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Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Jul 2005 17:03 GMT
Anyone else sniffle when Lance and Jan had a big hug on the podium?

The top three, Lance, Ivan, and Jan, all just seemed to be in a good,
jokey mood.  And I swear Lance looked like he was going to cloud up
when the national anthem played.

Not sure what the bit about non-believers in the Tour was.  Was he
referring to the belief that drugs are prevalent?

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wafflycat - 24 Jul 2005 17:07 GMT
> Anyone else sniffle when Lance and Jan had a big hug on the podium?

Defintiely a bit of Tour history made and end of the LA era.

> The top three, Lance, Ivan, and Jan, all just seemed to be in a good,
> jokey mood.  And I swear Lance looked like he was going to cloud up
> when the national anthem played.
>
> Not sure what the bit about non-believers in the Tour was.  Was he
> referring to the belief that drugs are prevalent?

I think so. Probably that and the mistaken belief that cycling at that level
is simply pushing the pedals round.

Cheers, helen s
Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Jul 2005 17:37 GMT
>> Not sure what the bit about non-believers in the Tour was.  Was he
>> referring to the belief that drugs are prevalent?
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>
> Cheers, helen s

Ah, that's probably what it was.  DH got me into watching the Tour,
and I'll admit I didn't understand it at all the first few years.  It
takes a while to really appreciate all the tactics.  The fact that
someone can win the yellow jersey, meaning that the sum total of his
times in all of the days was the fastest, without ever having to win a
stage really blows my mind, although it does make sense.

The existence of helicopters, radios, and the like must make a huge
difference in Tour tactics.  Without all of that, you wouldn't
necessarily know which riders have just made a breakaway and therefore
whether it's tactically necessary to chase them down.

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wafflycat - 24 Jul 2005 17:45 GMT
>>> Not sure what the bit about non-believers in the Tour was.  Was he
>>> referring to the belief that drugs are prevalent?
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> times in all of the days was the fastest, without ever having to win a
> stage really blows my mind, although it does make sense.

The yellow jersey is the fastest overall. It is possible to win it winning a
stage as it mean the fastest rider on cumulative times of all the stages. So
you can get a sprinter winning a fast, flat stage, but who loses over an
hour on a mountain stage... You can get a climber who wins a mountain stage
who loses vast amounts of time on a long fast stage - different types of
speed & endurance for the different specialisations. Then there's the time
trial where it is literally flat out, constant power from start to finish -
no tactics, just constant power from the start to the end.

> The existence of helicopters, radios, and the like must make a huge
> difference in Tour tactics.  Without all of that, you wouldn't
> necessarily know which riders have just made a breakaway and therefore
> whether it's tactically necessary to chase them down.

radios have made a huge difference. Not all positive from a spectator point
of view I think, as it lets the riders know who is in a breakawa, for
example, and whether the bunch will chase him down if he's a threat to the
current yellow jersey wearer...

Cheers, helen s
Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Jul 2005 18:04 GMT
>> Ah, that's probably what it was.  DH got me into watching the Tour,
>> and I'll admit I didn't understand it at all the first few years.
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> literally flat out, constant power from start to finish - no
> tactics, just constant power from the start to the end.

Yup, I understand all that ... it's just kinda weird to think about.
The yellow jersey rewards the person with the best overall time.

Something really bugged me about OLN's coverage this morning -- while
talking about whether or not the time bonuses would be awarded today,
the guy says, "Well, of course, it doesn't really matter, today is all
about Lance."  Grr!  It sure as hell matters to the sprinters, and it
sure mattered to Levi and Alexandre.  Hey, I'm happy for Lance, but
there's a lot more to the Tour than just the yellow jersey.

> radios have made a huge difference. Not all positive from a
> spectator point of view I think, as it lets the riders know who is
> in a breakawa, for example, and whether the bunch will chase him
> down if he's a threat to the current yellow jersey wearer...

*nod* Lance's tactics wouldn't fly if he didn't know exactly who was
where throughout every day ... everyone would have to put in a more
consistent performance.

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Smokie Darling (Annie) - 24 Jul 2005 18:01 GMT
> > Anyone else sniffle when Lance and Jan had a big hug on the podium?
>
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> I think so. Probably that and the mistaken belief that cycling at that level
> is simply pushing the pedals round.

Well, I think the prevalence of performance inhancers, but more to the
point, I think it referred to the belief that Lance was using that
blood one (apoetine, or something like that, it's the one that makes
the body produce more red blood cells) for every single win.

> Cheers, helen s
>
> > --
> > monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully
> >
> > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca
 
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