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Marina - 12 Aug 2005 14:50 GMT
This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
nearly a week. He has an upset tummy. It started before I brought home
Caliban, so I don't think that's the reason. I made an appointment for
him at the same time I'm taking Caliban in on Tuesday.

One thing I know is that he's not getting enough of his hyperthyroidism
meds. He's been refusing to eat his kidney diet food lately, and I've
given him the same meat as I give Miranda, but I can't mix the meds in
that, and so I've had to give them with the syringe. And Frank fights
the syringe really hard, and when I manage to squirt some into his
mouth, he just closes his mouth and lets the stuff trickle out between
his lips. Hyperthyroidism can cause a runny tummy, so I'm hoping that's
all it is. Poor boy, I can see he's not feeling very well. He hides
furthest back in the sauna, where I can't reach him and cuddle him, so I
mostly leave him alone. He's very unforgiving when I give him meds with
the syringe, so he doesn't want me near him anyway. I miss my darling boy!

I hope I haven't made a terrible mistake in moving and taking in
Caliban. I hope Frank's problems aren't due to stress because of these
changes, but to the lack of meds. That can be remedied. He doesn't seem
stressed by Caliban. They touch noses and warble softly to each other
when they meet, and otherwise mostly just ignore each other. He didn't
seem stressed when we first ame to the new place, he just immediately
adopted the sauna as his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy
Caliban's company when I worry so much about Frankie.

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Nan - 12 Aug 2005 15:36 GMT
>This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
>too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>adopted the sauna as his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy
>Caliban's company when I worry so much about Frankie.

Purrs are on the way for Frank to start feeling like himself again,
and that all it is a lack of his hyperthyroid medicine.  Poor little
guy doesn't realize that his meowmy is just trying to make him feel
better when she tries to  give him the nasty medicine.  Could you mix
it in a little bit of baby meat to tempt his appetite?

Purrs and Hugs,

Nan
Victor Martinez - 12 Aug 2005 15:37 GMT
> I hope I haven't made a terrible mistake in moving and taking in
> Caliban. I hope Frank's problems aren't due to stress because of these

I think it's just Frank's normal reaction to being back from the island,
enhanced a bit by the lack of proper medication.

> changes, but to the lack of meds. That can be remedied. He doesn't seem
> stressed by Caliban. They touch noses and warble softly to each other
> when they meet, and otherwise mostly just ignore each other. He didn't

I think Caliban is a good thing for Frank, actually.

> seem stressed when we first ame to the new place, he just immediately
> adopted the sauna as his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy
> Caliban's company when I worry so much about Frankie.

We're sending lots of purrs for Frank to take his medicine and feel
better soon. Perhaps it might be worthwhile to try some Rescue Remedy to
help Frank deal with any stress he might have.

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Karen - 12 Aug 2005 16:27 GMT
I wonder if you compounded the meds if it would help. I think there are
places that will mix them into fish oil. Or maybe you have tried that? Purrs
for Frank to be feeling better soon.

> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
> too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> adopted the sauna as his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy
> Caliban's company when I worry so much about Frankie.
Adrian - 12 Aug 2005 16:28 GMT
> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't
> feel too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> can't really enjoy Caliban's company when I worry so much about
> Frankie.

Poor Frank. Lots of purrs for him to feel better soon. Maybe he's a bit
upset at leaving the island again, obviously he's happy there and
probably doesn't understand why he can't stay there.
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Irulan - 12 Aug 2005 16:48 GMT
Purrs and prayers that Franki is just off his food and meds for a while. :(
Lily & her mama
Jazz, RB

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> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
> too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy Caliban's company when
> I worry so much about Frankie.
Dan M - 12 Aug 2005 16:53 GMT
> I hope I haven't made a terrible mistake in moving and taking in
> Caliban. I hope Frank's problems aren't due to stress because of these
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> adopted the sauna as his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy
> Caliban's company when I worry so much about Frankie.

It sure sounds like it's due to not taking his meds. I suspect that he
likes having the new boykitty around - it sure sounds like they're getting
along well.  We'll be sending our best purrs that Frank gets to feeling
better soon.
JBHajos - 12 Aug 2005 17:26 GMT
>This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
>too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
>nearly a week. He has an upset tummy.

 Oh, my, we surely hope Frank feels better soonest, and hope the vet
gives him a clean bill-of-health next Tuesday.  Purrs on their way.

