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It's not asthma, it's her heart
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Karen - 27 Jun 2005 22:09 GMT My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral insufficiency". He said it's not real bad but it is causing all the coughing and throwing up. Biggest thing is to lose weight. He feels g/d will be best. And since both she and Sugar are 8 it is OK for Sugar to be on it too. I'll find out tomorrow more about what medication she has to take. I'm just so depressed right now. It sucks to be my cats. I feel like I kill cats :( I certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead of the "months" end. :(
W. Leong - 27 Jun 2005 22:19 GMT Purrs to you and Pearl. The vet said it's not real bad and you should believe him. As our cats age, all kinds of health issues surface. It is part of aging, as in humans. Don't blame it on yourself. It is good you took Pearl to vet to get the diagnosis. Did the vet say what is the cause of it? I didn't know there is vet who specializes in cardiology. Peral will be in good hands. Please keep us posted.
Winnie
> My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. :( Dan M - 27 Jun 2005 22:20 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. :( Oh, no! We'll be sending our absolute best purrs and prayers for Pearl. We're keeping our fingers crossed that she has a good long time left with you.
CatNipped - 27 Jun 2005 22:28 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. :( Aw, Karen, don't feel like that. Think of all the millions of cats in the world who would love to have you as their meowmie. It's not anything you're doing that's causing any of this! It's just rotten luck for you (but *good* luck for Pearl that she has a meowmie who will take care of her now when she needs it!!).
Purrs coming that this is only a mild condition that can be easily handled with diet, exercise, and medication.
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Christina Websell - 27 Jun 2005 22:29 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. :( Please try not to worry too much, vain hope, I know - cos that's what we do. If it's any use to know, I kept a dog of mine on heart medication for years and when she eventually passed, it wasn't from heart problems. You do not kill cats, you just feel like that because you are so upset and you lost one just recently. All that is happening is that your cats are getting older, and just the same as people, health things start kicking in as we age. If you trust your vet I'm sure things will pan out. Really.
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Adrian - 27 Jun 2005 23:13 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in > for another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead of the "months" > end. :( Major purrs for Pearl, now they know what the problem is it can be treated. You certainly never killed a cat, you did everything you could for Grant.
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sriddles@aol.com - 27 Jun 2005 23:36 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. :( KAREN! <smack, smack> Don't say that. You're the most conscientious cat owner I know. You did everything possible for Grant, and you will for Pearl, too. An enlarged heart isn't a death sentence! Lots of people live a whole long time with that. Pearl will just need some extra care. Purrs that she responds *very well* to the treatment.
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Irulan - 27 Jun 2005 23:51 GMT aw, don't feel like any of it is your fault. Our kitties are our loves, but like everything else things happen. I'm sorry to hear Pearl is not well, but it doesn't sound as bad as it can be. We will purr and pray that she loses some weight and that it helps with her problem. Lily & her mama Jazz, RB
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> My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. :( Kreisleriana - 28 Jun 2005 00:02 GMT >My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for >another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead >of the "months" end. :( My poor Karen, you are having a lousy year, and of course you do NOT kill cats. Purring for good news.
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Howard C. Berkowitz - 28 Jun 2005 00:29 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > instead > of the "months" end. :( Was the heart enlargement diagnosed on X-ray or ultrasound? Ultrasound is superior on heart detail, beyond just size.
Blood comes into the heart on the right side, goes to the lungs, and is pumped out the left side. The mitral valve is on the left side, between the two left chambers. There's a nice site, at first scan, at http://www.lbah.com/heart/heartfindings.htm. This also has a discussion of bundle branch block, another recent question.
If that's the same syndrome as human mitral valve prolapse, it's more annoying than dangerous. In humans, it does cause distressing feelings of skipped beats and such, which people often can ignore once they know what it is. That's probably hard for a cat, but TLC will help.
