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Philip - 29 Jul 2005 02:21 GMT
We adopted an 8 week old male brown tabby from the local animal shelter.
Presently he's 15 weeks old, 5 lbs, healthy, very active, and .... has this
peculiar urge to suckle nearly any available hoooman arm.  I don't mean just
a polite sniff and a lick.  I mean an aggressive slurping suction with two
paws kneeding my skin!  Sometimes he takes to my neck (ie in the morning
when I'm just coming to).

What's this all about?  Will he outgrow this behavior?  Can I rent an
artificial kitty breast and fill it with formula?

-Philip
Pat - 29 Jul 2005 02:31 GMT
> We adopted an 8 week old male brown tabby from the local animal shelter.
> Presently he's 15 weeks old, 5 lbs, healthy, very active, and .... has this
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> What's this all about?  Will he outgrow this behavior?  Can I rent an
> artificial kitty breast and fill it with formula?

I've got one about the same age who never gives up trying to suck on my
ears. I just keep brushing her away. Her attempts are becoming fewer with
time. I expect yours will give up too if you just don't let him get what he
wants. Be as firm as you have to be and as gentle as possible.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 29 Jul 2005 03:16 GMT
> We adopted an 8 week old male brown tabby from the local animal shelter.
> Presently he's 15 weeks old, 5 lbs, healthy, very active, and .... has this
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> What's this all about?  Will he outgrow this behavior?  Can I rent an
> artificial kitty breast and fill it with formula?

This often happens when kittens are taken from their mothers
too soon - especially Siamese, who apparently need longer
with mama than other breeds.  I'm not sure what to suggest,
the only cat I had who did that fortunately outgrew it.
(But thanks to him, I showed up at work with a hickey on my
neck more than once - try explaining THAT with "the cat did
it"!!!!)
Philip - 29 Jul 2005 04:37 GMT
>> We adopted an 8 week old male brown tabby from the local animal shelter.
>> Presently he's 15 weeks old, 5 lbs, healthy, very active, and .... has
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> hickey on my neck more than once - try explaining THAT with "the cat did
> it"!!!!)

It is entertainment for our guests ... that's the upside.   The first time
this suckling thing occurred, the target of Omar's affection was my wife and
.... let's just say he found what he was looking for.  She woke up with a
shriek ... scared the hell out of me at 04:00!

I tried keeping a small baby bottle on the nightstand with liquid kitten
formula in it but ... that was a failure.

Explaining a hickey is too funny!   LOL
Victor Martinez - 29 Jul 2005 03:31 GMT
> What's this all about?  Will he outgrow this behavior?  Can I rent an
> artificial kitty breast and fill it with formula?

Our Rufous still does that, he's 2 years old. Fortunately for us, he
prefers to use the faux lambswool in his favorite bed. :)

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Paul Olson - 29 Jul 2005 17:55 GMT
>> What's this all about?  Will he outgrow this behavior?  Can I rent an
>> artificial kitty breast and fill it with formula?
>
> Our Rufous still does that, he's 2 years old. Fortunately for us, he
> prefers to use the faux lambswool in his favorite bed. :)

My two Tabbys are about 3 and still do it, also.  They do not suckle,
but the "paw kneading" can be pretty vigorous at times.  I count it as
a free "throat massage" for me.  (And no hickeys!)  They were free
giveaway kittens (two sisters) and I really have no idea how early they
were separated from Mama Cat.
Philip - 29 Jul 2005 18:32 GMT
>>> What's this all about?  Will he outgrow this behavior?  Can I rent an
>>> artificial kitty breast and fill it with formula?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> kittens (two sisters) and I really have no idea how early they were
> separated from Mama Cat.

My last Tabby (including Conan) did the "milk dance" daily.  But Omar gets
really vigorous and slobbering.  Like I have said, when he goes to town on a
visitors arm, it's funnier than hell.  LOL   When he's done, he heads over
to the water dish to replenish himself!  Covering up with a long sleeved
shirt only prevents him from "doing" your arm.
CatNipped - 29 Jul 2005 03:47 GMT
> We adopted an 8 week old male brown tabby from the local animal shelter.
> Presently he's 15 weeks old, 5 lbs, healthy, very active, and .... has this
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -Philip

How awful for you.  Are you going to return him to the high kill shelter
like you did Conan?
jmcquown - 29 Jul 2005 05:55 GMT
>> We adopted an 8 week old male brown tabby from the local animal
>> shelter. Presently he's 15 weeks old, 5 lbs, healthy, very active,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> How awful for you.  Are you going to return him to the high kill
> shelter like you did Conan?

Please don't start the Conan thing again.
CatNipped - 29 Jul 2005 13:41 GMT
> >> We adopted an 8 week old male brown tabby from the local animal
> >> shelter. Presently he's 15 weeks old, 5 lbs, healthy, very active,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Please don't start the Conan thing again.

