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Seanette Blaylock - 24 Jun 2005 03:23 GMT Why is it just fine and dandy for Tweed to mercilessly abuse Jill, but not fine for her to get back a *fraction* of what she's dishing out?
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Cheryl - 24 Jun 2005 03:32 GMT > Why is it just fine and dandy for Tweed to mercilessly abuse > Jill, but not fine for her to get back a *fraction* of what > she's dishing out? I could say the same about CN. But I won't.
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Victor Martinez - 24 Jun 2005 03:43 GMT We had these for dinner tonight, they were awesome!
Victor's crostini
Toast two large pieces of crusty bread, a sourdough loaf is great Chop fresh tomatoes (I used a variety of cherry tomatoes that we got as a gift), fresh basil and toss with olive oil, sea salt and pepper Top the toasts with the tomatoes and top with fresh mozzarella Broil until the cheese melts. Delicious!
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Cheryl - 24 Jun 2005 03:50 GMT > We had these for dinner tonight, they were awesome! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > fresh mozzarella Broil until the cheese melts. > Delicious! You can troll-b-que me all you want, but I'm not a troll. Many know this. I used to like you.
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Victor Martinez - 24 Jun 2005 03:55 GMT > You can troll-b-que me all you want, but I'm not a troll. Many know > this. I used to like you. I'm sorry you feel that way. You post was nothing but sheer bile, one of the definitions of troll in my book. It was petty and low, you should apologize.
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Cheryl - 24 Jun 2005 04:00 GMT >> You can troll-b-que me all you want, but I'm not a troll. Many >> know this. I used to like you. > > I'm sorry you feel that way. You post was nothing but sheer > bile, one of the definitions of troll in my book. It was petty > and low, you should apologize. If you saw what I've been up against in another group, you wouldn't think I have to apologize. I don't see where I have to apologize. It wasn't "bile". It was in response to what I read here. I happen to agree with what I replied to. I'm allowed to do that.
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Victor Martinez - 24 Jun 2005 04:04 GMT > If you saw what I've been up against in another group, you wouldn't > think I have to apologize. I don't see where I have to apologize. I don't think it's fair for people to bring the crap that happens in other groups to this one. This group is special.
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Cheryl - 24 Jun 2005 04:07 GMT >> If you saw what I've been up against in another group, you >> wouldn't think I have to apologize. I don't see where I have to >> apologize. > > I don't think it's fair for people to bring the crap that > happens in other groups to this one. This group is special. I agree, and I think the same goes in reverse. Now, I guess I'm making a point since I have nothing to lose here. Its already lost.
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Mary - 24 Jun 2005 04:42 GMT > >> You can troll-b-que me all you want, but I'm not a troll. Many > >> know this. I used to like you. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It wasn't "bile". It was in response to what I read here. I happen > to agree with what I replied to. I'm allowed to do that. I am amazed when people start a load of misery up then say "poor me."
Mary - 24 Jun 2005 04:43 GMT > > You can troll-b-que me all you want, but I'm not a troll. Many know > > this. I used to like you. > > I'm sorry you feel that way. You post was nothing but sheer bile, one of > the definitions of troll in my book. It was petty and low, you should > apologize. I don't know how Cheryl can post any other way.
jmcquown - 24 Jun 2005 03:53 GMT > We had these for dinner tonight, they were awesome! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Broil until the cheese melts. > Delicious! Sounds fantastic! I'd serve that with a spinach salad with a very simple olive oil and balsamic dressing, garlic... you know the drill :) Sometimes simplest is best.
Jill
pmendhall - 24 Jun 2005 05:54 GMT Now you both have made me very hungry. Off to look in the fridge for something to eat. It won't match these.
Diane
> > We had these for dinner tonight, they were awesome! > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jill Mary - 24 Jun 2005 04:46 GMT > We had these for dinner tonight, they were awesome! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Broil until the cheese melts. > Delicious! I do my own rendition of this, also with sourdough--but I add a portobello mushroom and use that OTHER Italian sandwich cheese ... that escapes my harried brain at the moment ... grrr..! It is also white ... delis always have it ... aughghghghh! Help!!