If the cardiac vet said there was left ventricular hypertrophy, which is an enlarged heart due to difficulty in pumping, that could be due to resistance in the blood vessels into which the heart pumps. Such resistance can be due to overweight, or by "essential" hypertension. (essential means that we can't cite a specific cause, which is true of the majority of cases of human blood pressure).
I haven't seen that many vets other than a cardiologist take feline blood pressure -- he did it on the tail. I can think of some other ways to do it with ultrasound.
The key thing to remember about left ventricular hypertrophy is that it's reversible in many cases, such as my own. It may take tight control of blood pressure, weight reduction, or drugs that help the heart beat.
Karen - 28 Jun 2005 05:01 GMT >> My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for >> another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Was the heart enlargement diagnosed on X-ray or ultrasound? Ultrasound > is superior on heart detail, beyond just size. Ultrasound. He showed me how the little valve kind of bows back in. It's not huge but definite.
> Blood comes into the heart on the right side, goes to the lungs, and is > pumped out the left side. The mitral valve is on the left side, between [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of skipped beats and such, which people often can ignore once they know > what it is. That's probably hard for a cat, but TLC will help. He definitely just called it the mitral insufficiency and that the leaking back in which some how causes the enlargement. He didn't say anything about ventricular hypertrophy.
> If the cardiac vet said there was left ventricular hypertrophy, which is > an enlarged heart due to difficulty in pumping, that could be due to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > control of blood pressure, weight reduction, or drugs that help the > heart beat. He said it wasn't reversable but it was manageable. My regular vet called and tomorrow I go get and start her on lasix and a beta blocker (don't remember which one right now) and we will wean her down on the prednisone, but keep her on it since it has helped get rid of the cough. She may be on a small dose of that indefinitely but most of this is all "see how she does". Right now it will be one dose a day of the lasix and the other heart med. I hope it stays there. Of course, the main thing is diet management and try to get the extra weight off. Of course, it is a no guarantee situation. My vet has seen one case where the client opted to do nothing and the cat has lived years. She also said let's put the blood test for thyroid off a week to let Pearl recover, which I agree with because between yesterday and today she is VERY worn out and I am quite worried about how stressed she was. Plus it's so dang hot and my car does not cool down fast so just the trip between was tough. I guess I just need to do what I can and hope for the best. Besides the cough she hasn't really presented any other symptoms. I really hope she likes the g/d and we can get her to lose weight. Since she isn't a really picky eater, there is at least a chance of that. Also, we can try the other brands like Waltham and IVD if she doesn't like the science diet. They seem most worried about the salt content. She did say that I can grind all these into a fine powder and mix it into a little a/d. I think that will work. She is gagging a bit with the pill wrapped in a/d, but she is eating it. So I think powderized might go down without trouble mixed in that for a little treat. I'm just feeling like she is going to drop over any minute which is probably irrational. Asthma just seemed like a more manageable ailment than this. And not really as scary. There was stuff you could DO to help. This seems so, well, less definite in proportion to what you can do to what will reallly happen. Probably desceptive but there you go. That's how I feel. I sure hope it isn't caused by thyroid. I just don't know how many medications I can get down her, nor am I at all ready for multiple problems to balance when the one seems so huge. I'm so depressed.
W. Leong - 28 Jun 2005 15:16 GMT > He said it wasn't reversable but it was manageable. My regular vet called > and tomorrow I go get and start her on lasix and a beta blocker (don't [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > problems > to balance when the one seems so huge. I'm so depressed. Karen, I understand your feeling depressed. I lost count of how many time I got depressed over Rusty's various health problems. Go ahead and have a good cry to let it all out. Then you have to concentrate on efforts to keep Pearl healthy.
G/D is not bad. Rusty ate it with no problem when the vet thought he has renal insufficiency. But he developed crystals again while on it and so we switched back to a prescription diet for urinary problems. Twice the vet thought Rusty has a thyroid problem. He has all the typical signs - always asking for food while losing weight. But blood tests both times showed his thyroid is fine. Now his weight has stablized and he just eats what he gives him.
