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CatNipped - 29 Jun 2005 02:30 GMT
The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago
for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what
they were asking for their newly remodeled home).  They have a brand new SUV
in the driveway.  They have a brand new motorcycle in the attached garage.
They also have a poor little scrawny female cat who has not been spayed or
vaccinated....

and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn't believe
the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00".

http://www.possibleplaces.com/CatNipped/Real_kittens/

<BIG SIGH>  Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now.  We
had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven't recovered yet.  We
are putting off having our own cats vetted because of Jessie's recent vet
bills.  But I just know what kind of homes these kittens will go to - if
they even get to go to a home in the middle of kitten season and don't get
taken to the pound or dropped somewhere to fend for themselves!

AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

I *HATE* people sometimes!

</rant>

Hugs,

CatNipped
KellyH - 29 Jun 2005 02:36 GMT
> The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago
> for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what
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>
> CatNipped

Are there any good rescue groups in the area?  I would buy them all and get
them into a good rescue.

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CatNipped - 29 Jun 2005 03:00 GMT
> > The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago
> > for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what
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> Are there any good rescue groups in the area?  I would buy them all and get
> them into a good rescue.

There is, but they are full to capacity (and a bit beyond) and aren't
accepting any more kittens right now in the middle of kitten season - they
have about 25 kittens already as well as hundreds of adult cats that have
been languishing in cages for over a year already.  I'm trying to talk DH
into squeezing one more into our clowder, but I really don't have any hope
of success because I know he's right about our finances.  As much as I want
to save every kitten (and every adult) stray, my own four have to come
first.

Hugs,

CatNipped
KellyH - 29 Jun 2005 03:14 GMT
> There is, but they are full to capacity (and a bit beyond) and aren't
> accepting any more kittens right now in the middle of kitten season - they
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> to save every kitten (and every adult) stray, my own four have to come
> first.

Maybe you can foster them until they can be gotten into a rescue?  Check
into spay/neuter resources too.  They often can help with the kittens, and
if the momma isn't spayed, they are going to have another litter.  I wish
the group my friend is with was in your area.  They will come to the
person's house and pick up the cat so they have no excuses.  Spay fee is
whatever you can afford.

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CatNipped - 29 Jun 2005 03:24 GMT
> > There is, but they are full to capacity (and a bit beyond) and aren't
> > accepting any more kittens right now in the middle of kitten season - they
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> person's house and pick up the cat so they have no excuses.  Spay fee is
> whatever you can afford.

We have S.N.A.P. here in Houston and I've printed out information about
their program and given to the neighbors.  It costs $30 for vaccs and
another $40 for the spay or $30 for neuter, but for 5 kittens that's out of
our ballpark right now.  Even the cost of extra food and litter to foster
would be hard on us after the unexpected vet bill for Jessie.  Believe, I'm
thinking and thinking, but convincing DH to spend any more right now when we
can't pay the car insurance is not going to happen.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Gracecat - 29 Jun 2005 03:00 GMT
>> The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago
>> for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew
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> Are there any good rescue groups in the area?  I would buy them all and
> get them into a good rescue.

She may not can.

The way our rescue group does, if the cats have a home then they won't be
accepted. Technically, these cats aren't strays. They're in a poor
situation, but they're not feral or abandoned.

Grace
Victor Martinez - 29 Jun 2005 03:20 GMT
> and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn't believe
> the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00".

Do you think you could talk to them regarding the dangers of selling
kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who
want to feed them to snakes, etc.

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CatNipped - 29 Jun 2005 03:26 GMT
> > and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn't believe
> > the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00".
>
> Do you think you could talk to them regarding the dangers of selling
> kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who
> want to feed them to snakes, etc.

I did.  I also printed out a bunch of copies of the spay/neuter/vaccination
information from the Houston S.N.A.P. web site for them to give out with
each kitten "sold".  Fed to snakes is one of the milder fates of free/cheap
kittens here in Houston - they're also used to "bait" pit bulls to teach
them blood lust, sold to animal testing labs, etc.  I bent their ears for
almost an hours, but they eyes glazed over and I could see the print-outs
were headed for the nearest trash cans.  These people just don't care!

Hugs,

CatNipped
dopekitty - 29 Jun 2005 05:21 GMT
>> and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn't
>> believe
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> kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who
> want to feed them to snakes, etc.

That's not really fair though, many folks get "free" kittens and take
VERY good care of them, myself being one of them.  Tygra was gotten from
a girl i knew who had an unspayed kitty that had a litter, and Possum
was gotten through a newspaper ad, the owner had a purebred himalayan
female, and she snuck out and got herself preggers by a random cat.  I
am grateful every day for the chance to love and care for these two
wonderful cats, and they are far from free in the long run anyhow, what
with the spaying/neutering and any other vet needs (luckily, ear mites
was the worst we've had to deal with so far)  If i had had to pay to
acquire these two wonderful cats, i wouldn't have them, as my hubby
doesn't believe in buying living things and our income is fairly
limited.  It's enough to feed, buy litter, etc... and hope that nothing
major goes wrong physically, but to pay out of pocket for a pet that so
often IS given away for free by folks who just want the pet to have a
home isn't something we could manage.  We also have a pet mouse gotten
from a girl i know who got a mouse pet and then found out she was
preggers after acquiring her.

