I am facing a real dilemma with a stray cat that hangs out near my
apartment complex. He's part of a local trap-neuter-return program. I
had decided to adopt him because some of the people who live here hate
cats and have made threats to harm them. He likes people so I figured
he'd be the easiest target for these psychos. On Dec 18th, I'm leaving
this town and moving back home with my parents to work work part-time
and search for a job. They have 9 cats so we always test any new cats
for contagious disease. Unfortunately the vet called me and told me
this little guy is positive for FIV. My parents feel it is just too
risky to put him in the household with the others, who are indoors
only but not declawed. There are frequent skirmishes and the sight of
blood is not unusual. Just last week one ended up at the vet with a
deep bite wound. I know this disease isn't easily transmitted, but
even though their 9 cats are neutered, they are still a very rowdy
bunch.
Does anyone know of a no-kill shelter that would take this cat? (I'm
in eastern NC but would drive out of state if I had to). Does anyone
know of an individual who has another FIV+ cat that could possibly
take him? Also, is there a chance that the test was wrong? It was a
quick test (ELISA ??) ... could it have given a false positive? He's
at least 2 years old according to people who've lived here longer than
me, and as far as I know was not given the FIV vaccine. I think the
trap-neuter-return people just gave the most basic shots. I cried most
of Thanksgiving about this. I just wish I weren't moving home, but
it's an economic necessity. I can't have pets in this apartment, so I
had to just put him back out in his favorite mulch bed. He seems happy
now, but the thought of him ending up cold, sick, and alone just kills
me. The thought of him being abused is even worse ...
Does anyone have any ideas? I don't want to give up on him. Right now,
he looks so completely healthy that I could not bear to have him
euthanized, especially since I've heard that FIV is something many
cats can live normal lifespans with. Many never develop devastating
full-blown AIDS like humans as long as they're indoors and well cared
for, right??
Thanks,
Sheri
Kalyahna - 01 Dec 2003 05:13 GMT
Unfortunately the vet called me and told me
> this little guy is positive for FIV.
>
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> at least 2 years old according to people who've lived here longer than
> me, and as far as I know was not given the FIV vaccine.
As far as I know, FIV tests are pretty sure-fire once the cat is beyond 6
months. It's always a good idea to get it done a second time, just to be
sure (as false positives do happen).
You can call your local shelter or aspca and see if they know of any
sanctuaries in your area, or even call the shelter or spca in a larger city
to ask, as they likely have a larger network of contacts. There are also
"last chance" places that often go case by case on the animals they take,
and a shelter in your area should have a number for a place like that as
well. The only sanctuary for FIV and FeLV+ cats I know of is in Michigan.
Charles M - 01 Dec 2003 13:30 GMT
> Unfortunately the vet called me and told me
>> this little guy is positive for FIV.
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> months. It's always a good idea to get it done a second time, just to be
> sure (as false positives do happen).
Huh, is this what you meant to say? Do you mean, test are "sure-fire" or
"false positves do happen"? Can't be both.
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Yngver - 01 Dec 2003 18:25 GMT
>> As far as I know, FIV tests are pretty sure-fire once the cat is beyond 6
>> months. It's always a good idea to get it done a second time, just to be
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>
><snip>
The snap test that vets do in office is pretty accurate, but a positive
(especially a weak positive) should be confirmed by an IFA test (sent out to a
lab). Some cats do fight off the infection; the shelter I'm involved with tests
all FIV positive cats every six months to make sure they are still positive.
Kalyahna - 02 Dec 2003 00:06 GMT
> > As far as I know, FIV tests are pretty sure-fire once the cat is beyond 6
> > months. It's always a good idea to get it done a second time, just to be
> > sure (as false positives do happen).
>
> Huh, is this what you meant to say? Do you mean, test are "sure-fire" or
> "false positves do happen"? Can't be both.
Actually, I meant what I wrote. The tests are "pretty" sure-fire. Which
leaves room for the false positives that do happen.
Karen - 01 Dec 2003 05:53 GMT
> I am facing a real dilemma with a stray cat that hangs out near my
> apartment complex. He's part of a local trap-neuter-return program. I
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>
> Sheri
Sheri, the quick test can produce false positives. He should have another
done. Time is a factor though. They can live decent life spans with a good
stress free environment. I don't believe a big move and 9 cats would be too
stress free. When are you moving?
karen
Wendy - 01 Dec 2003 11:13 GMT
Don't know if any of these are close to you or not. Check the link at the
bottom to see if there are any others that might be better for you.
Paws Place
3701 Boiling Spring Road
Winnabow, NC 28479
Phone: 910-845-7297
Paws Place is a non-profit 501(c)3 corporation. We are a No-Kill Shelter,
located at the southeastern coast of North Carolina, in Boiling Spring
Lakes. We rescue stray, abandoned or ill dogs and cats and place them in
forever homes. All animals are neutered or spayed if of age, or are required
to be altered by their new owners as soon as possible. No animal who is
brought to Paws Place is ever PTS. If necessary, they have a home with us
forever.
