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Enfilade - 06 Aug 2005 21:02 GMT
We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
her.

How often should you bathe a cat?

The Bitties got washed in the sink as l'il bits, but haven't been
bathed since they grew up and stopped getting food all over themselves.

Smokey poops in his carrier all the time and fortunately he is very
calm in the tub, since he's the one who gets the baths.  Even for him
it's been well over a year though.

Anyway, I am kind of thinking maybe Nox needs a bath, but I don't
really want to die....

any ideas/advice?

--Fil
Jo Firey - 06 Aug 2005 21:07 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> --Fil
>ii

I usually give mine a bath a couple of times a year even if they don't seem
to need it.  But have to admit that Molly has been here since November and I
haven't worked up the nerve to try to give her a bath.  She was an adult
feral when we got her, and I've worked so hard to make friends with her.
But if there is going to be an accident, a paw or tail stepped on.  A door
closed too fast, someone pushed off the counter sideways, etc.  it seems
always to be me to her.  Jake doesn't like his bath but does like how he
looks and smells once he's done.

Jo
dopekitty - 08 Aug 2005 03:27 GMT
>>We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
>>Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Jo

Heh.. neither Tygra nor Possum has had a bath since they were bitties,
and those were usually accidental baths due to falling in the tub while
watching meowmie have her bath.  I brush Possum weekly and Tygra rarely
(she never seems to need it!)They keep themselves in tip top condition
on their own, and since they hate the big wet, why torture them or
myself by making them have one?

Kristy
Jo Firey - 08 Aug 2005 03:40 GMT
>>>We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
>>>Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Kristy

Our first cat Sam, quit grooming when he was about twelve years old, so I
was glad he was used to baths.  I've made it a point with each cat since to
get them used to the idea while they were still small enough to handle.  Now
the semi-annual baths are usually in honor or our youngest daughters visits.
Her fiancé is extremely allergic.  So the cats get a bath, the leather
furniture gets wiped down and the cats stay in our bedroom if we are
expecting the to visit for a while.

Jake injured his tongue a few years ago, and he doesn't seem to mind a quick
cleanup when he's really a mess.  I always use kitten shampoo since it is
designed to rinse easily.

Jo
Cheryl Perkins - 06 Aug 2005 21:19 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
> her.

> How often should you bathe a cat?

<snip>

My personal opinion is that you should not bathe a cat at all, unless
there are really exceptional circumstances - perhaps the cat fell into
something messy and poisonous, or in some other way got into such a mess
that his or her own grooming can't deal with the fur.

OTOH, it is possible to bathe cats, and I think some cats, such as show
cats, are bathed regularly. I think their owners begin when the cats are
kittens. My cat care book says cats only require bathing if they are
dirty, have a skin condition or live in a warm climate where ticks or
fleas are prevalent. The author does give instructions, and even a photo
of a wet cat who doesn't seem to mind being bathed. I think my cats would
rebel at the first step: "Begin by gradually wetting the cat's coat until
it is saturated." My two have firm opinions on water and their coats.

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Jo Firey - 06 Aug 2005 23:01 GMT
>> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
>> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> rebel at the first step: "Begin by gradually wetting the cat's coat until
> it is saturated." My two have firm opinions on water and their coats.

I've got to say I disagree with the book.  I'd say begin by getting a firm
one handed grip on the cat.

I can't manage to scruff them so I do a body hold with their chest in the
palm of my hand.

I always dilute some baby shampoo or kitten shampoo in a big plastic glass
of warm water.  And I don't run water directly on the cat.  I fill the glass
with warm water and then pour it over the cat.

I make sure there is a large unfolded bath towel to wrap the cat in as soon
as I'm done.  And I find the cats are easier to handle if its just one on
one.  No witnesses.

Jo
Philip - 07 Aug 2005 02:31 GMT
> I've got to say I disagree with the book.  I'd say begin by getting a firm
> one handed grip on the cat.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Jo

I agree with all your points especially ... "No Witnesses".   The cat will
be calmer without an audience.
Karen - 06 Aug 2005 22:07 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> --Fil

Any particular reason you think she needs a bath?
Enfilade - 06 Aug 2005 23:58 GMT
> Any particular reason you think she needs a bath?

1.  I've never bathed her

2.  I worry that the back of her head and other areas she can't groom
herself might get oily/nasty/unhygenic.

--Fil
Karen - 07 Aug 2005 00:06 GMT
>> Any particular reason you think she needs a bath?
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> --Fil

You could just take a damp paper towel and help her with those areas.
W. Leong - 07 Aug 2005 01:23 GMT
>>> Any particular reason you think she needs a bath?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>
> You could just take a damp paper towel and help her with those areas.

