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CatNipped - 29 Jun 2005 02:30 GMT The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what they were asking for their newly remodeled home). They have a brand new SUV in the driveway. They have a brand new motorcycle in the attached garage. They also have a poor little scrawny female cat who has not been spayed or vaccinated....
and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of". I couldn't believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00".
http://www.possibleplaces.com/CatNipped/Real_kittens/
<BIG SIGH> Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now. We had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven't recovered yet. We are putting off having our own cats vetted because of Jessie's recent vet bills. But I just know what kind of homes these kittens will go to - if they even get to go to a home in the middle of kitten season and don't get taken to the pound or dropped somewhere to fend for themselves!
AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
I *HATE* people sometimes!
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Hugs,
CatNipped
KellyH - 29 Jun 2005 02:36 GMT > The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago > for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > CatNipped Are there any good rescue groups in the area? I would buy them all and get them into a good rescue.
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CatNipped - 29 Jun 2005 03:00 GMT > > The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago > > for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Are there any good rescue groups in the area? I would buy them all and get > them into a good rescue. There is, but they are full to capacity (and a bit beyond) and aren't accepting any more kittens right now in the middle of kitten season - they have about 25 kittens already as well as hundreds of adult cats that have been languishing in cages for over a year already. I'm trying to talk DH into squeezing one more into our clowder, but I really don't have any hope of success because I know he's right about our finances. As much as I want to save every kitten (and every adult) stray, my own four have to come first.
Hugs,
CatNipped
KellyH - 29 Jun 2005 03:14 GMT > There is, but they are full to capacity (and a bit beyond) and aren't > accepting any more kittens right now in the middle of kitten season - they [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to save every kitten (and every adult) stray, my own four have to come > first. Maybe you can foster them until they can be gotten into a rescue? Check into spay/neuter resources too. They often can help with the kittens, and if the momma isn't spayed, they are going to have another litter. I wish the group my friend is with was in your area. They will come to the person's house and pick up the cat so they have no excuses. Spay fee is whatever you can afford.
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CatNipped - 29 Jun 2005 03:24 GMT > > There is, but they are full to capacity (and a bit beyond) and aren't > > accepting any more kittens right now in the middle of kitten season - they [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > person's house and pick up the cat so they have no excuses. Spay fee is > whatever you can afford. We have S.N.A.P. here in Houston and I've printed out information about their program and given to the neighbors. It costs $30 for vaccs and another $40 for the spay or $30 for neuter, but for 5 kittens that's out of our ballpark right now. Even the cost of extra food and litter to foster would be hard on us after the unexpected vet bill for Jessie. Believe, I'm thinking and thinking, but convincing DH to spend any more right now when we can't pay the car insurance is not going to happen.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Gracecat - 29 Jun 2005 03:00 GMT >> The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago >> for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Are there any good rescue groups in the area? I would buy them all and > get them into a good rescue. She may not can.
The way our rescue group does, if the cats have a home then they won't be accepted. Technically, these cats aren't strays. They're in a poor situation, but they're not feral or abandoned.
Grace
Victor Martinez - 29 Jun 2005 03:20 GMT > and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of". I couldn't believe > the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". Do you think you could talk to them regarding the dangers of selling kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who want to feed them to snakes, etc.
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CatNipped - 29 Jun 2005 03:26 GMT > > and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of". I couldn't believe > > the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". > > Do you think you could talk to them regarding the dangers of selling > kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who > want to feed them to snakes, etc. I did. I also printed out a bunch of copies of the spay/neuter/vaccination information from the Houston S.N.A.P. web site for them to give out with each kitten "sold". Fed to snakes is one of the milder fates of free/cheap kittens here in Houston - they're also used to "bait" pit bulls to teach them blood lust, sold to animal testing labs, etc. I bent their ears for almost an hours, but they eyes glazed over and I could see the print-outs were headed for the nearest trash cans. These people just don't care!
Hugs,
CatNipped
dopekitty - 29 Jun 2005 05:21 GMT >> and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of". I couldn't >> believe [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who > want to feed them to snakes, etc. That's not really fair though, many folks get "free" kittens and take VERY good care of them, myself being one of them. Tygra was gotten from a girl i knew who had an unspayed kitty that had a litter, and Possum was gotten through a newspaper ad, the owner had a purebred himalayan female, and she snuck out and got herself preggers by a random cat. I am grateful every day for the chance to love and care for these two wonderful cats, and they are far from free in the long run anyhow, what with the spaying/neutering and any other vet needs (luckily, ear mites was the worst we've had to deal with so far) If i had had to pay to acquire these two wonderful cats, i wouldn't have them, as my hubby doesn't believe in buying living things and our income is fairly limited. It's enough to feed, buy litter, etc... and hope that nothing major goes wrong physically, but to pay out of pocket for a pet that so often IS given away for free by folks who just want the pet to have a home isn't something we could manage. We also have a pet mouse gotten from a girl i know who got a mouse pet and then found out she was preggers after acquiring her.