So don't lose hope and just follows the vet's instructions. Try not to worry ( I know it is hard as I am a worrior especially when it concerns Rusty) and think positive thoughts.
Purrs coming from Rusty the senior cat
Winnie
Karen - 28 Jun 2005 16:00 GMT >> He said it wasn't reversable but it was manageable. My regular vet called >> and tomorrow I go get and start her on lasix and a beta blocker (don't [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > Winnie It is the fact that Pearl has only gained and not lost gives me hope there
:) Poor girl. The last thing she needs is the prednisone to give her an appetite! I sure wish she could talk so I could know how she feels. She *seems* ok. Now I go to get the new meds. I don't want to give them to her and not be around in case she has some kind of a reaction. I just wish I knew how bad or not bad this really is but that is one thing I guess no one can tell.
Steve Touchstone - 29 Jun 2005 06:30 GMT >It is the fact that Pearl has only gained and not lost gives me hope there >:) Poor girl. The last thing she needs is the prednisone to give her an [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >knew how bad or not bad this really is but that is one thing I guess no one >can tell. Purrs on the way (sorry they're late- way behind as usual and must have missed the first post).
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Susan M - 28 Jun 2005 16:05 GMT Oh Karen - hang in there. We're all sending you and Pearl our support and you might even be surprised at how well her condition can be managed. Please keep us updated.
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>>> My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in >>> for [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > problems > to balance when the one seems so huge. I'm so depressed. glsummer@neptunelink.com - 28 Jun 2005 17:30 GMT >>> My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for >>> another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] >medications I can get down her, nor am I at all ready for multiple problems >to balance when the one seems so huge. I'm so depressed. Hang in there, Karen. Both Cosmo and Internet have been diagnosed with heart problems (Cosmo with a murmur, Internet with a slightly enlarged heart). Cosmo is on Lasix, and Internet on Prednisolone. Both were diagnosed years ago, and are still with us. I know hearing "heart problem" makes you stop and take in a deep, sharp breath and feel like the room is spinning. But heart problems can be manageable, too, and many cats live many years with them. Purrs that this will be the case for Pearl.
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Karen - 28 Jun 2005 19:39 GMT > Hang in there, Karen. Both Cosmo and Internet have been diagnosed > with heart problems (Cosmo with a murmur, Internet with a slightly [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ginger-lyn That's good to hear. She will be on pred (at least for now), lasix and enalipril. At least food is not an issue. She really, really wanted some food at lunch so I opened a can of g/d. She seemed to like it quite well!
Marina - 29 Jun 2005 04:03 GMT > He said it wasn't reversable but it was manageable. My regular vet called > and tomorrow I go get and start her on lasix and a beta blocker (don't [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > medications I can get down her, nor am I at all ready for multiple problems > to balance when the one seems so huge. I'm so depressed. ((((((Karen)))))) I know exactly how you feel. I can't count the times I've felt completely helpless with Frank's and Nikki's problems. Especially on those days when they refused to take their meds, hiding under the bed, and I would crawl on the floor crying because I wanted to make sure they were alright but they didn't want my help, thankyouverymuch. It still happens with Frank if he sees me preparing the syringe to squirt the meds in his mouth. He hides under the bed and will stay there for *hours*. This is why I prefer mixing his meds in his food (and why it might not be such a bad thing that Mir-mir doesn't eat catfood). We will purr for you to have strength and for Pearl to feel well for many years to come. And to lose weight. ;o)
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Karen - 29 Jun 2005 04:51 GMT > ((((((Karen)))))) I know exactly how you feel. I can't count the times > I've felt completely helpless with Frank's and Nikki's problems. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > catfood). We will purr for you to have strength and for Pearl to feel > well for many years to come. And to lose weight. ;o) Boy is that going to be hard. She is worse now on the pred! I hope we can wean her off of that particular med. I gave her her first of the other meds tonight. Found the greatest pestle and morter. She chomped her food right down even with those mixed in.