Wouldn't dream of it Jill.  But I just wanted to clue in those people here
who didn't know about Phillip's modus operandi.  First he comes into a group
to ask an innocent question - then he starts trolling and attacking (I'm his
favorite "compassion nazi" because I'm not as cold-hearted as he is
regarding "mere animals").  The whole "Conan thing" would never have
happened if he hadn't trolled rpch+b, announced he had "exchanged" Conan
(because he had a cold) at a high kill shelter for his current kitten, and
then egged everyone else on fanning the flames as high as he could.

Hugs,

CatNipped
sriddles@aol.com - 29 Jul 2005 14:39 GMT
.

> Wouldn't dream of it Jill.  But I just wanted to clue in those people here
> who didn't know about Phillip's modus operandi.  First he comes into a group
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> CatNipped

It just all goes back You can never explain away a troll. It just fuels
things, every time. Everyone here I think already knows the whole story
anyway.
The only way, the *only* way to avoid another repeat is to ignore the
little digs and bury the old stuff. For good.

Sherry
CatNipped - 29 Jul 2005 15:03 GMT
> .
> >
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Sherry

True.  But the warning was because I didn't want to see friends be hurt.
Especially in light of what has happened to Stacey.  But you're right, I
should not need to put on my MaMere hat and be over-protective of people
here - we're all adults.

Hugs,

CatNipped
sriddles@aol.com - 29 Jul 2005 15:18 GMT
> True.  But the warning was because I didn't want to see friends be hurt.
> Especially in light of what has happened to Stacey.  But you're right, I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Yes, we are, MaMere! :-)  I think also just because a lot of folks
choose to lurk more than post, doesn't mean they don't know *exactly*
what's going on. Not that I lurk much--I'm far too impetuous. But I
*was* forced into lurking once because of no newsgroup access, I could
read posts but couldn't post. It was a whole different experience. It
was like seeing a ballgame "from the bleachers" instead of playing in
the game.

Sherry
Howard C. Berkowitz - 29 Jul 2005 16:20 GMT
I adopted my clowder at one time: Mr. Clark as an adult neutered male,
we assume 3 years old, and the two kittens, Ding and Rhonda, of 4 and 3
months.  Mr. Clark immediately took on responsibility for the kittens,
grooming, cuddling, and generally instructing in responsible cathood.

He also allowed them to nurse, although he managed to convey an attitude
of immense martyrdom (I, a former tomcat, am accepting my role with my
sensitive side. As a kitten, I never expected to be cast as Alan Alda).
Jo Firey - 29 Jul 2005 22:27 GMT
>I adopted my clowder at one time: Mr. Clark as an adult neutered male,
> we assume 3 years old, and the two kittens, Ding and Rhonda, of 4 and 3
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> of immense martyrdom (I, a former tomcat, am accepting my role with my
> sensitive side. As a kitten, I never expected to be cast as Alan Alda).

Tell Mr Clark for me that his responsible caring attitude for the kittens is
so heroic of him.  And it could be worse.  Our Sam took on the role for our
newborn poodle puppy that was rejected by his mother after a csection.
Though I'm generally inclined to believe he was mostly motivated by trying
to get it to shut up.  He would come a yowl at me when it needed fed.

Jo
Kreisleriana - 29 Jul 2005 20:02 GMT
>> .
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>should not need to put on my MaMere hat and be over-protective of people
>here - we're all adults.

Who you calling an adult??!!!  :P

Theresa

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CatNipped - 29 Jul 2005 22:20 GMT
> >> .
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Who you calling an adult??!!!  :P

Not me!  I refuse to grow up, that's no fun at all!  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

> Theresa
>
> Theresa
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Yowie - 30 Jul 2005 01:01 GMT
>> .
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> should not need to put on my MaMere hat and be over-protective of people
> here - we're all adults.

I'm prepared to give Philip a fair go, because I studiously ignore the cr*p
that goes on in other groups. To me, he is merely another newbie asking a
genuine question and will I will make him feel welcome and treat him as I do
all other newcomers. If he is indeed a troll, and that is yet to be seen,
his true colours will show through eventually, but I don't think we at RPCA
should pre-judge him for his behaviour in other groups. This is RPCA, and
what people get up to in other groups is their business, not ours. As long
as a person abides by the "culture" of RPCA, their posting history in other
groups is irrelevant, IMHO.

Yowie
Victor Martinez - 30 Jul 2005 01:03 GMT
> should pre-judge him for his behaviour in other groups. This is RPCA, and
> what people get up to in other groups is their business, not ours. As long
> as a person abides by the "culture" of RPCA, their posting history in other
> groups is irrelevant, IMHO.