There are wipes for cats. Rusty doesn't like them. He was bathed onlyonce at
the vet. I don't have the courage to bath him. I used to wipe him with a
damp towel.
Philip - 07 Aug 2005 02:31 GMT
>> in article 1123369084.961105.315420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com,
>> Enfilade
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> a
> damp towel.

One way to introduce a recalcitrant kitty to the bathing concept is to wrap
the cat in a soaking wet (warm water) bath towel and then just go to town
working the water into their fur.  Once the cat knows its thoroughly soaked
AND that you are *confident* in what you are doing, the resitance dies down.

"I AM going to WASH you.  Resistance is Futile!"
jmcquown - 07 Aug 2005 01:30 GMT
>>> Any particular reason you think she needs a bath?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>
> You could just take a damp paper towel and help her with those areas.

They sell moist pet wipes, too.  Persia doesn't seem to mind those much.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3409&Ntt=pet%20wip
es&Ntk=All&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Np=1&N=2002&Nty=1


http://tinyurl.co.uk/zqdr

Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Aug 2005 21:51 GMT
>>>Any particular reason you think she needs a bath?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> You could just take a damp paper towel and help her with those areas.

As a matter of fact, I think I saw pre-moistened
"kitty-wipes" at Petco, if you really think it's necessary.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Aug 2005 21:50 GMT
>>Any particular reason you think she needs a bath?
>
> 1.  I've never bathed her
>
> 2.  I worry that the back of her head and other areas she can't groom
> herself might get oily/nasty/unhygenic.

Highly unlikely - cats are pretty efficient at grooming -
but wait until that happens.  (It probably won't, ever.)

> --Fil
Philip - 07 Aug 2005 02:31 GMT
>> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
>> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Any particular reason you think she needs a bath?

Cats really are not "clean."  They are covered with dried saliva.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Aug 2005 21:57 GMT
> Cats really are not "clean."  They are covered with dried saliva.

....Which is mildly antiseptic, as is that of any any animal
- including human.  (Why do you think most animals try to
lick their wounds?)  IMO, if a normal, healthy cat is not
hygenic enough for you, you shouldn't have companion animals
at all!
Philip - 08 Aug 2005 07:42 GMT
>> Cats really are not "clean."  They are covered with dried saliva.
>
> ....Which is mildly antiseptic, as is that of any any animal - including
> human.  (Why do you think most animals try to lick their wounds?)  IMO, if
> a normal, healthy cat is not hygenic enough for you, you shouldn't have
> companion animals at all!

So when I fail to meet your measure of care giving, then >I< am the one who
deserves no pets?   Go ahead, accuse me of what you are guilty.

See if you can manage your killfile more skillfully as it is the only tool
at your disposal for controlling others.
Katrina - 06 Aug 2005 22:14 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
> her.
>
> How often should you bathe a cat?

<snip>

> Anyway, I am kind of thinking maybe Nox needs a bath, but I don't
> really want to die....
>
> any ideas/advice?

I had to bathe Ming twice a week for the first month I had him
(big-time ringworm... all over his face and body).  Since then he
hasn't needed it.  Except for when they've gotten into something nasty
or there's been some other specific reason to, I don't bathe my cats.

Katrina
Adrian - 06 Aug 2005 22:37 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> --Fil

Snoopy is 15 years old and she's never had a bath. If she ever got
anything on her fur that would be dangerous, then I'd bath her,
thankfully this has never happend.
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Marina - 07 Aug 2005 04:06 GMT
> Snoopy is 15 years old and she's never had a bath. If she ever got
> anything on her fur that would be dangerous, then I'd bath her,
> thankfully this has never happend.

And Frank is 17, and has never had a bath. My thinking is the same as
yours; if he would get into someting messy or dangerous, I would wash
him, but I sincerely hope it will never come to that. I washed one of
Nikki's paws once, when she had stepped into some dirty water on one of
our walkies. It smelled so badly, I wanted to get it off her, just in
case there was something unhealthy in it. She took it alright, but then
she never minded getting wet.

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John F. Eldredge - 07 Aug 2005 05:32 GMT
>> Snoopy is 15 years old and she's never had a bath. If she ever got
>> anything on her fur that would be dangerous, then I'd bath her,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>case there was something unhealthy in it. She took it alright, but then
>she never minded getting wet.

I have only washed cats on a couple of occasions, when they got into a
substance such as motor oil which would potentially harm them if they
licked it off.  I have also had to treat a cat with an open sore from
an injury, which involved wrapping her in a towel each day before
squeezing antibiotic ointment into the wound.  She would try to squirm
away, but didn't actually fight me.

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Sumkatz - 08 Aug 2005 00:34 GMT
>I have only washed cats on a couple of occasions, when they got into a
>substance such as motor oil which would potentially harm them if they
>licked it off.  I have also had to treat a cat with an open sore from
>an injury, which involved wrapping her in a towel each day before
>squeezing antibiotic ointment into the wound.  She would try to squirm
>away, but didn't actually fight me.

