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PawsForThought - 18 Nov 2003 17:59 GMT
I don't know if this is true or not, but I got this from another board:

http://www.peta.org/feat/triumph/

"PETA: Triumph the Insult Comic Dog Dumps on Clay Aiken in New PETA
Pro-Neutering Ad
The article says:
"Triumph chose to make Clay Aiken the target of his humor in the ad, and PETA
didn’t object because Aiken recently told Rolling Stone, “I think cats are
Satan. There’s nothing worse to me than a house cat. When I was about 16, I
had a kitten and ran over it.” PETA deals with dozens of cases of cruelty to
cats every week and knows firsthand how damaging statements like this can
be—impressionable kids often mimic what their “idols” do. Aiken never
responded when PETA wrote to him."
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Cat Protector - 18 Nov 2003 18:04 GMT
I saw an interview where Aiken said that. He seemed to not feel so bad about
hurting that kitten when he was interviewed. It disgusted me. Aiken may be
talented but a great human being he isn't.

> I don't know if this is true or not, but I got this from another board:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> didn't object because Aiken recently told Rolling Stone, "I think cats are
> Satan. There's nothing worse to me than a house cat. When I was about 16,
I
> had a kitten and ran over it." PETA deals with dozens of cases of cruelty
to
> cats every week and knows firsthand how damaging statements like this can
> be-impressionable kids often mimic what their "idols" do. Aiken never
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
-L. - 18 Nov 2003 23:44 GMT
> I saw an interview where Aiken said that. He seemed to not feel so bad about
> hurting that kitten when he was interviewed. It disgusted me. Aiken may be
> talented but a great human being he isn't.

No, he's a pussy, and I don't mean Pussy Cat.

-L.
Judy F - 18 Nov 2003 20:37 GMT
I just found his web site and posted a pretty mean message! I know it
probably won't mean a thing, but it makes me feel better!
Judy F

> I don't know if this is true or not, but I got this from another board:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> didn't object because Aiken recently told Rolling Stone, "I think cats are
> Satan. There's nothing worse to me than a house cat. When I was about 16,
I
> had a kitten and ran over it." PETA deals with dozens of cases of cruelty
to
> cats every week and knows firsthand how damaging statements like this can
> be-impressionable kids often mimic what their "idols" do. Aiken never
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
Cat Protector - 19 Nov 2003 03:54 GMT
Well it does mean something when you do. I know because of his anti-cat
statements his music won't get airplay on Cat Galaxy. For those who have yet
to see what it is all about, go to www.catgalaxymedia.com.

> I just found his web site and posted a pretty mean message! I know it
> probably won't mean a thing, but it makes me feel better!
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
KellyH - 18 Nov 2003 22:06 GMT
> I don't know if this is true or not, but I got this from another board:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> didn't object because Aiken recently told Rolling Stone, "I think cats are
> Satan. There's nothing worse to me than a house cat. When I was about 16,
I
> had a kitten and ran over it." PETA deals with dozens of cases of cruelty
to
> cats every week and knows firsthand how damaging statements like this can
> be-impressionable kids often mimic what their "idols" do. Aiken never
> responded when PETA wrote to him."
> ________

What an a.shole.

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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 18 Nov 2003 23:34 GMT
> I don't know if this is true or not, but I got this from another board:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> didn't object because Aiken recently told Rolling Stone, "I think cats are
> Satan. There's nothing worse to me than a house cat. When I was about 16,
I
> had a kitten and ran over it." PETA deals with dozens of cases of cruelty
to
> cats every week and knows firsthand how damaging statements like this can
> be-impressionable kids often mimic what their "idols" do. Aiken never
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

I remember watching another different interview where he also mentions his
fear of cats.  IIRC, he did not intentionally run over his kitten--it was an
accident.  He would not get another cat after that event.

That being said, I would not consider a short quotation taken out of context
as absolute truth nor would I make rash judgments about someone for the
same.

rona (not a necessarily a fan of Clay Aiken, but definitely a fan of knowing
the whole truth)
Karen - 19 Nov 2003 01:08 GMT
>> I don't know if this is true or not, but I got this from another board:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> rona (not a necessarily a fan of Clay Aiken, but definitely a fan of knowing
> the whole truth)

I'm with you Rona in that, to go out of his way to be mean seems vastly
different than the rest of his life choices. I wonder what the truth is.

Karen
Cat Protector - 19 Nov 2003 03:57 GMT
No, he did in fact says cats were Satan and he did mention his dislike of
cats. I saw an interview with him when he said that.

"Karen" <kchuplis@alltelPOP.netGOAWAY> wrote in message news:BBE01DD1.B375%
> I'm with you Rona in that, to go out of his way to be mean seems vastly
> different than the rest of his life choices. I wonder what the truth is.
>
> Karen
Karen - 19 Nov 2003 04:48 GMT
> No, he did in fact says cats were Satan and he did mention his dislike of
> cats. I saw an interview with him when he said that.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>
>> Karen

Well *saying* cats are Satan and purposely running over a kitten are two
different things.

Karen
Cat Protector - 19 Nov 2003 04:50 GMT
Well the Aiken the cat hater will have one less radio station playing his
music. Never upset the felines especially when they are management at a
station geared towards cats.

"Karen" <kchuplis@alltelPOP.netGOAWAY> wrote in message news:BBE05185.B45B%
> Well *saying* cats are Satan and purposely running over a kitten are two
> different things.
>
> Karen
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 19 Nov 2003 05:05 GMT
<piggy-backing>

> > No, he did in fact says cats were Satan and he did mention his dislike of
> > cats. I saw an interview with him when he said that.

I never said he didn't say cats were Satan or that he didn't dislike cats.
I specifically referred to the comment about running over his kitten.  What
was originally posted (the PETA quip) implied that he did so intentionally
and as I recall from the interview I saw, this was not true.  From what I
remember, he was quite traumatized by the incident and that is one of the
reasons he never owned another cat.

> Well *saying* cats are Satan and purposely running over a kitten are two
> different things.
>
> Karen

Very different, but not everyone can see that.  Sometimes I say my cat is a
"fatso catso," but that doesn't mean I hate her and would run her over
because she's full-figured.

And not liking cats does not equal being a bad person--a weird person,
maybe, but certainly not bad.

rona
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Mary - 19 Nov 2003 14:52 GMT
"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" <prasantrin@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> And not liking cats does not equal being a bad person--a weird person,
> maybe, but certainly not bad.

You are very generous, and possibly right. However, I will never trust
anyone who doesn't like cats.

> rona
Cat Protector - 20 Nov 2003 06:41 GMT
Actually calling cats names period is wrong. I believe cats have feelings.
My cat Jade is a little plump and she sure shows that she doesn't like being
reminded of it so I am careful in wording around her. I love her anyway. I
am sure that if the felines of the world saw what Aiken said there'd be a
lot of upset cats. Both of mine sure don't like what Aiken said.

