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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / July 2005Sorry Dan M.
Sorry Dan, when I saw Phillip's response to your post in rpch+b I blew my top and used language that would shock my mom! You are the one who is helping to clean up the mess *HE* made by turning Conan back into a kill shelter just because he didn't want to pay $200 for lab tests for the little fellow and he has the nerve to bait you about picking up Conan *now* of all times when you are battling to save your own little girl's life and facing thousands of dollars in vet bills to do it - well, it just made my blood boil. Hugs, CatNipped > Sorry Dan, when I saw Phillip's response to your post in rpch+b I blew my > top and used language that would shock my mom! Yup, you flipped a little, but you only said what I would guess 99.9% of us are thinking. ;o) > You are the one who is > helping to clean up the mess *HE* made by turning Conan back into a kill [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thousands of dollars in vet bills to do it - well, it just made my blood > boil. I must admit, my eyebrows did raise a little when I read Conans story, poor kitty. I think what sickened me, was the fact he *swapped* Conan for a new kitten. The fact that a cat is a sentient being and a *life* that he just felt able to throw away sickened me. I'm just saying a prayer for all the "unlucky ones". :o( Helen M > > Sorry Dan, when I saw Phillip's response to your post in rpch+b I blew my > > top and used language that would shock my mom! > > Yup, you flipped a little, but you only said what I would guess 99.9% of > us are thinking. ;o) Yeah, sorry - if my mom were here I'd be foaming at the mouth right now and tasting soap for the next week! ;> > > You are the one who is > > helping to clean up the mess *HE* made by turning Conan back into a kill [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Helen M His own words were "exchanged him for a new kitten"! Conan wasn't even that sick, he just had a URI (I don't think I've ever seen a kitten from a shelter that didn't have "kennel cough"! Many what a jerk! And I *KNOW* he's doing all that just to bait people, but when he said that to Dan I swear I would have slapped him if he had been standing in front of me just then! <trying to calm down> Hugs, CatNipped > Sorry Dan, when I saw Phillip's response to your post in rpch+b I blew my > top and used language that would shock my mom! You are the one who is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > CatNipped Please leave it in health+behav. Or, Dan has a working e-mail and he always checks it AFAIK. This is just what we were talking about. Dragging the nastiness over here. Don't take this wrong, CN, I'm not attacking you personally. I hate to see the Conan/Phillip thing start up all over again. It was bad enough reading it the first time. Sherry > > Sorry Dan, when I saw Phillip's response to your post in rpch+b I blew my > > top and used language that would shock my mom! You are the one who is [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Sherry I'm sorry, that's not what I meant to do - I just wanted to apologize to Dan for what happened to him over there over, *here* when Dan usually posts and (thank gawd) Phillip doesn't! I *definitely* don't want to drag any flames over here - I didn't crosspost this - and just wanted to let Dan know that his efforts with Conan are appreciated. This wasn't meant in any way to start controversy over here, just the opposite in fact. Hugs, CatNipped I have never been to rpch+b before, and I may never go again. All I can say is: Nox got a hernia from her botched spay. We could've traded her in for another cat, no problems, or we could take her to another vet and cough up for surgery hoping it would save her. I think everyone here is clear on which one we chose, and why. Dan--please tell us how it goes. I would love to hear about Conan /here/, away from his unpleasant past, away from his history with people on other groups, and focus on his present. --Fil > I have never been to rpch+b before, and I may never go again. I still never have gone. I've never read a post here that had anything good to say about what goes on over there. I'm sure there are some fine folks, maybe lots of the ones from here, but I've never seen anyone post "hey, you need to go read this great thread in rpch+b!" Quite the opposite. >> I have never been to rpch+b before, and I may never go again. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you > need to go read this great thread in rpch+b!" Quite the opposite. Actually, some of the people who post here are the very ones who like to create flames in rpch+b. In fact, they will sometimes refer to the idea that it is not acceptable to post that type of language and flame wars in anecdotes, but they seem to think that it is somehow alright to perpetuate it in rpch+b. I am very disappointed in that attitude. Health+behav used to be an extremely useful newsgroup, and sometimes it still is -- but, in my opinion, much of its usefulness has been ruined by people who seem to enjoy engaging in flame wars just to see their nastiness in print; they deliberately post malicious messages just to bait others to respond in kind. This is really a shame because some of them have excellent knowledge of cats, and they could share that knowledge with others. Instead, they are driving others away. MaryL > >> I have never been to rpch+b before, and I may never go again. > >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > cats, and they could share that knowledge with others. Instead, they are > driving others away. Will you please leave Lori alone? How backhanded and disgusting of you. >> >> I have never been to rpch+b before, and I may never go again. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Will you please leave Lori alone? How backhanded and disgusting of you. Any how interesting that *you* immediately pointed to Lori. MaryL > >> >> I have never been to rpch+b before, and I may never go again. > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Any how interesting that *you* immediately pointed to Lori. You are merely mouthing what you saw Sherry post in rph+b about Lori. How could anyone miss it? Bullying is unbecoming to you. But of course you know that. >> >> >> I have never been to rpch+b before, and I may never go again. >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Lori. How could anyone miss it? Bullying is unbecoming to you. But > of course you know that. I will make this my last message because I really am not trying to start another flame war in this group. I did not mention Lori or anyone else; I referred to "some" people. And, no, I did not pick up any information from Sherry. I was alluding to a concern that I have had for quite some time -- that is, that health+behav once was a newsgroup where we could go to to get help with cats, but it has degenerated into a series of flame wars that is threatening to overwhelm any helpfulness offered by the group (something that has admittedly happened in the past, as this seems to go in cycles). I have also been aware for a long time of the irony of people posting in anecdotes in a "friendly" manner and then posting in rpch+b in the most unpleasant way possible. I truly do think this is unfortunate because there are so many people on that group who could share information with others -- and there are also so many who could learn but who have simply become completely disgusted with the vitriolic displays of ill will. The Conan thread that you have been active in is an example of how that group can come together as a positive force, and I would like to see more emphasis on that type of action. MaryL > >> >> >> I have never been to rpch+b before, and I may never go again. > >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > another flame war in this group. I did not mention Lori or anyone else; I > referred to "some" people. Right, MaryL. It is fine to snipe at people in this petty way, as long as you do not name them. Ugh. And, no, I did not pick up any information from > Sherry. I was alluding to a concern that I have had for quite some time -- > that is, that health+behav once was a newsgroup where we could go to to get > help with cats, but it has degenerated into a series of flame wars that is > threatening to overwhelm any helpfulness offered by the group (something > that has admittedly happened in the past, as this seems to go in cycles). Well, perhaps this concern is best expressed in H+B. The nice people here have requested that you leave what happens there in that group, right? I > have also been aware for a long time of the irony of people posting in > anecdotes in a "friendly" manner and then posting in rpch+b in the most > unpleasant way possible. Really?! You are so ingeniously subtle, I am afraid I cannot get what it is you are referring to. When in Rome, you know ... may explain it. lol! I truly do think this is unfortunate because there > are so many people on that group who could share information with others -- > and there are also so many who could learn but who have simply become > completely disgusted with the vitriolic displays of ill will. The Conan > thread that you have been active in is an example of how that group can come > together as a positive force, and I would like to see more emphasis on that > type of action. I am so glad you told me this. I, like so many others, are very concerned with delivering what you would like to see. Thanks so much. Our dinner tonight was marinated hard, fried tofu (beancurd) with straw mushrooms and lots of stirfried veggies over egg noodles. It was surprisingly bland, considering all the flavours that had gone into the tofu marinade and the stirfry sauce. Still, very tasty indeed and a good warming things for a wintery night (it's the depths of winter here in the southern hemisphere) Tish [snipped snippiness] > Our dinner tonight was marinated hard, fried tofu (beancurd) with > straw mushrooms and lots of stirfried veggies over egg noodles. It [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > [snipped snippiness] Last night I got some very lean pork fillet. I marinated it in a mixture of olive oil, gfarlic, chives and onion. I then sauteed it in a non-stick pan so no extra oil needed. Devoured with some Jersey Royal new potaotes (yum), lashings of green salad and baby plum tomatoes. Delicious. Cheers, helen s >> Our dinner tonight was marinated hard, fried tofu (beancurd) with >> straw mushrooms and lots of stirfried veggies over egg noodles. It [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > new potaotes (yum), lashings of green salad and baby plum tomatoes. > Delicious. A salad with carrots, cucumbers and grape tomatoes with a gingery vinegrette and beef satay skewers. The beef was pre-marinated and lovely tasting, but more because it was a good beef, not because it was a good marinade. bisky (new here but liking rpca better than rpch&b where I started) >>> Our dinner tonight was marinated hard, fried tofu (beancurd) with >>> straw mushrooms and lots of stirfried veggies over egg noodles. It [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > bisky (new here but liking rpca better than rpch&b where I started) What are grape tomatoes? Can you provide the recipe of giner vinegrette? I love vinegrette. Thanks! Winnie > >>> Our dinner tonight was marinated hard, fried tofu (beancurd) with > >>> straw mushrooms and lots of stirfried veggies over egg noodles. > >>> Tish > >>> [snipped snippiness] > >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Winnie Grape tomatoes are like cherry tomatoes but even smaller! Jill >What are grape tomatoes? Small tomatoes, about the size and shape of grapes.  SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > >What are grape tomatoes? > > Small tomatoes, about the size and shape of grapes. The ones I have had are not nearly as good as Roma for sweetness and redness. But then again, in-season rich red ripe NC garden tomatoes beat Romas! I eat them sliced with just a bit of salt and pepper and the tiniest dab of homemade mayo. Okay, it's a dollop. :) I love summer. > >What are grape tomatoes? > > Small tomatoes, about the size and shape of grapes. Some demented plant scientist may create grape-flavored large tomatoes in retaliation. > > >What are grape tomatoes? > > > > Small tomatoes, about the size and shape of grapes. > > Some demented plant scientist may create grape-flavored large tomatoes > in retaliation. lol! This sounds really good to me, especially if it is white and seedless. Mmmm! > What are grape tomatoes? > Can you provide the recipe of giner vinegrette? I love vinegrette. > Thanks! > > Winnie Typo - should be plum tomoatoes - the little red ones that are plum shaped :-) Cheers, helen s > > What are grape tomatoes? > > Can you provide the recipe of giner vinegrette? I love vinegrette. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cheers, helen s Those are Romas! Hi! Welcome Bisky. Please settle in, relax and tell us about your cats, dogs and others. Tish, with Ted (queen of all she surveys), Persephone and Spock and d*gs Fox and Kendra. >A salad with carrots, cucumbers and grape tomatoes with a gingery >vinegrette and beef satay skewers. The beef was pre-marinated and >lovely tasting, but more because it was a good beef, not because it was >a good marinade. > >bisky (new here but liking rpca better than rpch&b where I started) > >> Our dinner tonight was marinated hard, fried tofu (beancurd) with > >> straw mushrooms and lots of stirfried veggies over egg noodles. It [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > lovely tasting, but more because it was a good beef, not because it was > a good marinade. Got home to find Joel had cooked dinner, bless his heart. It was pretty simple, savoury mince & rice, but it was warm, filling and deligious. I don't know what he does different tome when he cooks, but he always makes things *so* much better than I can, even when we do things exactlyt he same way (or at least, I *think* I"m doing it exactly te same way) Yowie >>>> Our dinner tonight was marinated hard, fried tofu (beancurd) with >>>> straw mushrooms and lots of stirfried veggies over egg noodles. It [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Yowie It just tastes better because someone else made it. -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > don't know what he does different tome when he cooks, but he always makes > things *so* much better than I can, even when we do things exactlyt he same > way (or at least, I *think* I"m doing it exactly te same way) You are probably doing it the same way. My mom and both grandmothers insisted that some people just oozed cooking out of their pores. One grandma could bake wonderful pies, cakes, cookies, etc., but couldn't season food to save her life. She tried, bless her heart, but she just didn't have the knack. Nor do most of her daughters. The other grandma could cook wonderful savory stuff, but baking was totally beyond her capabilities. Dad inherited that from her. He was a great cook until he got sick. Practice also helps. I can do both but only if I'm in the mood. Other wise who knows how it will turn out. It is usually passable, but nothing spectacular, unless I'm in the mood. Then it is very good. Diane > You are probably doing it the same way. My mom and both grandmothers > insisted that some people just oozed cooking out of their pores. <nod, nod> My Mum bakes this delicious sticky chocolate cake. My SIL has tried, and I have tried, and my sisters have tried, but none of us can make it quite as delicious as my Mum, though we use the exact same recipe. And it's a very simple one, too. SignatureMarina, Frank and Miranda. In loving memory of Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki >> You are probably doing it the same way. My mom and both grandmothers >> insisted that some people just oozed cooking out of their pores. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > make it quite as delicious as my Mum, though we use the exact same recipe. > And it's a very simple one, too. Have you ever really watched your mom make the cake? I'm guessing that for one reason or another she doesn't follow the recipe exactly. I don't know if anyone still does it, but it used to be fairly common for some folks to not give an accurate recipe when asked to share. But I'm guessing that you mom alters the cake mixture or baking as a habit and doesn't even think about it. Jo > Have you ever really watched your mom make the cake? I'm guessing that for > one reason or another she doesn't follow the recipe exactly. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But I'm guessing that you mom alters the cake mixture or baking as a habit > and doesn't even think about it. It's very possible. She is known in the family for being creative in the kitchen. SignatureMarina, Frank and Miranda. In loving memory of Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > > Our dinner tonight was marinated hard, fried tofu (beancurd) with > > straw mushrooms and lots of stirfried veggies over egg noodles. It [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Cheers, helen s Much more my speed. Bean curd. Ugh. :) > > > Our dinner tonight was marinated hard, fried tofu (beancurd) with > > > straw mushrooms and lots of stirfried veggies over egg noodles. It [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Much more my speed. Bean curd. Ugh. :) Ooh, I love bean curd. Especially the fried stuff when its floating in laksa :-) Yowie > > Much more my speed. Bean curd. Ugh. :) > > Ooh, I love bean curd. Especially the fried stuff when its floating in laksa > :-) What, pray tell, is laksa? > > > Much more my speed. Bean curd. Ugh. :) > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What, pray tell, is laksa? Malaysian soup. Its obviously a relation to Thai Red Curry, as it has similar sorts of flavours (ie, coconut milk, chilli, coriander, lemongrass, star anise etc etc) and has rice noodles. Other than that, its similar to any Asian soup, you can add what you like to go with it, such as fish balls, chicken, prawns, spring onions, etc etc. But every laksa I"ve had has had the fried bean curd (tofu) which seems to serve the same purpose as croutons in European soups - they suck up the flavour of the soup and add an interesting texture with a very subtle flavour. I *love* laksa. South East Asian food is very popular here in Australia. Yowie > > > > Much more my speed. Bean curd. Ugh. :) > > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Yowie Well I have to say that it appears I have never met Bean Curd properly prepared. I love Thai food. Next time out at a Thai place I will see if I can get some fried bean curd with laska! Thanks for the excellent description. Our dinner tonight was marinated hard, fried tofu (beancurd) with straw mushrooms and lots of stirfried veggies over egg noodles. It was surprisingly bland, considering all the flavours that had gone into the tofu marinade and the stirfry sauce. Still, very tasty indeed and a good warming things for a wintery night (it's the depths of winter here in the southern hemisphere) Tish =============================================== What was in the marinade? Joanne & I had Chinese take-out Friday. I had Cashew Chicken with Chicken Teriaki. Their Cashew chicken is loaded with sweet bell peppers, carrots and other assorted yummies. I ususlly get three servings out of one order at 7.00 usd thats a good deal. Suz&Spicey > Our dinner tonight was marinated hard, fried tofu (beancurd) with > straw mushrooms and lots of stirfried veggies over egg noodles. It [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tish Plain ole hamburger helper here. Italian flavor sauce with ziti. And made it with Italian sausage rather than hamburger. Also added a can of sliced olives and quite a bit of Munster cheese when it was done. I was just too tired from out trip and attempts to clean up the house and unpack to cook. But it was quite good. Now I have to deal with a large box of ripe peaches my daughters future mother-in-law brought us yesterday. Jo > "Tish Silberbauer" <tsilberb@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > Now I have to deal with a large box of ripe peaches my daughters future > mother-in-law brought us yesterday. > > Jo Oh, wow. I wish I had to deal with them. I love to can peaches. Our peaches are way far from being ripe right now. Sherry >> "Tish Silberbauer" <tsilberb@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sherry I wish you did too. They are extremely good but we always get lots of peaches so they aren't the treat they should be. Some have been packed off to the neighbors, some will go into a cobbler. I'll probably cook and freeze filling for another cobbler. Then I need to figure out if I can freeze the rest just with fruit fresh and Splenda. Note: Even good peaches can be lacking in flavor when cooked. I've taken to adding a bit of peach schnapps to my cobblers. I always top cobblers with a biscuit type topping. I used to use the shortcake recipe on the Bisquick box and drop the mixture on top of hot fruit filling in spoonfuls and bake till golden. Now I just add melted butter and Splenda to the drop biscuit recipe. And cinnamon. If I want a more cake like topping, I add a little extra milk and a beaten egg. Then I sprinkle a bit of Splenda on the top after its baked. Hmmm. Peach Ice cream would be good right about now too. Jo > Oh, wow. I wish I had to deal with them. I love to can peaches. Our > peaches are way far from being ripe right now. Me too. Our peaches were all eaten by bugs and racoons. :( SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com I made a mexican meatloaf (or is that metalloid???). Ground beef (the lowest fat possible), oats, salsa, jalapenos, 2 eggs, parmesan cheese, can of kidney beans (can't get black beans here). Mix together put in pyrex dish, bake in oven (or in my case in the BBQ since my oven hasn't worked in 4 years). Yum! And I made Victor's watermelon margaritas, very, very delicious! -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album >> >> >> >> I have never been to rpch+b before, and I may never go again. >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > I am so