I had to give Missy a bath once. She was great, she didn't even try to
get away. She just sat there, most regal, and voiced her displeasure
throughout the ordeal like only a Burmese or perhaps a Siamese could.

Does anyone know which is the most loud? I'd say Burmese, but then
I've never had the pleasure of the company of a Siamese for long.

  miaow
Cheryl Perkins - 08 Aug 2005 00:48 GMT
<snip>
> Does anyone know which is the most loud? I'd say Burmese, but then
> I've never had the pleasure of the company of a Siamese for long.

Having once had the priviledge of travelling in an elevator with a hoomin
and his Siamese who didn't appear to like elevators, I would be very
surprised if any cat, or for that matter, any member of the animal
kingdom, could be louder than an angry Siamese.

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Howard C. Berkowitz - 08 Aug 2005 01:22 GMT
> <snip>
> > Does anyone know which is the most loud? I'd say Burmese, but then
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> surprised if any cat, or for that matter, any member of the animal
> kingdom, could be louder than an angry Siamese.

Again, I hope someday to find a recording of the 911 call from a
hysterical burglar, screaming for the police to rescue him from the
monster.  Apparently, a resident Siamese made an all-claws, full battle
cry landing on his bald head as he crept through the dark house. You
could hear the cat over the burglar's desperate voice and
hyperventilation.
Jo Firey - 08 Aug 2005 03:44 GMT
>> <snip>
>> > Does anyone know which is the most loud? I'd say Burmese, but then
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> could hear the cat over the burglar's desperate voice and
> hyperventilation.

Our Sam (Siamese) could do a fair imitation of a mountain lion.  He liked to
hide in the hedge and scare the pee out of our neighbor's hound.
(literally)

The Siamese we've had since haven't been nearly as vocal.
Jo
jmcquown - 08 Aug 2005 04:15 GMT
>>> <snip>
>>>> Does anyone know which is the most loud? I'd say Burmese, but then
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> The Siamese we've had since haven't been nearly as vocal.
> Jo

No idea which is the most loud.  But the first time Persia acted all
protective of me (she heard a noise on the back patio) she emitted what I
can only liken to the deep threatening growl of a panther.  She scared *me*!
Ever since then, I've called her my grey panther :)

Jill
W. Leong - 08 Aug 2005 02:11 GMT
> <snip>
>> Does anyone know which is the most loud? I'd say Burmese, but then
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> surprised if any cat, or for that matter, any member of the animal
> kingdom, could be louder than an angry Siamese.

Rusty doesn't like elevators either, or maybe he associated it with going
to the vet as going down is worse than going up in tje elevator.
He feels better if I hold the carrier instead of putting it down on
the floor of the elevator.
Rusty is not Siamese, and he is a quiet cat.

Winnie
Bobcat - 08 Aug 2005 16:12 GMT
>>I have only washed cats on a couple of occasions, when they got into
> a
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> I've never had the pleasure of the company of a Siamese for long.
>   miaow

I love vocal cats. They seem to enjoy talking to us, but sometimes seem
impatient with how thick-headed we are when we don't understand them. Emily
is our chatterbox. She's not very loud, but she's insistent. She always
announces her presence when she comes into the room, and when you speak to
her she always has a reply for you. No wonder people talk to their cats.
C'mon, folks, admit it - you do too!
Sumkatz - 11 Aug 2005 22:44 GMT
>> Does anyone know which is the most loud? I'd say Burmese, but then
>> I've never had the pleasure of the company of a Siamese for long.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>wonder people talk to their cats.
>C'mon, folks, admit it - you do too!

I think it's inevitable. There was this grey tabby that lived here
that would make the 'prrrrup' noise. Both she and Missy would talk
back if you spoke to them. You could get quite a conversation going I
always wondered that if anyone was listening in or we had guests of
the none feline variety over they would realize that we were
communing with each other. No, scrap that, they didn't have a clue
and just thought we were crazy :)

Both these would announce their presence too, but you've got me
wondering if this is a human thing or a cat thing cos I would
announce my presence to the cats. When they do this maybe they're
saying your name in cat. We would need a multi-human household to
test this theory. Is the cat's announcement different for different
people?

  miaow
Kreisleriana - 12 Aug 2005 04:12 GMT
>>> Does anyone know which is the most loud? I'd say Burmese, but then
>>> I've never had the pleasure of the company of a Siamese for long.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>test this theory. Is the cat's announcement different for different
>people?

I dunno, but I always figured that Stinky talks so much because he
came to a talkative house.  He figured out quick that was the way
things were around here-- we made a lot of noise with our mouths, and
he was determined to fit in, and have his say.  

