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Governor George Liquor - 18 Nov 2003 19:50 GMT I've always wondered about this, but the rash of negative postings over the last day or two (the Clay Aiken quote, the Portland trapper, et cetera) has prodded me into posting. Why is it, or what is it about them, that elicits such strongly negative reactions from those that don't like cats?
I've had Jack for nine months now, and Rizzo for almost six, and in that time I've been, at times, insufferable (though no more so than a new parent or grandparent) about showing picutres of and talking about them. Most people are interested, and some are bemused. A significant minority has expressed with great virtiol how much they hate cats. These are otherwise rational, or even enlightened, people, but when I mention my cats I get a viscerally negative reaction. Some have even told me with disturbing enthusaism how they like to physically abuse cats. In my own experience, people that don't like dogs or other domestic animals may just grimace or grunt, or ingore the subject. People that say they "hate" dogs usually suffered through having a loud or destructive dog nearby, and generally don't mean dogs actual, physical harm. Cat haters seem to delight in recounting the individual tortures they've visited on hapless cats. A recent local instance where a dog was physically abused garnered much greater television coverage, police response, and citizen outrage than two more gruesome instances of cat abuse combined.
J1Boss - 18 Nov 2003 20:10 GMT someone wrote:
>I've always wondered about this, but the rash of negative postings over the >last day or two (the Clay Aiken quote, the Portland trapper, et cetera) has >prodded me into posting. Why is it, or what is it about them, that elicits >such strongly negative reactions from those that don't like cats? I've never figured it out, expect maybe those people are just horrified that these feline beings are just so much smarter than they are! ;-D
My MIL claimed to not like cats. Mostly, it turned out she didn't trust them and didn't seem to know how to interact with them (and watch out for them!). She spends time here (visits are weeks or months since she lives far away), cooing over "her" cat, buying her toys, etc. My other cat hasn't won her over yet. the first time she visited after I got him, she opened a hinged desk and he put his paw up and got it stuck. She didn't know how to help him, wound up pinching it more and he hissed and spit at her as a result. She is wary of him now, although last visit was better. She's coming for 5 weeks soon, so I know he'll have her wrapped around his paw before long!
I think people don't know how to read cats and that's where they think they're sneaky or evil. I prefer "crafty" and "creative"! The people who really piss me off are parents who don't correct their kids for harrassing cats (or dog owners who don't correct their dogs!). Why on earth are they passing along the hatred?
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kaeli - 18 Nov 2003 20:44 GMT > I've always wondered about this, but the rash of negative postings over the > last day or two (the Clay Aiken quote, the Portland trapper, et cetera) has > prodded me into posting. Why is it, or what is it about them, that elicits > such strongly negative reactions from those that don't like cats? Because many people hate what they don't understand. Others hate what they can't control.
IME, cat haters dislike cats because they don't "do as they're told", "are sneaky", or other inherent characteristics of cats that disagree with the person's perceived superiority over life in general.
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Alison - 18 Nov 2003 21:11 GMT > Because many people hate what they don't understand. > Others hate what they can't control. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > ~kaeli~ and they're also mysterious and sometimes you can't tell what they are thinking. Alison
Joe Canuck - 18 Nov 2003 21:40 GMT >>Because many people hate what they don't understand. >>Others hate what they can't control. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > are thinking. > Alison I can tell what my cat is dreaming about when she twitches... about me filling her food bowl. :-)
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Mary - 18 Nov 2003 22:52 GMT > > I've always wondered about this, but the rash of negative postings over the > > last day or two (the Clay Aiken quote, the Portland trapper, et cetera) has [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Because many people hate what they don't understand. > Others hate what they can't control. [snip more great stuff] Great answer, Kaeli!
Jeremy Lowe - 18 Nov 2003 20:53 GMT Cats display a tendency as per some people, to be aloof and very independent. Many people that I have met that "hate" cats really can't cope well with the fact they can't dominate or control a cat like they can many other pets. As a result some people have adopted the mindset that cats can't be trained and thus are not suitable pets.
Look at the personality of a "cat hater" and you may find that they display the same personality that they find annoying in cats. Go figure!
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> I've always wondered about this, but the rash of negative postings over the > last day or two (the Clay Aiken quote, the Portland trapper, et cetera) has [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > greater television coverage, police response, and citizen outrage than two > more gruesome instances of cat abuse combined. Diane L. Schirf - 19 Nov 2003 02:18 GMT > Cats display a tendency as per some people, to be aloof and very > independent. The same control freaks can't stand people who are independent, either. (Trust me, I've met more than my share.)
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Joe Canuck - 18 Nov 2003 21:04 GMT I'd say the contrary... the vast majority of people love cats given the numbers of people who accept them into their homes.
