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Mischief - 25 Jul 2005 21:40 GMT
Saw my landlord and her family and got to talking about this and that.

And then she said, "Oh, Kristi, your cat.  You need to be careful.  I
saw her in the window and I tried to shoo her away.  Can you keep her
out of the window?"  This is the front window that opens to the
courtyard.

Now, remember I'm only supposed to have ONE cat, and I'm the ONLY
person in the apartment building that is allowed to have a cat.  If the
neighbors see it, they could wonder why they can't have a cat, etc.

The other problem is that it could have been either Imp OR Mischief in
the window.  Ever since getting them I have tried deterring them from
the window.  Of course especially at night when i'm doing errands or
laundry I'll come back to a cat peeking between the blinds.  I even
have pulled the giant potted trees in front of the window.  Recently
someone moved the tree, and though it lets more light into the kitchen,
you could clearly see a cat if it was on the sill.  If they happen to
notice that my one cat is strangely changing colors from black to gray,
I could be in trouble.

The only thing I can think of is to move the kitchen table and chairs
farther away to prevent them from climbing up.  Imp is a climber but
not a jumper. Mischef on the other hand will need more deterring.
*sigh*

Any thoughts?

Kristi
Karen - 25 Jul 2005 21:44 GMT
I'm sorry, but that is one thing I simply couldn't agree with. It's just not
fair to not have window time to a cat. I would very definitely have to look
for a place that allowed them. I don't mean to sound harsh, but that seems
just awful. Couldn't you and your roommate look around? YOu might even find
a better deal?

> Saw my landlord and her family and got to talking about this and that.
>
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>
> Kristi
sriddles@aol.com - 25 Jul 2005 22:25 GMT
> I'm sorry, but that is one thing I simply couldn't agree with. It's just not
> fair to not have window time to a cat. I would very definitely have to look
> for a place that allowed them. I don't mean to sound harsh, but that seems
> just awful. Couldn't you and your roommate look around? YOu might even find
> a better deal?

I agree.  You can't raise a cat indoors with no sunshine, no windows.
There has to be a better solution, even moving would be better than
banning them from the windows.I don't mean to sound harsh either but
IMO everything needs sunshine.

Sherry
Howard C. Berkowitz - 25 Jul 2005 22:35 GMT
> > I'm sorry, but that is one thing I simply couldn't agree with. It's
> > just not
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> banning them from the windows.I don't mean to sound harsh either but
> IMO everything needs sunshine.

Mr. Clark's pursuit of sunshine gets him looking like one of those
Garfield dolls with suction cups on the paws, stuck to the inside of a
car window.  I have a table with an indoor greenhouse, facing some
French doors.  

He will lie on his side, and place four widely spread paws on the glass
of the doors.
Gracecat - 25 Jul 2005 23:21 GMT
I read it as the front window.... Not necessarily the only window in the
apartment.

Maybe her bedroom has a window that faces away from where people walk?

Grace

> I'm sorry, but that is one thing I simply couldn't agree with. It's just
> not
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>>
>> Kristi
Mischief - 25 Jul 2005 23:31 GMT
oh I'm sure we could find one, it's just that we don't have the money
right now.

I will be selling my old  car and getting money, but that money is to
be used when I pay my car insurance at the end of hte year.  I can't
really afford a security deposit right now.

I'll speak to my roommate again about it and how her financial
situation is.

They do have the back bedroom windows to look out of however.

I managed to move the potted tree back in front of the window again.
The only way a person could see a cat would be for a cat to be in the
window during the day and be seen through the leaves.

Pray that no one looks too closely

Kristi
Karen - 26 Jul 2005 03:05 GMT
> oh I'm sure we could find one, it's just that we don't have the money
> right now.
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>
> Kristi

I have to admit it is pretty comical imagining your landlord trying to
"shoo" the cat away from the window. There is very little I can think of
that wouldn't just be attractive to the cat.
Mischief - 26 Jul 2005 03:54 GMT
Yeah, I bet Mischief was sitting there wondering, "What the heck is
this woman doing?"

Kristi
Trish - 26 Jul 2005 05:28 GMT
> oh I'm sure we could find one, it's just that we don't have the money
> right now.
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>
> Kristi

How about getting the tinted covering for the window, so the cats can see
out, but others can't see in.
MaryL - 26 Jul 2005 10:15 GMT
> oh I'm sure we could find one, it's just that we don't have the money
> right now.
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>
> Kristi

Since you mention that you do have back windows that the cat can use, have
you considered covering the front window with the plastic sheeting that is
sometimes used to provide privacy in bathroom windows.  We can buy it by the
yard at our local hardware.  It comes on rolls and is somewhat like Contac
paper.  It is translucent, so light can enter but there is no visibility.
It has to be applied carefully to avoid air bubbles.  One caveat, though:
It can be removed when you decide to move, but that can be a very difficult
task.

