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Tish Silberbauer - 20 Jul 2005 22:15 GMT
Hi All,

Can I ask for silent purrs for Mr Spock (i.e. I know the purrs are out
there, so there is no need to respond to this post).  He is straining
at the litterbox *again*, so is off to the vet for the second time in
a month.  He is not happy and will be even less happy when he figures
out what is happening to him.  Poor boy, he's *so* uncomfortable.
Lucky for me, my boss is very understanding as Spocky's trip to the
vet means a day off work for me since I live a long way from work and
the vet's office only opens at 9am.  

Tish
Karen - 20 Jul 2005 22:26 GMT
Oh purrs!!!! Blocking SUCKS! I hope you can get it controlled. Poor Spock.
Keep us posted.

> Hi All,
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> Tish
Dan M - 20 Jul 2005 23:04 GMT
> Hi All,
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> Tish

You bet. A whole flock of purrs coming from the Highland Kitties.
Tish Silberbauer - 21 Jul 2005 01:29 GMT
Thanks All for your purrs and well-wishes.  Mr Spock says "thanks"
too.
Taking him to the vet was the right thing to do.  He has lots of
crystals in his urine - at least two different types (styruvate? and
oxalate) as far as the vet can tell, but because I took Spock in
early, there is no infection.  
Instructions from the vet are:
* a gradual change in diet to low-ash food (c/d), which is safe for
all the cats to eat
*more watering-points around the house (Spock's urine was a bit too
concentrated, so the vet would like to see him drinking more)
*metacam (anti-inflammatory) for a few days until the swelling in his
delicate boy-bits has subsided.
The vet was very good and explained things to my satisfaction and let
me see the crystals under the microscope.

Mr Spock was *very* well behaved at the vet and on the drive (only
half an aria on the way there and stoney silence on the way home), but
he scooted under the bed as soon as I let him out of the carrier at
home.

Persephone is jealous because she thinks we had fun without her.

On a lighter note, there were two *gorgeous* all-black 7 week-old
kittens at the vet office, up for adoption - siblings, girl and boy.
I wasn't tempted, but I sure enjoyed watching them while wating to go
in.  

Tish

>> Hi All,
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>> Tish
W. Leong - 21 Jul 2005 01:44 GMT
> Thanks All for your purrs and well-wishes.  Mr Spock says "thanks"
> too.
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> * a gradual change in diet to low-ash food (c/d), which is safe for
> all the cats to eat

After his first blockage, Rusty  was on dry c/d. But he got s/d
first to dissolve the crystals before settling on c/d. There are 2 types
of c/d, one for struvite and one for oxalate. Since Spock has both,
which type is he getting?

> *more watering-points around the house (Spock's urine was a bit too
> concentrated, so the vet would like to see him drinking more)
> *metacam (anti-inflammatory) for a few days until the swelling in his
> delicate boy-bits has subsided.
> The vet was very good and explained things to my satisfaction and let
> me see the crystals under the microscope.

If  Spock's still doesn't drink enough, you can use an eye dropper or
a syringe without needle to put water in his mouth. Be careful he doesn't
choke though. I add water to Rusty's canned food, and his urine got
very diluted that the vet thought he had renal insufficiency. Blood tests
show his kidneys are fine. So I cut back on the water added.
If there is not enough output in the litterbox for my liking, I add more
water to his food. This way I control of the amount of water he gets.

Winnie

> Mr Spock was *very* well behaved at the vet and on the drive (only
> half an aria on the way there and stoney silence on the way home), but
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>>> Tish
Tish Silberbauer - 21 Jul 2005 04:38 GMT
Many thanks to all of you for your suggestions of how to best deal
with Spock's crystals.  At the moment some of the dietary changes are
a little challenging because we have to manage both Spock's problem
and Ted's advanced diabetes, but poor Ted is very ill and I'm afraid
that we won't be having to manage her diet for much longer :^(   After
we say a tearful farewell to Ted then we'll be able to manage the
kittens' diet without having to worry about endangering the health of
our geriatric monarch.

Tish
Karen - 21 Jul 2005 05:08 GMT
> Many thanks to all of you for your suggestions of how to best deal
> with Spock's crystals.  At the moment some of the dietary changes are
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> Tish

Oh I'm very sorry to hear about Ted not being well. Purrs for Ted too!
mlbriggs - 21 Jul 2005 06:20 GMT
> Many thanks to all of you for your suggestions of how to best deal with
> Spock's crystals.  At the moment some of the dietary changes are a little
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> Tish

Purrs for a peaceful passing for Ted  when her time comes and a healthy
life for Spock.   MLB
Krista - 21 Jul 2005 08:23 GMT
> Many thanks to all of you for your suggestions of how to best deal
> with Spock's crystals.  At the moment some of the dietary changes are
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>
> Tish

Oh my.  I am sorry to read about both Spock's and Ted's problems; we
are sending purrs for all of you, whether furry or bare.