As for why certain people dislike cats, here are likely as many reasons for that as their are people.
-Previous bad experiences with cats. ie: one woman I know was attacked by a cat for no visible reason which left her with a mangled arm. -Allergies, many have severe allergies to furry animals. -Cats being independant and somewhat aloof in nature. -etc -etc
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Katra - 19 Nov 2003 08:31 GMT > I'd say the contrary... the vast majority of people love cats given the > numbers of people who accept them into their homes. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > -Joe Canuck Imho, cat haters are usually control freaks. They can be either male or female.
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m. L. Briggs - 18 Nov 2003 22:15 GMT >I've always wondered about this, but the rash of negative postings over the >last day or two (the Clay Aiken quote, the Portland trapper, et cetera) has [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >IMHO -- it is because dogs slobber and poop -- because cats scratch and poop -- >I had a neighbor who said cats gave her the "creeps" because of their eyes. I figured she felt they could see through her pretenses. I'll bet most of them never think of who had to clean up after them when they were babies. Then again there are people who don't like babies. As for those who torture animals, well, I think they are mental cases that have not as yet been diagnosed.
Mary - 18 Nov 2003 22:51 GMT > I've always wondered about this, but the rash of negative postings over the > last day or two (the Clay Aiken quote, the Portland trapper, et cetera) has > prodded me into posting. Why is it, or what is it about them, that elicits > such strongly negative reactions from those that don't like cats? I think it is basic insecurity. Cats are independent, mysterious, slinky and agile and full of surprises. Dog people generally love the slobber-all-over-you stuff that dogs do, and enjoy a big dumb creature bumbling after them all the time like they are God, feeding their fragile egos.
Don't get me wrong--I love dogs, too, but from afar. While I love puppy breath, dog breath and dog drool and the smell of a dog that needs a bath just doesn't do it for me. I love everything about cats.
In the larger picture, anyone who would hurt any animal, let alone a helpless domesticated animal is just a sociopath who should be confined and kept away from all creatures he or she might hurt until they die and go to that special place in hell reserved just for them.
Flippy - 18 Nov 2003 22:56 GMT > I've always wondered about this, but the rash of negative postings over the > last day or two (the Clay Aiken quote, the Portland trapper, et cetera) has > prodded me into posting. Why is it, or what is it about them, that elicits > such strongly negative reactions from those that don't like cats? I've always thought that people who hate cats have "control" issues. They can't control cats like they do dogs so they loathe them. Personally, I love the fact that cats are so independent and that they have their own mind.
My sister used to have a boyfriend who once threatened to "kick" my cats if they went near him. I was astounded that he would make such a threat in my mother's house (I was living with her for a few months). If he was in MY house I would have asked him to leave immediately and never come back. Thank goodness the relationship didn't last. I don't trust people who profess to "hate" cats.
I would never become involved romantically with someone who didn't like cats. Cats are a part of my life, and to be with me means to be with my cats too.
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elaine rene - 19 Nov 2003 01:42 GMT > > I've always wondered about this, but the rash of negative postings over > the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I've always thought that people who hate cats have "control" issues. They > can't control cats like they do dogs so they loathe them. Yes, I have noticed that it is mostly that with people who do not like cats. I also tend to trust those that love cats, because it tells me about the individual that he/she knows how to let go and let live. That does not include though those who like to "possess" cats like objects.. and they are many.
Elaine
Liz - 19 Nov 2003 00:49 GMT Perhaps because cats were associated with witches (evil) during the middle ages according to the Catholic Church? Just an idea.
Diane L. Schirf - 19 Nov 2003 02:17 GMT > Why is it, or what is it about them, that elicits > such strongly negative reactions from those that don't like cats? I figure they hate the world if they can't enjoy a natural part of it. Themselves included.
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-L. - 19 Nov 2003 06:35 GMT > I've always wondered about this, but the rash of negative postings over the > last day or two (the Clay Aiken quote, the Portland trapper, et cetera) has > prodded me into posting. Why is it, or what is it about them, that elicits > such strongly negative reactions from those that don't like cats? The people I know who hate cats have never been around them.
As for why someone would want to harm a cat just because they don't like it - that's just psychopathic, IMO.
-L.
Laura R. - 23 Nov 2003 18:18 GMT circa Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:50:03 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Governor George Liquor (georgeliquor@winos.org) said,
> Why is it, or what is it about them, that elicits > such strongly negative reactions from those that don't like cats? I sometimes think that one of the (irrational) reasons that some people don't like cats is because they are so efficiently, ferally beautiful. People who love cats see the "cute" features of cats but also are capable of appreciating the purely predatory nature of a cat's physique and the predatory aspects of a cat's behavior. Cat lovers can appreciate the astounding evolutional purity that makes cats so well-built for what they are.