  Jeanne
Kreisleriana - 12 Aug 2005 18:41 GMT
>This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
>too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>adopted the sauna as his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy
>Caliban's company when I worry so much about Frankie.

Frankie, Frankie!  Get well, and stop worrying your mama!  Purring for
you all.

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Christina Websell - 12 Aug 2005 19:03 GMT
> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
> too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy Caliban's company when
> I worry so much about Frankie.

I'm sure you haven't made a mistake in bring Caliban home, or moving (love
the name, btw)
Lots of purrs that Frankie's poor tummy will settle soon. He doesn't sound
stressed from what you've said.

Tweed
KFC & BF
Lucys Mom - 12 Aug 2005 20:57 GMT
Purrs for Frank's tummy to settle down asap...
polonca12000 - 12 Aug 2005 21:00 GMT
It doesn't sound like he is stressed by the changes, so we are hoping and
purring it is the hyperthyroidism meds.
Lots of purrs and best wishes that this is the problem and that someone can
find a way for Frank to take his meds,
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> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
> too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> adopted the sauna as his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy
> Caliban's company when I worry so much about Frankie.
Howard C. Berkowitz - 12 Aug 2005 22:18 GMT
> It doesn't sound like he is stressed by the changes, so we are hoping and
> purring it is the hyperthyroidism meds.
> Lots of purrs and best wishes that this is the problem and that someone
> can
> find a way for Frank to take his meds,

Purrs. Is radioisotope thyroid therapy available in Finland? It might be
a lower risk than continuing the medication.
Ann - 12 Aug 2005 21:55 GMT
Purrs on the way.
Ann

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> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
> too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy Caliban's company when
> I worry so much about Frankie.
Exocat - 12 Aug 2005 22:07 GMT
> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't
> feel too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the
> weather for nearly a week. He has an upset tummy. It started before I
> brought home Caliban, so I don't think that's the reason. I made an
> appointment for him at the same time I'm taking Caliban in on Tuesday.

Sorry to hear this, Marina. There have certainly been enough changes
in the ol' soldier's life recently to give him dyspepsia. I've been
having
to put drops in Bandit's eyes for months (he has conjunctivitis caused
by the Pasteurella bacterium and it's proving _very_ hard to clear up:
Fucithalmic, Tiacil and Marbocyl have all failed and Chloramphenicol
doesn't seem to be working either), so to keep from being shredded
I've made sure that every session of applications, some 4 per day, is
immediately followed by a nice meal.

It's working, because he's now purring both before & after I scruff
him and apply the meds, 'cos he knows that threats are a-coming.
Bless him!

Anyway, I wondered if you might apply the same principle to Frank,
syringing him immediately before a treat? I'm sure he'd catch on
PDQ.

Purrs for Tuesday. BTW I like the continuation of the Shakesperian
theme (tho' Haldir's still my favourite unused name) for Caliban.
It'll be interesting to see if he grows into his 3-syllable name or if
he influences you in another direction.

Best wishes

G & the FF
W. Leong - 13 Aug 2005 00:22 GMT
>> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
>> too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> syringing him immediately before a treat? I'm sure he'd catch on
> PDQ.

I tried that with Rusty. Gave him  a treat after the pill every time. Didn't
work. Still fight with me. So far I manage to get the pills down his throat,
I think. He is being weened off his medication so our stress should level
off.

Winnie

> Purrs for Tuesday. BTW I like the continuation of the Shakesperian
> theme (tho' Haldir's still my favourite unused name) for Caliban.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> G & the FF
Helen Miles - 12 Aug 2005 22:24 GMT
> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
> too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
> nearly a week. He has an upset tummy. It started before I brought home
> Caliban, so I don't think that's the reason. I made an appointment for
> him at the same time I'm taking Caliban in on Tuesday.

Purrs and prayers that he is on the mend soon.

Helen m
jmcquown - 13 Aug 2005 02:12 GMT
> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't
> feel too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the
> weather for nearly a week. He has an upset tummy. It started before I
> brought home Caliban, so I don't think that's the reason. I made an
> appointment for him at the same time I'm taking Caliban in on Tuesday.

Purrs on the way for Frank.

Jill
badwilson - 13 Aug 2005 03:22 GMT
I'm sorry to hear about Frank being under the weather.  Hopefully it
all clears up when he gets more of his meds into him.  Many purrs!
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> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't
> feel too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the
> weather for nearly a week. He has an upset tummy. It started before
I
> brought home Caliban, so I don't think that's the reason. I made an
> appointment for him at the same time I'm taking Caliban in on
Tuesday.