Melissa Houle - 24 Jun 2005 06:45 GMT > > We had these for dinner tonight, they were awesome! > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > cheese ... that escapes my harried brain at the moment ... grrr..! > It is also white ... delis always have it ... aughghghghh! Help!! Provolone, perhaps? Victor, your recipe sounds delish. <G> I still have pleasant lingering memories of the meals I ate in Italy. (happy sigh)
As to the other matter beginning this post, I have to admit I'm very confused.... and saddened. I missed the posts that lead up to this, am not entirely sure who is involved or why, and at this point, I don't want to further inflame feelings. Yes, I feel very sympathetic toward Tweed while she is facing this possibly serious illness, and would feel the same toward any other member of this NG under similar situations. And I would extend you the same sympathy, Seannette. Giving support to one person doesn't mean that I cannot also give it to someone else. There are lots of varieties of personal crises, and because one person is facing a battle with cancer doesn't mean that someone else is not going through an equally difficult personal crisis of different sort. Each person has a valid need and right to ask for group support, whatever the nature of their trouble. I am sorry you felt you could not ask for help when you needed it. That has to be a very lonely feeling.
{{{Seannette}}} and {{{Tweed}}}
For the lowering of stress levels, I suggest everyone should seek out your cat or cats, and giving him or her a blissful massage. It may not solve all problems, but I'm betting it will lower stress level all around in the immediate term . Sleep well, everyone.
Melissa
Mary - 24 Jun 2005 06:59 GMT > > > We had these for dinner tonight, they were awesome! > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Provolone, perhaps? Victor, your recipe sounds delish. <G> I still have > pleasant lingering memories of the meals I ate in Italy. (happy sigh) YES!! Thanks, Melissa. :) Speaking of Italy it was in Florence that I first had this portobello, cheese and tomato sandwich. At that time when most of the places are closed, when Americans are accustomed to having lunch and Italians have gone home to be with their families, only to return to work after a couple of hours and stay there until 7 or 8 p.m. And then it is out for gelato, of course. It must be time to go again .... I wish.
Melissa Houle - 24 Jun 2005 17:48 GMT > > > I do my own rendition of this, also with sourdough--but I add > > > a portobello mushroom and use that OTHER Italian sandwich [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > 7 or 8 p.m. And then it is out for gelato, of course. It must be time > to go again .... I wish. You and me both. <G> I spent my two weeks in Italy at a watercolor painting workshop in Umbria. The place where I stayed was a converted monastery, and the cooks on the staff were frickin' FABULOUS. we ate really excellent Italian home cooking and some of THE best pasta I've ever had.
Ah, Gelato. You HAD to say that fatal word! =o) I spent a few hours in Rome on that trip, but would love a chance to see Florence.
Melissa
W. Leong - 24 Jun 2005 18:53 GMT >> > > I do my own rendition of this, also with sourdough--but I add >> > > a portobello mushroom and use that OTHER Italian sandwich [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Melissa Florence is very nice and I got a beautiful leather coat there. Seeing your posts brought back memory of my trip to Italy more than 10 years ago. We went all over Italy, from Sorento in the south to the Italian lakes near the Swiss border. Unfortunately we didn't get many good meals until we ate at a small island near Venice. I remember my gelato in Rome near Spanish steps readily melted in the heat during Siesta :( Maybe I should take a trip to little Italy in town.
Winnie
Pamela Shirk - 24 Jun 2005 23:57 GMT > YES!! Thanks, Melissa. :) Speaking of Italy it was in Florence that > I first had this portobello, cheese and tomato sandwich. At that time [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 7 or 8 p.m. And then it is out for gelato, of course. It must be time > to go again .... I wish. <Whines: I wanna go toooooo!>
Pam S. who may someday get to see Burope
Mary - 25 Jun 2005 00:23 GMT > > YES!! Thanks, Melissa. :) Speaking of Italy it was in Florence that > > I first had this portobello, cheese and tomato sandwich. At that time [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Pam S. who may someday get to see Burope If you go, go in the spring and fly into Paris, to Orly airport, Spend at least a few days (a week is better) in Paris, (the left bank is the best, it is older and more medieval, though all the big grand stuff like the Eiffel Tower, the Tuileries, and the Louvre are on the right bank) then take a slow train to Florence Italy that goes along the coast of France near Nice. (The express is NOT what you want. Put your foot down, if you don't speak French well, as the worst thing in the world about France is the guys who work at the train stations! They are just very intimidating. I speak a little French and can understand it and Italian very well from my Latin and Greek years.)
