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Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Jul 2005 04:07 GMT
I went to kickboxing class today; my first workout since the
sunburn-inducing hike.

My shoulders looked normal, just a bit red, before the class.

After the class, I thought, huh, odd, the burned skin must be
repelling moisture somehow.  It looked like sweat beading up on my
skin.

But it's still here half an hour.  They're not water droplets; they're
tiny clear ... blisters, I guess.  "Hundreds" probably isn't an
exaggeration.

Maybe this is a precursor to peeling.  Looks d*mn odd, but isn't
painful.

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~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 14 Jul 2005 04:12 GMT
> I went to kickboxing class today; my first workout since the
> sunburn-inducing hike.
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> Maybe this is a precursor to peeling.  Looks d*mn odd, but isn't
> painful.

Monique,

I used to work for Banana Boat Suntan Oil & Lotion.  You need aloe.  Aloe
promotes healing.  This will take the blisters away, BUT it will promote
peeling, because Aloe is a healing plant.  I have told my girlfriends time
and time again when they get a really good tan to NOT lubricate w/Aloe
because it will make ya peel.  But in your case, you need it.  Get whatever
brand you want.  The main thing is to get away from lubricants because they
are covering a burn.  Get aloe...  the strongest you can find.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Jul 2005 05:38 GMT
> I used to work for Banana Boat Suntan Oil & Lotion.  You need aloe.
> Aloe promotes healing.  This will take the blisters away, BUT it
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> to get away from lubricants because they are covering a burn.  Get
> aloe...  the strongest you can find.

Done!  I bought some "kiss my face" brand after-sun gel, which claims
95% aloe and no fragrance.

The reason I've been using moisturizer is that the aloe seemed to just
sit on my skin and get sticky, which could make contact with bedsheets
or whatever hurt worse.  Plain moisturizer seemed to be the best at
making me feel better -- better even than lidocaine.  And it didn't
leave a sticky residue.

Now, though, the stickiness isn't bothering me.

I don't understand what you mean by "get away from lubricants because
they are covering a burn."  What do you mean by lubricants, and
covering as opposed to what?

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Karen - 14 Jul 2005 05:11 GMT
> I went to kickboxing class today; my first workout since the
> sunburn-inducing hike.
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> Maybe this is a precursor to peeling.  Looks d*mn odd, but isn't
> painful.

Sounds like it to me. Eww. That's the part I hate.
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Jul 2005 05:41 GMT
>> Maybe this is a precursor to peeling.  Looks d*mn odd, but isn't
>> painful.
>
> Sounds like it to me. Eww. That's the part I hate.

That I don't mind so much.  It's not painful, and picking at the
shedding skin gives me something to do =)

The first few days of the burn, rather I should say nights, were
awful.  Only later did a friend ask me why I hadn't used the vicodin I
already had prescribed for my tooth stuff.  I bet I would have slept a lot
better.  It was literally impossible for me to find a sleeping
position that didn't hurt.  In comparison, shedding like a snake ain't
so bad =)

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Hopitus - 14 Jul 2005 06:31 GMT
I'm not usually posting serious stuff but as a native Floridian have knowhow
re sunburns & relief therefrom (I don't burn easily but from one old pic of
you and Oscar you look like very fair-skinned).
Yes, the blisters will be followed by bigtime peeling *as well as* bigtime
skin itching (not painful but annoying). Aloe is good. Something I used to
do (I was foolish in my youth and got bad burns by scuba-diving out in the
Atlantic all day in and out of friends' boats) to soothe the itching/heat
was stay a long time in baths w/lots of baking soda or epsom salts (readily
sold in pharmacies) in water. Pat yourself dry, not rub. Calamine lotion
(smells bad, soothes itching & irritation) is also good, but unsightly (it
makes you pink - or used to). You are over the painful part for the most
part.

>>> Maybe this is a precursor to peeling.  Looks d*mn odd, but isn't
>>> painful.
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> position that didn't hurt.  In comparison, shedding like a snake ain't
> so bad =)
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Jul 2005 18:20 GMT
> I'm not usually posting serious stuff but as a native Floridian have knowhow
> re sunburns & relief therefrom (I don't burn easily but from one old pic of
> you and Oscar you look like very fair-skinned).