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Krista
JBHajos - 21 Jul 2005 17:59 GMT
>  At the moment some of the dietary changes are
>a little challenging because we have to manage both Spock's problem
>and Ted's advanced diabetes, but poor Ted is very ill and I'm afraid
>that we won't be having to manage her diet for much longer :^(  

  You have my sympathy.  I wish you luck.  I hope Spock's problem can
be handled more easily.  And I'm sincerely sorry to hear Ted is so
sick, poor little lady.  May I ask how old she is and how long she's
had diabetes?  Our Hobo (13) was diagnosed with diabetes a
year-and-a-half ago but it had gone unrecognized for months before
that.  He's holding his own but it's been a roller coaster ride.  Up
and down.  He's been through seven vets so far, seemingly each with
different opinions - drives me crazy!!  

We have a little of your predicament.  Hobo gets his insulin and a
special diabetic diet.  Speckles gets her special kidney diet.
Speckles *loves* Hobo's food.  Hobo likes Speckles' food.  We have to
keep an eye on both of them!

Bottom line, we send concerned purrs for you, for Spock, and
especially for Ted.  Hugs.

 Jeanne
Tish Silberbauer - 21 Jul 2005 21:41 GMT
>   You have my sympathy.  I wish you luck.  I hope Spock's problem can
>be handled more easily.  And I'm sincerely sorry to hear Ted is so
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>  Jeanne

Hi Jeanne,

Ted is almost 20 and has had diabetes since she was 12, so it's been a
while.  It took a while (about 6 months) to stabilize Ted , but she's
been pretty good since then.  Stress (moving house, going to the vet,
boarding at a cattery) is the biggest factor in her blood sugar
becoming unstable, so now we know that we can be prepared for trouble.
As a very old cat we are not too surprised that she is unwell and
unsteady on her pins, but we are sad nonetheless.  

Tish
SuzQ - 26 Jul 2005 22:58 GMT

Many thanks to all of you for your suggestions of how to best deal
with Spock's crystals.  At the moment some of the dietary changes are
a little challenging because we have to manage both Spock's problem
and Ted's advanced diabetes, but poor Ted is very ill and I'm afraid
that we won't be having to manage her diet for much longer :^(   After
we say a tearful farewell to Ted then we'll be able to manage the
kittens' diet without having to worry about endangering the health of
our geriatric monarch.

Tish

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Purrs about Ted for you and your family. She's such a feisty old girl.
Suz&Spicey
Victor Martinez - 21 Jul 2005 03:06 GMT
> * a gradual change in diet to low-ash food (c/d), which is safe for
> all the cats to eat

Our Xoxo developed crystals a couple of years ago. He was on special
prescription diet for a while too, but after doing our research, we just
 started feeding wet food primarily. He's been fine ever since. It's
not the prescription, it's the fact that it's canned food.

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Julie Cook - 21 Jul 2005 03:25 GMT
> Thanks All for your purrs and well-wishes.  Mr Spock says "thanks"
> too.
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> Tish

Purrs, gentle headbutts and meatloaf meditations for Mr. Spock to get to
feeling better right away.

Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey, Sam and Barnab us
Karen - 21 Jul 2005 03:50 GMT
> Thanks All for your purrs and well-wishes.  Mr Spock says "thanks"
> too.
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> Tish
Tish, I really had success putting water in various types of containers in
various spots in the house. The most successful are not near food. One by
the huge kitty window is a big success. Also, try even a couple of short
tumbler glasses of water. For some reason, water in a glass is very
attractive. I also put ice cubes in them at times and this is intriguing as
well. I'm glad things went well. It's odd he has both kinds. I don't know if
I have heard of that before.
dopekitty - 21 Jul 2005 04:31 GMT
> Thanks All for your purrs and well-wishes.  Mr Spock says "thanks"
> too.
> Taking him to the vet was the right thing to do.  He has lots of
> crystals in his urine - at least two different types (styruvate? and
> oxalate)

Oi!!  That's a bitch!  Not sure how that one happened as one type of
crystals are consistent with acidic urine, and the other with alkaline
urine... Perhaps he has a lot of fluctuations?  I'm thinking after
eating, his urine is changing drastically enough to cause the one kind
of crystal, while the rest of the time its at the other side of the
neutral ph....  Poor guy... lots of purrs coming his way!