Right. However, if he indeed returned a kitten to a kill shelter because
he had developed a cold, he, IMNSHO, does not belong here.

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Philip - 30 Jul 2005 02:06 GMT
>> should pre-judge him for his behaviour in other groups. This is RPCA, and
>> what people get up to in other groups is their business, not ours. As
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Right. However, if he indeed returned a kitten to a kill shelter because
> he had developed a cold, he, IMNSHO, does not belong here.

Victor ... please get your facts straight before you make the judgement that
you seem to have already.  The private email offer still stands.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 30 Jul 2005 18:34 GMT
>>>should pre-judge him for his behaviour in other groups. This is RPCA, and
>>>what people get up to in other groups is their business, not ours. As
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Victor ... please get your facts straight before you make the judgement that
> you seem to have already.  The private email offer still stands.

Hmmm.... I've not encountered you on any other group,
Phillip, but you appear to be starting off on the wrong foot
here, as well!   Before you begin bad-mouthing respected
members of our rpca community (Cat-Nipped, Victor....)
suppose you lurk for a while, until you learn what the group
is like?  (And perhaps learn better manners?)
Philip - 31 Jul 2005 01:20 GMT
In news:dcgdnh01tr5@news3.newsguy.com,
<evgmsop@earthlink.net> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) passed the following
gas:

> > > > should pre-judge him for his behaviour in other groups. This is
> > > > RPCA, and what people get up to in other groups is their business,
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> suppose you lurk for a while, until you learn what the group
> is like?  (And perhaps learn better manners?)

Your respected member is ill/un informed and in the process of making an
assessment from incorrect information. Would you prefer I just let that
person run around with their fly unzipped?  Maybe you would.

CatNipped has earned the killfile twice now.

Conan was not a kitten, had more than a cold, and all municipal shelters in
CA are "kill shelters."

I've been lurking for longer than my first post.

Perhaps you might email CATherine.     :^)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 31 Jul 2005 21:51 GMT
> In news:dcgdnh01tr5@news3.newsguy.com,
> <evgmsop@earthlink.net> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) passed the following
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Perhaps you might email CATherine.     :^)

Okay, become a pariah here, too - if you can't learn from
experience, why should anyone here care?  (P-L-O-N-K!)
Philip - 30 Jul 2005 02:06 GMT
> I'm prepared to give Philip a fair go, because I studiously ignore the
> cr*p that goes on in other groups. To me, he is merely another newbie
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Yowie

Thank you Yowie.  For all the tumult and tribulation I've endured "over
there" (to say nothing of the acerbic rancor that continues "over there"), I
don't care to visit H+B forum.  I will make myself available to any persons
here who wish to hear my side via PRIVATE email only.  I've had enough of
CatNipped's bigotry not to mention a few others.

I predict this very post will elicit a provocative response from CatNipped
and perhaps one or two other here.  That's a risk I'll just have to take.

 :^)
Julie Cook - 30 Jul 2005 04:00 GMT
"Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> > I'm prepared to give Philip a
fair go, because I studiously ignore the cr*p
> that goes on in other groups. To me, he is merely another newbie asking a
> genuine question and will I will make him feel welcome and treat him as I
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Yowie

Well said, Yowie. Thank you. I can always count on you to be able to come up
with the appropriate words that seem to escape me.
Julie
sriddles@aol.com - 30 Jul 2005 04:05 GMT
> I'm prepared to give Philip a fair go, because I studiously ignore the cr*p
> that goes on in other groups. To me, he is merely another newbie asking a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Yowie

"Troll" was probably the wrong word to use in my post. Since my
understanding of the word is someone who posts outrageous remarks then
disappears to enjoy the flak and goes on to another group.
I am willing to leave what happens in health+behav over there. I have
actually already ignored two digs that Phillip has gotten in  for my
benefit.
Keeping with the cat theme, a leopard can't hide it's spots for long.
And, yes, you're right, that remains to be seen.
Sherry
Steve Touchstone - 30 Jul 2005 07:22 GMT
>I'm prepared to give Philip a fair go, because I studiously ignore the cr*p
>that goes on in other groups. To me, he is merely another newbie asking a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>as a person abides by the "culture" of RPCA, their posting history in other
>groups is irrelevant, IMHO.