MaryL
Alison - 25 Jul 2005 22:31 GMT
> > Now, remember I'm only supposed to have ONE cat, and I'm the ONLY
> person in the apartment building that is allowed to have a cat.  If the
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> the window.  Of course especially at night when i'm doing errands or
> laundry I'll come back to a cat peeking between the blinds.  >

Can you  put up a net curtain ? I've forgotten what you call them in
the US.  You can see out but it's harder for people to see in.
Alison
MaryL - 25 Jul 2005 23:10 GMT
>> > Now, remember I'm only supposed to have ONE cat, and I'm the ONLY
>> person in the apartment building that is allowed to have a cat.  If
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> the US.  You can see out but it's harder for people to see in.
> Alison

I think you are referring to a solar screen (which replaces the regular
screen).  I had one in the computer room of my previous house.  I could
easily see outside during daylight, but people outside could not see in.
However, I had to draw the curtains at night because then everything would
be reversed -- in other words, those in the lightest area (using lights at
night) are clearly visible to those outside, and I could not see who might
be looking in!

Now for my two-cents-worth.  It is impossible to train a cat to stay out of
a window, and they *need* to be able to look outdoors and enjoy the birds,
butterflies, squirrels and sunshine.  I lived in an apartment years ago that
adopted a no-pets policy long after I moved in, but they permitted current
pet owners to keep their pets.  Eventually, I was the only one left (with my
cat living to age 20).  He was an ideal pet and did no damage, and I was a
good tenant -- so the landlord simply explained those facts to other tenants
and never tried to place any unreasonable restrictions on me.  I suggest
that you talk to your landlord about something similar.

MaryL
Steve Touchstone - 26 Jul 2005 09:03 GMT
>Now for my two-cents-worth.  It is impossible to train a cat to stay out of
>a window, and they *need* to be able to look outdoors and enjoy the birds,
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>and never tried to place any unreasonable restrictions on me.  I suggest
>that you talk to your landlord about something similar.

Sounds like my situation here. My two were grandfathered when the new
owners started enforcing the no pet policy - same policy as before,
but the old owners ignored it unless they had a problem tenant. I did
have to come up with $200 deposit for each cat, though. I've never
mentioned the fact when I've added the cats - first Rocky (now RB) and
now Spotty. I never try to hide the fact that I have cats from the
other tenants - just tell them they predate the current owners and
that I have special permission to have them. I also usually mention
the fact that I paid a hefty pet deposit to get that permission. So
far as I know there has only been one other tenant who got a pet after
moving in. She was evicted, not because of the pet, though, but
because of several other factors.
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Alison - 26 Jul 2005 09:49 GMT
> "Alison" <Alison@XYZallofus2.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >
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> night) are clearly visible to those outside, and I could not see who might
> be looking in!>>.

 That could be embarrassing ! We don't tend to have screens in the
Uk.
I have a link to pictures of net curtains here
        http://www.netcurtainsdirect.com/

They hang between the window and the curtains (drapes) but you still
need to draw the drapes at night.
           Alison
MaryL - 26 Jul 2005 10:08 GMT
>We don't tend to have screens in the
> Uk.
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> need to draw the drapes at night.
>            Alison

Oh, now I see what you mean.  I doubt if they would work because a cat could
easily get between the curtains and the windows (especially if the window
has a wide-enough sill for the cat to use).

MaryL
dawn@dsdcommodities.com - 09 Aug 2005 02:19 GMT
Try www.dsdcommodities.com for decorative Film
Dan M - 25 Jul 2005 23:35 GMT
> Now, remember I'm only supposed to have ONE cat, and I'm the ONLY
> person in the apartment building that is allowed to have a cat.  If the
> neighbors see it, they could wonder why they can't have a cat, etc.

Here's an idea. See if you can find some reflective window film. Remember
10 years or so ago when darkened car windows were popular, but they were a
bit on the expensive side? You could go to the auto parts store and buy a
roll of dark film, and apply it to your own car window (please, shoot me
if I ever try to do that again!).

Something similar might work for you. If you could find a film that was
maybe a couple feet high and dark enough or reflective enough that
neighbors would have a hard time seeing in, you could apply it to the
bottom of your front window. The film I remember used only soapy water for
the install so could be removed without a huge amount of effort, so your
landlord shouldn't mind it too much - you can easily take it off when you
move. And the kitties should still have a great view out the window.

Dan
Enfilade - 26 Jul 2005 00:56 GMT
> > Now, remember I'm only supposed to have ONE cat, and I'm the ONLY
> > person in the apartment building that is allowed to have a cat.  If the
> > neighbors see it, they could wonder why they can't have a cat, etc.

Do you have some sticky tape, or something else that the cats might
want to avoid?  You could put that on the "bad" window, and put catnip,
perches, etc near the "Good" windows that people can't see into.

