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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / December 2003New Adoptee--baggy skin in cats
Bless my sweet neighbor who just brought home an adult cat from the pound that was up for euthanization! I just came back from seeing her. She is a large-boned Siamese mix, cream and dark brown, with the usual markings of a chocolate point or seal point but also a kind of brown mottling on her legs and face that looks like Cookies and Cream ice cream. She has a high forehead (doll face) and crossed blue eyes. She has been given her shots and neutered, and the former owners were nice enough to declaw her before they abandoned her to be killed. [Grrrrr .....] When my neighbor said they said the cat was about 2, I did a doubletake because although her fur is very thick and soft, she has that "frumpy" appearance old cats get. And, when she stands up her hipbones stick out and her skin hangs on her stomach, not like a "baby belly," either. I looked at her teeth and sure enough, they look like the teeth of a cat under five. She has them all, and there is no plaque. Is she just undernourished, do you think? My friend has a vet visit scheduled, but I wanted to see what you all think. She is a very, very gentle and sweet kitty, playful and affectionate. I brought her a toy and she began batting at it inside of her first hour in her new home. >From: "Mary" rosefan@email.com >Bless my sweet neighbor who just brought home an adult cat from the >pound that was up for euthanization! [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >gentle and sweet kitty, playful and affectionate. I brought her a toy >and she began batting at it inside of her first hour in her new home. I am so glad to hear your neighbor adopted this kitty. Poor baby :( I wish I could offer you some insight into her condition. Please let us know what the vet says. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > I am so glad to hear your neighbor adopted this kitty. Poor baby :( I wish I > could offer you some insight into her condition. Please let us know what the > vet says. Will do. I think she is healthy enough, just undernourished, and I think she might be a Ragdoll, which is why she struck me as odd--she is so large and lanky, with all that thick fur, and just kind of drapes over you. The best thing: my neighbor has three little daughters age 1.5-maybe 7, and they will now learn how to provide a loving home for an animal that was thrown away like so much garbage. > Lauren > ________ > See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe > Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm There was a loon (and I do mean *LOON*) that used to post on alt.cats who had a Ragdoll and from what I remember, your neighbor's new kitty fits the description. I know there are others on this group who know *exactly* who I'm talking about - "The Psycho Whose Name We Must Not Speak Out Loud".... <beg> >>I am so glad to hear your neighbor adopted this kitty. Poor baby > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html >>Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > There was a loon (and I do mean *LOON*) that used to post on alt.cats > who had a Ragdoll and from what I remember, your neighbor's new kitty > fits the description. I know there are others on this group who know > *exactly* who I'm talking about - "The Psycho Whose Name We Must Not > Speak Out Loud".... <beg> Wow, must have left quite an impression! ;) Glad I missed her or him. This is exciting because I love the idea of this neat family getting an EVEN MORE SPECIAL kitty, you know? She is so gentle, and feels like a plush toy. Very laid back, very lanky and drapy. Perfect for little girls to play with. I have the feeling it might be a ragdoll because it struck me as so ODD in a way I could not put my finger on. She is a very indirect, big old floppy girl! I love them all. > >>I am so glad to hear your neighbor adopted this kitty. Poor baby > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >>http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > >>Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>There was a loon (and I do mean *LOON*) that used to post on > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ODD in a way I could not put my finger on. She is a very indirect, big > old floppy girl! I love them all. Can we clone that family and send them all over the US?? >>>>I am so glad to hear your neighbor adopted this kitty. Poor baby >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>>>http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html >>>>Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > >>There was a loon (and I do mean *LOON*) that used to post on > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Can we clone that family and send them all over the US?? Don't I wish! They are the sweetest things. When we go out of town they care for our babies. >There was a loon (and I do mean *LOON*) that used to post on alt.cats >who had a Ragdoll and from what I remember, your neighbor's new kitty >fits the description. I know there are others on this group who know >*exactly* who I'm talking about - "The Psycho Whose Name We Must Not >Speak Out Loud".... <beg> I think said un-named loon posted on this group also. Shherry >>There was a loon (and I do mean *LOON*) that used to post on alt.cats >>who had a Ragdoll and from what I remember, your neighbor's new kitty [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Shherry Ooh, I think you're right. <play Twilight Zone music now >Bless my sweet neighbor who just brought home an adult cat from the >pound that was up for euthanization! [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >gentle and sweet kitty, playful and affectionate. I brought her a toy >and she began batting at it inside of her first hour in her new home. When my Siamese (RB) first adopted me she had sagging skin on her lower abdomen. I figured this was stretched skin from pregnancy (she had been neutered) or from loss of weight. In a couple of years it had disappeared. She had apparently been living wild for several months as she still had her previous winter coat. After weeks of grooming she developed a beautiful coat. I suspect your cat's weight loss is the cause too. Good luck with her. I adore Siamese kitties. MLB "m. L. Briggs" <mlbriggs@nospam.net> wrote in message > I suspect your cat's weight > loss is the cause too. Good luck with her. I adore Siamese kitties. > MLB Thanks for the input. My neighbor is such a sweet woman--to actually choose her family's first cat from a small group that were up for euthanization--I always liked her but now I like her more. Her one little girl is a budding cat freak (she is about 3-4 years old), and has wanted a kitty ever since they had lunch at my house and my cats hid and she just wailed because she wanted to see them. I'll let everyone know what the vet says. >From: "Mary" rosefan@email.com >Thanks for the input. My neighbor is such a sweet woman--to actually >choose her family's first cat from a small group that were up for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >hid and she just wailed because she wanted to see them. I'll let >everyone know what the vet says. I got my first cat, a Siamese, when I was 4 years old. That precious kitty used to let me dress her up in doll clothes :) Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > I got my first cat, a Siamese, when I was 4 years old. That precious kitty > used to let me dress her up in doll clothes :) Hee! I used to put puppies through this, and put them in the baby carriage too! > Lauren > ________ > See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe > Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >> I got my first cat, a Siamese, when I was 4 years old. That >precious kitty [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Lauren >> ________ Me too. I used to put my poor beleaguered childhood Pekingese through the doll clothes/carriage routine. She'd lay on her back, bonnet and all, in that stupid buggy and I'd push her around. Poor thing. Sherry >Bless my sweet neighbor who just brought home an adult cat from the >pound that was up for euthanization! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >neutered, and the former owners were nice enough to declaw her before >they abandoned her to be killed. [Grrrrr .....] Yup. That sort of blows the "Declaw To Guarantee A Forever Home" theory. RE: her coat. I'd guess she's just malnourished. I had a skinny black stray with a short, scroungy coat and after 6 months, the cat turned out to be a longhair. I had no idea. She didn't even look like the same cat. Sherry > RE: her coat. I'd guess she's just malnourished. I had a skinny black stray > with a short, scroungy coat and after 6 months, the cat turned out to be a > longhair. I had no idea. She didn't even look like the same cat. I have a feeling this is going to be a BIG Girl! She is long, looks like she ought to weigh 12+ pounds. It just made my day to see her life saved. > Sherry I had a skinny black stray with a short, scroungy coat and after 6 months, the cat turned out to be a longhair. I had no idea. She didn't even look like the same cat. Sherry Sounds like our Fluffer. We got him from the SPCA. He weighted 6 lbs. when we brought him home. All ribs and hips. Only way you could tell he was supposed to be long haired was when we discovered the mats on his tummy and underarms. They were so bad we had to shave them off. His previous owners tried telling the SPCA he was an inside cat (yea right that's why there were azalia leaves in the middle of the mats) and got rid of him because he had fleas. He ended up being a 16 lb. gorgeous guy with a persian type build and a beautiful palm tree tail. We lost him to cancer 6 years ago - I still miss him. Wendy >I had a skinny black stray >with a short, scroungy coat and after 6 months, the cat turned out to be a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Wendy Awww. He sounds just like my Sheba. She is the only stray/rescue I ever re-homed that I regretted and wished I'd kept her to this day. The family that took her moved almost immediately and I lost track of her. I worry about her still. Sherry > I had a skinny black stray > with a short, scroungy coat and after 6 months, the cat turned out to be a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > supposed to be long haired was when we discovered the mats on his tummy and > underarms. This cat has ultra thick, soft, but short hair--super fluffy, super puffy, like an undercoat. It's odd, like everything else about her. > When my neighbor said they said the cat was about 2, I did a > doubletake because although her fur is very thick and soft, she has [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the teeth of a cat under five. She has them all, and there is no > plaque. 3 of my 4 cats have a saggy belly - 2 female and one male. The other female cat does not have this. None of the cats are undernourished. Someone once told me that cats get this saggy belly when they're spayed but that doesn't seem right, since one cat is male and one female doesn't have it. It's like a little kitty udder. On the two cats at work (females), their "udder" swings back & forth when they run. Doesn't seem to be a problem, just looks funny! Liz >> When my neighbor said they said the cat was about 2, I did a >> doubletake because although her fur is very thick and soft, she has [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Liz I did read an article once and this sagging skin has a name -- but I cannot remember it. I wish I had paid more attention, but Princess lost the sag after a couple of years. >From: m. L. Briggs mlbriggs@nospam.net >I did read an article once and this sagging skin has a name -- but I >cannot remember it. I wish I had paid more attention, but Princess >lost the sag after a couple of years. They actually had a short article about this in the most recent Cat Fancy magazine, calling it a "Spay Sway" I have also read where I believe it was called a "Primordial Pouch" attributable to the wild desert cats who would maybe not eat for a couple days, then gorge on food, so the extra skin helped expand the tummy. I have no idea if either of these explanations is true. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >They actually had a short article about this in the most recent Cat Fancy >magazine, calling it a "Spay Sway" I have also read where I believe it was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Lauren That's interesting. One of my daughter's cats has this, and he's a male. The vet referred to it as a "fat pocket" but didn't really explain why he has it. sherry >>From: m. L. Briggs mlbriggs@nospam.net > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >maybe not eat for a couple days, then gorge on food, so the extra skin helped >expand the tummy. I have no idea if either of these explanations is true. Primordial pouches exist to give the cats extra protection in that area (cat fights involve a lot of savage kicking with the hind legs at about that area) and to allow a longer leg extension when jumping. A primordial pouch is just a flap of empty extra skin between the hind leg and the torso. 'Spay sways' come from the weight that altered cats put on because their metabolisms slow down. Add that slowdown to the American tendancy to overfeed our pets, and you get a primordial pouch that is filled with fat that shouldn't be there, aka a 'spay sway'. Felis lybica (the African Wildcat) is actually quite different from the big cats, predation-wise. Big cats are desgined to gorge and fast -- they make one big kill maybe once or twice a week. Little cats, like F. Lybica, are designed to kill many small things throughout the day, eating every day at least, more often twice or three times. This is why domestic cats are susceptible to Hepatidic Lipidosis when they do not eat for two or more days. Their bodies are deisgned for several small meals a day, not one huge one once a week. In zoos, big cats are fasted once a week for health reasons -- small cats *never* are. >>>From: m. L. Briggs mlbriggs@nospam.net >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >Very interesting! Thanks for information. MLB >>From: m. L. Briggs mlbriggs@nospam.net > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html >Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm Sounds plausible. Thanks. > >> When my neighbor said they said the cat was about 2, I did a > >> doubletake because although her fur is very thick and soft, she has [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > cannot remember it. I wish I had paid more attention, but Princess > lost the sag after a couple of years. I feel fairly certain when I look at this cat that with good nutrition and exercise she will be all filled out and beautiful. That her hips are bony even though she is young is the dead giveaway that she needs some TLC, I think. Thanks for the input. I will pass all comments on to my neighbor this afternoon! > 3 of my 4 cats have a saggy belly - 2 female and one male. The other female > cat does not have this. None of the cats are undernourished. Someone once > told me that cats get this saggy belly when they're spayed but that doesn't > seem right, since one cat is male and one female doesn't have it. It's like > a little kitty udder. I do know what you mean, and recall that it looked hilarious when my old baby ran, as it flapped back and forth! With the neighbor's new adoptee, it is more of an overall sagginess combined with jutting hip bones and, when you reach under her and gather up the skin, a lean-to-nonexistent belly. I can see her spay scar, looks newly done but long enough to be healed. Maybe that contributes to it. Figures the beasts who declawed her didn't bother to spay her. Thanks for your input! This new girl is a very interesting cat. > 3 of my 4 cats have a saggy belly - 2 female and one male. The other female > cat does not have this. None of the cats are undernourished. Someone once > told me that cats get this saggy belly when they're spayed but that doesn't > seem right, since one cat is male and one female doesn't have it. It's like > a little kitty udder. I do know what you mean, and recall that it looked hilarious when my old baby ran, as it flapped back and forth! With the neighbor's new adoptee, it is more of an overall sagginess combined with jutting hip bones and, when you reach under her and gather up the skin, a lean-to-nonexistent belly. I can see her spay scar, looks newly done but long enough to be healed. Maybe that contributes to it. Figures the beasts who declawed her didn't bother to spay her. Thanks for your input! This new girl is a very interesting cat. OMG why would someone declaw a ragdoll? > I do know what you mean, and recall that it looked hilarious when my > old baby ran, as it flapped back and forth! With the neighbor's new [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the beasts who declawed her didn't bother to spay her. Thanks for your > input! This new girl is a very interesting cat. Harriet, one of the two cats at work, was declawed by her original owner(s) who also didn't bother to spay her. We got Harriet when she was 1 1/2 years old, so there was plenty of time for them to do that. Liz |
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