It was so funny at first when my mom and I would be having an animated
conversation, and Stinky would just come right up and "MEOW!"  My mom
would say, "Who asked you?  or "Another county heard from." ;)

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MaryL - 06 Aug 2005 22:58 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> --Fil

I never bathe my cats.  Holly was bathed when I first adopted her because
she was infested (not heavily) with fleas.  Other than that, they are both
indoor cats and both cats have healthy, glossy fur coats.  Unlike dogs, I
don't think healthy indoor cats need to be bathed unless a special situation
warrants it -- such as getting into something, illness with diarrhea, etc.

MaryL
Nik Simpson - 06 Aug 2005 23:34 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
> her.
>
> How often should you bathe a cat?

Typically, you should wait at least 6-9 months as that gives time for you
body to heal properly and for your cat to forgive you :-)

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Philip - 07 Aug 2005 02:31 GMT
>> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
>> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Typically, you should wait at least 6-9 months as that gives time for you
> body to heal properly and for your cat to forgive you :-)

Oh GEEEEEEEZE.  / :^ |
Masha - 06 Aug 2005 23:57 GMT
I've never bathed Otis, he's 16.  The only time I had to put him in water
was when he fell in a hot bath and I had to cool him down, so I put him in a
sink of tepid water, never again would I attempt it.  He doesn't need it
anyway, I've never heard of anyone bathing a cat.

> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> --Fil
jmcquown - 07 Aug 2005 00:26 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
> her.
>
> How often should you bathe a cat?

Never, unless necessary!  Every time I take Persia to be boarded they ask me
if I want her bathed.  Uh, no.  She's ticked off enough that I leave her
there; I will not risk her wrath by adding insult to injury ;)

Jill
Philip - 07 Aug 2005 02:31 GMT
>> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
>> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Jill

Maybe she's ticked off all the time for being so filthy (assuming Persia is
a Persian).
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Aug 2005 21:59 GMT
>>>We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
>>>Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Maybe she's ticked off all the time for being so filthy (assuming Persia is
> a Persian).

That does it!  (I thought I kill-filed this idiot once - how
did his posts get back in my "unread" list?)
Bobcat - 07 Aug 2005 23:31 GMT
>>>>We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
>>>>Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> That does it!  (I thought I kill-filed this idiot once - how did his posts
> get back in my "unread" list?)

Oh, yeah, Enfilade. Now I remember plonking him too. In my case it worked,
because I've only seen his grotesqueries when they're quoted in other
people's posts. But I guess there's nothing you can do about it in that
case.
jmcquown - 08 Aug 2005 00:57 GMT
>>>> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
>>>> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> That does it!  (I thought I kill-filed this idiot once - how
> did his posts get back in my "unread" list?)

He must have crawled out like the troll he is.  For his edification (why am
I bothering?) Persia is a DSH, not a Persian.  She is an indoor only cat and
most definitely *not* ticked off all the time and not dirty.  IIRC, this
Philip character doesn't know squat about cats.
Adrian - 08 Aug 2005 10:47 GMT
>>>> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
>>>> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> That does it!  (I thought I kill-filed this idiot once - how
> did his posts get back in my "unread" list?)

I killfiled the troll long ago, seeing it's quoted posts I've no reason
to change my mind.
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Philip - 07 Aug 2005 02:16 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
> her.
>
> How often should you bathe a cat?

I've learned that the earlier you introduce cats to the shower, the easier
it is to bathe them.  Omar (brown tabby male) is 16 weeks old now and has
been bathed 4 times. He puts his paws up on the shower tub edge and chirps a
few times and looks inquisitive so ... I pick him up and hold him against my
chest under the shower stream.  No squirming, no scratching, no yowling,
.... soaked kitty in short order.  Apply about a tablespoon of mild shampoo
all over, lather, rinse thoroughly, wrap him up in a towel and dry.  Been
washing our cats this way for decades.

The wash interval varies with the cat, if an indoor/outdoor cat, and the
weather.  But every 2-4 weeks seems to be the average range for short hair
cats.  I've never owned long hairs or a Persian.
Victor Martinez - 07 Aug 2005 04:38 GMT
> I've learned that the earlier you introduce cats to the shower, the easier
> it is to bathe them.  Omar (brown tabby male) is 16 weeks old now and has
> been bathed 4 times. He puts his paws up on the shower tub edge and chirps a

Please tell me you're kidding. Why on earth would you bathe a kitten so
often? Are you nuts?

> all over, lather, rinse thoroughly, wrap him up in a towel and dry.  Been
> washing our cats this way for decades.

Why?

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Philip - 07 Aug 2005 15:42 GMT
>> I've learned that the earlier you introduce cats to the shower, the
>> easier it is to bathe them.  Omar (brown tabby male) is 16 weeks old now
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Why?