The bad thing is she has diahhrea (or however the heck you spell it). She ocassionally gets it anyway, but she was very uncomforable for a while this evening after getting the meds. (But it wasn't from them. SHe had it earlier. Though maybe from the pred? ) She seems much better now. But dang, every time I get up she wants food. I keep eeking it out so it seems like more. I did give her a little of the wet g/d and she liked it. However, twice when I have given her just a few of the dry g/d she threw up. I'm almost wondering if her gas and ocassional diahrrea are from dry food. It's hard to eliminate completely because that is what Sugar eats. Well, I guess we shall see what is what eventually.
W. Leong - 29 Jun 2005 05:13 GMT > Boy is that going to be hard. She is worse now on the pred! I hope we can > wean her off of that particular med. I gave her her first of the other [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > guess > we shall see what is what eventually. Karen, check if there are any difference in the ingredients of the G/D canned and dry. I am thinking of adding I/D dry to Rusty's I/D canned. But when I read the ingredients, there are big differences and so I decided not to use I/D dry. Rusty is very sensitive to some ingredients I am not sure what. He got diarrhea on 2 different types of food, one is a prescription food he had eaten for almost 2 years. The diarrhea stops as soon as we switched food. That's how he ended with I/D instead of a prescription food for urinary problems. We suspect there was a change of formula when his last prescription food was sold to another company. That was about the same time his diarrhea started and he pooped outside his box. In Pearl's case, it may also due to the sudden change of food. Did you mix some of her old food with G/D dry?
Winnie
Marina - 29 Jun 2005 05:38 GMT > Boy is that going to be hard. She is worse now on the pred! I hope we can > wean her off of that particular med. I gave her her first of the other meds [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > hard to eliminate completely because that is what Sugar eats. Well, I guess > we shall see what is what eventually. Frank can only eat one kind of dry food, and I only give him a few pieces in the evening as a treat. It's a ritual we've had for ages. Nikki was crazy about dry food, and I'd thought the evening treat was more important for her, but since she died, Frank seems to have become more into this ritual. Anyway, all other dry foods give him gas and the runs and often make him throw up, too. I suspect he's allergic to one or several kinds of grain. Miranda sniffs the pieces of dry food each evening, but doesn't recognize it as food. I give her her supplement pills in the evening. Luckily she views them as treats.
I'm rambling, what I wanted to say was, I hope Pearl can come off the pred soon. Nikki kept gaining weight steadily while she was on prednisone. I think a lot of that was fluid retention, though. Maybe the lasix will take care of that.
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Howard C. Berkowitz - 29 Jun 2005 17:39 GMT > > ((((((Karen)))))) I know exactly how you feel. I can't count the times > > I've felt completely helpless with Frank's and Nikki's problems. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > guess > we shall see what is what eventually. Since prednisone causes water retention, it might very well cause more water to be in the intestines, and dilute things so there is diarrhea. That's not considered a common side effect, but it's certainly possible.
Corticosteroids like prednisone are extremely valuable drugs, but they can produce almost ANYTHING as a side effect.
CATherine - 30 Jun 2005 05:09 GMT >> ((((((Karen)))))) > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >hard to eliminate completely because that is what Sugar eats. Well, I guess >we shall see what is what eventually. We are sending purrs and prayers for the new meds to settle in to working well. It would be so great if the meds curbed her appetite. I thought Sheba's appetite would be curbed with the proper food and insulin; but she still acts like she is starving. Now I think it is a conditioned response. I hope that is not the case with Pearl.