Kristy
Melissa Houle - 29 Jun 2005 07:08 GMT > >> and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of". I couldn't > >> believe [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Kristy I hope it will be the fate of those kittens to be adopted by caring people such as yourself, Kristy, who will love and take good care of them. I will have my three purr to Bast that that will happen. And I'm sure other good cat parents have come by their kittens when a family advertised Free Kittens in the past. In less enlightened times in the 60's and 70's, my mom gave away a fair number of free kittens herself, and poor Luna had more litters than we should have let her have before we had her spayed.
But... The thought of the short, miserable life and the terrifying, painful death those kittens would experience at the hands of callous Pit Bull owners in the name of "training" just makes me unbearably sad and angry. Even being taken to a shelter and eventually euthanized would be a kinder end for them than that. Careless cat and dog owners who won't spay and neuter their animals are bad enough. But Pit Bulls send ME off into rant land. Especially since two children have been attacked by pitbulls around where I live in the past month, one of them fatally. In the fatal case, the dogs were considered beloved family pets, but they just turned on the kid unexpectedly. (The mother used INCREDIBLY bad judgement, IMO, and has been charged with felony child endangerment.) When will people learn that keeping aggressive attack dogs in a household with children or even in a densely populated neighborhood is a seriously BAD idea???
Don't get me wrong, I am VERY fond of dogs who are friendly and well-behaved. My late friend Vee had a very gentle German Shepherd, and Mia and I were great friends. Vee's grandchildren and great nieces and nephews adored Mia too, and there was never a problem with Mia being aggressive toward the kids, or toward anybody else. I blame pitbull owners more than the dogs themselves for the dogs are what the humans made them. But still, some breeds of dogs ARE naturally more aggressive than others, and are not safe as pets, IMO. There are too many risks involved. And where is the pleasure and companionship that SHOULD accompany dog ownership if the person is always wondering if Rover will lick their hand or tear it off at the wrist? I wouldn't want to be around a dog like that for five minutes.
All right... Rant mode off. Sorry all.
I hope the new neighbors will at least put some thought into the prospective adopters of their kittens. And I hope they did listen to you about spaying the mama kitty, Lori. Sometimes, alas, we have to acknowledge our limits, of our financial resources if not our hearts. As much as you love your cats, you still have to think of such details as mortgages, utilities and groceries. No one of us can rescue all the cats in need in the world, or even at the local shelter no matter how much we might want to. You did what you could for that little mama cat by talking to her owners, which is more than many people would have done. If they're thick-headed, it's not for want of your trying to tell them there's a better way to care for their animals.
Melissa
Victor Martinez - 29 Jun 2005 11:59 GMT > major goes wrong physically, but to pay out of pocket for a pet that so > often IS given away for free by folks who just want the pet to have a > home isn't something we could manage. We also have a pet mouse gotten I'm sorry, but if you cannot afford $25 for a kitten, can you really afford to take care of it?
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Steve Touchstone - 29 Jun 2005 08:48 GMT >> and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of". I couldn't believe >> the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". > >Do you think you could talk to them regarding the dangers of selling >kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who >want to feed them to snakes, etc. I guess that's sad but true. Unfortunately, too many people equate free with worthless. Course, if Lori's neighbors aren't taking care of their momma cat, they propabably can't be bothered to try to look after the best interests of the little ones.
I never even thought about it back when LB had her kittens so just gave them away. When it came time to find homes for Spot's babies, having learned a little from this group, I printed up a "contract". I charged the adopter what it cost for shots and speutering at the local nonprofit clinic, and gave them a copy of the clinic's services and prices. I agreed to refund the "cost" when they showed me documentation proving the little one had been "done". Next time I need to include a "no-declaw" paragraph, which I deglected to include this time.
I suppose such a contract may not be legally enforceable, but at least it could weed out some, if not most, of the impulse adoptions. Only used the contract with Cali, though, since I figured I could trust Dr Haney, my regular vet, to take care of the three he either took home or placed.
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Melissa Houle - 29 Jun 2005 17:13 GMT > >> and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of". I couldn't believe > >> the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html > Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html Perhaps not enforceable, but it sounds like a good, sensible and fair plan, Steve. It also gives the prospective owners a good example of the importance of regular innoculations and health care for the kittens. And having to read through and sign a contract, and the possibility of getting their money back once they've done the responsible thing adds a certain attraction for them, and should weed out impulsive adoptions.
