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Victor Martinez - 17 Jul 2005 18:17 GMT
I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
trolls. However, sometimes they come through, and when I try to create
the filters again, it lets me, like the original filters were somehow
deleted. Does anybody have any advice?

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Mary - 17 Jul 2005 18:35 GMT
> I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
> of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
> trolls.

I don't see any troll messages. You mean messages like the one in
which you called a perfectly nice person a c*nt last week?

>However, sometimes they come through, and when I try to create
> the filters again, it lets me, like the original filters were somehow
> deleted. Does anybody have any advice?

I do, I do! I use something called Self Control Version 1.1.
I know who I don't want to read and just click past their name.
Works great, and my software came built-in. Clearly YMMV.
Christine K. - 17 Jul 2005 18:38 GMT
> I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
> of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
> trolls. However, sometimes they come through, and when I try to create
> the filters again, it lets me, like the original filters were somehow
> deleted. Does anybody have any advice?

It seems to create the filter based on the email addy. If the troll
changes their addy, you'll see his/her post. In other words, one will
have to keep making filters as often as the troll changes their email addy.

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Mary - 17 Jul 2005 18:46 GMT
> > I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
> > of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
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> changes their addy, you'll see his/her post. In other words, one will
> have to keep making filters as often as the troll changes their email addy.

Hmmm. Since I always post using this address, you cannot mean me.
What a relief.
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 17 Jul 2005 20:31 GMT
> > I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
> > of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> changes their addy, you'll see his/her post. In other words, one will
> have to keep making filters as often as the troll changes their email addy.

Yep.  I noticed that she wants SO HARD to be noticed that she's changed her
addy.  Little troll seeks the attention.

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Mary - 17 Jul 2005 20:35 GMT
> > > I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
> > > of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Yep.  I noticed that she wants SO HARD to be noticed that she's changed her
> addy.  Little troll seeks the attention.

Either that, or you are so self-important that you attribute events so that
they revolve around you.
Trish - 17 Jul 2005 20:45 GMT
> > > I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
> > > of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Yep.  I noticed that she wants SO HARD to be noticed that she's changed her
> addy.  Little troll seeks the attention.

I don't suppose they are talking about me changing my address last night,
and in their self inflated importance they did not read why I did it.
Regardless, just another example of their ignorance.
Christine K. - 17 Jul 2005 21:08 GMT
>>>It seems to create the filter based on the email addy. If the troll
>>>changes their addy, you'll see his/her post. In other words, one will
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> and in their self inflated importance they did not read why I did it.
> Regardless, just another example of their ignorance.

At least I was NOT talking about you. Funny way to react tho, at once
assume one is talking about you and give instant insult... :(

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Trish - 17 Jul 2005 21:14 GMT
> >>>It seems to create the filter based on the email addy. If the troll
> >>>changes their addy, you'll see his/her post. In other words, one will
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> At least I was NOT talking about you. Funny way to react tho, at once
> assume one is talking about you and give instant insult... :(

Actually you're right, my apologies to you for thinking the worse:)
cathyxyz - 17 Jul 2005 19:01 GMT
> I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
> of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
> trolls. However, sometimes they come through, and when I try to create
> the filters again, it lets me, like the original filters were somehow
> deleted. Does anybody have any advice?

Might have something to do with cross-posting. I have to set up filters
for each NG that I subscribe to. IOW something set up for rpca does not
work for rfc. Also depends where they post from. If they use a different
email address, but the same nickname, you have to use the advanced
filtering. (Use the "More" button" to add rules). That works for me.
HTH
Cathy
Mary - 17 Jul 2005 19:26 GMT
> > I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
> > of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> HTH
> Cathy

That is so good to know!
SuzQ - 19 Jul 2005 16:47 GMT
> Might have something to do with cross-posting. I have to set up filters
> for each NG that I subscribe to. IOW something set up for rpca does not
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> HTH
> Cathy

That is so good to know!
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For the most part I just click next. Hang in there Victor.
Suz (Spicey is napping)
whitershadeofpale - 17 Jul 2005 21:13 GMT
> > I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
> > of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> HTH
> Cathy

I got a good mind to killfile you, but I only have ONE person in my
KillFile.
All these nutjobs and only one in my killfile.

Cathy, why are you promoting hatred and elitism, you know it smells
like catchit in here! You're not helping.
cathyxyz - 18 Jul 2005 18:40 GMT
>>>I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
>>>of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> I got a good mind to killfile you,

Go ahead, make my day....

but I only have ONE person in my
> KillFile.