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Jo Firey - 28 Jun 2005 00:39 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. :( I don't know if its the same thing at all, but our tiny poodle had heart problems for years and years. She had a pill every day to make her heart beat stronger and another to stop fluid build-up. I was about panicked when she was diagnosed, but she did very well with proper medication. Our biggest problem was she had to go out constantly - water pills. Wish she could have used a litter box. I really felt bad that the best way to judge her condition was to listen to her breathing and to her coughing. And I couldn't hear either one.
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Howard C. Berkowitz - 28 Jun 2005 02:45 GMT > > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in > > for [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > her condition was to listen to her breathing and to her coughing. And I > couldn't hear either one. Well, I can't say if it's the same thing as what Pearl has, but it certainly sounds like congestive heart failure.
A brief digression. The efficiency of the heart depends on three things: "preload", or the resistance to getting blood back into the heart, heart rate and stroke volume: how often the heart beats efficiently and how much blood moves with each beat "afterload", or resistance by the outgoing blood vessels to blood being pumped into them.
In heart failure, which doesn't mean the heart has totally failed, we try to improve the overall efficiency. "Water pills", or diuretics like furosemide (Lasix) get rid of excess fluid that would otherwise have to go through the heart -- in other words, preload reduction.
The next major category of drug, and the second of two in traditional (pre-1990 or so) therapy was a drug that strengthened the actual heart muscular pumping. Technically called positive inotropic agents, the most typical drug in this class is digoxin, a synthetic derivative of digitalis, which is one of the oldest effective herbals -- it comes from the foxglove plant. We synthesize it so we don't have the variation in strength from leaf to leaf -- digitalis alkaloids are extremely valuable drugs, but unless very carefully dosed can turn toxic.
You'll notice I didn't speak of a specific method of reducing afterload. Weight reduction is one potential area, but, in general, this means reducing blood pressure. Some diuretics (e.g., thiazides) help with high blood pressure, but they are not the ones that cause the most fluid loss.
In humans, one of the major advances in treating heart failure is somewhat counterintuitive: giving a class of drugs called beta-blockers. The counterintuitive part is that they may reduce the pumping activity of the heart, but the good part is they relax the blood vessels, decreasing afterload. They are also effective for lowering blood pressure.
Basic therapy, then, in addition to weight loss and careful exercise, is founded on individual drugs or combinations. There are others that may be added to these three classes. Luckily, given the challenge of pilling, at least for humans, there are combination pills that contain at least two of these drugs.
Drug therapy can reverse heart failure if used early enough in the process. I was heading for heart failure when the drug therapy became much more aggressive, because I had stopped trying to argue directly with my then-HMO, and got myself into a long-term cardiac research program at the National Institutes of Health Clinical Center: an institution whose findings are not something with which an HMO doc will argue. I went from a pumping measurement (ejection fraction) of 35-40%, on the border of heart failure, back to 65% (start of conditioned athlete) in about 5 years. In that time, my heart not only shrunk back from the enlargement, but did an "auto-bypass", in which normally microscopic vessels enlarged to carry blood where it was needed -- and my bypass had blocked up.
The good news here is that these drug therapies should be effective in four-legged people. The combinations are important; my beloved dog of the fifties only had digoxin available. Still, he lived several years after first being given a death sentence for kidney failue, dying of heart disease at 9 -- reasonably old for a dog of the time.
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 28 Jun 2005 02:57 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. :( Oh nooooooo!!! Karen, I hope Ms. Pearl gives you extra purrs and meowmies to you tonight to convince you that this is just a little set back. She'll continue to live on, Karen. Just have faith and do what TED says.
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Yowie - 28 Jun 2005 02:58 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. :( Bummer. Purrs for Pearl t hat the weight loss eases the problem, and she lives a happy and contented life full of love and care, however long that life may be.
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Victor Martinez - 28 Jun 2005 03:37 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral > insufficiency". He said it's not real bad but it is causing all the coughing Lots of purrs.