glad you told me this. I, like so many others, are very concerned > with delivering what you would like to see. Thanks so much. Not only her, but others too. You lost that round. Everybody, please - let's not descend to the h+b levels of sniping. I know that some amount of disagreement and temper is going to occur in any group, but we've recently been seeing a lot more of that in here. This is a tight, supportive, loving group and we don't need that. We REALLY don't need that. There are issues currently active in which people (including me!) need support, and having all this fighting going on makes it harder to do that. Might I request that issues of this sort be moved to another group? Preferably not h+b; there is useful information discussed there as well. Perhaps one of the alt. groups, since it's easy to create new groups in the alt domain when necessary. Dan > Everybody, please - let's not descend to the h+b levels of sniping. I > know that some amount of disagreement and temper is going to occur in > any group, but we've recently been seeing a lot more of that in here. Hear hear! > Might I request that issues of this sort be moved to another group? > Preferably not h+b; there is useful information discussed there as well. > Perhaps one of the alt. groups, since it's easy to create new groups in > the alt domain when necessary. > > Dan Is there a group called alt.personal.sniping? ;) Should there be? LOL Jill > > Everybody, please - let's not descend to the h+b levels of sniping. I > > know that some amount of disagreement and temper is going to occur in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Is there a group called alt.personal.sniping? ;) Should there be? LOL Or: alt.spill.it.here.so.you.don't.get.any.on.us? > >> >> >> >> I have never been to rpch+b before, and I may never go again. > >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] > > Not only her, but others too. You lost that round. There's not a competition on. My point was that MaryL.'s comments are as nasty and petty and disruptive as anything of the worst things we see here. Therefore she is contributing to that which she is allegedly deploring. It's called hypocrisy. Many people here like Catnipped, and appreciate her straightforwardness and kind heart. > >> I have never been to rpch+b before, and I may never go again. > >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > MaryL AFAIK, there are no veterinary medicine groups in the sci. hierarchy, and, frankly, I have generally given up on the sci.medical subhierarchy as containing too little content and too many claims for quack cures and flame wars. Parts of the comp. hierarchy are still usable, but frankly, in both medicine and computer science, I rely on mailing lists. Does anyone know of professional-level mailing lists in veterinary, or preferably feline veterinary, medicine? There is the group alt.med.veterinary. >> >> I have never been to rpch+b before, and I may never go again. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Does anyone know of professional-level mailing lists in veterinary, or > preferably feline veterinary, medicine? > Dan--please tell us how it goes. I would love to hear about Conan > /here/, away from his unpleasant past, away from his history with > people on other groups, and focus on his present. > > --Fil I'll be glad to. I'm quite proficient at filtering through a lot of cr*p posts to find the good stuff, so I'll pass along the filtered info. Dan > > Dan--please tell us how it goes. I would love to hear about Conan > > /here/, away from his unpleasant past, away from his history with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dan I hope Conan will find a forever home, and a better one than he temporarily had with that heartless excuse for a human being who would "exchange" him for another kitten. Good for you Dan, for trying to find a way to help Conan, even in the midst of your worry over Harri. Francesca also had a URI when I took her home for the first time, and it was serious enough to keep her from getting spayed since the humane society vet judged she couldn't be safely anesthetized. Fortunately, for darling Nina's sake! =o) But I took Francesca anyway as I knew she'd get better faster away from all the other coughing sneezing kitties at the Humane Society. Never in a thousand years would I have dreamed of giving her back just because of that! Melissa > > > Dan--please tell us how it goes. I would love to hear about Conan > > > /here/, away from his unpleasant past, away from his history with [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > coughing sneezing kitties at the Humane Society. Never in a thousand years > would I have dreamed of giving her back just because of that! In all my years of reading these groups I have never seen anything like the callousness of the man you adopted Conan and then abandoned him. > I'm sorry, that's not what I meant to do - I just wanted to apologize to Dan > for what happened to him over there over, *here* when Dan usually posts and > (thank gawd) Phillip doesn't! I *definitely* don't want to drag any flames > over here - I didn't crosspost this - and just wanted to let Dan know that > his efforts with Conan are appreciated. This wasn't meant in any way to > start controversy over here, just the opposite in fact. Not a problem anyhow. The person in question was in my killfile before I even posted there, so I haven't even seen anything he's posted. And even if I did, I'm quite adept at ignoring messages that displease me :) Dan |
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