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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2007tail docking and declawing
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/137778p-122499c.html In the version of this story that ran locally, the lawyer for the breed group said labeling tail docking as cruel was as silly as saying declawing cats is cruel. I guess she doesn't realize that declawing *is* cruel. I hope that this man wins his case because it may open the door to similar rulings about whether declawing falls under state animal cruelty laws. >From: yngver@aol.comnospam (Yngver) >http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/137778p-122499c.html > >In the version of this story that ran locally, the lawyer for the breed group >said labeling tail docking as cruel was as silly as saying declawing cats is >cruel. >I guess she doesn't realize that declawing *is* cruel. I hope that this man >wins his case because it may open the door to similar rulings about whether >declawing falls under state animal cruelty laws. I hope he wins too. I could never understand why these people think it appropriate to cut dog's ears and tails to fit some "standard." Animal mutilation definitely needs to be banned :( Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>From: yngver@aol.comnospam (Yngver) > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >appropriate to cut dog's ears and tails to fit some "standard." Animal >mutilation definitely needs to be banned :( I'm with you for non-sporting breeds (ie, Dobie, Rottie, etc), but after I saw an undocked Springer Spaniel after a day of hunting in the dense brush, I changed my mind about docking for sporting breeds. The poor boy's tail was beaten bloody, with tatters of skin hanging off. He was of course rushed to the vet, and ended up having his tail amputated because of the damage. Hunting dogs just get so into what they are doing that they don't notice that they are smacking their poor tails into shreds. I know, you'd think the pain would stop them, but it doesn't. Orchid Orchid's Kitties: http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Orchid's Guide: http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >From: neko@ascendancy.net (Orchid) >darnit7@aol.comnolitter (PawsForThought) >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >poor tails into shreds. I know, you'd think the pain would stop them, >but it doesn't. I'd heard about this happening before. I guess in such a case, it's for the animal's own welfare. I wonder how often it happens to hunting dogs? Do you have any idea? ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>From: neko@ascendancy.net (Orchid) >> I'm with you for non-sporting breeds (ie, Dobie, Rottie, etc), >>but after I saw an undocked Springer Spaniel after a day of hunting in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >animal's own welfare. I wonder how often it happens to hunting dogs? Do you >have any idea? An undocked brush dog (spaniels, etc) *will* cause serious damage to its tail if allowed to hunt. Most statistics are from the UK, as the ability to dock has been seriously threatened there. You can find photos of tail damage here: http://www.cdb.org/ WARNING -- THE PHOTOS ON THIS SITE ARE GRAPHIC. That site also has a lot of very good information regarding the procedure, pain experienced by the puppies, and why it needs to be done. They also have a video of a docking procedure so you can, if you wish, see for yourself how little it affects the puppies. Orchid Orchid's Kitties: http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Orchid's Guide: http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >From: neko@ascendancy.net (Orchid) >>>From: neko@ascendancy.net (Orchid) > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >done. They also have a video of a docking procedure so you can, if >you wish, see for yourself how little it affects the puppies. Thanks for the information. I'll take your word on the video though :) ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm hiya , just to show the other side of the argument :) Anti-docking Alliance: http://www.anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/page_9.htm Lots of tail injuries also happen in dogs that are kennelled including greyhounds. Alison Pro-docking : http://www.cdb.org/ > >>From: neko@ascendancy.net (Orchid) > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Orchid's Kitties: http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage > Orchid's Guide: http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >From: "Alison" alison@XallofusX2.fsnet.co.uk >hiya , > just to show the other side of the argument :) >Anti-docking Alliance: >http://www.anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/page_9.htm Interesting. I wonder what their policies are on declawing? ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm "PawsForThought" <darnit7@aol.comnolitter> wrote in message > >Anti-docking Alliance: > >http://www.anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/page_9.htm > > Interesting. I wonder what their policies are on declawing? > ________ It's not an issue in the UK nor is ear cropping and de-barking . I think the anti-dock would be heartily against declawing . Alison >From: "Alison" alison@XallofusX2.fsnet.co.uk >"PawsForThought" <darnit7@aol.comnolitter> wrote in message > >>Anti-docking Alliance: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I think the anti-dock would be heartily against declawing . > Alison I wish it was a non-issue here too :( Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>From: "Alison" alison@XallofusX2.fsnet.co.uk > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html >Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm I live in the UK and know lots of people who have lots of cats. I had never heard of de-clawing till I joined this newsgroup. At first I thought it was some sick joke by a trol. Now, well, I'm absolutely incredulous that any sane person can advocate this barbaric and in-humane practice. It really does beggar belief! Lindsey >From: Ellie Pea elliepea@hotmail.com >>>From: "Alison" alison@XallofusX2.fsnet.co.uk >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Lindsey I sure wish it was that way here in the U.S. What is even more mind boggling is that vets, who are supposed to care about the health and welfare of animals, can actually amputate the ends of a cat's toes with nary a thought. So long as they make money off of it, I guess they just don't care :( Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm (...) > I sure wish it was that way here in the U.S. What is even more mind boggling > is that vets, who are supposed to care about the health and welfare of > animals, can actually amputate the ends of a cat's toes with nary a > thought. Elsewhere on the Magical InterWeb, I stumbled upon the usual declawing arguments, when one person threw in a new variable: He/she claimed that they had their cat declawed via laser surgery; not the usual amputation using a laser, but laser surgery that actually removes only the claw. I thought this sounded unlikely, but it seems that it may be so (http://www.laserdeclaw.com/technical.html). Comments? Steve. | not the usual amputation using a laser, but laser surgery that | actually removes only the claw. | | I thought this sounded unlikely, but it seems that it may be so | (http://www.laserdeclaw.com/technical.html). Sounds bogus to me. That is, the idea of "just scraping out the claw" is *not* new. It has been tried before, and it was abandoned in favor of amputation, because there's *no* reliable way to tell where the bone tissue "ends" and the claw tissue "begins". So, whether one scrapes with scalpels or with lasers makes no real difference: the claw will grow back out, almost invariably deformed. Doing this with lasers is most likely just a new technique to reinvent an old problem. Give it a couple of years for the negative reports to pile up. (...) > Doing this with lasers is most likely just a new technique to reinvent > an old problem. Give it a couple of years for the negative reports to > pile up. I don't know whether to hope that'll be the case, or hope it'll not be so. Steve. >From: news@stevethepsycho.co.uk (Steve G) >(...) >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Steve. Of course I'm not a vet, but this sounds like crap to me. The claw is so closely adhered to the bone, that I find it impossible to believe that they could just remove the claw. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > Of course I'm not a vet, but this sounds like crap to me. The claw is so > closely adhered to the bone, that I find it impossible to believe that they > could just remove the claw. Isn't there another type of declawing that doesn't even remove the claws? I vaguely remember asking a question about it here a few years ago. Something about tendons being snipped so the claws can't extend and retract (or whatever it is they do). The cats can't "claw" at things, but the owners still have to snip their nails. Still a lousy option, but some really believe it's humane. As an aside, someone here once mentioned removing their cats' nail sheaths from their scratching post. I've been examining my cat's scratching post, but can't find anything. Anyone know what to look for? I just wanted to see what they looked like. rona  Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** > Isn't there another type of declawing that doesn't even remove the claws? I > vaguely remember asking a question about it here a few years ago. Something > about tendons being snipped so the claws can't extend and retract (or > whatever it is they do). The cats can't "claw" at things, but the owners > still have to snip their nails. Still a lousy option, but some really > believe it's humane. Tendonectomy, IIRC. And the owner better be great about clipping the claws, because the cat can no longer claw to remove the sheath. They can grow all the way around and through the pad. I have also heard arthritis listed as a side-effect, but have no stats or anything on how common it is. > As an aside, someone here once mentioned removing their cats' nail sheaths > from their scratching post. I've been examining my cat's scratching post, > but can't find anything. Anyone know what to look for? I just wanted to > see what they looked like. I never find any, but I clip the kids claws, so that almost always takes the sheath with it. The sheaths just look like dead nail bits. -- ~kaeli~ A plateau is a high form of flattery. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace >From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net >Tendonectomy, IIRC. >And the owner better be great about clipping the claws, because the cat >can no longer claw to remove the sheath. They can grow all the way >around and through the pad. >I have also heard arthritis listed as a side-effect, but have no stats >or anything on how common it is. Here's a bit of info on it: This was in the 1997 veterinary textbook "Small Animal Surgery" by Theresa Welch Fossum, DVM, MS, PhD (Associate Professor and Chief of Surgery, Dept. of Small Animal Medicine and Surgery, College of Veterinary Medicine, Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas): Under "Deep Digital Flexor Tendonectomy", it states in part: "The deep digital flexor tendon inserts on the flexor process of the third phalanx and is needed to flex the phalanx....Hemorrhage, infection, and lameness may occur post-operatively. Tendonectomy of the superficial digital flexor (which inserts on the proximal aspect of P2 [the second phalanx] instead of the deep digital flexor results in an abnormal flat-footed stance. Problems may include interphalangeal joint immobility, fibrosis, pain, and claw ingrowth into the digital pads. Cats may require onychectomy to relieve clinical signs...." In the section titled "Postoperative Care and Complications" of Onychectomy (Declawing)t: "Complications (i.e. pain, hemorrhage, pad damage, lameness, swelling, infection, claw regrowth, second phalanx protrusion, and palmagrade stance) occur in 50% of patients. Cutting the digital pads prolongs postoperative pain and lameness..." Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > This was in the 1997 veterinary textbook "Small Animal Surgery" by Theresa > Welch Fossum, DVM, MS, PhD (Associate Professor [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm Eek! No matter what anyone says, there's nothing humane in that at all! I should print that up and see if my local humane society will post it. Maybe getting permission from the author might be a good idea, first. My hs does not promote any form of declawing, but they don't actively deter it, either. When I got my cat they gave a little spiel about how they don't recommend declawing, and that training cats to use scratching posts is a much better idea, but they aren't aggressive enough about it. I think they should put up pictures of declaws and tendonectomies gone bad, along with highlights of studies showing the negatives. Come to think of it, I wonder if my vet would do that... rona Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** >> Of course I'm not a vet, but this sounds like crap to me. The claw is so >> closely adhered to the bone, that I find it impossible to believe that [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >rona They look like hollow claws. My first kitty is 3 now and the first time I spotted one on the floor I thought 'ooooooooooooohmygodohmygodthecatlostaclaw!!!!!!!!' and immediately woke her up to inspect her paws...much to her disgust! I'm more calm about these thing now ;o) >From: news@stevethepsycho.co.uk (Steve G) >I thought this sounded unlikely, but it seems that it may be so >(http://www.laserdeclaw.com/technical.html). BTW, if anyone wants to email this "wonderful" vet, here's his information. I just sent him a nice note: For more technical and licensing information, please contact Dr. Young directly. Dr. William P. Young 11875 Pickerington Road Pickerington, OH 43147 Phone: 614-837-6665 Fax: 614-837-6692 Email: laserdeclaw@aol.com ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: news@stevethepsycho.co.uk (Steve G) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > BTW, if anyone wants to email this "wonderful" vet, here's his information. > I just sent him a nice note: And here's a follow up question: If this technique *does* do what it says on the tin (i.e., it does just remove the claw), what arguments do you think would remain against declawing? (I know my argument, but I don't think it would be generally persuasive). Steve. > Elsewhere on the Magical InterWeb, I stumbled upon the usual declawing > arguments, when one person threw in a new variable: He/she claimed [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Comments? Hi Steve, This is not a new variable nor is this a new procedure removing "only the claw". The claw is a part of the distal phalanx or terminal phalanx (also called P3) which is the last toe bone. To ensure that there is no claw regrowth, either a part of the distal phalanx or the entire distal phalanx is removed (amputated/disarticulated). These are the two methods used in declawing, regardless of the cutting instrument used. I phoned and spoke to Dr. Young (from your posted site above) who confirmed that his laser method indeed removes the entire distal phalanx. When I explained that the statements on the web site do not make this at all clear, he said he would be willing to include this information. While he stated that he does not encourage declawing, he said that he encourages owners who want to declaw to do so at the time of neutering. This just confirms, yet again, that declawing is usually not done "as a last resort" (it never is a last resort, there are always humane options) as claimed