Kristy
Melissa Houle - 29 Jun 2005 07:08 GMT
> >> and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn't
> >> believe
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>
> Kristy

I hope it will be the fate of those kittens to be adopted by caring people
such as yourself, Kristy, who will love and take good care of them.   I will
have my three purr to Bast that that will happen.  And I'm sure other good
cat parents have come by their kittens when a family advertised Free Kittens
in the past. In less enlightened times in the 60's and 70's, my mom gave
away a fair number of free kittens herself, and poor Luna had more litters
than we should have let her have before we had her spayed.

But... The thought of the short, miserable life and the terrifying, painful
death those kittens  would experience at the hands of callous Pit Bull
owners in the name of "training"  just makes me unbearably sad and angry.
Even being taken to a shelter and eventually euthanized  would be a kinder
end for them than that.  Careless cat and dog owners who won't spay and
neuter their animals are bad enough.  But Pit Bulls send ME off into rant
land. Especially since two children have been attacked by pitbulls around
where I live in the past month, one of them fatally. In the fatal case, the
dogs were considered beloved family pets, but they just turned on the kid
unexpectedly. (The mother used INCREDIBLY bad judgement, IMO, and has been
charged with felony child endangerment.)  When will people learn that
keeping aggressive attack dogs in a household with children or even in a
densely populated neighborhood is a seriously BAD idea???

  Don't get me wrong, I am VERY fond of dogs who are friendly and
well-behaved. My late friend Vee had a very gentle German Shepherd, and Mia
and I were great friends. Vee's grandchildren and great nieces and nephews
adored Mia too, and there was never a problem with Mia being aggressive
toward the kids, or toward anybody else.  I blame pitbull owners more than
the dogs themselves for the dogs are what the humans made them. But still,
some breeds of dogs ARE naturally more aggressive than others, and are not
safe as pets, IMO.  There are too many risks involved. And where is the
pleasure and companionship that SHOULD accompany dog ownership if the person
is always wondering if Rover will lick their hand or tear it off at the
wrist? I wouldn't want to be around a dog like that for five minutes.

All right... Rant mode off.  Sorry all.

I hope the new neighbors will at least put some thought into the
prospective adopters of their kittens.  And I hope they did listen to you
about spaying the mama kitty, Lori.  Sometimes, alas, we have to acknowledge
our limits, of our financial resources if not our hearts. As much as you
love your cats, you still have to think of such details as mortgages,
utilities and groceries. No one of us can rescue all the cats in need in the
world, or even at the local shelter no matter how much we might want to.
You did what you could for that little mama cat  by talking to her owners,
which is more than many people would have done.  If they're thick-headed,
it's not for want of your trying to tell them there's a better way to care
for their animals.

Melissa
Victor Martinez - 29 Jun 2005 11:59 GMT
> major goes wrong physically, but to pay out of pocket for a pet that so
> often IS given away for free by folks who just want the pet to have a
> home isn't something we could manage.  We also have a pet mouse gotten

I'm sorry, but if you cannot afford $25 for a kitten, can you really
afford to take care of it?

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Steve Touchstone - 29 Jun 2005 08:48 GMT
>> and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn't believe
>> the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00".
>
>Do you think you could talk to them regarding the dangers of selling
>kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who
>want to feed them to snakes, etc.

I guess that's sad but true. Unfortunately, too many people equate
free with worthless. Course, if Lori's neighbors aren't taking care of
their momma cat, they propabably can't be bothered to try to look
after the best interests of the little ones.

I never even thought about it back when LB had her kittens so just
gave them away. When it came time to find homes for Spot's babies,
having learned a little from this group, I printed up a "contract". I
charged the adopter what it cost for shots and speutering at the local
nonprofit clinic, and gave them a copy of the clinic's services and
prices. I agreed to refund the "cost" when they showed me
documentation proving the little one had been "done". Next time I need
to include a "no-declaw" paragraph, which I deglected to include this
time.

I suppose such a contract may not be legally enforceable, but at least
it could weed out some, if not most, of the impulse adoptions. Only
used the contract with Cali, though, since I figured I could trust Dr
Haney, my regular vet, to take care of the three he either took home
or placed.
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Melissa Houle - 29 Jun 2005 17:13 GMT
> >> and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn't believe
> >> the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00".
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Perhaps not enforceable, but it sounds like a good, sensible and fair plan,
Steve.  It also gives the prospective owners a good example of the
importance of regular innoculations and health care for the  kittens.  And
having to read through and sign a contract, and the possibility of getting
their money back once they've done the responsible thing adds a certain
attraction for them, and should weed out impulsive adoptions.

