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More good Harri news, Saturday, June 25
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Dan M - 25 Jun 2005 17:04 GMT I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a Saturday. That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic!
It seems I did properly read Harri's chart - there has been no further drainage from her chest tube since early yesterday morning. The vet removed her chest tube this morning (YEAH!) and will be doing an x-ray later today to verify that the fluid is not accumulating again. And he reports that once we let the staff know that Harri will only eat dry food, she has finished off the entire large bowl of kibble they gave her.
If Harri's x-rays are clean, she gets to come home TOMORROW!
They still haven't typed the organism causing Harri's infection, but they are still working on it. I hope to know by tomorrow exactly what it is that made her so sick. I'm concerned that it could be something that could infect the other kitties. Especially little Ranger, since Ranger tends to pounce on Harri and get kicked/bitten away when Harri doesn't feel like getting pounced upon.
Thanks, everybody, for your wonderfully effective purrs!
Dan
Adrian - 25 Jun 2005 17:14 GMT > I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a > Saturday. That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Dan Things are getting better all the time, thanks for the update.
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Hopitus - 25 Jun 2005 17:49 GMT Like Howard B. (we're probably the only two, LOL) I was looking closely @ contents of the tubes - what was visible, that is - and thinking it looked a helluva lot better than what I've seen draining outa hoomins I used to work on in the hospitals! So glad they're ready to release Harri.
>> I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a >> Saturday. That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Things are getting better all the time, thanks for the update. Howard C. Berkowitz - 25 Jun 2005 19:07 GMT > Like Howard B. (we're probably the only two, LOL) I was looking closely @ > contents of the tubes - what was visible, that is - and thinking it > looked a > helluva lot better than what I've seen draining outa hoomins I used to > work > on in the hospitals! So glad they're ready to release Harri. I'm amazed that she isn't fighting the tubes, and had assumed she was sedated/
> >> I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a > >> Saturday. That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > > Things are getting better all the time, thanks for the update. Ann - 25 Jun 2005 17:42 GMT Thanks for the update. Wonderful news that Harri is doing better. Ann
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>I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a Saturday. >That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Dan Howard C. Berkowitz - 25 Jun 2005 17:54 GMT > I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a > Saturday. That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > tends to pounce on Harri and get kicked/bitten away when Harri doesn't > feel like getting pounced upon. Infections tend to be most contagious in the early stage, often, unfortunately, before any symptoms show. Once her temperature is normal, it's pretty unlikely she can spread anything.
Still, it's best to have the specific identification. I wouldn't be suprised if it were one of the rarer organisms, such as Legionella. Your vet can give the best advice.
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Marina - 25 Jun 2005 18:26 GMT > If Harri's x-rays are clean, she gets to come home TOMORROW! This is so wonderful, Dan. I'm so happy for all of you.
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dopekitty - 25 Jun 2005 18:30 GMT > I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a > Saturday. That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Dan Awesome news! Continuing purrs for Harri to keep getting better!
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mlbriggs - 25 Jun 2005 18:52 GMT > I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a Saturday. > That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Dan Please remember to do a SCENT TRANSFER when you bring Harri home. Best of luck. MLB
Victor Martinez - 25 Jun 2005 18:52 GMT > If Harri's x-rays are clean, she gets to come home TOMORROW! Wow! We'll be purring for clean x-rays!
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Karen - 25 Jun 2005 18:56 GMT > I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a > Saturday. That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Dan VERY good news! Please let us know what the infection is when they find out. I wouldn't think this is a "spreadable" kind, but I suppose you never know.
CatNipped - 25 Jun 2005 19:32 GMT > I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a > Saturday. That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Dan I'm so glad to hear that Dan. I hope she's over this for good now!
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Jeanne Hedge - 25 Jun 2005 20:47 GMT Dan, maybe I missed this in another post, but has anyone figured out what caused the infection? Were Harri's collapsed lungs a result of the fluid build-up from the infection?