I welcome both serious and non-serious stuff =P

I'm fairly fair-skinned.  I also tend to live in a cave.  Last year,
my first year of serious mountain biking, was also the first year I
didn't look pale throughout the summer since I can't remember when.
Unfortunately, it was a cyclist's tan -- I had tanned "sleeves" and
"stockings", the rest of me (feet, shoulders, hands) retaining their
pasty-white "glowing" appearance.  My burn right now is a direct (and
foolish) result of trying to even out the cycling tan I've gotten so
far this year.

I do have sleeveless jerseys now, so next year I'll be able to do sunny
rides in them right from the start, which will help soothe my ego.

> Yes, the blisters will be followed by bigtime peeling *as well as* bigtime
> skin itching (not painful but annoying). Aloe is good. Something I used to
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> makes you pink - or used to). You are over the painful part for the most
> part.

Thanks for the suggestions.  I can't imagine a bath right now -- not
with the unrelenting heat we've been experiencing!  Ugh!  I should be
happy that the trails are dry enough to ride, but instead I'm wishing
for a storm to cool things off.  I hope you have AC!

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Hopitus - 14 Jul 2005 18:48 GMT
Heh...no, here on Capitol Hill a/c's are scarce; heavy use of those "swamp"
things, tho, among the natives. It's all apts. here; the sun which kept my
butt here all winter (top floor S/W corner; endless sun - cats in hog
heaven) has now got the Deadly Duo bellyup on the hardwood floors not to
mention their hoomin slave. I guess the relatively short hot season here
makes a/c kinda a luxury; where I moved from the only time we got to turn it
off was around Dec.toMar (dead winter). Unlike last summer (my first here)
it isn't cooling off much @ night now...at least here in MileHigh.

>> I'm not usually posting serious stuff but as a native Floridian have
>> knowhow
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> happy that the trails are dry enough to ride, but instead I'm wishing
> for a storm to cool things off.  I hope you have AC!
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Jul 2005 21:45 GMT
> Heh...no, here on Capitol Hill a/c's are scarce; heavy use of those
> "swamp" things, tho, among the natives. It's all apts. here; the sun
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> (dead winter). Unlike last summer (my first here) it isn't cooling
> off much @ night now...at least here in MileHigh.

That's insane.  I disagree with the "relatively short" season, too;
our wedding was in March and we had the reception in our back yard,
complete with shorts and tees.  May to September or so is not "short"!
Then again, the family breakfast the day before featured snow (niece
Emilie's first time seeing it, too!).

Even with A/C, being home during the month of May (when I was laid
off) was miserable.  It was *hot* in the house.

Have you considered taking the troops into the mountains for the
weekends?  Much cooler when you're up a few thousand feet.  Just bring
sunscreen *grin* and water.

I think it's more typical to have afternoon showers that help ... in
fact, I remember the first couple of years thinking that as soon as
evening approached, it got pretty cool.  I imagined I would never wear
a shortsleeve shirt or tank after dark.  Hah!

At least it's not muggy like back East ... but ugh.

Hey, the outside's looking kinda overcast ... I wonder if it will
finally rain today?  It would figure, as the forecast has been 20-30%
thunderstorms for two weeks and not a drop.  Today the forecast was
sunny, no mention of precipitation.

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badwilson - 14 Jul 2005 07:05 GMT
> I went to kickboxing class today; my first workout since the
> sunburn-inducing hike.
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> Maybe this is a precursor to peeling.  Looks d*mn odd, but isn't
> painful.

Aaaah, the ol' blister skin.  Yup, next thing it will do is peel.
Been there, done that :-(
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jmcquown - 14 Jul 2005 08:53 GMT
> I went to kickboxing class today; my first workout since the
> sunburn-inducing hike.
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> Maybe this is a precursor to peeling.  Looks d*mn odd, but isn't
> painful.