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> Very different, but not everyone can see that.  Sometimes I say my cat is a
> "fatso catso," but that doesn't mean I hate her and would run her over
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>
> rona
Diane L. Schirf - 20 Nov 2003 12:33 GMT
> Actually calling cats names period is wrong. I believe cats have feelings.

Perhaps, but my cat doesn't speak human or English, so when I call him
Gertrude or Smudgepot, he gives me the same look as when I call him
Hodge, Yo Boy, or Sweetie. (Trust me, he goes by Gertrude more often
than not.)

I think we truly do animals and their natures a disservice when we
anthropomorphize them.

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Cat Protector - 20 Nov 2003 14:29 GMT
Why do some humans consider it such a crime when we think of cats as more
than just a cat? It seems some have a real problem when cats are
anthropomorphized. I think it would be insensitive to not see cats have
feelings.

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"Diane L. Schirf" <donotspamme@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
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> I think we truly do animals and their natures a disservice when we
> anthropomorphize them.
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 20 Nov 2003 15:15 GMT
> Perhaps, but my cat doesn't speak human or English, so when I call him
> Gertrude or Smudgepot, he gives me the same look as when I call him
> Hodge, Yo Boy, or Sweetie. (Trust me, he goes by Gertrude more often
> than not.)

I call my cat "fatso catso" when I groom her but she still purrs and rubs
her nose up against my hand.  If she has feelings about being called names,
they certainly aren't bad ones!

> I think we truly do animals and their natures a disservice when we
> anthropomorphize them.

I agree.  And I wonder why only some animals are worthy of
anthropomorphizing but not others?  Cats have feelings but the cow that was
killed for your dinner doesn't?  Or that fly you just squished?

rona

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Mary - 20 Nov 2003 18:34 GMT
> > Actually calling cats names period is wrong. I believe cats have feelings.
>
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> I think we truly do animals and their natures a disservice when we
> anthropomorphize them.

A big "Me Too" to that! Although, they do understand the universal
message of laughter and always assume that it is at them and not with
them. Then you get the cold shoulder! LOL!
Mary - 19 Nov 2003 14:50 GMT
> > No, he did in fact says cats were Satan and he did mention his dislike of
> > cats. I saw an interview with him when he said that.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Karen

I am in NC and I cannot stand that little wussy-faced twit. Especially
now.
Cat Protector - 19 Nov 2003 17:25 GMT
I guess Aiken is disliked even in his own home state.

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> I am in NC and I cannot stand that little wussy-faced twit. Especially
> now.
Ted Thompson - 27 Nov 2003 23:59 GMT
He`s a marginal talent jerk. I`m from NC and make a living playing music. He
should be run over like the cat he did the same thing to.

> I guess Aiken is disliked even in his own home state.
>
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> > I am in NC and I cannot stand that little wussy-faced twit. Especially
> > now.
Elizabeth M. - 20 Nov 2003 04:41 GMT
http://www.curlio.com/new_showarticle.php?id=5536&page=last#

2003-11-19 22:08:18  Yahoo News

PETA Blackmails Clay Aiken

PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals), who have long ago lost
sight of "the line," have dropped to a new low. Now they are blackmailing
American Idols runner-up Clay Aiken.

"People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has delayed a new ad campaign
with the slogan "Get Neutered, It Didn't Hurt Clay Aiken," while it waits to
see if Aiken will apologize for negative comments he made about cats," PETA
officials said Tuesday.

PETA vice president Dan Mathews said that Clay needs to learn to take a joke
if he wants to be famous.

So what are the oh-so-offensive comments that Clay made about cats?

"There's nothing worse to me than a house cat. When I was about sixteen, I
had a kitten and ran over it. Seeing that cat die, I actually think that its
spirit has haunted me. I wasn't afraid of cats before. But now they scare me
to death," Aiken told Rolling Stone.

PETA has also said that they will call off the advertisement if Clays posts
a message on his website urging owners to spay or neuter and give an
interview to PETA.

So basically, because Clay had a bad experience with a cat, and now doesn't
like them, he's suddenly a bad person? He's not allowed to voice his
personal preference? What, will Calvin Klein start to run derogatory
advertisements against Ricky Martin if he suddenly announces that he prefers
Hanes instead? What's next? You can't announce that you like a certain
shampoo? That's just fricking nonsense. Personally, I'm not a big Clay Aiken
fan, but I'll darn well stand up and support him should he choose to stand
against PETA for this stupid and moronic choice of theirs. Clay, and all of
his fans, should go support a worthy animal cause, such as the ASPCA, the
Humane Society, or the World Wildlife Fund. I'm sure any one of those
organizations would do wonderful things with your donations, not take time
out to bash celebrities for their personal choice.

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TRIUMPH ON THE PETA AD
"Recently I agreed to do an ad for PETA. Why? I'm not into animal rights.
The only animal right I want is the right to hump Ashanti's leg. Look at
your average animal lovers, like Moby and Bill Maher. Sure, Bill Maher love
animals... that's because humans hate him! Moby? Nice guy, but not the best
looking man. I hear Moby had sex with a poodle once, and the poodle was
arrested for bestiality. Vegetarianism? Count me out. I ain't giving up cow,
or bird, or pig. So why the hell should you? Hell, we'd eat you if someone
dropped a slice on the floor. Oh, yes. We'll have the deep fried Moby with a
side of glazed Mary Tyler Moore, please. Dessert? I'm torn between the Pam
Anderson flambe and the flourless Alec Baldwin cake. Bottom line: animals
are a.sholes. Delicious a.sholes.

Which brings me back to this PETA ad. Why would I endorse neutering? After
all, I rip into another animal-hugging nut job, Bob Barker, on the CD. The
guy can't stop telling people to cut their pets' nuts off. So Jack Black and
I have at him: "Bob Barker got a bone to pick/gonna make a chew toy outta
your dick/these teeth are sharp and the price is right/gonna neuter your a.s
with one nut crackin' bite." There can be only one reason I would then turn
around and advocate ball chopping: free publicity. Timed right with the
release of the CD. Did I mention animals are a.sholes?

That should be the end of the story. But hold the phone - we're dealing with
PETA. Bong - cuckoo! As you see, I made a typically poopy quip in the ad:
"Get Neutered - It Didn't Hurt Clay Aiken." It actually wasn't my first
choice. I really wanted "Chop 'Em Off - They Didn't Taste That Great
Anyway." But PETA was jonesing for the Clay joke. Whatever. Just give me my
pub and go back to your spray painting.
Turns out PETA had an ax to grind with Clay. They released the ad and a
press release, quoting Clay talking trash about cats, like "Cats are Satan."
Never mind that Clay keeds. They quoted Clay saying "I ran over a kitten
when I was 16." Never mind that they left out the part where Clay said it
was an accident that haunts him to this day. (click here to read his quote)
Well played, PETA. And I thought I was the pub whore.