I'm *so* happy she's doing better :)
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Dan M - 25 Jun 2005 20:56 GMT > Dan, maybe I missed this in another post, but has anyone figured out > what caused the infection? Were Harri's collapsed lungs a result of > the fluid build-up from the infection? Yes, the lung collapse was directly caused by the large amount of fluid buildup. The vet is trying to determine what organism caused the infection. He hasn't been able to make that determination yet, but as of this morning the culture is still growing.
> I'm *so* happy she's doing better :) Me too! I finally was able to get some sleep last night. First night of decent sleep since Tuesday.
John F. Eldredge - 25 Jun 2005 23:24 GMT >> Dan, maybe I missed this in another post, but has anyone figured out >> what caused the infection? Were Harri's collapsed lungs a result of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Me too! I finally was able to get some sleep last night. First night of >decent sleep since Tuesday. Hopefully, it won't take long for her lungs to completely reinflate. I had a partial lung collapse after gaseous anaesthesia once, 16 years ago. Since then, I have had only one procedure involving such anaesthesia, and the problem didn't reoccur. It took about a week for my lung to fully reinflate, and I was decidedly low on energy until it did so, due to low blood oxygen levels.
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Howard C. Berkowitz - 26 Jun 2005 21:50 GMT > > Dan, maybe I missed this in another post, but has anyone figured out > > what caused the infection? Were Harri's collapsed lungs a result of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > infection. He hasn't been able to make that determination yet, but as of > this morning the culture is still growing. I wish I knew whether they mean "still being cultured", or that the culture actually shows growth. With modern methods, you usually can detect growth, if not identification, certainly within 24 hours.
At first, I was thinking of a fungal infection, but the usual sort of antibiotic "cocktail" or "shotgun" for a critical infection doesn't contain any drugs effective against fungi. My next thought is that it could be one of the atypical organisms that do not grow out well on standard culture media, such as the ureaplasma or mycoplasma.
As species, mycoplasma and ureaplasma want to be real bacteria when they grow up. They are the smallest free-living organisms known, just sort of floating globs without a cell wall. They still can act superior to viruses, which can only live inside other cells.
Many antibiotics do hit these species, so if nothing ever cultures out, an infection of this type is a reasonable bet. I might have considered a viral infection, but there wouldn't have been such a dramatic response to antibiotics.
In other words, I'm saying I don't know, we may never know for sure, but there are some educated guesses that might fit. The important thing is that Harri is well! I've been awfully worried. You really have to write the book!
Apropos of such, I'd be glad to help. My own books are with engineering publishers, who wouldn't be interested in this sort of thing, but I can at least help guide someone else through the process of publishing, as much as anyone can these days. Electronic on-demand publishing may be a better approach, I'm afraid, than brick-and-mortar bookstores.
Karen - 26 Jun 2005 22:39 GMT >>> Dan, maybe I missed this in another post, but has anyone figured out >>> what caused the infection? Were Harri's collapsed lungs a result of [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > much as anyone can these days. Electronic on-demand publishing may be a > better approach, I'm afraid, than brick-and-mortar bookstores. I was wondering if it is pneumonia. are there specific bacteria to be identified or is pneumonia a catch all term for fluid build up on lungs from an infection?
Howard C. Berkowitz - 26 Jun 2005 23:36 GMT > I was wondering if it is pneumonia. are there specific bacteria to be > identified or is pneumonia a catch all term for fluid build up on lungs > from > an infection? In general, pneumonia is now a fairly general term for fluid accumulation in the lungs. There are more specific lung conditions with a specific kind of fluid that are not called pneumonia.
Most pneumonias do involve some kind of infection, although there are enough cases where an infectious agent can't be identified that we have a term for that, aseptic pneumonia.
The terminology is confusing, partially for historical reasons. For example, there is a "pneumonia vaccine" for humans, but it is actually a vaccine against a specific organism, Neisseria pneumoniae, also called "the pneumonococcas". Before antibiotics, this was one of the very few infectious diseases for which anything could be done: through a rather laborious process, the immune type of the substrain in the patient could be identified, and an antitoxin given. Pneumonicoccal typing remains a useful tool in tracking disease outbreaks, but the therapy is completely obsolete since we have antibiotics.