S.A.F.E. HAVEN FOR CATS
8431-137 GARVEY DRIVE
RALEIGH, NC 27616
Phone: (919) 872-1128
S.A.F.E. HAVEN FOR CATS is the Triangle's only no-kill animal shelter. We
have many wonderful adult cats, teenage cats, extra-special cats, and
kittens (when available) ready for adoption. We are open every weekend for
adoptions, which are based on an application and an interview
Creature Coalition
190 Maple Hollow
Pittsboro, NC 27312
Phone: 919-542-7585
The Creature Coalition is a small and independent not-for-profit animal
rescue group. We have been doing rescue for more than 10 years and have
permanently placed many pets into new and loving homes. We have an active
Sanctuary for the unadoptable, offer our home for retirement of elderly dogs
and cats whose owners can no longer care for them, and we rescue as many
animals as we can from animal shelters. We have a no-kill commitment and no
animal is ever turned away due to financial-related health problems. We take
no salaries and receive no grant money--we're just people trying to help
unwanted, abandoned and abused animals in our community.
http://www.petfinder.org/pet.cgi
I am facing a real dilemma with a stray cat that hangs out near my
apartment complex. He's part of a local trap-neuter-return program. I
had decided to adopt him because some of the people who live here hate
cats and have made threats to harm them. He likes people so I figured
he'd be the easiest target for these psychos. On Dec 18th, I'm leaving
this town and moving back home with my parents to work work part-time
and search for a job. They have 9 cats so we always test any new cats
for contagious disease. Unfortunately the vet called me and told me
this little guy is positive for FIV. My parents feel it is just too
risky to put him in the household with the others, who are indoors
only but not declawed. There are frequent skirmishes and the sight of
blood is not unusual. Just last week one ended up at the vet with a
deep bite wound. I know this disease isn't easily transmitted, but
even though their 9 cats are neutered, they are still a very rowdy
bunch.
Does anyone know of a no-kill shelter that would take this cat? (I'm
in eastern NC but would drive out of state if I had to). Does anyone
know of an individual who has another FIV+ cat that could possibly
take him? Also, is there a chance that the test was wrong? It was a
quick test (ELISA ??) ... could it have given a false positive? He's
at least 2 years old according to people who've lived here longer than
me, and as far as I know was not given the FIV vaccine. I think the
trap-neuter-return people just gave the most basic shots. I cried most
of Thanksgiving about this. I just wish I weren't moving home, but
it's an economic necessity. I can't have pets in this apartment, so I
had to just put him back out in his favorite mulch bed. He seems happy
now, but the thought of him ending up cold, sick, and alone just kills
me. The thought of him being abused is even worse ...
Does anyone have any ideas? I don't want to give up on him. Right now,
he looks so completely healthy that I could not bear to have him
euthanized, especially since I've heard that FIV is something many
cats can live normal lifespans with. Many never develop devastating
full-blown AIDS like humans as long as they're indoors and well cared
for, right??
Thanks,
Sheri
Sheri - 01 Dec 2003 16:42 GMT
Thanks for the info. Every shelter I contact is full however. It's
just so discouraging.
Karen, you are right. A household with 9 cats is not a stress-free
environment. The FIV cat is very laid-back however, and I think he
could handle some of the more high strung ones. The reason my parents
and I feel we can't take him is our 2 big male cats that like to play
so rough. Both are biters, and I just feel they'd end up contracting
it and maybe spreading it throughout the household.
If anyone else out there has any ideas, please let me know.
Thanks,
Sheri
Christine Burel - 01 Dec 2003 19:29 GMT
> Thanks for the info. Every shelter I contact is full however. It's
> just so discouraging.
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>
> Sheri
Hi Sheri,
I sent you a private email yesterday re this; if you didn't receive it let
me know.
Christine Burel
Phil P. - 02 Dec 2003 10:28 GMT
Also, is there a chance that the test was wrong? It was a
> quick test (ELISA ??) ... could it have given a false positive?
Yes -- False-positive results are always more common when you're testing for
antibodies to a virus than when you're testing for the antigens. ELISAs FIV
tests aren't 100% specific -- Up to 35% of ELISA positives - both - the
in-house Snap FIV tests *and* the commercial plate ELISA format -are found
to be false when they're retested with the Western blot(immunoblot).
A false-positive is also possible if your vet used whole blood instead of
serum. False-positives can also result from improper processing (especially
inadequate washing), and/or from reactions to one or more components in some
feline vaccines.
You should have your cat retested, *ideally* by the Western blot
(immunoblot). In-house Snaps should be used as screening tests *only*.
Many FIV cats live normal or nearly normal life spans - providing they're
well cared for and protected from other diseases. I can't tell you what to
do in your situation, but I would definitely *not* euthanize an otherwise
healthy cat under *any* circumstances.
Good luck.
Phil.
Sheri - 02 Dec 2003 21:16 GMT
Don't worry, Phil. I definitely will not have him euthanized. He's
been a stray (or I guess I should say part of the trap-neuter-return
program) for at least 2 years and he could probably live many more. He
looks healthier than most cats I've seen in pet shops. A woman who is
a permanent resident here feeds him every night.
He's kind of cautious around me now (he didn't like that cat carrier
much) but I'll do my best to catch him in the next week or so and get
the Western Blot test done. One vet quoted me a price of $75, but it's
worth it to get a more definitive answer on this.
Thanks,
Sheri
Christine Burel - 03 Dec 2003 01:40 GMT
> Don't worry, Phil. I definitely will not have him euthanized. He's
> been a stray (or I guess I should say part of the trap-neuter-return
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>
> Sheri
Sheri, that sounds like a good price to me! The VCA vet I went to charged
about $150 for the same test!
Christine