So here I am -- caught in the middle of crappy tunes and looney tunes...
when all I wanted was to whore myself. Of course, I have to stand with Clay,
even if they hadn't twisted his quotes. This is about a basic human and
animal right that must be preserved... the right to poop, to joke, to keed.
Look, I sing "Cats Are C***s" on the CD, but I keed. I don't hate cats. I've
even banged a few in my day. Just never let a cat give you a hand job."
Cat Protector - 20 Nov 2003 05:06 GMT
I think it goes beyond that. He made a very disgusting comment towards cats
and he needs to take responsibility for that. He may have had a bad
experience when he was 16 when he ran over that cat (which was probably
accidental) but you don't say how cats are evil and that there is nothing
worse than a housecat. It's as if he blames the kitten for what happened. I
don't normally agree with PETA but I think this message sends a clear
warning to Aiken to stand up and apologize. He may not like cats but he
certainly sends a message to his fans that cats are bad and if you run over
one it is ok. When you are a roll model you have the responsibility to lead
by example.

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"Elizabeth M." <lagunagal2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> So basically, because Clay had a bad experience with a cat, and now doesn't
> like them, he's suddenly a bad person? He's not allowed to voice his
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
> Look, I sing "Cats Are C***s" on the CD, but I keed. I don't hate cats. I've
> even banged a few in my day. Just never let a cat give you a hand job."
Diane L. Schirf - 20 Nov 2003 12:40 GMT
> I
> don't normally agree with PETA but I think this message sends a clear
> warning to Aiken to stand up and apologize.

Or PETA will break his kneecaps?

Why doesn't PETA do something to actually help animals?

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Judy F - 20 Nov 2003 14:45 GMT
PETA does something every day to help animals. Protesting abuses and making
them public is a very important step in protecting animals who can't protect
themselves. Clay Aiken is entitled to his opinions, but  expressing
inflammatory opinions like "cats are Satan" and  "nothing is worse than a
housecat" gives a message to his fans (who don't seem too bright- I've been
to the website) that they can abuse cats and it's no big deal. Celebrities
have a certain responsiblity as role models.
Judy F

> > I
> > don't normally agree with PETA but I think this message sends a clear
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Why doesn't PETA do something to actually help animals?
PawsForThought - 20 Nov 2003 18:09 GMT
>From: "Judy F" xphile01@catlover.com

>Clay Aiken is entitled to his opinions, but  expressing
>inflammatory opinions like "cats are Satan" and  "nothing is worse than a
>housecat" gives a message to his fans (who don't seem too bright- I've been
>to the website) that they can abuse cats and it's no big deal. Celebrities
>have a certain responsiblity as role models.
>Judy F

I just checked out his site.  Geez, I can't believe people are defending this
twit.
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Cat Protector - 20 Nov 2003 18:13 GMT
Well, because of his remarks about cats his music will not see airplay right
now on our station.

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> PETA does something every day to help animals. Protesting abuses and making
> them public is a very important step in protecting animals who can't protect
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> >
> > Why doesn't PETA do something to actually help animals?
Judy F - 20 Nov 2003 20:51 GMT
Cool!  wish other radio stations would follow your lead!
Judy F

> Well, because of his remarks about cats his music will not see airplay right
> now on our station.
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> > >
> > > Why doesn't PETA do something to actually help animals?
Cat Protector - 20 Nov 2003 23:45 GMT
Well we are a station for cats so it was not a real surprise I am sure to
most.

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> Cool!  wish other radio stations would follow your lead!
> Judy F
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> > > >
> > > > Why doesn't PETA do something to actually help animals?
MacCandace - 22 Nov 2003 02:33 GMT
<< PETA does something every day to help animals. Protesting abuses and making
them public is a very important step in protecting animals who can't protect
themselves. >>

I absolutely agree with this post.  PETA is primarily an educational
organizatio, not a shelter or rescue group.  They do, however, rescue some
animals and give them forever homes.  PETA is largely responsible for my
vegetarianism and that is helping animals.  I don't want to start that debate
up again but, obviously, if you're not eating 'em, you're helping them.  But
PETA goes much further than that...exposing circuses, animal acts, labs,
universities, pet stores, all sorts of places for their cruelty to animals.
They can be radical but it takes radicalism to accomplish things.  And they can
also be hypocritical but what group/person isn't at times.  I was a member of
PETA for many years and will probably be again at some point.  The only reason
I'm not now is because I belong to too many groups and just can't afford to
belong to all of them.  I say, keep it up, PETA.

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Cat Protector - 22 Nov 2003 03:41 GMT
Hi Candace.

What do you think of their recent Clay Aiken thing? They are taking a lot of
heat right now.

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> I absolutely agree with this post.  PETA is primarily an educational
> organizatio, not a shelter or rescue group.  They do, however, rescue some
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
> than human."  (Loren Eisely)
MacCandace - 23 Nov 2003 18:33 GMT
<< Hi Candace.

What do you think of their recent Clay Aiken thing? They are taking a lot of
heat right now. >>

The only info I have on it is from this newgroup.  I don't follow American
Idol, I don't know what Clay Aiken looks like or sounds like and don't care,
and I currently am not a PETA member so I don't get any of their
mailings/newsletters right now.  However, I generally support PETA, even when I
think they're being silly.  I like their radicalism.

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Cat Protector - 23 Nov 2003 19:02 GMT
Yeah PETA is pretty radical. I have never been a big fan of them but I
admire the fight they are doing right now for cats. Yes, Clay Aiken fans and
his lawyers got PETA to drop the ad (at least that is guessed since they
pulled it from the Web Site) but in my opinion they also did what they
thought they had to do to say that calling cats "Satan" as well as the other
anti-cat quotes were not right. I think if Clay had said he didn't like cats
and left it at that, not too many people would have cared. I know I could
certainly handle it. But when in the same breath you say how cats our evil
by equating them to Satan or say "there is nothing worse than a house cat"
then that is where I have to draw the line. I have to wonder what the CFA
has to say about all of this? They are one of the biggest cat organizations
in this country and probably the world.

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> What do you think of their recent Clay Aiken thing? They are taking a lot of
> heat right now. >>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
> than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 19 Nov 2003 05:36 GMT
> I don't know if this is true or not, but I got this from another board:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> didn't object because Aiken recently told Rolling Stone, "I think cats are
> Satan. There's nothing worse to me than a house cat. When I was about 16,
I
> had a kitten and ran over it." PETA deals with dozens of cases of cruelty
to
> cats every week and knows firsthand how damaging statements like this can
> be-impressionable kids often mimic what their "idols" do. Aiken never
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

I'm taking this on to Lauren's post, just because it was the beginning of
this thread, not because I think any of what I have to say applies to her.