The reason I say go in the spring and fly into Paris--because that way you get the whole treatment. It may be cheaper to go in the winter and fly into London, but I'm telling you, the price difference is not big enough to make it worth it. Late April to early May--in Paris--is heaven. I walked around crying part of the time just because every thing is so beautiful. Then you get to Florence and every thing (in my opinion) is even more beautiful. And believe it or not, there are safe, clean places where you can stay that cost $50 USD a night--both on the Left Bank in Paris and in Florence.
It's not everyone's cup of tea--you have to be kind of a "culture vulture," to be wowed by old stuff and beautiful stuff, and to like museums and gardens. I had a rail pass so I could go anywhere on the train. I found markets and lived on the cheese and fruit and bread I bought there the first time I went. And--wildest of all, to many people--I went alone. It was wonderful, as I just did whatever I wanted and did not have to consult with anyone. (I was neither married nor in love at the time. Had I been, I would have gone with him.) Everything is just so different. You would love it. I hope you decide to go one day. It is expensive but you can do anything if you really want to.
Magic Mood Jeep© - 24 Jun 2005 13:41 GMT >> Why is it just fine and dandy for Tweed to mercilessly abuse >> Jill, but not fine for her to get back a *fraction* of what >> she's dishing out? > > I could say the same about CN. But I won't. Too late. Please keep the pettiness in H&B. This goes for *everyone*.
Maybe we should start a new group: RPCIWBAS (rec.pets.cats.I.wanna.bitch.at.someone)
Please? :)
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CatNipped - 24 Jun 2005 03:46 GMT > Why is it just fine and dandy for Tweed to mercilessly abuse Jill, but > not fine for her to get back a *fraction* of what she's dishing out? See my replies to Tweed's post.
I'm hoping we can get over this and get on with taking care of our masters' needs.
With all we've all been going through lately it's no wonder our nerves are a bit frayed and things get blown out of proportion.
Families have spats, that doesn't mean there isn't still a lot of love still there.
Hugs,
CatNipped
> :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Seanette Blaylock - 24 Jun 2005 04:02 GMT "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Inconsistency:
>> Why is it just fine and dandy for Tweed to mercilessly abuse Jill, but >> not fine for her to get back a *fraction* of what she's dishing out? >See my replies to Tweed's post. I still consider her vicious attitude toward Jill inexcusable. About the time she wants to climb off that self-righteous high horse and perhaps even consider that Jill is a human being with feelings, I'll consider retracting remarks made out of several days of feeling sympathy pain for the abuse Jill was getting (plus fatigue and severe emotional stress of my own that I don't feel I CAN talk about here, thanks to Tweed).
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL gracecatt@gmail.com - 25 Jun 2005 04:32 GMT Seanette, that's bloody well bullshit and you know it. There's not one damned person here stopping you from sharing your pain with the group and it's inconceivable you would think this. We have always, always ALWAYS been welcome towards any member here that's in pain. You're putting your self perceived assumptions on the wrong person. You're not sharing because YOU don't want to. Tweed has zero to do with it.
But I'll tell you what. This entire.... (and I'm backspacing out of alot of words here)... thread has made me wonder just how bloody damned welcome I've been this last year.
Thank you.
I don't give a rat's a.s what was said to ANYBODY, you had zero right to call Tweed's posts "whimperings". You've said before, your emotions are thinner some days than others. What the hell do you think Tweed's running these days? Good cheer and happy thoughts? She may have made an unintentional harsh post. I don't know. I don't really care. I haven't looked that hard. But it's time some people take a step back and wonder if they're not being overly harsh.
This just disgusts me, severely. Moreso than this group has ever in the past.
pmendhall - 25 Jun 2005 05:16 GMT > But I'll tell you what. This entire.... (and I'm backspacing out of > alot of words here)... thread has made me wonder just how bloody damned > welcome I've been this last year. Grace you are always welcome here. You have been though a very tough time that many of us can't really understand, much as we can try to empathize. Don't let the sniping and bickering that has occurred recently turn you away from the group or for asking for sympathy when needed.
Diane
Kreisleriana - 25 Jun 2005 17:01 GMT >Seanette, that's bloody well bullshit and you know it. There's not one >damned person here stopping you from sharing your pain with the group [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >alot of words here)... thread has made me wonder just how bloody damned >welcome I've been this last year. I'm sorry you feel that way, and I'm sorry how this thread has played into people's fears and insecurities. I certainly have no problem with anyone's venting their problems, large or small, here.