Melissa
spamtrap - 29 Jun 2005 04:22 GMT > The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago > for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > CatNipped Some people! I can't believe what some people do. Perhaps "someone" could sneak out and change the price to perhaps a $100.00 or so? If anything perhaps it will keep the "riff raff" down.
Kreisleriana - 29 Jun 2005 04:44 GMT >The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago >for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > ></rant> Idiots, idiots, idiots.
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sriddles@aol.com - 29 Jun 2005 05:03 GMT > The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago > for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > CatNipped Warning: The following advice is not exactly ethical, or truthful. Here's what I did recently with a situation close to yours, except it was a dog w/puppies. I told the lady there was this wonderful program at the humane society where they were spaying dogs for free. (a big lie.) I'd be glad to get her dog enrolled. I then went to the vet, and paid for the spay. I let the vet in on the lie so he could cover for me. (oh what a tangled web). Then I told the lady all the paperwork was taken care of and all she had to do was drop the dog off at Dr. So-and-so's. This was a couple that DH used to work with. They had a pekingese-looking mix. I swear that dog had so many puppes over the last few years and she was looking old, and still having puppies. I knew they were much too prideful to let somebody (us) pay for it. I wonder if there's any way you can talk them into spaying the mother cat. The kitten situation is bad, but that mama is just going to crank out another litter in a few months.
Sherry
KellyH - 29 Jun 2005 07:31 GMT > Warning: The following advice is not exactly ethical, or truthful. > Here's what I did recently with a situation close to yours, except it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sherry How sneaky of you! I love it :) What our shelter used to be able to do is spay/vacc and adopt back a momma cat if someone surrendered the kittens. We can't anymore due to shelter politics, so we have to refer to an outside s/n group. On occasion if someone has a litter and they insist on giving them out to their friends, we will take in the litter s/n vacc them, and then have the friends adopt from us. It's not totally within our policy to do that, but IMHO it's best to get those kittens s/n and break the cycle.
-Kelly
Melissa Houle - 29 Jun 2005 17:19 GMT > > Warning: The following advice is not exactly ethical, or truthful. > > Here's what I did recently with a situation close to yours, except it [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > -Kelly Hey, it was sneakiness in a good cause, Sherry. =o) After all everyone concerned benefitted, and who was harmed? Nobody! You followed your conscience and the vet got paid. You did a good day's work for the dog, since she won't be a source of more unwanted puppies in the future. And the owner's feathers weren't ruffled out of place. Animal welfare and future health is worth a bent truth, or two, I think.
Melissa
wafflycat - 29 Jun 2005 11:40 GMT > <BIG SIGH> Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now. We > had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven't recovered yet. We [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I *HATE* people sometimes! Yup - I can understand. I'd love to take in another rescue, but finances don't allow it and it's simply not fair to lower the care given to the ones already in your care to take on yet another. Sadly, we *can't* do it all, we are only human with limited finances.
Cheers, helen s
Cheryl Perkins - 29 Jun 2005 12:02 GMT > Yup - I can understand. I'd love to take in another rescue, but finances > don't allow it and it's simply not fair to lower the care given to the ones > already in your care to take on yet another. Sadly, we *can't* do it all, we > are only human with limited finances. That's something I have to keep reminding myself, too. I'd love to take on more cats. Sometimes, I think, of course one more won't cost too much, what's a little more food? Then reality intrudes, and I remind myself that I'm hoping and praying Mandy won't need dental work again this winter, because of the cost, and that my first responsibility is to the two cats I already have.
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Enfilade - 29 Jun 2005 14:30 GMT Catnipped, I sympathize with you and these kittens, but your responsibility is to your cats that you already have. If you are scratching for money to take care of your own needs and the needs of the cats you already have, then it is not fair to ANYONE in the household to bring in another cat.
Back in 2003, I thought we would have to give away the bitties because I couldn't afford vet bills and more food--my job was ending 3 weeks after DP brought them home, and I had obligations to Smokey and Nox with the money I'd managed to save. The only reason we have the bitties is because DP got a big line of credit to pay for medical school and he sacrificed a few trips and nights out in order to spend the money on kitten care. Those kittens are really his in so many ways.
I now hope we don't find any more orphan bits or stray Smokeys because we are treating our clowder in style, but it'll be tight if we have a vet emergency.
I purr that these kittens will find good homes. Bast bless.
--Fil
polonca12000 - 30 Jun 2005 22:14 GMT I'm so very sorry to hear that. Lots of purrs and best wishes for momma and her kittens to find their onetruehomes with people who care,
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> The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago > for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > CatNipped
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