Here's the full article from Rolling Stone re:  Clay Aiken and PETA.  The
asterisks in the second paragraph were added by me, to draw attention to the
context of the comment made by Clay Aiken.

from http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18973&cf=2046795

---begin paste---
In a landmark display of canine-feline solidarity, Triumph the Insult Comic
Dog has lashed out at professed kitty-hater Clay Aiken in a new ad campaign
for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. The print ad shows Triumph
with a band-aid over his recently neutered doggy-bits and a post-surgery
collar, and reads, "Get Neutered: It didn't hurt Clay Aiken."
Though the barb was Triumph's own, PETA went along thanks in part to
comments that Aiken made in a recent Rolling Stone article. "I think cats
are Satan," Aiken said. "There's nothing worse to me than a house cat. When
I was about sixteen, I had a kitten and ran over it. *****Seeing that cat
die, I actually think that its spirit has haunted me. I wasn't afraid of
cats before. But now they scare me to death.*****"

"It's a stupid statement," says PETA Vice President Dan Matthews. "We get
calls every week from people who throw kittens on barbecues because it's
funny. Or people who light cats on fire, or people who drag cats from cars.
It's so irresponsible that we wrote him after that interview came out and he
never got back to us. So we thought, you know, fair game, let's go for it."

According to PETA, with animal shelters overflowing, neutering and spaying
cats and dogs saves shelter-workers from having to put animals to death when
suitable homes cannot be found. Because Triumph's new album, Come Poop With
Me, is full of jokes about losing his private parts, he seemed a perfect
spokes-puppet.

"There's already been a huge response," says Matthews, whose office has been
bombarded by calls from angry Clay-mates. "When we explain why, they
understand it a bit better. In the end it's just funny. If you look at the
awful thing Clay said about cats, our ad in response is a pretty
lighthearted way to even up the score."

A spokesman for Clay Aiken had not comment on the ad.

DAVID SWANSON

---end paste---

At the risk of being flamed, I think people who thought "Clay called cats
"satan" so he must be a bad person and we should hate him and try to ruin
his reputation" are not that far off *in spirit* from those who might think,
"Clay called cats "satan" so cats must be bad and we should do evil things
to them."  Two sides of the same coin, in my opinion.

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Cat Protector - 19 Nov 2003 06:03 GMT
I am not a big supporter of PETA but I have to agree with them on this one.
I am not sure if it'll ruin Aiken's rep or not but he certainly is not
commenting on the ad either. I think Aiken is going to have to live with
what he said. He said he hates cats and called them Satan and as a cat lover
I was disgusted. I rooted for Aiken during American Idol but I think as I
re-read his comments it makes me regret doing so. Like I said before I saw
an interview where he said he ran over his cat but he also didn't seem to be
too bent out of shape about it either. The camera never lies. If you say
something negative then you have to learn to deal with it. I found the PETA
ad to be somewhat light compared to their more fierce campaigns. BTW, if any
of you have seen Triumph on shows like Conan O'Brien his skits are pretty
funny. Nobody takes that fake dog seriously. Aiken will have to live with
the fallout. There are two sides to being famous and you have to learn to
live with both sides.

> I'm taking this on to Lauren's post, just because it was the beginning of
> this thread, not because I think any of what I have to say applies to her.
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> rona (donning flame-retardant clothing)
PawsForThought - 19 Nov 2003 13:09 GMT
>From: "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" prasantrin@yahoo.com

>> I don't know if this is true or not, but I got this from another board:
>>
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>
>rona (donning flame-retardant clothing)

Thanks for posting this, Rona.  As I said in my post, I had just gotten it from
another board and didn't know if it was true or not.  But the comment about
cats being Satan, well is strange for sure.  I think most of us aren't haunted
by cat spirits as Satan.  I think most of us who are *haunted* by such a thing
would be inspired to do good, make life right for another cat, in the spirit of
love, not Satan.  

Lauren

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Mary - 19 Nov 2003 14:59 GMT
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>  But the comment about
> cats being Satan, well is strange for sure.  I think most of us aren't haunted
> by cat spirits as Satan.  I think most of us who are *haunted* by such a thing
> would be inspired to do good, make life right for another cat, in the spirit of
> love, not Satan.

Precisely. His response should have been to adopt another cat and make
sure he lavished it with love. He's still a mincing little Queen in my
book. But then I don't like his music anyway.

> Lauren
>
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Cat Protector - 19 Nov 2003 17:29 GMT
Well we don't know if Aiken is gay really. He has never really stated
whether or not he was. I do know that the Aiken fans don't appreciate those
cat people who have posted on his Web Site against him. What Aiken said in
that interview was stupid and obnoxious. I guess he feels fame gives him the
write to speak out against cats. I don't always agree with PETA but I do
agree with them on this one. They have every right to post that ad.

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> Precisely. His response should have been to adopt another cat and make
> sure he lavished it with love. He's still a mincing little Queen in my
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Yngver - 19 Nov 2003 19:02 GMT
>What Aiken said in
>that interview was stupid and obnoxious. I guess he feels fame gives him the
>write to speak out against cats. I don't always agree with PETA but I do
>agree with them on this one. They have every right to post that ad.

Just because a person is famous does not mean he immediately becomes articulate
and well-spoken. Aiken is certainly not the first famous person who didn't
think about the impact of what he was saying before saying it.
Cat Protector - 19 Nov 2003 19:13 GMT
I have read and re-read a lot of posts and even contacted PETA for a
response. I have no doubt that Aiken knows what he said because he has
stated it more than once. If you make a mistake a couple of times saying
something publically that is fine. But when you say it countless times then
that is disturbing. Clay did state the following:

"I think cats are Satan. There's nothing worse to me than a house cat. When
I was about sixteen, I had a kitten and ran over it."

It may have been accidental but he did add insult to injury when he said
there is nothing worse than a house cat. As a cat lover I was disgusted by
Aiken's words.

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> Just because a person is famous does not mean he immediately becomes articulate
> and well-spoken. Aiken is certainly not the first famous person who didn't
> think about the impact of what he was saying before saying it.
MacCandace - 22 Nov 2003 02:41 GMT
<< Just because a person is famous does not mean he immediately becomes
articulate
and well-spoken. Aiken is certainly not the first famous person who didn't
think about the impact of what he was saying before saying it.  >>

Is this guy really "famous"?  I don't even know what he looks like and I've
never seen him "perform."  Please, these dopes on these reality shows are not
famous.  I doubt if their fame will stand the test of time.  A few more months
and he'll just be a memory or less.

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Mary - 19 Nov 2003 22:15 GMT
> Well we don't know if Aiken is gay really. He has never really stated
> whether or not he was.

Whoah! I am not anti-gay! I am anti-wussy-faced Queens who say hateful
things about cats! :-) There is a difference!