"Cuz Omar is that curious about water. As you can see, whatever genetic mix
is in Omar's makeup, he and water are buds.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/Omar6.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/OmarStartled.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/OmarSprawled2.jpg

He loves drinking from one of our bathroom faucets (old and dripping), he
will perch on a toilet seat and paddle the water so ... we've had to
institute a "Toilet LID DOWN" policy because he did fall in the bowl the
first week we got him.  He was 8-9 weeks old.  Every time anyone is washing
dishes, he's up on the counter ... over to the sink ... and bats at whatever
is getting rinsed.    Unlike any other cat I've owned, this one has no
dislike for water.

But you also ask ... "Are you nuts?"    I would ask you the same question
for not ever hosing down a cat. Fer Pete's sake, what furred animal
operating under natural conditions never ever gets wet during their entire
life?  Cats' "wash/lick" their fur because ... they are covered with dirt
... they know it ... and they can taste it.
Victor Martinez - 07 Aug 2005 16:00 GMT
> first week we got him.  He was 8-9 weeks old.  Every time anyone is washing
> dishes, he's up on the counter ... over to the sink ... and bats at whatever
> is getting rinsed.    Unlike any other cat I've owned, this one has no
> dislike for water.

Not being afraid of water and wanting to play with it is *very*
different from actually enjoying being wet. Rufous loves to play with
falling droplets of water, but he does not enjoy getting wet one bit.

> But you also ask ... "Are you nuts?"    I would ask you the same question
> for not ever hosing down a cat. Fer Pete's sake, what furred animal
> operating under natural conditions never ever gets wet during their entire
> life?  Cats' "wash/lick" their fur because ... they are covered with dirt
> .... they know it ... and they can taste it.

You don't know much about cats, do you? It's not about never getting
wet, it's about getting wet on purpose and soaping them. Do you think
soap has been part of the natural evolution of cats? Some cats enjoy
water. Many big cats even like swimming.
I have read many books on cats. I've researched a lot about cats online.
I've talked with many cat experts. I have yet to hear from any
knowledgeable source that bathing cats is recommended as a regular
practice. I think you should reconsider your practice of bathing cats
for no good reason.

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Philip - 07 Aug 2005 16:51 GMT
>> first week we got him.  He was 8-9 weeks old.  Every time anyone is
>> washing dishes, he's up on the counter ... over to the sink ... and bats
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> from actually enjoying being wet. Rufous loves to play with falling
> droplets of water, but he does not enjoy getting wet one bit.

NOT the way THIS cat gets into it!   LOL   When he fell in the toilet bowl,
I heard yelps from the bathroom and went to investigate. He had a look on
his face ... "What the Hell is this?"

>> But you also ask ... "Are you nuts?"    I would ask you the same question
>> for not ever hosing down a cat. Fer Pete's sake, what furred animal
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> You don't know much about cats, do you?

I've owned cats for over 60 of my 70 years so get off your Huffy bike.
Nearly all have been extraordinarily healthy and lived to their late teens.
Until visiting the health+behavior forum, I had never heard ... let alone
had a cat afflicted with the sorts of bizarre health problems (blood, liver,
intestinal, skin) that people in that forum seem to run across routinely.
Cat fight injuries were about it ... but for a pair of seal point Siamese
where the male developed a little hemorrhoid and had one bout with a mild
urinary blockage.  Par for that course.

> It's not about never getting wet, it's about getting wet on purpose and
> soaping them. Do you think soap has been part of the natural evolution of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> practice. I think you should reconsider your practice of bathing cats for
> no good reason.

You could just as easily ask "has canned food or dry kibble been part of
cats' natural evolution?"  Or deliberate cross breeding solely for the sake
of appearance (Persians and Sphinxes for starters).  Or living ONLY indoors.

"Bathing a cat for no good reason" is your opinion.  I prefer to let the
animal make that call. He knows when he tastes like dirt better than you.
LOL  When this cat hops up on the edge of the shower tub and wants to get
wet ... fine. One thing I feel confident about already is that this cat will
not have recurring furballs ... what with his short fur and penchant for
getting soaked.  :^)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Aug 2005 22:09 GMT
> I've owned cats for over 60 of my 70 years so get off your Huffy bike.

Oh, then perhaps we should commiserate - Alzheimers appears
a distinct possibility.
Bobcat - 07 Aug 2005 18:05 GMT
>> first week we got him.  He was 8-9 weeks old.  Every time anyone is
>> washing dishes, he's up on the counter ... over to the sink ... and bats
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> no good reason.
> Victor M. Martinez

I agree. Cats are fastidious folk who nature has taught to self-dry-clean.
IMO under normal circumstances they shouldn't be bathed. Of course it's
different if something unusual happens - e.g., where they become covered
with some substance they can't cope with and it must be washed off. But I
don't think I'd attempt it myself, especially if it's a potentially
dangerous or toxic substance. I'd take my kitty to a vet, have her bathed
professionally, and hang the cost.