I'm mostly concerned that I often don't have enough time to individually express all the comfort and support I want to extend to people here, or the money to join others in cushioning some of the financial blows we take in being good catparents.
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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 25 Jun 2005 18:20 GMT >I'm sorry you feel that way, and I'm sorry how this thread has played >into people's fears and insecurities. I certainly have no problem [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh >My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Theresa, it's okay. None of us can do it all. But I know that when I need support, even if people don't post, they are probably sending good thoughts my way at least. It means a lot, and I am saddened by what I have been reading here the past few days. I hope very much that we all can work out our differences and return to being a community of caring, cat-loving people.
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Debbie Wilson - 25 Jun 2005 19:00 GMT > Theresa, it's okay. None of us can do it all. But I know that when I > need support, even if people don't post, they are probably sending > good thoughts my way at least. It means a lot, and I am saddened by > what I have been reading here the past few days. I hope very much > that we all can work out our differences and return to being a > community of caring, cat-loving people. Ginger-Lyn, I am an old-timer here (9 years now) and one of those who reads much more than they post nowadays, but be reassured I read every post, and send purrs even if I don't post to say so. I have faith that this group is strong enough to work through the differences. It's a very rare and unusual newsgroup.
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Pamela Shirk - 25 Jun 2005 22:44 GMT > But I'll tell you what. This entire.... (and I'm backspacing out of > alot of words here)... thread has made me wonder just how bloody damned > welcome I've been this last year. Baby Girl, you're always welcome in my book. I've mourned for your postings during those long dry months when we didn't hear from you. Don't you dare think that we don't love you or care about you. Same with the rest of this group.
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Christina Websell - 25 Jun 2005 23:38 GMT >> But I'll tell you what. This entire.... (and I'm backspacing out of >> alot of words here)... thread has made me wonder just how bloody damned [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pam S. who wants to hug Gracie until her ribs ache But don't you see? It takes only one post to make us feel unsafe to share. Tweed
sriddles@aol.com - 26 Jun 2005 00:03 GMT > > Baby Girl, you're always welcome in my book. I've mourned for your > > postings during those long dry months when we didn't hear from you. Don't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > But don't you see? It takes only one post to make us feel unsafe to share. > Tweed But Tweed, I know it's hard to do, but try to put it in perspective. It was one person. Just one person. Look how many people here care so much about you. They far outnumber the one.
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badwilson - 26 Jun 2005 03:25 GMT >>> Baby Girl, you're always welcome in my book. I've mourned for your >>> postings during those long dry months when we didn't hear from you. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > But Tweed, I know it's hard to do, but try to put it in perspective. > It was one person. Just one person. Look how many people here care so
> much about you. They far outnumber the one. > > Sherry Yes, it is very sad, but we can't control other people. I wish those types of posts would never be made but have no way of stopping it. Only thing you can do is filter it out in your head and think of all the many positive posts and wonderful people. -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Mary - 26 Jun 2005 03:45 GMT > >>> Baby Girl, you're always welcome in my book. I've mourned for > your [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > -- > Britta You can stop the bad posts. Just kill all honest interaction. People have bad days. People have conflicts. Civility is overrated and when it is INSISTED UPON what you get are a bunch of people hiding behind smiley masks and posting sweetsy things and interacting honestly if at all, in private.
Whoever said those things to Tweed is probably sorry, and if not is not worth another second of my attention--or any of yours. Mean people suck. Consider the source and blow them off. But don't shut them up, because sneaky meanness is far more dangerous.
Keep shunning those you don't like (including me!!!) but you cannot and SHOULD not shut them up. If you need to leave the group, then leave. Freedom for everyone. It builds strength. Everyone here is an adult and I don't see a need to babysit people who have been through tragedies like the deaths of loved ones, etc.
Susan M - 26 Jun 2005 06:15 GMT I agreee howver, I really felt that Tweed really pushed Jill to the wall on the dog thing. I respect Tweed and I've been sending my best healing thoughts to her. she should have stopped three posts earlier on trying to nail Jill's LLL on the failing to search for his dog (see "purrs for a dog" thread"). I am all over wishing Tweed's health. I'm all over wishin Tweed LIFE and hapiness - its bigger than anyting all of us are writing about.
I usually make a point of statying completely out of these kinds of ridiculous arguements. I make my case - I am purring and praying or Tweed and I hope that Jill's LLL finds his dog - but I don't hold Jill accountable for her LLL's decision. That's it.