>I do know that the Aiken fans don't appreciate those
> cat people who have posted on his Web Site against him. What Aiken said in
> that interview was stupid and obnoxious. I guess he feels fame gives him the
> write to speak out against cats. I don't always agree with PETA but I do
> agree with them on this one. They have every right to post that ad.

If the measure of a society lies in how it treats its
dependants--meaning the elderly, indigent, children and so-called
"dumb animals" we had better keep speaking out. On the whole
humanity's track record in this regard is rather sucky.

> > Precisely. His response should have been to adopt another cat and make
> > sure he lavished it with love. He's still a mincing little Queen in my
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Cat Protector - 20 Nov 2003 00:11 GMT
Well Aiken's remarks have caused us to ban the airplay of his music for the
time being. I am hoping that Aiken will apologize for comments though
against cats. Other than his comments he has remained rather silent. I think
he is talented and it is a shame to ban his music but as an owner of a radio
station for cats, I can't dismiss his rather public dislike for cats. Cats
are beautiful and intelligent creatures and not the evil beings Aiken has
made them out to be. As a cat lover I am disgusted by his remarks. BTW, the
Cat Galaxy Forum is having a discussion about this issue. You can check it
out at http://groups.msn.com/CatGalaxy . All cats and cat lovers are welcome
to post their views.

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> stated
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MacCandace - 22 Nov 2003 02:39 GMT
<< Precisely. His response should have been to adopt another cat and make
sure he lavished it with love. He's still a mincing little Queen in my
book. But then I don't like his music anyway. >>

I've never actually watched this show but don't these boneheads just sing, for
the most part?  I've seen that one girl, Kelly, or whatever her name is from
the first series of shows and all she does is sing other people's songs.  Big
deal, I don't consider that being a "musician."  Can they read music, play an
instrument, write a song?  They're boneheads, why does everyone get so wrapped
up in them.  

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Mary - 22 Nov 2003 05:10 GMT
> << Precisely. His response should have been to adopt another cat and make
> sure he lavished it with love. He's still a mincing little Queen in my
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>
> Candace

They are boneheads with pretty faces, I guess. I have no idea. I have
never seen Clay or any of them play instruments. It is really
disgusting, hordes of women have descended on Raleigh tonight to CAMP
OUT overnight because he will appear here tomorrow. they call
themselves "Claymates." Barf! And some have come from as far as NJ and
FL and Colorado!! Scary.
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 19 Nov 2003 16:45 GMT
> Thanks for posting this, Rona.  As I said in my post, I had just gotten it from
> another board and didn't know if it was true or not.

That's why I added the little thing at the top of my post--my comments
weren't directed to you at all.

>But the comment about
> cats being Satan, well is strange for sure.  I think most of us aren't haunted
> by cat spirits as Satan.  I think most of us who are *haunted* by such a thing
> would be inspired to do good, make life right for another cat, in the spirit of
> love, not Satan.

Agreed.  He certainly could have used better words to describe his fears.  I
think, however, that the use of the word Satan from a southern American
Christian (likely fundamentalist), describing something s/he doesn't like or
is afraid of, is probably pretty frequent.  I would say this is especially
true of a person who seems to be rather over-dramatic.

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Judy F - 19 Nov 2003 20:13 GMT
Whether he likes it or not, Clay Aiken has become a role model for many
people (please don't include me in that bunch, I think he's a weird little
twirp) so he should learn not to say things that his stupid fans could
emulate. There are enough cat haters out there without confirmation from a
celebrity (still can't understand that)...

> > Thanks for posting this, Rona.  As I said in my post, I had just gotten it
> from
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>
> rona (stereotyping can be fun!)
Cat Protector - 20 Nov 2003 00:13 GMT
I think he is talented but his anti-cat statements is one of the reasons
that right now his music will not see airplay on Cat Galaxy. I think the
statements he made will really hurt him.

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> > rona (stereotyping can be fun!)
Elizabeth M. - 20 Nov 2003 06:16 GMT
http://www.foxesonidol.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article1364.art&page=1

PETA Delays Clay Ad, Wants to Use Him for More Publicity
by David Bloomberg -- 11/19/2003


People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) apparently doesn't
extend that ethical treatment to humans. They have delayed official
publication of the ad saying Clay was "neutered," but want to force
him to give them additional publicity or they'll run it anyway. Read
on for details.

Clay Aiken fans have apparently succeeded where so many others have
failed – they managed to put a dent in the dogma machine that is
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA).

As readers no doubt recall, PETA recently announced a new ad campaign
targeting Clay Aiken and calling him "neutered." Although they had not
formally started the campaign, the announcements and their website had
the ad already available, so it basically served as free advertising
for them.

Perhaps that advertising was enough, or maybe they started to get
worried about the legality of calling somebody "neutered." Or maybe
all of the calls and e-mails from Clay's fans, as well as people
announcing that they would not give further money to PETA, had some
impact after all. PETA has announced that they are delaying the
campaign… for now.

PETA claims they are delaying the ad to see if Clay will apologize for
making his negative comments about cats. In fact, the vice president
of the group said, "If Clay Aiken intends on staying famous, he has to
learn to take a joke." A joke? Well, yes, PETA could be construed as a
joke when they act like this. In fact, to many the group has become
one sick joke after another.

The problem is that PETA took what Clay said about cats out of context
– he was talking about how he had accidentally run over his kitten (as
explained by his mother in our previous article on this issue). PETA
took it as some attack on animals, which is ridiculous.

But PETA doesn't just want Clay to apologize for them taking his words
out of context – they want him to post a message on his website urging
people to spay or neuter their pets and give an interview for PETA's
website.

To be completely honest, I hope Clay deviates from his usual character
and tells PETA to go f*** themselves. That may sound harsh, I know,
but the group is essentially trying to blackmail him: "Do this and
that or we'll run this ad." First they insult him, then they
oh-so-graciously say they will delay the ad, and they won't run it if
he gives them even more publicity – but they will run it if he
doesn't. Mind you, this is the same group that compared Holocaust
victims to animals.

PETA did admit that Clay's attorney contacted them, so maybe that had
something to do with it. I say this because PETA certainly never
backed down in their Holocaust advertising, even though they offended
far more people with that one than the Clay ad.

The organization has certainly learned how to get the most bang for
their buck. By previewing the ad on their website and announcing that
they would start running it, the media informed many people about the
ad, thus getting their "message" out without ever having to spend a
dime on advertising. Now when Clay fans, his attorney, and others have
fired back, PETA makes more publicity by saying they are putting a
hold on the ad. Then, if they decide to not run the ad, they can try
to win back Clay fans by saying, "See, we didn't run it." Hopefully,
fans won't be so forgiving. If they decide to run the ad after all, it
can work almost as an after-thought, because so many people have seen
them already. And if they can get Clay to give them an interview, they
will have scored a major publicity coup – another reason I,
personally, hope he tells them to shove off.