One of the after-effects of the recent troll activities I experienced
was that I suddenly became killfile happy. What I mean is that I'd
read something that, in the past I'd strongly disagree with and
ignore, but now all of a sudden I'd want to plonk the poster - even
though I'd read and enjoyed many of their posts in the past.
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Philip - 29 Jul 2005 16:20 GMT
> .
>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Sherry

CatNipped and Mary (Nancy Carter Whatever) proved themselves to be of the
same ilk to a degree separated only by the amount of vindictiveness.  What
she "would not dream of" ... is a good example.   So back in the kill file
ya go , CN.
sriddles@aol.com - 29 Jul 2005 04:56 GMT
> We adopted an 8 week old male brown tabby from the local animal shelter.
> Presently he's 15 weeks old, 5 lbs, healthy, very active, and .... has this
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -Philip

Eight weeks old was too young to separate from his mother, (but if the
kitten was in a shelter, I understand why you ended up with him at 8
weeks). A friend of mine managed to switch her cat from skin to a
blanket. I'm not sure if that's a good idea, because apparently the cat
ingests a lot of the fabric over time.

Sherry
Philip - 29 Jul 2005 05:12 GMT
>> We adopted an 8 week old male brown tabby from the local animal shelter.
>> Presently he's 15 weeks old, 5 lbs, healthy, very active, and .... has
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Sherry

I was tipped off that several new kitten litters were to arrive early Monday
morning.  I picked Omar out of a litter of 5 litter mates. This litter came
from a foster home who took in a stray/pregnant mother. The kittens were
handed over for "distribution" via the OC Shelter.  Omar was in the shelter
confines for 3 1/2 days while they neutered and vaccinated him.  Got him out
of there before noon Thursday.  I intended to minimize his exposure to
diseases.

(over my shoulder) My wife does not care for the blanket idea .... not at
all.
Cheryl Perkins - 29 Jul 2005 14:08 GMT
> What's this all about?

He misses Mama. One of my cats used to do this, which made me think she
might have been slightly younger than the people who gave her to me said.
She especially liked earlobes.

>  Will he outgrow this behavior?

Yes, almost certainly, especially if you distract him. Mine was
discouraged if I wore earrings. However, there are some cats who keep the
sucking habit indefinately. Some breeds are said to be more susceptible to
this, and some objects (like wool blankets) are said to be more tempting.

 Can I rent an
> artificial kitty breast and fill it with formula?

<G> Not needed! Although if he was much younger, you can get tiny bottles
of special formula for newborn kittens!

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sriddles@aol.com - 29 Jul 2005 15:23 GMT
> He misses Mama. One of my cats used to do this, which made me think she
> might have been slightly younger than the people who gave her to me said.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> sucking habit indefinately. Some breeds are said to be more susceptible to
> this, and some objects (like wool blankets) are said to be more tempting.

Have you ever heard of Pica behavior in cats? Really interesting stuff,
if you haven't, google it. What I think is most fascinating is that
it's a genetic thing. Mostly Siamese. Like you mentioned, they do
prefer wool.
But I think you're right about this one. I think he just misses Mama.

Sherry
Philip - 29 Jul 2005 16:20 GMT
>> He misses Mama. One of my cats used to do this, which made me think she
>> might have been slightly younger than the people who gave her to me said.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Sherry

While his birthdate in April 10, and he arrived at the shelter on June 13,
there is no way of telling (or is there?) of when he was separated from his
mother.  One thing is becoming abundantly clear.  He's very comfortable with
people.  :^)   (Omar loves playing fetch with a paper ball).
Philip - 29 Jul 2005 16:20 GMT
>> What's this all about?
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> <G> Not needed! Although if he was much younger, you can get tiny bottles
> of special formula for newborn kittens!

1) The wife and I are back to flannel pajamas.  (make no comment!, thank
you).  That has put an end to Omar burrowing under the covers to find a
snack.

2) We tried keeping a little bottle of KMR on the nightstand for these wee
hours feedings ... he didn't take to it. I wondered if it was our bath soap
scent on our skin that he was after.  Changed soaps ... no change in the
behavior plus he still "attacks" guests (which is funnier that all get
out!).  Matter of fact, the sweatier your arm is, the more determined he is
to "nurse" once he picks up the scent.  This is a little baffling.
MissysMom - 30 Jul 2005 05:10 GMT
When Little Miss first came to stay with me, we think she was about
eight weeks old. It was hard to tell exactly how old she was since she
was a lost feral kitty and weighed only 1.1 pounds. In the mornings she
would curl up on my shoulder and suck on my nightgown. I would just
stroke her and hold her and would say something like "You miss your
Mom, don't you?" She would stay quiet for a few minutes sucking and
sort of crying, then off she would go bounding away. At other times,
she would curl up around my neck and purr.  It also seemed to be
something that was a cat-mom thing.

She doesn't do either anymore, although she still follows me around the
house and tries to help out when she can, i.e., chasing the broom or
inspecting all the new packages. Her newest job is to keep watch for
the squirrels at all the windows. She takes her job very seriously.

It sounds to me like your kitty just misses Mom.

--LMM (Little Missy's Mom) and the ever curious Little Miss

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