BTW I wrote a little piece for Flippy's website about our Emily's ability to
keep herself clean - and clean me up too!

http://www.flippyscatpage.com/emilybath.html
Christina Websell - 07 Aug 2005 21:29 GMT
>> first week we got him.  He was 8-9 weeks old.  Every time anyone is
>> washing dishes, he's up on the counter ... over to the sink ... and bats
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> practice. I think you should reconsider your practice of bathing cats for
> no good reason.

I'm with Victor on this.  Although I'd be interested to know why you think
it's a regular necessity.
Kitty FC is 18 years old and AFAIK she has never had a bath, neither has
Boyfriend - since they were with me anyway.  They don't need one.

Tweed
Philip - 08 Aug 2005 07:42 GMT
> I'm with Victor on this.  Although I'd be interested to know why you think
> it's a regular necessity.
> Kitty FC is 18 years old and AFAIK she has never had a bath, neither has
> Boyfriend - since they were with me anyway.  They don't need one.
>
> Tweed

The non-bathers are afraid of their cats. Listen to the excuses.

In our case, we have a variety of  visitors to our home throughout the week.
With our past cats, a recurring mention from visitors is "I often have an
allergic reaction to cats but ... not yours ..."
Steve Touchstone - 10 Aug 2005 06:51 GMT
>The non-bathers are afraid of their cats. Listen to the excuses.

Nah, I don't think so. I just don't think it's necessary to bathe a
cat, unless, like many have said, they've gotten into something they
shouldn't and it would be toxic if they licked whatever they've gotten
into.

No one here is saying you can't accustom a cat to bathing. We know
they're remarkedly adaptable, and whether they'd admit it or don't
trainable. Lots of the cats here have their claws regularly clipped,
which is not something most cats would allow unless they've become
used to it.

>In our case, we have a variety of  visitors to our home throughout the week.
>With our past cats, a recurring mention from visitors is "I often have an
>allergic reaction to cats but ... not yours ..."

OK, I guess an exception is if you or a regular visitor is allergic to
cat dander. I suppose another exception would be for a cat who sheds a
lot, and has problems with excessive hairballs or becoming impacted.
Still, I'd probably try some of those cat wipes first.

Back to the OP, you might try goggling it. I did, and the first link I
checked out (http://www.petgroomer.com/ARTICLES/whyit.htm) does
recommend bathing your cat regularly. Frequency depends on your reason
for bathing, from weekly to change of season.

But like I said above, I don't feel they need it. No one here
allergic, no excessive hairballs, and regular brushing (which they all
like, and LB LOVES) seemse to keep shedding under control. I just
don't see trying in my case.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 11 Aug 2005 04:21 GMT
> But like I said above, I don't feel they need it. No one here
> allergic, no excessive hairballs, and regular brushing (which they all
> like, and LB LOVES) seemse to keep shedding under control. I just
> don't see trying in my case.

According to my vet (who SHOULD know!), too frequent bathing
 can increase both the dander and the shedding, since it
removes the natural oils that help prevent such problems.
Philip - 11 Aug 2005 04:55 GMT
>> But like I said above, I don't feel they need it. No one here
>> allergic, no excessive hairballs, and regular brushing (which they all
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> both the dander and the shedding, since it removes the natural oils that
> help prevent such problems.

DON'T get me started on what vets SHOULD know.  It's a sore subject and why
I have come to believe in NOT subjecting my cats to unnecessary vaccinations
and prophylactic visits.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 11 Aug 2005 16:48 GMT
>>>But like I said above, I don't feel they need it. No one here
>>>allergic, no excessive hairballs, and regular brushing (which they all
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I have come to believe in NOT subjecting my cats to unnecessary vaccinations
> and prophylactic visits.

In case anyone here still doubted you were an idiot, you
just confirmed it!  P-L-O-N-K! (With the hope you STAY
filtered, this time.)
Victor Martinez - 11 Aug 2005 18:07 GMT
> In case anyone here still doubted you were an idiot, you just confirmed
> it!  P-L-O-N-K! (With the hope you STAY filtered, this time.)

For some reason my filter keeps letting his messages through. I don't
understand what's going on.

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Philip - 11 Aug 2005 18:44 GMT
>> In case anyone here still doubted you were an idiot, you just confirmed
>> it!  P-L-O-N-K! (With the hope you STAY filtered, this time.)
>
> For some reason my filter keeps letting his messages through. I don't
> understand what's going on.