> One thing I know is that he's not getting enough of his
> hyperthyroidism meds. He's been refusing to eat his kidney diet food
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> seem stressed by Caliban. They touch noses and warble softly to each
> other when they meet, and otherwise mostly just ignore each other.
He
> didn't seem stressed when we first ame to the new place, he just
> immediately adopted the sauna as his preferred sleeping place. I
> can't really enjoy Caliban's company when I worry so much about
> Frankie.
Steve Touchstone - 13 Aug 2005 06:53 GMT
Purrs coming that he'll snap out of it and be back to normal soon

>This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
>too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>adopted the sauna as his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy
>Caliban's company when I worry so much about Frankie.

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wafflycat - 13 Aug 2005 09:58 GMT
Frank, my sweetness, are the whippersnappers getting to you? Would you like
me to teleport over and thwap them a few times???

Purrs, your Waffles
Takayuki - 13 Aug 2005 15:08 GMT
>I hope I haven't made a terrible mistake in moving and taking in
>Caliban. I hope Frank's problems aren't due to stress because of these
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>adopted the sauna as his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy
>Caliban's company when I worry so much about Frankie.

Awww, Frank and the new kitten are so sweet!  I hope that it really is
nothing serious.  Tummy problems are transient.  I hope.
Marina - 13 Aug 2005 15:17 GMT
Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off miranda
seemed like she had something stuck in her throat. So I hauled them both
off to the emergency vet. I had to wait several hours while they were
checking them, but the time went quickly enough when a woman came in
with a Norweigan Forest cat and we swapped kitty stories. It was the
first time I've seen a NFC in 'person'. What an impressive cat! Very
nice and friendly, to, though she had a UTI. The woman had her on a
leash, no carrier, and she'd taken the metro to the vet school, and had
no fuss with the cat.

Anyway, finally they called me in to talk about Frank and Mir. It seems
they have some sort of infection. Miranda's tonsils are swollen, which
is why she acts like there's something in her throat. The bloodwork
indicated that Frank has an infection, too. So the vet assumed that they
both have the same thing, and now I get to give all three cats
antibiotics twice a day for ten days. Yippee!

It seems obvious to me that Caliban is the one who infected the others.
I really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into something nasty.

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Lisa Katt - 13 Aug 2005 15:45 GMT
>Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off miranda
>seemed like she had something stuck in her throat. So I hauled them both
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>It seems obvious to me that Caliban is the one who infected the others.
>I really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into something nasty.

Many purrs for the cats to get over the infection soon.
Hope they will accept their antibiotics without too much struggling.
PURRS!
Elisabet and Hugo Katt
Victor Martinez - 13 Aug 2005 16:11 GMT
> It seems obvious to me that Caliban is the one who infected the others.
> I really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into something nasty.

Well, they could have gotten it at the island too, better call your
sister to check on her cats! Anyhow, purrs that the antibiotics do their
thing quickly. How is Caliban doing? Is he showing symptoms at all?

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Marina - 14 Aug 2005 04:53 GMT
>> It seems obvious to me that Caliban is the one who infected the
>> others. I really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> sister to check on her cats! Anyhow, purrs that the antibiotics do their
> thing quickly. How is Caliban doing? Is he showing symptoms at all?

I don't think they could have gotten it on the island. Caliban had had
runny eyes even before he was brought to me, that's why I suspect him
opf infecting Frank and Mir, and that's why I booked a time for him for
TED next week. He still has runny eyes, and a stuffy nose.

I haven't got the antibiotics yet, because the few pharmacies that are
open on Sunday are downtown, and the traffic has been impossible
yesterday and today because of the Marathons being run through the city
centre. So I won't be able to get the ABs until Monday.

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Melissa Houle - 15 Aug 2005 06:45 GMT
> I haven't got the antibiotics yet, because the few pharmacies that are
> open on Sunday are downtown, and the traffic has been impossible
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
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At least you're dealing with a known problem now, although having to
medicate three cats for ten days sounds like a drag. I hope Frank, Mir and
Caliban will all be on the mend VERY soon!

Melissa
Adrian - 13 Aug 2005 16:13 GMT
> Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off
> miranda seemed like she had something stuck in her throat. So I
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> others. I really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into
> something nasty.

