> Actually just the quotes from Rasmussen would be good ...
>
> http://www.rabobank.nl/info/execute/node?node_id=322175
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> What an awful day for him today. How demoralizing.
> It was a nail-biting stage. Who says time trials don't make good
> viewing! ;-)
I actually think the time trials, team and individual, are pretty
interesting. It's the one time when you see what they (team or
person) can do on their own, without interference or help. Like when
Hincapie won by drafting the whole way and then stepping out at the
last -- can't do that in a time trial.
My heart sank for Rasmussen, but rose for Ullrich. I like them both.
I'm glad Ullrich will have a podium, but I wish it had been "fair and
square," so to speak, without all the mechanical troubles and falls on
Rasmussen's part. Even though I know it's all part of the Tour. And
it seems like King of the Mountain on your second Tour is pretty
amazing in itself.
DH says that Lance has claimed Jan has the most natural talent on the
Tour, but that he just doesn't work hard beforehand. DH says you can
tell by how much better Jan is in the last week of the Tour. I dunno.
Maybe.
> Rasmussen will be a wiser rider for next year. My gut feeling is
> that he was probably so wound up on adrenaline that once the first
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> probably when he felt like quitting. The episode was a valuable
> lesson to Nathan in how not to give up!
I don't know ... his mechanics were clearly not well organized, not
doing things efficiently; I do question if his bike was fitted well
for him, although of course nerves make a huge difference. But
typically ex-mountain bikers are praised for their maneuvering, so it
seems hard to believe all that falling was purely nerve.
It hadn't occured to me that Rasmussen wanted to give up, but I'm sure
you're right.
One thing to consider -- I am sure that at this point, Armstrong's
sponsors would never say, "Yes, doing this would help him, but we
won't spend that extra money." I'm sure that's not the case for less
glorified riders.
> Armstrong did a brilliant ride - I had a feeling he would, he just
> doesn't seem to be of the mindset where he's be completely happy
> with the yellow without having had an individual stage win.
True. Armstrong -- hrm, how to say this? He's almost boring to me.
Not because he isn't a great rider, but because he is. It feels like
his win is inevitable, so it's just not that exciting to me to watch
him. I'm looking forward to when he's off the field and others have a
better chance to shine. Lance is just too much of a juggernaut.
That being said, I had a dream last night that I lived with my parents
and that Lance and his family stayed with us after the Tour was over.
I kept asking Lance the same question -- are you going to ride today?
-- and he finally got annoyed and went somewhere else. Or something.
Hah.
> No chance of losing today as it simply isn't contested on the last day
> - if you are in yellow at the start of the final day - you keep it -
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> get in other sports, such as not attacking the leader when he's down
> (as witnessed in the past on several occasions throughout the years).
It's definitely interesting, and slightly confusing, to me. But I
love that sportsmanship is a large part of the race. It make sense in
that few sports have the kind of dynamic cycling does, where you form
and break alliances constantly. If everyone disapproves of you and
won't work with you, you're screwed.
Speaking of sportsmanship, though, I really didn't like how Lance -- was
it last year or the year before? -- hounded that one guy and prevented
him from gaining time, even though he wasn't a threat to Lance's
standings. And managed to bully the rest of the Tour into helping him.
For stuff said outside the Tour. I just thought that was poor form.
> I know that sometimes in the American press it says that Armstrong
> isn't liked in France - it's utter tosh. He'll be cheered every inch
> of today's stage and the Champs Elysee will have a million people on
> it (I was one of them in 2003) and they'll be there witnessing a
> historic seventh TdF win and cheering the winner.
I'm sure some like him and some don't.

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wafflycat - 24 Jul 2005 17:23 GMT
>> It was a nail-biting stage. Who says time trials don't make good
>> viewing! ;-)
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> Hincapie won by drafting the whole way and then stepping out at the
> last -- can't do that in a time trial.
The time trial is also known as the 'race of truth' as it is just you
against the clock. No drafting allowed, you cycle the entire distance
unaided, unsupported. For our non-cycling audience ( ;-) ) 'drafting' is
when a rider follows the back wheel of the rider in front - this can save up
to 20% energy for the rider doing the drafting - which is why you see the
sprinters hang on to the back wheel of the rider in front and then explode
past them in the last seconds.
> My heart sank for Rasmussen, but rose for Ullrich. I like them both.
> I'm glad Ullrich will have a podium, but I wish it had been "fair and
> square," so to speak, without all the mechanical troubles and falls on
> Rasmussen's part. Even though I know it's all part of the Tour. And
> it seems like King of the Mountain on your second Tour is pretty
> amazing in itself.
Rasmussen fell victim to the Curse of St.Etienne! Apart from the fact that
just to get on a team taking part in the Tour shows that you are an
incredible cyclist anyhow, each of the individual jerseys shows a special
ability. The yellow for general classification, the green sprint points
jersey, the polka-dot 'knig of the mountains' for best climbing those
mountain stages, to the white best young rider. Each shows very special
skills over and above the fantastic ability needed just to be on a team.
> DH says that Lance has claimed Jan has the most natural talent on the
> Tour, but that he just doesn't work hard beforehand. DH says you can
> tell by how much better Jan is in the last week of the Tour. I dunno.
> Maybe.
Jan has a vast natural talent. Following his early success the fame went to
his head and he seemed not to cope with it all, and he never seems to put in
quite enough work beforehand. Plus, you have to remember the European teams
are effectively playing a different game to the Discovery team. The single
aim of Discovery (&LA) is to win the Tour de France. The European teams have
a long racing season, with many races having almost as much kudos as the
Tour de France. There's the Giro d'Italia, the Vuelta in Spain plus the one
day classics, such as the Paris Roubaix (the Hell of the North), and many
more due to the long cycle racing history in Europe. The European teams are
in it for a lot more races than winning the Tour de France.
>> Rasmussen will be a wiser rider for next year. My gut feeling is
>> that he was probably so wound up on adrenaline that once the first
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> typically ex-mountain bikers are praised for their maneuvering, so it
> seems hard to believe all that falling was purely nerve.
Reading elsewhere, the team manager said that Rasmussen was overhyped even
before the stage started yesterday and just lost the plot mentally. Said
there was nothing wrong with the bikes and it was Rasmussen not coping under
pressure. Entirely possible due to the pressure of wanting to retain that
podium place on GC as well as the polka dot win. I'd be interested to find
out what Rasmussen says about that ;-)
> It hadn't occured to me that Rasmussen wanted to give up, but I'm sure
> you're right.
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> him. I'm looking forward to when he's off the field and others have a
> better chance to shine. Lance is just too much of a juggernaut.
I know what you mean. I love watching the Tour and I hugely admire LAs
commitment and ability, but when he is so far ahead of his rivals in this
one race, then it makes for less interetsing viewing than when the overall
win is more closely contested. Next year cmight be fascinating!
> That being said, I had a dream last night that I lived with my parents
> and that Lance and his family stayed with us after the Tour was over.
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> standings. And managed to bully the rest of the Tour into helping him.
> For stuff said outside the Tour. I just thought that was poor form.
It didn't go down well with a lot of cyclists - LA didn't need to do that.
It's like the mafia - break ranks and you are ostracised!
Cheers, helen s
>> I know that sometimes in the American press it says that Armstrong
>> isn't liked in France - it's utter tosh. He'll be cheered every inch
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>
> I'm sure some like him and some don't.