You and Ms Gambe have the same faulty newsreader?   As ANY practiced header
reader can see, it's nothing I'm doing.
Philip - 11 Aug 2005 18:44 GMT
>>>>But like I said above, I don't feel they need it. No one here
>>>>allergic, no excessive hairballs, and regular brushing (which they all
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> In case anyone here still doubted you were an idiot, you just confirmed
> it!  P-L-O-N-K! (With the hope you STAY filtered, this time.)

Would anyone care to tell me what's wrong with this queen
(EvelynVogtGamble)?   To boot, s/he holds me responsible for her/his
inability to manage her/his newsreader filter.
-L. - 10 Aug 2005 07:22 GMT
> > I'm with Victor on this.  Although I'd be interested to know why you think
> > it's a regular necessity.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> With our past cats, a recurring mention from visitors is "I often have an
> allergic reaction to cats but ... not yours ..."

Phillip, it is bad for their skin to be bathed more than every 4-6
months. It strips the natural oils from the skin.  Trust me on this one
- it can lead to dermatitis and an array of skin problems you DO NOT
want to develop.

-L.
Philip - 10 Aug 2005 08:40 GMT
>> > I'm with Victor on this.  Although I'd be interested to know why you
>> > think
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> -L.

Been bathin' cats on an as needed basis for decades .... and never a single
skin problem.  Common sense Lyn (you know I possess a modicum) dictates one
not dip the cat in Wisk and then toss the critter in the washing machine set
on Heavy Duty cycle and close the lid.   I mentioned the table spoon or less
of mild hoooman shampoo that I typically use and how I apply and rinse it
off.
Steve Touchstone - 10 Aug 2005 22:33 GMT
>Been bathin' cats on an as needed basis for decades .... and never a single
>skin problem.  Common sense Lyn (you know I possess a modicum) dictates one
>not dip the cat in Wisk and then toss the critter in the washing machine set
>on Heavy Duty cycle and close the lid.   I mentioned the table spoon or less
>of mild hoooman shampoo that I typically use and how I apply and rinse it
>off.

I have to say you're really coming across as a troll. I had you in the
killfile a while back, but took you out to see if anything had changed
since the end of that troll fest that was going on. I read some of
your posts which seemed to fit right in here. Now you seem fixated on
this bathing question. I thought in the beginning you could be
interested in the responses from the regulars, but it seems you
already had your answer set in mind, and are now just arguing with
anyone who answers. It certainly doesn't seem like you were looking
for an answer to the question, but were instead looking for something
to stir up an argument.

To me that makes you a troll - so PLONK
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Aug 2005 22:07 GMT
>> first week we got him.  He was 8-9 weeks old.  Every time anyone is
>> washing dishes, he's up on the counter ... over to the sink ... and
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> practice. I think you should reconsider your practice of bathing cats
> for no good reason.

Victor, this guy is a troll, I think.  He made a series of
idiotic posts here, sometime back (which also betrayed a
total lack of knowledge and understanding of cats).  I
thought I'd plonked him then, but my filters must have slipped.
badwilson - 07 Aug 2005 04:28 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> --Fil

I dunno.  Vino is 7 and has never had a bath.  He's indoor only and I
don't reckon he gets too dirty.  He grooms himself a lot.  We like to
threaten him with a bath every now and again, but I don't know if
either of us could actually go through with it!
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Victor Martinez - 07 Aug 2005 04:34 GMT
> How often should you bathe a cat?

Once. But only if needed. All our cats, except Fez, Rufous and Xoxo were
bathed once. Because they had fleas when they came to us.

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Sandy - 07 Aug 2005 04:41 GMT
I have never bathed a cat.  The closest I've come to that was to wipe a
kitten down a wet washcloth when it was getting sick from the flea spray the
vet told me to use on him.  I do groom my cats: I've used different kinds of
combs and brushes for that, whatever seems best for the particular cat.

Sandy
-L. - 07 Aug 2005 07:25 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
> her.
>
> How often should you bathe a cat?

I used to be the primary groomer at a high-volume feline specialty
clinic.  Don't bathe cats more than once every 6 months, unless
medically necessary.  Cats in general don't need baths unless they have
skin conditions, fleas or lay in the dirt outside a lot.  They should
be combed at least weekly (DSH) or every-other day (DLH, Persians or
Himmies), though.  best tool for grooming is a medium-toothed metal
grooming comb, regarless of hair length or type.

That being said my cats are 14 and 15 and have been bathed once, after
their last dental, when they were conked out. :)

-L.
Steve Touchstone - 07 Aug 2005 09:24 GMT
>We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
>Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>any ideas/advice?

I figure if mine ever need it I'll let Mischief's Krity do it ;-)

Their TED sends out a purrday card every year, with an offer of a
complimentary bath. I took him up on it the first year with LB. Only
that one time, though, since she didn't seem to happy with the
results.
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Debbie Wilson - 07 Aug 2005 11:41 GMT
> How often should you bathe a cat?