Purrs for Frank and Miranda. At least now you know what the problem is.
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W. Leong - 13 Aug 2005 16:18 GMT
So sorry to hear this. Rusty is sending lots of purrs to Finland.
He tends to get the run while on antibiotics and also stopped eating.
So you may want to watch out for that. Yogurt should help.
I sympathize with giving AB to 3 cats for 10 days. Once I had to give
AB for 1 month to Rusty for a bladder infection. That and trying to get
him to eat something was a real challenge. I made many calls to the
vet for help during that time.
I presume Caliban has been checked out by a vet before coming to live
with you.

On a lighter note, I am watching the World Tack & Field competition in
Finland almost every evening.
Last night I was cheering for the Canadian competitors and Rusty thought I
asked him to "Come On". He actually came and jumped on
my lap. That happened twice. So now I am going to use these words
whenever I want him to come to me. But knowing Rusty, that may
not work all the time.

Winnie

> Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off miranda
> seemed like she had something stuck in her throat. So I hauled them both
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> It seems obvious to me that Caliban is the one who infected the others. I
> really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into something nasty.
Marina - 14 Aug 2005 05:02 GMT
> So sorry to hear this. Rusty is sending lots of purrs to Finland.
> He tends to get the run while on antibiotics and also stopped eating.
> So you may want to watch out for that. Yogurt should help.

Frank knows everything abut getting the runs from ABs. He wrote the book
on it. ;oP He doesn't eat yoghurt, but here, we can buy the beneficial
bacteria separately, so I'm going to try and dose him with that, too.
I'm not so sure I'll manage to get thre diferent meds into him, though.
It's hard enough with one, especially when he's hiding furthest under
the sauna benches where I can't reach him anyway.

Another reason why I'm reluctant to give him ABs is that he's had such a
lot of them in his life. I'm afraid that, instead of building up his
immunity, they are breaking it down. I know there are two schools of
thought on this.

Well, at least his tummy seems to work alright for now. Until I start
giving him the ABs, of course.

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Tish Silberbauer - 14 Aug 2005 05:08 GMT
Good luck Marina.  We'll be thinking of you and your crew.

Tish

>Frank knows everything abut getting the runs from ABs. He wrote the book
>on it. ;oP He doesn't eat yoghurt, but here, we can buy the beneficial
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Well, at least his tummy seems to work alright for now. Until I start
>giving him the ABs, of course.
Inge Grotjahn - 14 Aug 2005 13:24 GMT
Dear Marina,

Am 14.08.2005 schrieb Marina:

> Another reason why I'm reluctant to give him ABs is that he's had such a
> lot of them in his life. I'm afraid that, instead of building up his
> immunity, they are breaking it down. I know there are two schools of
> thought on this.

you should ask TED to make an antibiogramm (sorry, I don't know the english
word for it). A blood sample is taken to determin, which antibiotic is
still working on this special cat. Then the proper antibiotic is chosen to
treat hin. This procedure makes sure, that the prescripted med. is working
as it should.

Purrs to Frank and of course to Miri, Caliban and you
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Marina - 14 Aug 2005 18:37 GMT
Hi Inge,

> you should ask TED to make an antibiogramm (sorry, I don't know the english
> word for it). A blood sample is taken to determin, which antibiotic is
> still working on this special cat. Then the proper antibiotic is chosen to
> treat hin. This procedure makes sure, that the prescripted med. is working
> as it should.

That's a good idea. looking at the prescription, though, the name
doesn't sound familiar to me. They tried to give me Amovet at first, but
I told them Frank will just bring that right back up, so that's no use.
This one is called Kefavet (might be a Finnish brand name). I've almost
decided now to get the ABs tomorrow (Monday), give them the first doses,
and ask their own vet about it on Tuesday. So hard to know what to do.

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Nanny - 14 Aug 2005 18:47 GMT
Kefavet is Cefalexin, I found a description for you:
Cefalexin is a semisynthetic 1st generation cephalosporin antibiotic
Inhibiting cell wall biosynthesis. It is used especially in the treatment of
respiratory and urinary tract infections and is intended for oral
administration. Cephalosporins differ from penicillins in the structure of
the bicyclic ring system. Cefalexin has an unsubstituted methyl group at the
3-position and a D-phenylglycyl group as substituent at the 7-amino
position. It's chemical name is 7-(D-alpha-Amino- alpha-phenyl acetamido)-
3-methyl-3-cephem- 4-carboxylic acid. Commercial cefalexin is available in a
monohydrate form which is a white crystalline powder with a bitter taste and
low solubility in water.