Mo, I got a sunburn on my left arm at the last art show with John.  Left arm
only because the way I was sitting, his canopy had my right side in the
shade!  We thought I was fully shaded but apparently not.  It wasn't a
painful burn like yours.  But a *week* later a hundred tiny blisters
appeared.  Don't know what took them so long to show up!  Yep, it peeled.

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Jul 2005 17:56 GMT
> Mo, I got a sunburn on my left arm at the last art show with John.
> Left arm only because the way I was sitting, his canopy had my right
> side in the shade!  We thought I was fully shaded but apparently
> not.  It wasn't a painful burn like yours.  But a *week* later a
> hundred tiny blisters appeared.  Don't know what took them so long
> to show up!  Yep, it peeled.

Yeah, the delay is what weirds me out.  I don't think they're "true"
blisters, though, at least in my case.  The fluid in them, if that's
what it was, was clear; they looked exactly like water droplets.  When
I've had "real" blisters in the past, they've always seemed cloudy.

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wafflycat - 14 Jul 2005 14:39 GMT
> But it's still here half an hour.  They're not water droplets; they're
> tiny clear ... blisters, I guess.  "Hundreds" probably isn't an
> exaggeration.
>
> Maybe this is a precursor to peeling.  Looks d*mn odd, but isn't
> painful.

Indeed, you have burnt and *are* going to peel. Been there, done that :-)

Cheers, helen s
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Jul 2005 17:55 GMT
> Indeed, you have burnt and *are* going to peel. Been there, done
> that :-)

Pbbthhbbb!!!!

This morning, the mini-blisters have disappeared and there's a very
small amount of peeling.  Almost invisible.

It feels a lot better.  I'm wearing a short-sleeved shirt (as opposed
to sleeveless) for the first time since I got the burn on Saturday.
It doesn't even hurt!

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wafflycat - 14 Jul 2005 21:54 GMT
>> Indeed, you have burnt and *are* going to peel. Been there, done
>> that :-)
>
> Pbbthhbbb!!!!

If you are going to swear at me, does it have to be in Venusian???

Cheers, helen s ;-)
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Jul 2005 22:25 GMT
>> Pbbthhbbb!!!!
>
> If you are going to swear at me, does it have to be in Venusian???
>
> Cheers, helen s ;-)

That's the written representation of the sound of a raspberry!

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wafflycat - 14 Jul 2005 23:40 GMT
>>> Pbbthhbbb!!!!
>>
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>
> That's the written representation of the sound of a raspberry!

In Venusian!! If it were Martian, there's be an extra b at the end and a
silent f before the first h.

Cheers, helen s ;-)
(Nanu! Nanu!)
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Jul 2005 00:21 GMT
> In Venusian!! If it were Martian, there's be an extra b at the end
> and a silent f before the first h.
>
> Cheers, helen s ;-) (Nanu! Nanu!)

So how would they spell "Hrmph!"?

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Enfilade - 15 Jul 2005 01:11 GMT
Lubricant:  If you put a greasy/oily lotion on a burn, it will "trap"
the heat of the burn inside your body and make it harder to heal.

--Fil
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Jul 2005 03:30 GMT
> Lubricant:  If you put a greasy/oily lotion on a burn, it will
> "trap" the heat of the burn inside your body and make it harder to
> heal.

Oh.

That doesn't sound like the moisturizers I use.  They seem to soak in
pretty quickly.

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Howard C. Berkowitz - 15 Jul 2005 03:53 GMT
> > Lubricant:  If you put a greasy/oily lotion on a burn, it will
> > "trap" the heat of the burn inside your body and make it harder to
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> That doesn't sound like the moisturizers I use.  They seem to soak in
> pretty quickly.

Moisturizers work by decreasing evaporation, not adding moisture but
preventing its loss. If you look on the ingredients list of any
commercial one, you'll quickly find something that is not water-soluble.

There are, indeed, many reasons not to put oily substances on second- or
third-degree burns, where the fluid loss through the broken skin is
tremendous. Silver sulfadiazine is in a water-soluble base.
Realistically, in major burns, the moisturizers are intravenous.