I have heard from many people who support animal rights and, in
theory, agree with PETA's mission. However, the dogmatic position PETA
has taken, coupled with the way they will go to any lengths to get
publicity, no matter who they hurt, has turned off many, many people.
The organization needs to take a serious look at how they promote
their message. Unfortunately, because of all the free advertising they
receive from these sorts of occurrences, I doubt that will happen
anytime soon.

David Bloomberg is the Editor of Foxes On Idol, and can be reached at
RNO@pobox.com.
Cat Protector - 20 Nov 2003 06:36 GMT
I have been in contact with PETA. This was their response.

"We deal with dozens of cases of cruelty to cats every week, and we know,
firsthand, how damaging statements like this can be when impressionable kids
mimic what their "idols" do. Clay never responded when we wrote to him
politely about this, and he needs to make amends for those remarks."

Apparently PETA did attempt to get the full story from Aiken about the
remarks but he chose not to respond. Aiken apparently is not doing anything
to set the record straight. I am not a fan of PETA but have to agree that
Aiken needs to apologize to those cat lovers he offended. He may not like
them but he owes it to his fans to lead by example and say it is not ok to
abuse an animal nor is it nice to make such statements that could give
permission to do so. I have a feeling that if Aiken steps forward and
addresses this to his fans that he might very well pave the road to peace.

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> PETA Delays Clay Ad, Wants to Use Him for More Publicity
> by David Bloomberg -- 11/19/2003
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> David Bloomberg is the Editor of Foxes On Idol, and can be reached at
> RNO@pobox.com.
Diane L. Schirf - 20 Nov 2003 12:35 GMT
> Clay never responded when we wrote to him
> politely about this, and he needs to make amends for those remarks."

If he's an American in the United States, he doesn't have to do
anything. This is still a democracy.

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Laura R. - 23 Nov 2003 18:22 GMT
circa Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:35:32 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Diane L. Schirf (donotspamme@thisaddress.com) said,

> > Clay never responded when we wrote to him
> > politely about this, and he needs to make amends for those remarks."
>
> If he's an American in the United States, he doesn't have to do
> anything. This is still a democracy.

Not in CP's world. There are fanatics on both sides of the fence.

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Cat Protector - 23 Nov 2003 18:46 GMT
Laura,

I think you have a problem with people who stand up for the rights of cats.
Amazing how you are using this thread to attack me? I guess because I am the
most vocal. It is so sad that you say in one breath how you don't like Clay
Aiken but will also seemingly defend his fans as well. I am a cat lover who
believes in defending the feline position. If you don't like it you can just
killfile me. I know you are going into my killfile since you simply are not
even worth bothering with.

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> Not in CP's world. There are fanatics on both sides of the fence.
>
> Laura
Cathy Friedmann - 23 Nov 2003 18:51 GMT
> Laura,
>
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> killfile me. I know you are going into my killfile since you simply are not
> even worth bothering with.

I think you (CP, not Laura) have a problem reading others' posts for actual
content.  You put your own spin on whatever others say & then refuse to
budge from that position, no matter how clearly points are made in order to
get you to see what was actually being said.

Cathy

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Cat Protector - 23 Nov 2003 19:11 GMT
How can someone put a spin on quotes someone else actually said. How can you
possibly blow what Aiken said about cats out of context? I made my point and
found that there are others who agree with me here. My position may not
always be popular but at least I can go away knowing I fight for what I
think is right.

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> content.  You put your own spin on whatever others say & then refuse to
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Laura R. - 23 Nov 2003 19:22 GMT
circa Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:11:09 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said,

> How can someone put a spin on quotes someone else actually said. How can you
> possibly blow what Aiken said about cats out of context? I made my point and
> found that there are others who agree with me here. My position may not
> always be popular but at least I can go away knowing I fight for what I
> think is right.

Oh, for god's sake. You've "made [your] point", so why not shut up
and quit posting the same nonsense over and over and over and
distracting rational discussion?

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Sherry - 24 Nov 2003 04:25 GMT
>My position may not
>always be popular but at least I can go away knowing I fight for what I
>think is right.

Oh, Lord. This sounds eerily familiar. It's  the strangest usenet  phenomenon.
This is the second person I've run across who considers flaming on on usenet
"fighting for what is right."  When push comes to shove, and "fighting for what
is right" actually involves spending money, getting your hands dirty and
bringing a stray cat into your home and figuring out how to separate it from
your cats and exactly what you're gonna do with it, suddenly it's not such a
hot idea. Pffft.

Sherry
Laura R. - 23 Nov 2003 19:21 GMT
circa Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:46:59 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said,

> Laura,
>
> I think you have a problem with people who stand up for the rights of cats.

Not in the least. I have a problem with the fact that you invariably
go so far off into your fantasy world that you dilute rational
discourse.

> Amazing how you are using this thread to attack me?

Then shut up or get help for your obvious problems.

> I guess because I am the
> most vocal.

No, just because you're nuts and don't know when to shut up before
you make every cat lover sound like a nutcase by your ridiculous
rants.

>  It is so sad that you say in one breath how you don't like Clay
> Aiken but will also seemingly defend his fans as well.

You are a liar or stupid. Maybe both.

> I am a cat lover who
> believes in defending the feline position. If you don't like it you can just
> killfile me. I know you are going into my killfile since you simply are not
> even worth bothering with.

Speak for yourself, wingnut. You're a few bubbles left of center, and
I'm sick of your inane rhetoric that makes people reading this thread
think that there are a bunch of nutcases posting because you're so
damned prolific with your hysteria that people don't notice that the
only person behaving irrationally is you.

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Yngver - 20 Nov 2003 16:22 GMT
>I think he is talented but his anti-cat statements is one of the reasons
>that right now his music will not see airplay on Cat Galaxy.

I bet he will be really broken up about that.
Cat Protector - 20 Nov 2003 18:14 GMT
I am sure he won't care much but at least as cat lovers we are making a
stand.

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> I bet he will be really broken up about that.
Laura R. - 23 Nov 2003 18:23 GMT
circa Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:14:26 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said,

> I am sure he won't care much but at least as cat lovers we are making a
> stand.

"We" who? You and your two cats? Please quit professing your behavior
and opinions as speaking for all, wingnut.

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Cat Protector - 23 Nov 2003 18:50 GMT
Let me see, I am not the only cat lover who didn't like what Aiken said. If
it seemed that I was speaking for all I apologize oh great Laura. I however,
will not just bury my head in the sand like you seem to do.

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"Laura R." <usefirstinitialandlastname@technologist.com> wrote in message

> "We" who? You and your two cats? Please quit professing your behavior
> and opinions as speaking for all, wingnut.
>
> Laura
Laura R. - 23 Nov 2003 19:23 GMT
circa Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:50:03 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said,

> Let me see, I am not the only cat lover who didn't like what Aiken said. If
> it seemed that I was speaking for all I apologize oh great Laura. I however,
> will not just bury my head in the sand like you seem to do.