Nanny

> Hi Inge,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> to get the ABs tomorrow (Monday), give them the first doses, and ask their
> own vet about it on Tuesday. So hard to know what to do.
Howard C. Berkowitz - 15 Aug 2005 02:01 GMT
> Dear Marina,
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> working
> as it should.

I'm not absolutely sure which test you have in mind. Normally, we do a
culture to identify bacteria, and, as a second step, determine
antibiotic sensitivity.  While there are newer methods, the disk
inhibition test is easier to visualize.

In that method, once the bacterium has been isolated, a suspension of it
is spread evenly over the surface of an appropriate solid culture
medium. Think of a stiff jelly.  Onto the surface are also placed small
disks containing different antibiotics.

The culture is then incubated until there is visible bacterial growth.
Those antibiotics that kill the specific bacteria taken from this cat
will have a clear zone around them, where the bacteria won't grow.

Sometimes, once antibiotic therapy has begun, blood samples are taken to
measure the concentration in the patient (human or cat), to see that
there is enough to be effective.  This is coupled with a test called
minimum inhibitory concentration (MIC), where tubes of liquid media have
increasingly dilute antibiotic solutions are added, and then the pure
bacterial culture is put into the tubes. The MIC is the tube with the
least amount of antibiotic in which there is no bacterial growth.

As long as the measured blood concentration is greater than the MIC, the
antibiotic should be effective. MIC and blood concentration techniques
are rarely used even in human medicine, outside research environments.
They are most commonly used when the period of antibiotic treatment is
expected to be long, and also when the antibiotic is especially toxic.

I'm not sure if this is what you have in mind.  Much more specialized
techniques are needed when the bacteria, such as mycoplasma, treponemes,
ureaplasma or chlamydia, won't grow on conventional media.
Inge Grotjahn - 16 Aug 2005 20:37 GMT
Hi Howard,

Am 15.08.2005 schrieb Howard C. Berkowitz:

>> you should ask TED to make an antibiogramm (sorry, I don't know the
>> english word for it). A blood sample is taken to determin, which
>> antibiotic is still working on this special cat. Then the proper
>> antibiotic is chosen to treat hin. This procedure makes sure, that the
>> prescripted med. is working as it should.

> I'm not absolutely sure which test you have in mind. Normally, we do a
> culture to identify bacteria, and, as a second step, determine
> antibiotic sensitivity.  While there are newer methods, the disk
> inhibition test is easier to visualize.

This is what I meant. But I didn't tell Marina, to identify the bacterium,
which is involved with Frank, Miri and Caliban. I thought, it was common,
to make a culture of it.

I only told her, that Frank should be tested on his 'compatibility' to the
prescribed antibiotic. I think, this is what you call antibiotic
sensitivity.

I learned this from our tomcat Tientje, who is suffering from eosinophile
granuloma (he has it way back on his tongue and at his paws, which causes
open wounds, which get infected when he goes outside...) and had tons of
antibiotics in his life.

Then we found out, that some of the antibiotics didn't do the work anymore
when they were applied to him. So we had Tientjes blood checked and at the
end we got a list of antibiotics, which are working fine with him (still).

> As long as the measured blood concentration is greater than the MIC, the
> antibiotic should be effective. MIC and blood concentration techniques
> are rarely used even in human medicine, outside research environments.
> They are most commonly used when the period of antibiotic treatment is
> expected to be long, and also when the antibiotic is especially toxic.

I didn' know this. Thank you for explaining. May I use your posting on my
website? I would like to tell people, that they should be careful with
antibiotics because once there is a resistance, the antibiotic isn't
working anymore. I know, that a resistance is coming from either to short
period of applying or from a to long period of applying. Both can be fatal
in an emergency situation.

When it comes to antibiotics many TEDs and human doctors apply a broadband
antibiotic and they think, that this will do. I'm thinking different. I
prefer the _right_ antibiotic for treatment.

Purrs to you and thanks again for your very informative posting:-)
Inge and the catgang
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W. Leong - 14 Aug 2005 17:51 GMT
>> So sorry to hear this. Rusty is sending lots of purrs to Finland.
>> He tends to get the run while on antibiotics and also stopped eating.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Well, at least his tummy seems to work alright for now. Until I start
> giving him the ABs, of course.