A lot of concepts advertised in cosmetics make no biological sense.
Collagen, for example, is not water soluble. How would superficially
applied collagen (not concentrated injections) get inside cells?
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Jul 2005 03:59 GMT
> Moisturizers work by decreasing evaporation, not adding moisture but
> preventing its loss. If you look on the ingredients list of any
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> base.  Realistically, in major burns, the moisturizers are
> intravenous.

Okay, but I don't have broken skin.

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Howard C. Berkowitz - 15 Jul 2005 04:24 GMT
> > Moisturizers work by decreasing evaporation, not adding moisture but
> > preventing its loss. If you look on the ingredients list of any
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>
> Okay, but I don't have broken skin.

From what you describe with the blisters, I suspect that your skin is
mildly broken, just not deeply -- probably at the top of the three
levels of skin.  This would probably show up under magnification.
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Jul 2005 05:01 GMT
>> Okay, but I don't have broken skin.
>
> From what you describe with the blisters, I suspect that your skin
> is mildly broken, just not deeply -- probably at the top of the
> three levels of skin.  This would probably show up under
> magnification.

Oh.

Well, that could be ... dunno.

I'm now using aloe, but I hate how you can feel it on your skin
forever.

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Hopitus - 15 Jul 2005 05:29 GMT
What Howard said is true: top layer of your skin (1st or 2nd degree burn) is
"broken" - that's why those messy things I mentioned for soothing baths
help; they soak into broken skin w/soothing minerals (epsom salts). From
what you post lately I don't think your sunburn is a really bad one, but I'm
sure very uncomfortable @ first.

>>> Okay, but I don't have broken skin.
>>
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> I'm now using aloe, but I hate how you can feel it on your skin
> forever.
Howard C. Berkowitz - 15 Jul 2005 12:19 GMT
> What Howard said is true: top layer of your skin (1st or 2nd degree burn)
> is
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> I'm
> sure very uncomfortable @ first.

That's one of the reasons to be careful about overusing lidocaine on
large areas of broken skin.  Lidocaine is an excellent local anesthetic,
but, injected, it also is a potent cardiac drug.  Absorbing large
amounts of lidocaine from skin could have effects on the heart.

> >>> Okay, but I don't have broken skin.
> >>
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> > I'm now using aloe, but I hate how you can feel it on your skin
> > forever.
Hopitus - 15 Jul 2005 16:08 GMT
Wow! Scary! I never liked putting goo on my skin (lean more to NSAIDS
temporarily) but will sure keep this in mind, Howard.

>> What Howard said is true: top layer of your skin (1st or 2nd degree burn)
>> is
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>> > I'm now using aloe, but I hate how you can feel it on your skin
>> > forever.
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Jul 2005 17:20 GMT
> What Howard said is true: top layer of your skin (1st or 2nd degree
> burn) is "broken" - that's why those messy things I mentioned for
> soothing baths help; they soak into broken skin w/soothing minerals
> (epsom salts). From what you post lately I don't think your sunburn
> is a really bad one, but I'm sure very uncomfortable @ first.

One of my shoulders looks pretty normal, just a little red and peely.
The other one is red and peely as well, but has what I'd describe as a
mild case of "elephant skin" when I raise my arm so that the skin
isn't stretched out the way it is when my arm is down.  If that makes
sense.  Just kinda rough and lined.

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CATherine - 15 Jul 2005 21:55 GMT
>>> Okay, but I don't have broken skin.
>>
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>I'm now using aloe, but I hate how you can feel it on your skin
>forever.

I always have an aloe vera plant growing and just smear a burn with
the juice inside the leaf. It contains a mild analgesic and heals
exceptionally well and fast. I once read it is the best thing for
burns, even radiation burns.

--
CATherine
wafflycat - 15 Jul 2005 18:04 GMT
>> In Venusian!! If it were Martian, there's be an extra b at the end
>> and a silent f before the first h.
>>
>> Cheers, helen s ;-) (Nanu! Nanu!)
>
> So how would they spell "Hrmph!"?

Silent x after the r

Cheers, helen s ;-)
 
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