You are a sick man, Neil. Get help.

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Sherry - 23 Nov 2003 22:30 GMT
>> I am sure he won't care much but at least as cat lovers we are making a
>> stand.

Making a stand to prove how much you love cats would also have involved
hands-on helping the declawed stray cat, dumped outdoors in your apartment
complex living on hot dogs you spoke of briefly a week ago. Then mysteriously
shut up about it. You mumbled something about not having the money to take in
another cat, but had made a few phone calls, and left us with the impression
the cat was still homeless. I hope the convictions you claim to have came to
good use there.

Sherry
Laura R. - 23 Nov 2003 22:45 GMT
circa 23 Nov 2003 22:30:08 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry
(sriddles@aol.comkitty) said,
> >> I am sure he won't care much but at least as cat lovers we are making a
> >> stand.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> the cat was still homeless. I hope the convictions you claim to have came to
> good use there.

Is this in response to CP?

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Sherry - 23 Nov 2003 23:17 GMT
>> Making a stand to prove how much you love cats would also have involved
>> hands-on helping the declawed stray cat, dumped outdoors in your apartment
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Laura
Yes, Laura. Sorry if my reply wasn't attributed right. See the thread around
11-14-03 titled Cat Lost or Abandoned.
CP described a cat seemingly in dire straits, declawed, abandoned, and lost at
his apartment complex. He was urged to take the cat in temporarily until
permanent lodging could be found. He mumbled something about not having the
money and he hadn't actually seen the cat, then mysteriously dropped the
subject.
Sherry
Laura R. - 23 Nov 2003 23:58 GMT
circa 23 Nov 2003 23:17:36 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry
(sriddles@aol.comkitty) said,
> >> another cat, but had made a few phone calls, and left us with the
> >impression
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> >Laura
> Yes, Laura. Sorry if my reply wasn't attributed right.

No worries, just checking.

> See the thread around
> 11-14-03 titled Cat Lost or Abandoned.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> money and he hadn't actually seen the cat, then mysteriously dropped the
> subject.

Ah, yes, I found it. I would like to know what happened to the cat,
as well.

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Cheryl - 24 Nov 2003 00:43 GMT
> Yes, Laura. Sorry if my reply wasn't attributed right.

DAGGON AOL!!  (I keed)  :)

See the
> thread around 11-14-03 titled Cat Lost or Abandoned.
> CP described a cat seemingly in dire straits, declawed, abandoned,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the cat, then mysteriously dropped the subject.
> Sherry

I, too, wonder what the ending of that story is. :(
Cat Protector - 24 Nov 2003 08:16 GMT
Despite what Sherry says, I went searching for that cat and have not yet
come across the feline. It is hard to take a cat in temporarily when you are
only allowed two. We have pretty terrible management here. Sherry, acts
pretty smug but she seems to post as if she is the greatest person in the
world. I have arranged for the cat to find refuge but the areas where he was
last reported in I did not find him.

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> I, too, wonder what the ending of that story is. :(
Sherry - 24 Nov 2003 21:22 GMT
>Despite what Sherry says, I went searching for that cat and have not yet
>come across the feline. It is hard to take a cat in temporarily when you are
>only allowed two. We have pretty terrible management here.

So your excuse is "It is hard to take in a cat temporarily when you are only
allowed two." Then why did you post:
"The management told me about this
today and asked if I wanted to take him in (I am only allowed 2 cats in this
place but apparently they approved my having a third if I took him."

So now what's your excuse?

Sherry
Laura R. - 25 Nov 2003 01:18 GMT
circa Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:16:40 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said,
> Despite what Sherry says, I went searching for that cat and have not yet
> come across the feline. It is hard to take a cat in temporarily when you are
> only allowed two.

Oh, my lord, do you not even notice how blatantly you lie? *Your
apartment complex*, according to *you*, asked you to take the cat in
and *agreed to waive the two cat limit*. Can't you even keep your
bullshit in separate piles?

> We have pretty terrible management here.

Yuh-huh. Sure. That's the ticket.

> Sherry, acts
> pretty smug but she seems to post as if she is the greatest person in the
> world.

Gee, how many times have you said this about somebody?

> I have arranged for the cat to find refuge but the areas where he was
> last reported in I did not find him.

Right, like when he was being fed hot dogs by your neighbor. Oh, that
wily cat, hiding in plain sight like that.

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Cat Protector - 26 Nov 2003 07:07 GMT
Can anyone believe this one?

http://claymatemansion.com/clayvention.htm

As if the Clay Aiken fans weren't fanatical enough now they have their own
convention honoring Clay. Barf!

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Sherry - 26 Nov 2003 12:42 GMT
>Can anyone believe this one?
>
>http://claymatemansion.com/clayvention.htm
>
>As if the Clay Aiken fans weren't fanatical enough now they have their own
>convention honoring Clay. Barf!

You know, this fanatical obsession you have with Clay Aiken really isn't
healthy.

Sherry
PerryTurtle - 28 Nov 2003 08:07 GMT
>Subject: Re: American Idol guy & Cats
>From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>As if the Clay Aiken fans weren't fanatical enough now they have their own
>convention honoring Clay. Barf!

You're a bit fanatical, it appears, about Clay Aiken.  You've posted a TON
about him and you're obviously frequenting Web sites dedicated for him.

I definitely think you're a closet Claymate!!!
Elizabeth M. - 20 Nov 2003 04:46 GMT
PREPOSTEROUS PETA

http://www.dailyemerald.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/11/14/3fb4fbaf5066c?in_archive=1

Travis Willse
Rivalless wit
November 14, 2003

I still remember that cool summer day in July 1988. I was just a few
weeks
shy of my sixth birthday. My mom carted my younger brother, Tyler, and
me
to the Humane Society outlet at the south end of Hillsboro. There, I
picked
out and adopted a kitten I named "Friskie," a tabby American shorthair
that
still lives at my parents' house.
   
Travis Willse Rivalless wit  
I like Friskie, and I've grown attached to her over the last 15 years,
but
I would give her up if it meant finding a cure for malaria or AIDS.
I'd let
her go, too, if it meant finding a cure for cystinosis (which affects
only
600 people nationwide) or fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva (125
people) or even a disease that afflicts only one person. Why? Because
a
human life, by virtue of human consciousness, is more valuable than
the
life of a lower animal.

But not everyone sees it that way.

"Even if animal tests produced a cure for AIDS, we'd be against it
(sic),"
Ingrid Newkirk hysterically explained in the Sept. 1, 1989, issue of
Vogue.