IMHO, never, unless they need it because they've got something nasty all
over them, or need it due to a dire case of fleas or other medical
reason. All my 4 smell very nice, entirely due to their own efforts. if
the diet is good and health is sound, a DSH coat should be shiny and
naturally clean. Pedigree coats may need more attention. If it's a breed
that can get gunky eyes sometimes e.g Persians, then I would probably
use a pet-safe wipe for those areas alone. If it's an elderly cat that
can't reach all the places to wash, I'd help out with a wipe in those
places.

The only 2 cats I've bathed were a foster kitten called Betsy who was
abandoned by her mother at a very young age, and was also slightly
brain-damaged so didn't know how to wash herself, or how to use a litter
tray properly. I used to wash her daily in a hand basin using tepid
water and a drop of baby shampoo, then dry her with a cool hairdryer and
a towel. She was very patient and as far as I could tell didn't mind at
all. One day I noticed her licking her fur for herself, and we never
looked back - she learned how to wash properly all by herself. And
eventually, mostly, use the litter tray.

The other cat I bathed was an elderly foster cat called Ben who had
undiagnosed hyperthyroid, and essentially had 3 coats of fur as it grew
so fast and wasn't brushed out. After brushing out bagfuls of dead fur,
I could see the skin was greasy and unhealthy. Instead of subjecting him
to a soaking I used a bran bath for him, where you heat up dry bran to
body temp then massage it into the fur, leave for a short while and
brush it all out. It soaks up excess oils etc. It actually worked very
well and he didn't mind it too much.

Just my 2p's worth -

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Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Aug 2005 19:22 GMT
> How often should you bathe a cat?

I don't know about "should," but Oscar's only had a bath once -- when
she had a bacterial infection as a kitten and got herself all messy.
She didn't like it much then; I'd hate to think what would happen to
me if I tried it now.

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Christina Websell - 07 Aug 2005 20:41 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> --Fil

I wouldn't bath either of my cats unless they got some substance on them
that would be toxic to them to lick off, or they fell into manure or some
such thing.
I can't understand why anyone would want to bath them on a regular basis and
if Nox is happy as she is, has nothing nasty on her fur and smells okay I
would say leave her.
Just my 2p worth.

Tweed
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Aug 2005 21:45 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
> her.
>
> How often should you bathe a cat?

Unless they get into something particularly nasty that they
have obvious problems dealing with themselves, I'd say
NEVER!  Except for a very occasional flea bath at the vets
(which has seldom been necessary, because any serious flea
problems have been few and far between), I have never bathed
a cat in my entire life!  One of the advantages of cats over
dogs is that they groom themselves!  If a dog smells
"doggy", it needs a bath - if a cat smells "catty", it more
likely needs a visit to the vet for health reasons. (Healthy
cats don't smell.)

> The Bitties got washed in the sink as l'il bits, but haven't been
> bathed since they grew up and stopped getting food all over themselves.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> --Fil
Philip - 08 Aug 2005 07:42 GMT
snip
> One of the advantages of cats over dogs is that they groom themselves!  If
> a dog smells "doggy", it needs a bath - if a cat smells "catty", it more
> likely needs a visit to the vet for health reasons. (Healthy cats don't
> smell.)

Rubbish.  Perfecly healthy cats DO have an odor unless of course ... they
happen to be your cats in which case you may smell like them!  LOL
Obviously some people get watering eyes and sniffles (allergic reaction) to
cats without rubbing their noses in the cat's fur in a fairly short time
period.
Hans Schrøder - 08 Aug 2005 01:18 GMT
> We've had Nocturne for 3.5 years now and she has never had a bath.
> Maybe she had one at the animal shelter, but not since we've gotten
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> any ideas/advice?

It depends on the breed, I guess. Most cats don't need extra bathing at all,
but a Sphynx cat, which is hairless, needs to be washed about once a week.

I have got two Devon Rex cats, and I don't need to bathe them at all. Well,
in fact, Teti can manage a bathe all by himself. He follows me into the
shower and sits right outside until I'm finished. Then he goes in to inspect
the water that is left on the floor, and watch it run down the drain... Of
course, he gets quite wet doing this, but that doesn't bother him at all. In
fact, he likes water.

His mother, though, acts more like a "normal" cat. Doesn't enter the
bathroom until it's dried up, but I don't bathe her anyway. They are
shorthairs, and can manage very well without being bathed at all.

Hans
treeline12345@yahoo.com - 08 Aug 2005 10:01 GMT
I agree. Although my cat sleeps in one of two twin sinks - if I turn on
the water in the other empty sink, she gets up and leaves. So I try not
to disturb her nap time by turning on the water right then.
 
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