Poor Frank. Rusty will keep purring for him, Miranda and Caliban.
I am lucky that Rusty loves both yogurt and canned pumpkin. I also gave him
the Lactobacillus acidophillus when he got persistent dirrahea last year. I
broke the capsule and sprinkled the contents in his food. But it didn't help
in his case. Only a change of prescription food work for him.
Sometimes I  do wonder whether vets prescribed AB as easily as human
doctors. At least in your case you can decide whether to  fill the
prescription. Here the vet prescribes and sells you the medicine. I think I
may be ablt to get them cheaper at a pharmacy if it stocks animal meds.

Winnie
Exocat - 13 Aug 2005 16:48 GMT
> Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off
> miranda seemed like she had something stuck in her throat.

Sorry to learn this, but relieved it isn't more serious.

Purrs that there's something of your fingers left once their course
of treatment is complete.

G & the FF
W. Leong - 13 Aug 2005 16:56 GMT
>> Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off miranda
>> seemed like she had something stuck in her throat.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> G & the FF

When I pill Rusty, I protect my finger with this thimble like 'tooth brush'
used to brush his teeth. It works very well except now Rusy associates
tooth brushing with pills.

Winnie
Gabey8 - 13 Aug 2005 17:10 GMT
Poor kitties! Purrs for the meds to clear up the infection ASAP!

A big giant (*#@!&$#@(*$ on this sort of thing. Captain and Stanley came
home from the shelter with some sort of kennel cough. If Caliban brought
the bug home, that's probably how.

In Captain and Stanley's case, spoiling them rotten for the next few weeks
did the trick and they got through it. Purrs for Frank, Mir, and Caliban's
recovery to be equally quick and complete.

Donna, Captain, and Stanley
Julie Cook - 15 Aug 2005 22:09 GMT
Purrs on the way that Frank is feeling much better very soon. Diarrhea
is scarey when it happens to your feline buddy and I'm sure especially
so for you since losing Nikki. It sounds like it is going to be
something that you can treat, however, and get everyone well again soon.
 My five send gentle headbutts and purrs to Frank, Miranda and Caliban
that they are all feeling better soon and special headbutts to you,
Marina, for taking such good care of them.

Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus
Christine K. - 13 Aug 2005 17:34 GMT
Aw dang! Now antibiotics and on top of that Frank's ordinary meds...
Sure hope the meds will do their job and all kitties will feel better soon.

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wafflycat - 13 Aug 2005 17:39 GMT
> It seems obvious to me that Caliban is the one who infected the others. I
> really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into something nasty.

Waffles here.

You see, I warned you about tabbies... (taps paw on desk...)

Frank! My Sweet! Teleport over to my warm furs and I will build up your
strength.

Ever yours, Waffles
Karen - 13 Aug 2005 18:35 GMT
> Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off miranda
> seemed like she had something stuck in her throat. So I hauled them both
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> It seems obvious to me that Caliban is the one who infected the others.
> I really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into something nasty.

Oh dear!! Purrs for a quick recovery. Seems much too short of time for Cal
to have given them an infection. Aren't incubation times for virii usually
around 10 days? At any rate mega healing purrs to all.
Marina - 13 Aug 2005 18:46 GMT
> Oh dear!! Purrs for a quick recovery. Seems much too short of time for Cal
> to have given them an infection. Aren't incubation times for virii usually
> around 10 days? At any rate mega healing purrs to all.

I have my suspicions. Now that I think more about it, I don't buy this
diagnosis. I think Miranda's tonsils are swollen because she's been
hissing and growling so much at Caliban. The vet admitted they don't
have the equipment at the emergency surgery to check all alternatives.
They checked Frank's blood, but not Miranda's. I'm going to hold off on
the antibiotics til Frank and Caliban have seen their own vet on
Tuesday, so I can get a second opinion. I just hope Frank doesn't take a
turn for the worse in the meantime.

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Susan M - 14 Aug 2005 16:27 GMT
"Marina" <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

> I have my suspicions. Now that I think more about it, I don't buy this
> diagnosis. I think Miranda's tonsils are swollen because she's been
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> can get a second opinion. I just hope Frank doesn't take a turn for the
> worse in the meantime.

Lots of purrs for Unkafrank to feel better soon, Caliban to receive a clean
bill of health, and Miranda's throat to feel better ASAP.  Karen's argument
makes sense about the number of days it usually takes for infections to
develop, though I'm no medical expert.