Newkirk co-founded and is currently the president of People for the
Ethical
Treatment of Animals. And the absurdity of her comment is lamentably
representative of the group's largely fanatical philosophy and
reflects the
irrational agenda of many extreme animal rights activists. This column
will
explore less PETA's core values, though, and delve more into its
history of
grossly irresponsible, offensive rhetoric and opportunistic, radical
methods they use that often (somewhat ironically) violate both human
decency and intellectual integrity.

(A brief aside is necessary here: I accept a so-called "animal welfare
theory," wherein the use of animals for food, clothing or
experimentation
is acceptable as long as that use has a functional motive and is
reasonable. Experimenting on rhesus monkeys to find an AIDS vaccine is
wholly acceptable; senseless torture of backyard dogs is not.
Furthermore,
I condemn PETA's methods and those of many radical animal rights
activists,
as well as many of their philosophies, but I do not denounce
vegetarianism,
veganism or any of many other rational practices and ideologies
sometimes
associated with the animal welfare movement.)

Animal testing of medical procedures that benefit humans is often,
simply
put, essential.

"Most, if not all of the medical advances over the last 50 years have
depended, either directly or indirectly, on research done on animals,"
psychology Professor Emerita Barbara Gordon-Lickey explained.
"Certainly
all new methods, regardless of how they're developed, have to be
tested on
animals."

But some radical animal rights activists -- evidently unsatisfied with
merely verbalizing their displeasure with animal testing -- voice
their
ill-reasoned grievances by resorting to indefensible violence. On Oct.
26,
1986, at least one activist broke into, ransacked and defaced
Gordon-Lickey's lab ("Vandals ransack science labs, threaten to strike
again soon;" ODE; Oct. 27, 1986), inflicting $36,000 in damages.
(Ironically, the vandal destroyed $2,000 of audio tutorial materials
used
for training technicians and scientists to care for and handle lab
animals
properly.)

In a statement the Animal Liberation Front delivered to the Associated
Press about the incident, the group decried the lab's "torture
chambers"
and asserted: "This is just the beginning of our efforts to liberate
those
oppressed in research concentration camps in Oregon. We will not allow
this
slaughter to continue without resistance. You will hear again from us
soon." Just to clarify, ALF is a criminal organization that FBI
spokesman
Ross Rice said is responsible for more than 600 acts of vandalism.

Sharon Nettles, former coordinator of Eugene's PETA chapter, told the
Emerald for the 1986 story that PETA does not condone illegal actions.

However, about the break-in, Nettles gloated, "I'm glad someone did
it."

Activist Roger Troen, who was eventually convicted of the break-in, is
a
member of ALF. PETA came to Troen's undeserved rescue, paying from its
tax-exempt war chest his $27,000 of legal fees and $34,900 fine.
PETA's
connections with ALF are numerous -- its major grantees include
longtime
ALF ringleader and former Earth First! Journal Editor Rodney Coronado,
who
was sentenced in 1995 to 57 months in federal prison for the 1992
arson of
a Michigan State University laboratory. Since his release, Coronado
has
openly admitted to at least six other arsons.

PETA's annals are filled not only with granting funds to terrorists
but
with rhetoric that ranges from offensive to nonsensical.

On July 6, 2001, a shark attacked and chomped off the right arm of
then-8-year-old Jessie Arbogast on the Florida coast. In what Time
Magazine
dubbed on its cover "Summer of the Shark," mass media tapped into the
collective unconscious, talking sharks for months (lost in this
brouhaha
was the fact that shark attacks actually declined by 13 incidents from
the
year before). PETA followed suit, unveiling a promotional billboard
that
asked, "Would you give your right arm to know why sharks attack? Could
it
be revenge?"

According to PETA, "The recent injuries suffered by shark attack
victims
offer us a glimpse into the terrifying experience these fish endure
when
they are hauled out of their environment only to be pitch-forked back
into
the water after their fins have been sliced off."

Maybe so, by some particularly imaginative and macabre stretch of the
mind.
But offering a bizarrely non sequitur "revenge" theory only chillingly
and
opportunistically abuses a human tragedy and unfairly takes advantage
of
the gullible, further polluting dialogue about important issues with
irrationality.

Regrettably, this blatant opportunism and deviation from reason is
more
PETA's rule and less its exception.

In summer 2000, a few months after doctors diagnosed New York City
then-mayor Rudy Guiliani with prostate cancer, PETA ran a billboard
campaign with ads showing Guiliani sporting a milk mustache. The
message?
The ad read, "Got Prostate Cancer? Drinking milk contributes to
prostate
cancer." The group dropped the campaign after Guiliani threatened to
sue
the group.

But even worse than its disregard for a single person's suffering is
its
apparent disregard for and wholesale devaluation of human life.

In its Nov. 13, 1983, issue, the Washington Post quoted Newkirk
lamenting,
"Six million people died in concentration camps, but six billion
broiler
chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses" (emphasis added).

Twenty years later, PETA pushed the ideological pedal to the
rhetorical
metal, launching a "Holocaust on Your Plate" campaign to promote a
"nonviolent, vegan diet." In the campaign, PETA paraded a massive
graphic
display wherein images of chickens, pigs and calves were juxtaposed
with
pictures of near-dead Holocaust victims and piles of human corpses.

"Just as the Nazis tried to 'dehumanize' Jews by forcing them to live
in
filthy, crowded conditions," read PETA's press release detailing the
campaign, "animals on today's factory farms are stripped of all that
is
enjoyable and natural to them and treated as nothing more than meat-,
egg-,
and milk-making 'machines.'"

The Holocaust, one of the worst abominations in human history
(numerically
and morally), reflects humanity's capacity for cruelty. PETA seems to
lack
the appreciation for human life or decency to see that, out of respect
for
those who survived the concentration camps -- and moreover, for those
who
did not -- comparisons to the tragedy should be restricted to, well,
legitimately comparable tragedies. Asserting that the death of a
chicken is
morally equivalent to the wholesale, grotesque slaughter of sentient,
conscious beings is an appalling affront to every Jew, Gypsy,
homosexual,
person with a disability and other Nazi-labeled "misfit" who resisted
de
facto murder in the camps for months or years.

On its frequently asked questions page, PETA's Web site quotes the
celebrated humanitarian Albert Schweitzer: "Aware of the problems and
responsibilities an expanded ethic brings with it, said we each must
'live
daily from judgment to judgment, deciding each case as it arises, as
wisely
and mercifully as we can.'"

But, as its conduct has illustrated time and time again, PETA lacks
the
wisdom to participate in a fair and rational discussion of its
grievances,
and eschews mercy by supporting terrorists and taking unfair advantage
of
human tragedies whenever it suits its bizarre, misguided agenda.

According to nonprofit tax forms filed with the Internal Revenue
Service,
PETA spent only $6,100 of its $10.9 million budget on animal shelters
in
fiscal year 1996. It seems, then, that T