Pity it isn't you (or maybe it is...)

> All these nutjobs and only one in my killfile.
>
> Cathy, why are you promoting hatred and elitism, you know it smells
> like catchit in here! You're not helping.

Dunno which "troll school" you went to, but if I were you, I'd ask for
my money back.

Cathy

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whitershadeofpale - 17 Jul 2005 21:03 GMT
> I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
> of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov
> Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com

<shaking my head>

Gigs up nutjob!

How about contributing something useful to the group!

If the quality of your posts does not improve DRAMATICALLY I will
killfile you on that point alone.
Ted Davis - 18 Jul 2005 01:46 GMT
>I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
>of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
>trolls. However, sometimes they come through, and when I try to create
>the filters again, it lets me, like the original filters were somehow
>deleted. Does anybody have any advice?

Get a real news client.  

I use Thunderbird for e-mail, and recommend and install it for others
- I find it most useful.  However, as a news client it ranks with the
very worst I have ever tried - I found it useless when compared with
Agent.  There is a reason why the news feature is barely mentioned in
the program description, reviews, and documentation: it sucks.

You should, of course, avoid anything from Microsoft, but there are
quite a number of commercial, free, and shareware news readers
available, many of which have quite good filtering - address and
subject, and specific and global are the minimum for a decent filter
feature.

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Rrb - 18 Jul 2005 05:17 GMT
> I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
> of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
> trolls. However, sometimes they come through, and when I try to create
> the filters again, it lets me, like the original filters were somehow
> deleted. Does anybody have any advice?

Have you installed an upgrade of Thunderbird recently? If you have and
you installed it on top of an older version this type of thing can
happen. I would recommend installing a new version of Thunderbird into a
separate directory. You can also search bugzilla.mozilla.com to see if
what you experience has been reported as a bug.
Dan M - 18 Jul 2005 14:17 GMT
> I seem to be having a weird problem with my filters in Thunderbird. Most
> of the time, they work just fine and I don't see any messages by the
> trolls. However, sometimes they come through, and when I try to create
> the filters again, it lets me, like the original filters were somehow
> deleted. Does anybody have any advice?

I've noticed the same behavior on occasion. I haven't found a good
work-around.

In fact, it has recently been happening often enough that I now read news
using the Pan newsreader.
Victor Martinez - 18 Jul 2005 15:53 GMT
> I've noticed the same behavior on occasion. I haven't found a good
> work-around.

Thanks, I thought I was going crazy. :)

> In fact, it has recently been happening often enough that I now read news
> using the Pan newsreader.

I'm shopping for a new free newsreader now. I miss trn.

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Christine K. - 18 Jul 2005 17:30 GMT
> I'm shopping for a new free newsreader now. I miss trn.

I've had recommendations for Gravity, downloaded it myself, but haven't
quite got my head around the inner workings of it yet. I must be too
stuck with the ways of Thunderbird. Gravity is an open source program
and it is available for example here:
http://cws.internet.com/file/11436.htm
It is recommended that you do the tutorial that comes with the program,
but I have the bad habit of plunging right into a program and if I can't
use it properly at once, I'll let it sit for a while and consider
reading the help file or doing tutorials... ;)

Both Agent and Free Agent are available here:
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download.php
(one download, so apparently some features switch off if you haven't
paid for it and it becomes Free Agent)

Xnews has been quite OK too, haven't tried it myself for quite some time
now tho. A fairly new version available at the same site as Gravity:
http://cws.internet.com/file/11571.htm

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Dan M - 18 Jul 2005 19:45 GMT
> I've had recommendations for Gravity, downloaded it myself, but haven't
> quite got my head around the inner workings of it yet. I must be too
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> use it properly at once, I'll let it sit for a while and consider
> reading the help file or doing tutorials... ;)

Woohoo! I just downloaded Gravity and went through some of the tutorial
materials. In the section on Rule Filter I saw this capability:
"The article is cross-posted to more than X groups."

That means Gravity can block all cross-posted messages!

I'll play with it a little this afternoon (if I get these fires handled,
that is) and will post notes on how to configure it to block cross-posted
messages.

Dan
Dan M - 18 Jul 2005 19:33 GMT
> I'm shopping for a new free newsreader now. I miss trn.

If you want to give Pan a try it's available at http://www.rebelbase.com.
Note that you'll also have to install GTK for Windows to use Pan. Both can
be found at http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.14.2/WINDOWS/

Dan
 
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