Infectious pneumonias can be due to bacteria, fungi, or viruses; the bacterial form is certainly not limited to the pneumonococcus. Staphylococcal pneumonia, for example, is not that uncommon and is quite vicious. Legionnaire's Disease is a pneumonia caused by Legionella pneumonia, a somewhat specialized bacterium. Fungal pneumonias can occur in anyone, but is most common in immunosuppressed patients.
With this range of infectious diseases, there's obviously going to be no one universal antibiotic. While giving mixtures of antibiotics as a "shotgun" is not generally advisable, in a "fulminating", imminently lethal pneumonia, such as Harri had, shotgun therapy is quite appropriate. Just as a guess, it might have been a cephalosporin, gentamicin, and metronidazole, with some changes to allow oral therapy.
In humans, the mixture of the cocktail will vary with the geographic area. We also differentiate between "community-acquired" and "hospital-acquired" pneumonias. The latter occur in already-sick patients, and are especially nasty since they tend to be the ones that are resistant to most antibiotics. Shotgun therapy is probably the usual start to treating hospital-acquired pneumonias. A good physician can often make a reasonable guess, based on symptoms, of the first antibiotic to try for a community-acquired pneumonia.
wafflycat - 25 Jun 2005 20:49 GMT > If Harri's x-rays are clean, she gets to come home TOMORROW! Most excellent!
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Candace - 25 Jun 2005 21:09 GMT > If Harri's x-rays are clean, she gets to come home TOMORROW! > > Thanks, everybody, for your wonderfully effective purrs! Yay, I hope so!!!!! I'm very happy for you and your little Roadcat.
Candace
Enfilade - 25 Jun 2005 22:43 GMT I did not know Harri was sick but I am glad she is getting better. I remember how upset we were when Kumani was in the vet's with a "mystery disease" last year.
Purrs for Harri.
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Mary - 26 Jun 2005 03:39 GMT > > If Harri's x-rays are clean, she gets to come home TOMORROW! > > > > Thanks, everybody, for your wonderfully effective purrs! > > > Yay, I hope so!!!!! I'm very happy for you and your little Roadcat. Me too! Dan;'s goodness is coming back to him.
Gabey8 - 26 Jun 2005 02:51 GMT Thank God for good news! Here's hoping that the x-rays are clean and Harri can go home.
More hopes and purrs and prayers are on the way that the @#*$&@#$ infection is beaten and is gone for good. Poor Harri and poor you, going through all this!
Before you know it, all that missing fuzz will grow back and it'll be like nothing happened. I hope that day arrives ASAP!
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badwilson - 26 Jun 2005 04:25 GMT > I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a > Saturday. That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > they are still working on it. I hope to know by tomorrow exactly what > it is that made her so sick. I'm concerned that it could be something
> that could infect the other kitties. Especially little Ranger, since > Ranger tends to pounce on Harri and get kicked/bitten away when Harri
> doesn't feel like getting pounced upon. > > Thanks, everybody, for your wonderfully effective purrs! > > Dan Oh wow, that's just so awesome, I'm so happy :-) I'm also very curious to find out what caused this whole thing. I hope they can figure it out. -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Helen Wheels - 26 Jun 2005 04:55 GMT > I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a > Saturday. That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Dan Wow, I'm so glad to hear that little Harri's doing so well. I haven't been able to read the group for a little while so I was shocked to hear she's been so ill. May her road to recovery be smooth from now on.
Yoj - 26 Jun 2005 07:25 GMT This is wonderful news, Dan! I'm so glad!
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> I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a > Saturday. That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Dan Lucys Mom - 26 Jun 2005 21:58 GMT This is wonderful news, Dan!! We've been so worried!!!
polonca12000 - 28 Jun 2005 17:36 GMT That's wonderful news, Dan, I'm so happy to hear that. Lots of purrs and best wishes for Harri to recover completely and for the other kitties to stay healthy,
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> I just got a call from Harri's specialist. Yes, at 8:00 AM on a > Saturday. That guy seems to ALWAYS be at the clinic! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Dan
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