by many North American veterinarians who try to justify it, but is a common and in some clinics, sadly, a routine procedure. Thus, even the ethical guidelines (and they are only guidelines) of the AVMA (American Veterinary Medical Association) and the CVMA (Canadian), which state that declawing is justifiable when the cat cannot be trained (AVMA) or when a cat risks losing a home or is facing euthanasia (CVMA), are obviously ignored by their own members. As most here know, I am absolutely opposed to elective declawing (done for other than medical necessity of the patient). It carries unnecessary risks; it is most often performed before scratching has even become a "problem" and before a kitten is given a chance to learn to use "acceptable" scratching areas; it deprives cats of a clearly pleasurable activity and of something that is so characteristic to their being and which serves numerous significant functions; it changes cats' gaits, balance, and their ability to grip and change directions suddenly when running as well as their ability to jump and grip for stability; and it is done solely for the convenience or benefit of third parties, not the patient. There are numerous non-surgical options available, used successfully worldwide in millions of households, which include training, nail-clipping, and the provision of feline-friendly, stimulating environments. I have researched declawing for several years and no matter how declawing is described and what method is used, elective declawing is, in my view, always an ethically and medically indefensible surgical procedure. I hope this is helpful. M. >Steve. >From: "cmtowle" cmtowle@shaw.ca >I phoned and spoke to Dr. Young (from your posted site above) who confirmed >that his laser method indeed removes the entire distal phalanx. When I >explained that the statements on the web site do not make this at all clear, >he said he would be willing to include this information. I'll believe that when I see it. From the way his site promotes declawing, I doubt he's going to change anything, unfortunately <sigh> Good for you for calling him and thanks for posting his response. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: "cmtowle" cmtowle@shaw.ca > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'll believe that when I see it. From the way his site promotes declawing, I > doubt he's going to change anything, unfortunately <sigh> It remains to be seen. There is so much on the site leading people to believe that his is an entirely different procedure than "conventional" as well as other laser declawing that I don't hold out much hope for honest clarity either. > Good for you for calling him and thanks for posting his response. You are very welcome. M. "There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest". Elie Wiesel > Lauren > ________ > See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe > Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > > Elsewhere on the Magical InterWeb, I stumbled upon the usual declawing > > arguments, when one person threw in a new variable: He/she claimed [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > explained that the statements on the web site do not make this at all clear, > he said he would be willing to include this information. Pffft! Don't hold your breath. If the guy didn't make it clear what he was doing on the website in the first place, it is highly unlikely that he will make it any more clear in the future. Vets cannot afford for the truth about declawing to become common knowledge. -L. >>>From: "Alison" alison@XallofusX2.fsnet.co.uk >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Lindsey I've not come across anything on t'net about cats born without claws. Has anyone else? My boy Charlie has 3 toes each on his front paws and doesn't have any claws, there are some stumps but some toes have nothing. 1 of his sisters is syndactyly with fused claws coming out of her single toe on one front paw and 2 claws coming out of her single toe on the other foot. His other sister, who sadly died at 48 hrs, had 3 normal looking toes on her front paws. J >hiya , > just to show the other side of the argument :) >Anti-docking Alliance: >http://www.anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/page_9.htm I checked it out, and I have to admit, I wasn't impressed. There were no cites to back their claim that the real reason for tail docking was aesthetic preference, and precious little scientific discussion. > Lots of tail injuries also happen in dogs that are kennelled >including greyhounds. This is true, but it's not to the point where the *majority* of dogs in a breed suffer catastrophic tail injuries. An undocked Springer Spaniel that is allowed to do what it was bred to do *will* damage its tail badly, and it's likely to damage it badly enough that it has to go through the major surgery of tail amputation at an older age. Isn't it better to do when the dog's bones are still soft and it doesn't have a developed nervous system? Let me specify that I only support docking in the sporting dog breeds, where the docking still serves a definable purpose. I think aesthetic docking is stupid. Orchid Orchid's Kitties: http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Orchid's Guide: http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >That site also has a lot of very good information regarding >the procedure, pain experienced by the puppies, and why it needs to be >done. They also have a video of a docking procedure so you can, if >you wish, see for yourself how little it affects the puppies. Just to clarify, the person bringing suit in the tail docking case is not arguing against tail docking per se. His argument is that if he shows his dog with other dogs of the same breed that have docked tails, his dog should not be penalized because its tail is not docked. He just wants the AKC to stop deducting points for dogs without docked tails. I also assume that show dogs do not do a lot of hunting in which an undocked tail could be damaged. >Just to clarify, the person bringing suit in the tail docking case is not >arguing against tail docking per se. His argument is that if he shows his dog >with other dogs of the same breed that have docked tails, his dog should not be >penalized because its tail is not docked. He just wants the AKC to stop >deducting points for dogs without docked tails. I also assume that show dogs do >not do a lot of hunting in which an undocked tail could be damaged. It depends on the breeder -- some believe strongly in dual-titling their dogs (both field trials and conformation) and some actually work their dogs. Both field trials and actual work carry the risk to tails. While I can see the desire to have a tailed dog not penalised, it could be argued that there's no way to judge a full tail on a traditionally docked breed. What should the proper tailset be? What should the tail look like? How should it be carried? There are no rules for it in the breed standard, and the only way to add them to the breed standard is for the breed club to change and ratify a new standard by putting it to a vote of all the members. >>Just to clarify, the person bringing suit in the tail docking case is not >>arguing against tail docking per se. His argument is that if he shows his [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >the breed standard is for the breed club to change and ratify a new >standard by putting it to a vote of all the members. I believe that is the intent of the man who brought suit. The suit is against both the AKC and the breed club. It was the breed club lawyer who made the stupid remark: "that would be like declaring that it's cruel to declaw a cat." > I'm with you for non-sporting breeds (ie, Dobie, Rottie, etc), > but after I saw an undocked Springer Spaniel after a day of hunting in > the dense brush, I changed my mind about docking for sporting breeds. They can really injure their tails. I do wonder, though, why hunters don't come up with some sort of protective gear for the tail instead of cutting it off. Right now, the best option *is* docking if the dog is used for hunting, but it seems to me that there should be another option. If a horse banged up its legs, they'd put on leg wraps, not cut them off. I stub my toes a lot. I wouldn't want them removed. I'd want to wear shoes. *LOL* It just makes me wonder if the real problem isn't a lack of respect for the dog, not really something that is in the dog's best interests. As for declawing, well, we know that doesn't do a damn thing for the cat, so it isn't even comparable. -- ~kaeli~ A man's home is his castle..., in a manor of speaking. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace >> I'm with you for non-sporting breeds (ie, Dobie, Rottie, etc), >> but after I saw an undocked Springer Spaniel after a day of hunting in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >off. I stub my toes a lot. I wouldn't want them removed. I'd want to >wear shoes. *LOL* Well, they've tried wrapping tails in the UK and Europe -- unfortunately, the wraps get caught in the heavy brush. If the wrap is thin enough that it doesn't get caught, it gets shredded along with the tails. Orchid Orchid's Kitties: http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Orchid's Guide: http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >From: neko@ascendancy.net (Orchid) > Well, they've tried wrapping tails in the UK and Europe -- >unfortunately, the wraps get caught in the heavy brush. If the wrap >is thin enough that it doesn't get caught, it gets shredded along with >the tails. How about some kind of doggie pants, or doggie diaper, where the tail would be kept inside the pants? Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > Well, they've tried wrapping tails in the UK and Europe -- > unfortunately, the wraps get caught in the heavy brush. If the wrap > is thin enough that it doesn't get caught, it gets shredded along with > the tails. Kevlar? Just a thought. -- ~kaeli~ Persons disagreeing with facts are always emotional and employ faulty reasoning. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/137778p-122499c.html > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > wins his case because it may open the door to similar rulings about whether > declawing falls under state animal cruelty laws. He's not going to win because technically he can still compete with an undocked dog. He doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning, but nobody will ever admit to that. -L.
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