Lots and lots and lots of purrs,

Susan M
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Irulan - 13 Aug 2005 20:24 GMT
aw, poor babies. Glad you caught it early.
Lily & her mama
Jazz, RB

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> Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off miranda
> seemed like she had something stuck in her throat. So I hauled them both
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> It seems obvious to me that Caliban is the one who infected the others. I
> really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into something nasty.
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 13 Aug 2005 21:15 GMT
>Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off miranda
>seemed like she had something stuck in her throat. So I hauled them both
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>It seems obvious to me that Caliban is the one who infected the others.
>I really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into something nasty.

Oh my gosh, your poor babies.  And you have my sympathies on the
antibiotics!  Purrs that all will recover quickly and totally.

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polonca12000 - 13 Aug 2005 21:32 GMT
Lots of purrs and best wishes for the three kitties to be healthy again
really soon and hugs for you for having to give them the meds, you are such
a caring meowmie, Marina,
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> Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off miranda
> seemed like she had something stuck in her throat. So I hauled them both
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> It seems obvious to me that Caliban is the one who infected the others.
> I really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into something nasty.
badwilson - 14 Aug 2005 04:03 GMT
Ack, I'm sorry you're having all these troubles, Marina.  Having to
give 3 cats antibiotics does not sound like fun!  Many purrs for easy
pilling and for the treatment to be effective.
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> Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off
> miranda seemed like she had something stuck in her throat. So I
> hauled them both off to the emergency vet. I had to wait several
> hours while they were checking them, but the time went quickly
enough
> when a woman came in
> with a Norweigan Forest cat and we swapped kitty stories. It was the
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into something
> nasty.
CATherine - 14 Aug 2005 22:55 GMT
>Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off miranda
>seemed like she had something stuck in her throat. So I hauled them both
>off to the emergency vet.
>
>It seems obvious to me that Caliban is the one who infected the others.
>I really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into something nasty.

Purrs for Frank and Miranda to get well asap. And Caliban. I don't
think Caliban infected the others since the symptoms are quite
different. The incubation period is too short anyway. Maybe Frank and
Miranda caught different viruses on the island from something. I hope
the viruses are mild and heal quickly. You really have your work cut
out for you with three ill cats to medicate. Hugs,

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Steve Touchstone - 15 Aug 2005 09:26 GMT
>Today Frank's breathing sounded laboured, and to top it all off miranda
>seemed like she had something stuck in her throat. So I hauled them both
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>It seems obvious to me that Caliban is the one who infected the others.
>I really hope the AB works, and that it doesn't turn into something nasty.

Guess the only good news is that you've got a diagnosis. Purrs that it
will respond qucikly to the antiboiotics, and that everyone will be
well soon - and good luck with medicating all three.
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W. Leong - 13 Aug 2005 15:21 GMT
Frank, I am purring for you to feel better soon. I hate getting pills too.
But you should eat your kidney fud. I've been eating all kinds prescription
fud and they made me feel better right away.

Purrrrrrrrs,
Rusty

> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
> too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> his preferred sleeping place. I can't really enjoy Caliban's company when
> I worry so much about Frankie.
Melissa Houle - 15 Aug 2005 06:41 GMT
> This happens every time we get back from the island. Frank doesn't feel
> too good for a few days. But this time he's been under the weather for
> nearly a week. He has an upset tummy. It started before I brought home
> Caliban, so I don't think that's the reason. I made an appointment for
> him at the same time I'm taking Caliban in on Tuesday.

Hyperthyroidism can cause a runny tummy, so I'm hoping that's
> all it is. Poor boy, I can see he's not feeling very well. He hides
> furthest back in the sauna, where I can't reach him and cuddle him, so I
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I hope it IS a  health problem that the vet can make better soon, Marina.
This is NOT to lay a guilt trip on you at all, but the unfamiliar
surroundings might also be a part of Frank's current funk.  Cats do get
attached to places, and he was probably expecting to come home to familiar
surroundings, that is, your previous apartment.  Frank may be feeling
disoriented and maybe wondering if he's  losing his kitty marbles,
especially if you've rearranged your furniture a lot in the new place. And
of course, there are no trace scents of Nikki in the new apartment.  It's a
lot for an older kitty to absorb at once.   I'm sure Frank will get used to
his new place, and it seems hopeful to me that he and Caliban are getting
along as well as they are. HOpefully, he'll be back on pills soon, and that
the adequate medication will make him feel back to his normal self shortly.

Melissa
 
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