I'm still purring and lighting candles for Tweed, bless her heart, and also for Jill's LLL's dog.
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>>>> Baby Girl, you're always welcome in my book. I've mourned for > your [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Check out pictures of Vino at: > http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album Mary - 26 Jun 2005 01:46 GMT > >> But I'll tell you what. This entire.... (and I'm backspacing out of > >> alot of words here)... thread has made me wonder just how bloody damned [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > But don't you see? It takes only one post to make us feel unsafe to share. > Tweed It does, but one cannot be this fragile when one is expressing oneself in a global forum like Usenet. This is a nice group, but it is still a Usenet group.
jmcquown - 24 Jun 2005 03:59 GMT > Why is it just fine and dandy for Tweed to mercilessly abuse Jill, but > not fine for her to get back a *fraction* of what she's dishing out? I really wish you could explain to me how Tweed has been mercilessly abusing me? If I felt she was doing so I'd surely lash out or give her the PLONK, don't you think? I mean, I appreciate you standing up for me but I'm still not sure why you think you need to. I haven't been insulted in the least by my discussions, on the ng or in private, with Tweed. Nor anyone else I correspond with here, for that matter. Sometimes we all just agree to disagree, but hey, that's the way life should be, isn't it?
Jill (glad we aren't all borg or clones)
Seanette Blaylock - 24 Jun 2005 04:13 GMT "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Inconsistency:
>> Why is it just fine and dandy for Tweed to mercilessly abuse Jill, but >> not fine for her to get back a *fraction* of what she's dishing out? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >disagree, but hey, that's the way life should be, isn't it? >Jill (glad we aren't all borg or clones) You must not have seen all the posts about how horrible you and LLL are for not abandoning that art show he NEEDED the income from to chase after one dog, never mind that he needed that money to feed all his other animals, etc.
After several days of reading that and cringing on your behalf, I hit my limit for self-righteous nastiness.
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL jmcquown - 24 Jun 2005 09:59 GMT > "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> had some very interesting things > to say about Re: Inconsistency: > >>> Why is it just fine and dandy for Tweed to mercilessly abuse Jill, >>> but not fine for her to get back a *fraction* of what she's dishing >>> out?
>> I really wish you could explain to me how Tweed has been mercilessly >> abusing me? If I felt she was doing so I'd surely lash out or give [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > After several days of reading that and cringing on your behalf, I hit > my limit for self-righteous nastiness. I did read it. Frankly, like a duck in water, I stated the facts and let any criticism roll off my back. I know better than anyone my LLL can't just up and decide not do his job, pets or no pets, whether anyone agrees with his decision or not. My heart aches for Maddie-dog as does his. But I feel she's crossed the RB and is at peace.
Jill
Adrian - 24 Jun 2005 10:05 GMT > Why is it just fine and dandy for Tweed to mercilessly abuse Jill, but > not fine for her to get back a *fraction* of what she's dishing out? I'd hoped you were going to apologise for a post sent in haste. Obviously this is not the case, what a pity I thought you were better than that.
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Seanette Blaylock - 25 Jun 2005 03:26 GMT "Adrian" <anca@bigfoot.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Inconsistency:
>> Why is it just fine and dandy for Tweed to mercilessly abuse Jill, but >> not fine for her to get back a *fraction* of what she's dishing out? >I'd hoped you were going to apologise for a post sent in haste. >Obviously this is not the case, what a pity I thought you were better >than that. I repeat, I will *consider* doing so when Tweed is willing to retract outright vicious commentary aimed at Jill. I refuse to apologize for calling her on her out-of-line behavior until she's willing to admit she went too far.
