. well I love Ragdolls because I love their size, beautiful coats, docile personalities, blue eyes and there almost dog personalities, I love lap cats, mine snuggle up on the settee with us, and sleep in my arms of a night time, purring away, they follow me everywhere :-) My Moggie is the same too though, she is a tabby |
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