Melissa
spamtrap - 29 Jun 2005 04:22 GMT
> The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago
> for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what
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>
> CatNipped

Some people! I can't believe what some people do. Perhaps "someone"
could sneak out and change the price to perhaps a $100.00 or so? If
anything perhaps it will keep the "riff raff" down.
Kreisleriana - 29 Jun 2005 04:44 GMT
>The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago
>for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what
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>
></rant>

Idiots, idiots, idiots.

<<<<Lori>>>>

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sriddles@aol.com - 29 Jun 2005 05:03 GMT
> The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago
> for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what
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>
> CatNipped

Warning: The following advice is not exactly ethical, or truthful.
Here's what I did recently with a situation close to yours, except it
was a dog w/puppies.
I told the lady there was this wonderful program at the humane society
where they were spaying dogs for free. (a big lie.) I'd be glad to get
her dog enrolled. I then went to the vet, and paid for the spay. I let
the vet in on the lie so he could cover for me. (oh what a tangled
web). Then I told the lady all the paperwork was taken care of and all
she had to do was drop the dog off at Dr. So-and-so's.
This was a couple that DH used to work with. They had a
pekingese-looking mix. I swear that dog had so many puppes over the
last few years and she was looking old, and still having puppies. I
knew they were much too prideful to let somebody (us) pay for it.
I wonder if there's any way you can talk them into spaying the mother
cat. The kitten situation is bad, but that mama is just going to crank
out another litter in a few months.

Sherry
KellyH - 29 Jun 2005 07:31 GMT
> Warning: The following advice is not exactly ethical, or truthful.
> Here's what I did recently with a situation close to yours, except it
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>
> Sherry

How sneaky of you!  I love it :)
What our shelter used to be able to do is spay/vacc and adopt back a momma
cat if someone surrendered the kittens.  We can't anymore due to shelter
politics, so we have to refer to an outside s/n group.
On occasion if someone has a litter and they insist on giving them out to
their friends, we will take in the litter s/n vacc them, and then have the
friends adopt from us.  It's not totally within our policy to do that, but
IMHO it's best to get those kittens s/n and break the cycle.

-Kelly
Melissa Houle - 29 Jun 2005 17:19 GMT
> > Warning: The following advice is not exactly ethical, or truthful.
> > Here's what I did recently with a situation close to yours, except it
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>
> -Kelly

Hey, it was sneakiness in a good cause, Sherry. =o) After all everyone
concerned benefitted, and who was harmed? Nobody!  You followed your
conscience and the vet got paid.  You did a good day's work for the dog,
since she won't be a source of more unwanted puppies in the future.  And the
owner's feathers weren't ruffled out of place. Animal welfare and future
health  is worth a bent truth, or two, I think.

Melissa
wafflycat - 29 Jun 2005 11:40 GMT
> <BIG SIGH>  Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now.  We
> had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven't recovered yet.  We
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>
> I *HATE* people sometimes!

Yup - I can understand. I'd love to take in another rescue, but finances
don't allow it and it's simply not fair to lower the care given to the ones
already in your care to take on yet another. Sadly, we *can't* do it all, we
are only human with limited finances.

Cheers, helen s
Cheryl Perkins - 29 Jun 2005 12:02 GMT
> Yup - I can understand. I'd love to take in another rescue, but finances
> don't allow it and it's simply not fair to lower the care given to the ones
> already in your care to take on yet another. Sadly, we *can't* do it all, we
> are only human with limited finances.

That's something I have to keep reminding myself, too. I'd love to take on
more cats. Sometimes, I think, of course one more won't cost too much,
what's a little more food? Then reality intrudes, and I remind myself that
I'm hoping and praying Mandy won't need dental work again this winter,
because of the cost, and that my first responsibility is to the two cats I
already have.

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Enfilade - 29 Jun 2005 14:30 GMT
Catnipped, I sympathize with you and these kittens, but your
responsibility is to your cats that you already have.  If you are
scratching for money to take care of your own needs and the needs of
the cats you already have, then it is not fair to ANYONE in the
household to bring in another cat.

Back in 2003,
I thought we would have to give away the bitties because I couldn't
afford vet bills and more food--my job was ending 3 weeks after DP
brought them home, and I had obligations to Smokey and Nox with the
money I'd managed to save.
The only reason we have the bitties is because DP got a big line of
credit to pay for medical school and he sacrificed a few trips and
nights out in order to spend the money on kitten care.   Those kittens
are really his in so many ways.

I now hope we don't find any more orphan bits or stray Smokeys because
we are treating our clowder in style, but it'll be tight if we have a
vet emergency.

I purr that these kittens will find good homes.  Bast bless.

--Fil
polonca12000 - 30 Jun 2005 22:14 GMT
I'm so very sorry to hear that.
Lots of purrs and best wishes for momma and her kittens to find their
onetruehomes with people who care,
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> The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago
> for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what
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>
> CatNipped

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