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL badwilson - 25 Jun 2005 04:02 GMT > "Adrian" <anca@bigfoot.com> had some very interesting things to say > about Re: Inconsistency: > >>> Why is it just fine and dandy for Tweed to mercilessly abuse Jill, >>> but not fine for her to get back a *fraction* of what she's dishing
>>> out? >> I'd hoped you were going to apologise for a post sent in haste. >> Obviously this is not the case, what a pity I thought you were better
>> than that. > > I repeat, I will *consider* doing so when Tweed is willing to retract > outright vicious commentary aimed at Jill. I refuse to apologize for > calling her on her out-of-line behavior until she's willing to admit > she went too far. You didn't just call her on her out-of-line behaviour. You resorted to belittling her battle with cancer and how she's struggling to deal with it. That is taking things to a whole other level of meanspiritedness. Shame on you. If you want to call her on the Jill thing, keep it to that. No need to bring anything else into it. And besides, Jill seemed to be handling the thing just fine, I doubt she needs anyone stepping in to fight her battles for her. -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Seanette Blaylock - 25 Jun 2005 04:41 GMT "badwilson" <badSPAMwilson@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Inconsistency:
>You didn't just call her on her out-of-line behaviour. You resorted >to belittling her battle with cancer and how she's struggling to deal [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >besides, Jill seemed to be handling the thing just fine, I doubt she >needs anyone stepping in to fight her battles for her. Oh, and all the nastiness about how subhuman someone is who doesn't abandon job and responsibilities to deal with a not-unusual wandering dog WASN'T mean-spirited? You and I must use different definitions of that word.
Oh, and everyone, thanks for all the caring about my overwhelming problems in life that I can only allude to for fear of Tweed's treating me as badly as she did Jill (which was outright painful for me to read, TYVM). Makes me wonder how it is that someone who's posted repeatedly about hating cats for being (gasp) predators can be nearly worshipped while a life-long cat lover is nothing around here.
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL pmendhall - 25 Jun 2005 05:30 GMT > Oh, and everyone, thanks for all the caring about my overwhelming > problems in life that I can only allude to for fear ...<snip> Seanette and group,
There is no reason not to post your problems to the group if you want to. This group has always been willing to offer sympathy and support to those who need it. If posts by a certain member bother you, don't read them. I have posted things to the group and had some responses that come across harshly, yes even reply postings from you. I have tried to take into consideration that the person posting has been having a bad day/month/year etc.
May I suggest that you and the rest of the group, take a breather from replying to either this thread or any other that is likely to rile you for a week, then re-read what was posted in the past. You may see things in a different light, with less emotion involved.
In the past year or so, there has been an awful lot of bickering and sniping occurring in this group that was not there before. It makes me sad. I know that people post things in the heat of the moment and making assumptions, that they may regret later. Yes, I am guilty of that as well. I have always found it best to try and remedy the situation and then let it alone. I am sure that our cats, dogs, birds, fish, etc. are thinking during threads like these that they are glad they aren't human.
Seanette, your beef is with Tweed. May I suggest that you contact her off line and try to come to some sort of understand about this situation, Jill obviously has.
Sorry for the rant.
Diane
badwilson - 25 Jun 2005 05:46 GMT > "badwilson" <badSPAMwilson@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things > to say about Re: Inconsistency: > >> You didn't just call her on her out-of-line behaviour. You resorted
>> to belittling her battle with cancer and how she's struggling to deal
>> with it. That is taking things to a whole other level of >> meanspiritedness. Shame on you. If you want to call her on the Jill
>> thing, keep it to that. No need to bring anything else into it. And
>> besides, Jill seemed to be handling the thing just fine, I doubt she
>> needs anyone stepping in to fight her battles for her. > > Oh, and all the nastiness about how subhuman someone is who doesn't > abandon job and responsibilities to deal with a not-unusual wandering > dog WASN'T mean-spirited? You and I must use different definitions of > that word. Tweed and Jill were discussing back and forth about the issue. Jill didn't see it as mean spirited, so you shouldn't either. The issue was about responsibility and pet-ownership. It had nothing to do with cancer and using this group for emotional support. *You* brought that into it.
> Oh, and everyone, thanks for all the caring about my overwhelming > problems in life that I can only allude to for fear of Tweed's > treating me as badly as she did Jill (which was outright painful for > me to read, TYVM). Makes me wonder how it is that someone who's posted > repeatedly about hating cats for being (gasp) predators can be nearly > worshipped while a life-long cat lover is nothing around here. How can we care about your overwhelming problems if we don't know what they are, much less even know that you have any? And I always thought that this group supports anyone that's going through trauma in their life. Regardless of whether they are a life long cat lover, a new cat lover or even more of a dog lover who is still ambivalent about cats. Whatever. Personal problems are personal problems and IMO anyone here should feel free to share if they want to and to receive support from the group. So if you are going through something right now that you would like support with, please go ahead and share. It might make you feel better. I bet people will be supportive even despite this recent hoopla. But if you don't feel able to share, please don't take out your bitterness on others here. -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Christina Websell - 25 Jun 2005 23:33 GMT > "badwilson" <badSPAMwilson@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things > to say about Re: Inconsistency: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > repeatedly about hating cats for being (gasp) predators can be nearly > worshipped while a life-long cat lover is nothing around here. This is getting so out of hand. I do not recall calling anyone subhuman or ever saying I hated cats. I did say I was a birdwatcher which was my interest and I wished the cats hadn't come to spoil it. But now they are here I love them and I believe I've said that too on more than one occasion. I am so fed up with this. I wish I knew what I did to deserve it all, would someone please tell me? Jill & I have no problem with what I said.