--Fil
:-)Liz - 26 Jul 2005 05:22 GMT
When I was in college and had a "No Pets Allowed Apartment"... I put up the
reflective film and it worked great to hide Fittykitty ...A bit of hard
elbow grease got the film off without any damage when we finished living
there... Good Luck! :-) Liz

> Saw my landlord and her family and got to talking about this and that.
>
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>
> Kristi
Sumkatz - 26 Jul 2005 06:29 GMT
>Now, remember I'm only supposed to have ONE cat, and I'm the ONLY
>person in the apartment building that is allowed to have a cat.  If the
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>
>Any thoughts?

Get/make life-sized silouettes of cats and stick them to the base of the
windows.

  Miaow
Gabey8 - 26 Jul 2005 13:17 GMT
In the apartment where I used to live, translucent contact paper was on the
bathroom window so that, while light could come in, it was impossible to
see clearly in or out.

Do you think that it would look out-of-place for you to apply something
like that to the window where the cat(s) are trying to sit?

Failing that... a friend of mine has shutters on the inside of her windows
in her kitchen. They're decorative, and she always keeps them open... but
they COULD be closed if need be. Would that sort of arrangment fit the
decor of the room with the feline-targeted windowsill?

Third idea... would one of those shrink-wrap window insulation things like
these:
http://www.acehardware.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=1259828&cp=1254881.1255042
be enough to block off the windowsill from the cats? If they can't get at
the window at all, problem solved (I hope).

These are just a few ideas. I hope at least one of them helps.

Donna, Captain, and Stanley
Hopitus - 26 Jul 2005 16:32 GMT
Do you have "miniblinds" on that window? This whole apt.'s windows all have
cheap miniblinds (landlords salvation remedy for "window coverings") and
since we're on top level here, windows usually not open more than just less
than a cat-head size width w/miniblinds *down* as first-line barrier.
My cats are *big* - 15 & 19# - although all screens in here have locks (some
more than one) I fear their fat selves, shoved against screen bottom, could
make it give way (unreasonable but possible!) and a death trip 4 stories
down to decorative rock landing. My son thinks they are too smart to try to
get out....no way - birds fly by here frequently @ our apt. level of height
& Deadly Duo are always interested in this graphic if short display of
prey....of all suggestions, I like the "window-film" ones best; my cats
*never* try to get behind those miniblinds if they're completely down. It's
been hard forcing myself to do that in this heat lately but they stay down
(but open to air/wind at bottom). If your window sill is wide enough (our FL
ones were, but not here) a double row of stacked glass blocks would work,
right up against screen.

> In the apartment where I used to live, translucent contact paper was on
> the
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>
> Donna, Captain, and Stanley
Gabey8 - 26 Jul 2005 20:17 GMT
Aha! The "google" ad (or close cousin thereof) that came up in
talkaboutpets.com, when I read this thread, offers an interesting solution
to this issue.

http://wallpaperforwindows.com/shop/customer/

Maybe something along these lines would be useful.

Donna, Captain, and Stanley
Jo Firey - 26 Jul 2005 21:28 GMT
> Aha! The "google" ad (or close cousin thereof) that came up in
> talkaboutpets.com, when I read this thread, offers an interesting solution
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>
> Donna, Captain, and Stanley

Now that could be useful.  I'm getting a new clear glass shower door.  This
would give me an option I Charlie decides he hates the clear glass.

Jo
jmcquown - 27 Jul 2005 17:13 GMT
> Aha! The "google" ad (or close cousin thereof) that came up in
> talkaboutpets.com, when I read this thread, offers an interesting
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>
> Donna, Captain, and Stanley

That's lovely looking stuff!  Wonder if I could get it to fit on my sliding
glass doors to the patio!  Then I don't have to worry about the maintenance
guys peering inside :)

Jill
dawn@dsdcommodities.com - 09 Aug 2005 02:18 GMT
Try decorative Film. wwwdsdcommodities.com It keeps the sun UV rays out
and allows you to see out (blurry) Easy on and Easy off. Pets won't
know it is on there.
Jane - 29 Jul 2005 14:21 GMT
>The only thing I can think of is to move the kitchen table and chairs
>farther away to prevent them from climbing up.  Imp is a climber but
>not a jumper. Mischef on the other hand will need more deterring.
>*sigh*
>
>Any thoughts?

Do what college students do. Fill the windowsill with stuffed animals,
especially cats. Try to find those stuffed critters that look almost
real.  People will get used to a window full of animals, and will
be less likely to notice just one more.

Jane
- owned and operated by Princess Rita
jmcquown - 29 Jul 2005 16:42 GMT
>> The only thing I can think of is to move the kitchen table and chairs
>> farther away to prevent them from climbing up.  Imp is a climber but
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> Jane
> - owned and operated by Princess Rita

Now that's a creative idea! :)
 
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