Kristy
Marina - 21 Jul 2005 05:25 GMT
> Mr Spock was *very* well behaved at the vet and on the drive (only
> half an aria on the way there and stoney silence on the way home), but
> he scooted under the bed as soon as I let him out of the carrier at
> home.

Oh, I was late with the purrs, but glad to hear Spock is doing well.
Hope he has calmed down by now and come out from under the bed.

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Tish Silberbauer - 21 Jul 2005 06:05 GMT
>> Mr Spock was *very* well behaved at the vet and on the drive (only
>> half an aria on the way there and stoney silence on the way home), but
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>Oh, I was late with the purrs, but glad to hear Spock is doing well.
>Hope he has calmed down by now and come out from under the bed.

Thank you.  Yes. He reappeared about an hour later - searching for a
sunny spot to curl up in.  He has forgiven me :^)

Tish
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 21 Jul 2005 17:51 GMT
>Thanks All for your purrs and well-wishes.  Mr Spock says "thanks"
>too.
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>
>Tish

So glad he is doing better.  Glad you got him into the vet.  Those
crystals can be nasty things to deal with.

Purrs for continued health.

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SuzQ - 26 Jul 2005 13:13 GMT
Belated purrs for Spock.
Suz&Spicey
W. Leong - 20 Jul 2005 23:13 GMT
> Hi All,
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> Tish

Rusty, who had at least 2 blockages, sympathizes and sends purrs
to Mr. Spock.

Winnie
Shiral - 20 Jul 2005 23:26 GMT
Mega purrs for poor Spock. I'm glad you're taking him to the vet,
blockage is definitely something they need to see the doctor to have
fixed.

Melissa
Jeanne Hedge - 20 Jul 2005 23:33 GMT
>Hi All,
>
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>vet means a day off work for me since I live a long way from work and
>the vet's office only opens at 9am.  

I *bet* he's uncomfortable! But I'm sure things will turn out ok in
the end.

Back when he was a young fellow, not more than 2 or 3, Tribble(RB at
age 17) went through two bouts of this within a month. Once the
blockage was dealt with by TED the second time, the only continuing
"treatment" was to change his diet slightly. At TED's recommendation
(this was mid-1980s), Trib was changed over to one of the "urinary
diet" dry foods (he was a dry food nibbler). Natasha didn't mind
eating the same food, and she's still going strong, and Trib never had
that trouble again.

I don't remember what specifically we were changing in his diet; does
low ash sound right to anyone?

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

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jmcquown - 21 Jul 2005 00:10 GMT
>> Hi All,
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Yep, low ash sounds right to me.  I think that's what they told me first to
do with Persia before she had her bladder surgery; then they put her on a
specific diet to prevent calcium oxolate which caused her bladder stones.

Purrs for Mr. Spock-kitty.

Jill
W. Leong - 21 Jul 2005 01:10 GMT
>>Hi All,
>>
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> I don't remember what specifically we were changing in his diet; does
> low ash sound right to anyone?

Low magnesium and probably some acidifiers in the diet if it is struvite
crystals. After Rusty's second blockage (2 years after the first blockage)
the vet changed him from a prescription dry to a different prescription
canned food. It is important to make sure he gets enough water in the
diet.

Winnie

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Marina - 21 Jul 2005 05:31 GMT
> I *bet* he's uncomfortable! But I'm sure things will turn out ok in
> the end.
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> I don't remember what specifically we were changing in his diet; does
> low ash sound right to anyone?

Yes, it does. I've read that an ash content of under 2 % is to be
preferred. I used to check that on all the packages, but most wet food
seemed to have at least 2.5 % ash. Only the highest quality had less.
Now I feed Frank his special kidney diet food (Waltham's Renal), with
sometimes a bit of Nutro Natural Choice Senior thrown in for a change.

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Marina - 21 Jul 2005 05:18 GMT
> Hi All,
>
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> vet means a day off work for me since I live a long way from work and
> the vet's office only opens at 9am.  

Many purrs on the way for Spock.

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Steve Touchstone - 21 Jul 2005 07:32 GMT
>Hi All,
>
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>vet means a day off work for me since I live a long way from work and
>the vet's office only opens at 9am.  

Many purrs coming from here that Mr Spock's problem is solved soon
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