I have enough to worry about without this, should find out on Wednesday what the diagnosis of "borderline" on my tumour really means for me. It definitely means I haven't fallen into the category of 70% benign for my kind of tumour. I was in the 10% borderline. but obviously better than the 20% definitely wildly malignant. I just have to wait and see what it all means. In the meantime please excuse me if I have an EXTREMELY BAD TEMPER AND SAY INEXCUSABLE THINGS while I wait to know. I will try not to but can't promise.
Tweed
Christina Websell - 26 Jun 2005 00:01 GMT > "badwilson" <badSPAMwilson@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things > to say about Re: Inconsistency: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Oh, and all the nastiness about how subhuman someone is I never mentioned the term subhuman.
>who doesn't > abandon job and responsibilities to deal with a not-unusual wandering > dog WASN'T mean-spirited? The dog did not usually wander, but I am not about to argue about it. Jill & I do not have a problem about our spirited exchange.
You and I must use different definitions of
> that word. > > Oh, and everyone, thanks for all the caring about my overwhelming > problems in life that I can only allude to for fear of Tweed's > treating me as badly as she did Jill (which was outright painful for > me to read, TYVM). There is no reason at all why you should not share your problems here. It isn't me stopping you. Count on the fingers on one hand when I have not been supportive.
<Makes me wonder how it is that someone who's posted
> repeatedly about hating cats for being (gasp) predators ?? I like birds, yes, and had wished the cats hadn't arrived, but, hey, how can you not love them in the end? I don't recall saying I hated cats because I never have.
>can be nearly > worshipped while a life-long cat lover is nothing around here. This is worrying. Seanette is in trouble here. Anyone feel the same?
Tweed
Gracecat - 26 Jun 2005 00:16 GMT > ?? I like birds, yes, and had wished the cats hadn't arrived, but, hey, > how can you not love them in the end? I don't recall saying I hated cats > because I never have.
> Tweed Tweed, don't fret over that. You liked birds more than you liked cats at one time obviously. So what if someone gets offended over that. Birds, horses, elephants, goats and pygmy rattlesnakes have the same right to life as a cat does. And it *is* disturbing to see your beloved animal being attacked by outlaw and renegade kitties. *hugs*
I wouldn't call that a cat hater at all. I'd call it a bird lover *smiles*. Cat haters would be the ones that act maliciously towards the offended cat.
Grace
Jo Firey - 26 Jun 2005 01:35 GMT >> ?? I like birds, yes, and had wished the cats hadn't arrived, but, hey, >> how can you not love them in the end? I don't recall saying I hated cats >> because I never have. > >> Tweed To put another spin on it. I had two grandmothers. One I called the kitty grandmother and one I called the birdie grandmother.
The kitty grandmother always had cats about and sometimes a new litter of kittens. She lived in the mountains on the edge between a small town and wilderness. And she didn't have much use for birds. Mostly I suspect because she was very superstitious and considered birds to be bringers of bad luck.
The birdie grandmother lived on an acre in farming country and the bushed and trees in her yard were full of birds. Most every year there was at least one nest I could watch from building and eggs to fledglings learning to fly. She taught be how to tell the different birds apart both by their looks and their songs. I still get a small thrill when I happen to see a bird that was one of her particular favorites. A cat stalking in her yard would likely have been met with a pan full of dishwater.
Now I firmly maintain it was good for me to know and love them both.
Jo
Adrian - 26 Jun 2005 10:38 GMT <snip>
> This is worrying. Seanette is in trouble here. > Anyone feel the same? Whatever has upset seanette, I hope it can be resolved. Obviously it's more than a few posts to usenet.