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Marina - 28 Jun 2005 04:54 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. :( Aww, Karen, you know it's not true. You take the best care you can of your cats. No way is this kind of thing, or Grant, your fault. Purrs for Pearl to live many many years in spite of her condition. Soothing purrs on the way to you, too.
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badwilson - 28 Jun 2005 05:32 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in > for another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has
> "mitral insufficiency". He said it's not real bad but it is causing > all the coughing and throwing up. Biggest thing is to lose weight. He
> feels g/d will be best. And since both she and Sugar are 8 it is OK > for Sugar to be on it too. I'll find out tomorrow more about what > medication she has to take. I'm just so depressed right now. It sucks
> to be my cats. I feel like I kill cats :( I certainly hope she is on
> the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead of the "months" > end. :( You do not kill cats! Don't even think that. Pearl will be fine with some maintenance. These things just happen. Hugs and purrs, -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Melissa Houle - 28 Jun 2005 07:34 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. Ack, I'm sorry, Karen. However, I hope the Vet will be able to help Pearl and that she'll be with you for a long time yet. Talking cats would be pretty scary, but sometimes, I wish they COULD talk to tell us "Gee, I'm not feeling so great, and my age is catching up to me. These are my symptoms, do you think I need to go to the Smelly Office and the guy in the white coat?.."
No, of course, you don't kill cats!
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Helen Miles - 28 Jun 2005 16:23 GMT > My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. :( Karen, HRFL Tiger has hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and tricuspid valve dysplasia, as well as a 3/6 heart murmer, and he's been muddling on for years as well as flying all over the place. ;o) He's also allowed ouside sometimes... He was given 6 months, 4 years ago and appears fine.
As long as you don't let Pearl get unduly stressed, get regular check-ups and ultra-sounds and find a good cardiologist specialist, who is up-to-date, then there is no reason that Pearl can't have a long and healthy (ish) life.
Hugs and purrs and prayers that this is resolved with a good outcome.
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Karen - 28 Jun 2005 17:23 GMT >> My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for >> another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Helen M Does HRFL take meds?
Helen Miles - 28 Jun 2005 17:29 GMT > Does HRFL take meds? Not at the moment - he's monitored by ultrasound every 4 months. Depending on his next ultrasound in Septmeber, we may or may not put him on to Fortekor. He's had only minor heart ultrasound changes in the last few years, but now they *are* starting to change. :o(
A great resource is also the feline-heart yahoo group - they are a great and very knowledgeable bunch.
Hang in there
Helen M
Karen - 28 Jun 2005 19:40 GMT >> Does HRFL take meds? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Helen M Thank you. I will check it out.
Steve Touchstone - 29 Jun 2005 06:30 GMT >>> Does HRFL take meds? >> >> Not at the moment - he's monitored by ultrasound every 4 months. >> Depending on his next ultrasound in Septmeber, we may or may not put him >> on to Fortekor. He's had only minor heart ultrasound changes in the last >> few years, but now they *are* starting to change. :o( Purrs for HRFL's condition
Sounds like what we're doing with Sammy's heart murmur - checking every four months. So far she hasn't needed any meds. In fact since that first episode, when she was so lethargic and un-Sammy like, Sam hasn't displayed any symptoms. In fact the only change in her behaivor is that she's no longer happy when I put on her collar and get out the carrier - used to mean a fun truck ride, now as often as not it's a trip to TED.
>> A great resource is also the feline-heart yahoo group - they are a great >> and very knowledgeable bunch. Thank for pointing Karen at this group - I'm going to check it out as well
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polonca12000 - 30 Jun 2005 17:31 GMT You are doing your very best for your kitties, Karen. Lots of purrs and best wishes for Pearl and hugs for you. You are a great meowmie, Karen,
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> My vet thought the heart looked enlarged. The heart vet was coming in for > another cat this after noon so I went home and got Pearl. She has "mitral [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > certainly hope she is on the "year" end of the 'cats can live for' instead > of the "months" end. :(
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