Cats don't look anything like people. Their eyes look like the eyes of no other creature on the planet except for snakes. Cats' expressions come much less from their eyes than from all of their other parts (despite the feeling of most of us who love cats that their eyes are very expressive). The reality is, aside from the degree of openness of their eyes and the length of their stares, cats' expressions come more from their ears, their whiskers, their tails and their body positions.
By contrast, dogs have those little "eyebrow" muscles above their round, more similar to human, eyes. A dog can look like a sad sack simply because his brows are furrowed. Cats rarely look like a sad sack. Cats almost always look somehow predatory, even when they're completely blissed out.
Dogs can't "sneak up" on people. They're inherently noisy. Dogs less often look like predatory creatures than like goofy galoots. Dogs tend to be incapable of silent, focused attention outside of devotion.
Cats are built to be predators. They can move silently and seem to appear out of nowhere. They can focus on a target for minutes at a time without moving a muscle. Cats can _wait_ for the perfect moment to pounce rather than relying on sheer physicality to obtain their targets.
Cats do not need constant guidance from their alphas to know how to behave- in fact, they don't have alphas. Cats have peers and complex hierarchies. Dogs don't.
These are the reasons that I think those who irrationally fear/loathe cats do so. There are people who cannot stand being in the presence of any living being that is not a sycophant, or who they cannot decipher or control- animal *or* human. In my experience, these are usually the types of people who dislike cats. It's a flaw in their own level of comfort in their own skins, IMO, and speaks more about their characters than many other aspects of their personalities. It may take me a fairly lengthy time to figure out that somebody is an a.shole just by conversing with him, but when somebody professes hatred of cats, he (or she) has just told me volumes about his character.
There is also a difference between people who don't much care for cats and those who actively loathe them. People who are noncommittal about cats usually have never had a cat, or have never had a cat that bonded with them. They've never seen that a cat can be more fiercely affectionate than probably any other creature on earth. They've never learned to "read" a cat's expression or behavior, and because of this, they just don't know what to make of cats. They don't understand that cats can, and do, love. Cats do feel emotions- as cats feel them, not as humans feel them.
People who hate cats have chosen to despise the very features that make cats what they are- lithe, efficient hunters with complex socialization mechanisms and subtle expressions. People who hate cats tend to only like that which they can control or beat into submission- that which they can make "obey". Cats do not obey; they may fear a human, but they do not "obey" a human. People who hate cats tend to have narrow opinions regarding what is beautiful, and what they consider beautiful is generally not something that appears predatory or "different".
I love both dogs and cats, but I love them for what they are, not for what I choose to anthropomorphize onto them. Quite frankly, I think that anthropomorphizing cats (or dogs, for that matter) is insulting the them. Claiming that a cat "understands" English is not only ridiculous, but it displays a complete lack of respect for the fact that cats have their own highly evolved systems of communication.
We should learn to communicate with cats in *their* language, rather than expecting them to adapt to ours. Cats assess us based on the tones of our voices, the positions of our bodies, whether we are standing or prone, whether we are speaking softly or loudly. They don't give a hoot whether we're sweetly cooing, "come here, my stinky-butt little chubba wubba," or whether we're sweetly cooing, "you are so beautiful, my schmookie-pookie little goddess." What concerns them is whether we're speaking sweetly and gazing at them with affectionate expressions- these are the cues they read to determine our intent.
Cats need their humans just as much as dogs do, but for different reasons. Dogs need their humans to take them outside to eliminate waste. Dogs need their humans to tell them when to eat, and when to sleep. Dogs need their humans to "lead" them, and to indicate how they should behave. Cats need their humans for primarily voluntary reasons- cats do not rely on human cues to determine their actions. Cats expect humans to bring them pleasure, not to bring them rules for their behavior.
And this, I believe, is why some people hate cats. Some people hate that which they cannot control, while others appreciate things for what they *are*. It's not even really a "control freak" thing- I'm a control freak in a lot of my life, but not when it comes to my cats. I'm a control freak in the aspects of my life that I feel I should be able to control, and I do not feel it is my place to control any other living thing (although I sometimes have a hard time remembering that when it comes to other people).
Oh, and people who hate *all* animals? Sociopaths.
My two cents,
Laura
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Mary - 23 Nov 2003 20:31 GMT > circa Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:50:03 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Governor George Liquor (georgeliquor@winos.org) said, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > sack. Cats almost always look somehow predatory, even when they're > completely blissed out. [snip]
> My two cents, > > Laura All very astute.
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