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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 26 Jun 2005 17:29 GMT ><snip> >> This is worrying. Seanette is in trouble here. >> Anyone feel the same? > >Whatever has upset seanette, I hope it can be resolved. Obviously it's >more than a few posts to usenet. Hijacking Adrian's post because I am getting lost.
Sending purrs to Seanette for whatever is going on to be resolved happily.
Ginger-lyn
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Nan - 26 Jun 2005 15:15 GMT >> "badwilson" <badSPAMwilson@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things >> to say about Re: Inconsistency: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > >Tweed Tweed, you need to be like the guy who was kicked by the mule. Just consider the source and forget it. Her ranting is not worth worrying over. She has a problem that she hasn't felt that she could share with us for our support and it's made her b*tchy.
Hugs and Purrs that you get a good report.
Nan
sriddles@aol.com - 25 Jun 2005 04:19 GMT > "Adrian" <anca@bigfoot.com> had some very interesting things to say > about Re: Inconsistency: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > calling her on her out-of-line behavior until she's willing to admit > she went too far. But, after all, Seanette, it's about Jill, not you. Jill has been extremely gracious and understanding. Can't you do the same?
Sherry
gracecatt@gmail.com - 25 Jun 2005 04:35 GMT *snorts*
Apparently not. Just as I get my feet back in the water, I hear another long standing member begrudge another member we may not have with us for as long as we like.
As I said, it truly makes me wonder how welcome my grievings have been in this group.
It hurts much much more than it would otherwise knowing how Tweed must feel and having someone call them whimperings.
CatNipped - 25 Jun 2005 05:15 GMT > *snorts* > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It hurts much much more than it would otherwise knowing how Tweed must > feel and having someone call them whimperings. Grace, I hope you know that the feelings of *ONE* person do not represent the feelings of the entire group. This group has always been here and will always be here for anyone (including Seanette) who needs to share their pain in order to ease it - and I've done that myself in the past and may need to in the future.
I won't let this minor contretemps deprive me of that and I sincerely hope nobody else does either. As I posted twice now, my second favorite Spider Robinson quote (from his "Callahan's Crosstime Saloon" series) is "Shared pain is diminished, shared joy is increased." I think we embody that sentiment here.
We just need to all take a step back and a deep breath and realize that stress has been working on all of our last nerves!
I *LOVE* you guys, please lets make up and concentrate our powers for the good of all here who could stand a little good in their lives right now.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Gracecat - 25 Jun 2005 05:32 GMT >> *snorts* >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Grace, I hope you know that the feelings of *ONE* person do not represent > the feelings of the entire group. *snipped*
> Hugs, > > CatNipped *deep sighs and not a few tears* I know CN. Deep down I do. But the idea of even one of us calling something as serious as that "whimperings" hurts extremely bad.
Ya know, honestly. I went back and read what Tweed posted. And I don't think anybody has quite understood what she possibly was projecting.
Here's Tweed, in a medical crisis that may spell her death warrant. And there's this puppy, lost and may be perilously close to death itself. The situation is entirely too easy to project alot of fear and anger into.
Yes, Tweed was harsh. Tweed is also scared. It's easier to take up for someone else that is in danger when it's important you feel you have to stay composed over your own situation.
*shrugs* I'm willing to let alot of the anger in any of Tweed's posts go for such reasons. Because I've been there and I've bitten my tongue on alot of horrible horrible awful things I've wanted to say. Not because I believed them, or felt the person deserved them but because of my personal hell.
That's my two cents folks. But maybe it's just my stress levels. It's so extremely close to July, I fought with Jody probably the worst since the accident tonight and I'm premenstrual (not something I want to be).
Grace
Adrian - 25 Jun 2005 10:36 GMT > "Adrian" <anca@bigfoot.com> had some very interesting things to say > about Re: Inconsistency: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > calling her on her out-of-line behavior until she's willing to admit > she went too far. I wasn't saying you should necessarily apologise to Tweed, that's between you and her. I do think you should apologise to the group for the pain and upset your post caused. I'm really sorry if you're having problems at the moment, but causing other people to suffer won't help you.
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Kreisleriana - 25 Jun 2005 16:57 GMT >"Adrian" <anca@bigfoot.com> had some very interesting things to say >about Re: Inconsistency: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >calling her on her out-of-line behavior until she's willing to admit >she went too far. But Seanette, Jill seemed to let it go quite readily, with the recognition that we all have bad days. If she could do that, couldn't you?
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