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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 22 Jun 2005 18:54 GMT
I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
help someone else here somehow?

Richard has had a breakdown.  Things started getting bad in early
February, but I didn't recognize the signs of what was going on.  He
was exhibiting very aggressive, angry behavior at that time and for
several months.  Finally, in May, he went into depression and started
talking about suicide.  Our psychologist and I agreed he needed to go
into the hospital, and he signed himself in.

He was there for about five or six days, and since then, he has been
in a day program where he has been learning new coping skills and
getting used to his medications (he's on Zoloft and an antianxiety, as
well as a sleeping aid).

Unfortunately, on Monday they told him that he would be going to
half-days in the program in order to prepare to get out of it and,
hopefully, return to work soon.  This set off some old issues for him,
I think; I really don't fully comprehend all of what is going on.  All
I know is that he went completely off the deep end again, and was
talking suicide and hitting himself with his fists.  I was very
afraid, and a neighbor kindly drove us to the hospital.

It was a nightmare.  Near a Full Moon, and all that.  It took hours
for him to be seen by the psychiatrist.  And when he finally was, we
were told they had no beds available.  So they shipped him out to a
crisis center where he could be held and observed overnight.  They
gave me a free cab ride home, and I felt bad about leaving him, but
the cats hadn't been fed in 24 hours, I had forgotten my Albuterol and
couldn't breathe, and I had to get home before I knew what their
assessment was.  I already knew he needed to be somewhere safe.

I called yesterday, and they were transporting him to Riverside
Hospital, which is not our hospital, because OSU still had no beds
available.  His case manager at the crisis service talked to the
insurance company, and they *say* they will cover it anyway, even
though it is out-of-network, because no beds were available where he
should have gone.  We shall see.  Co-pays alone for hospitalization
are going to be $500, plus we will probably have to pay for the
ambulance transport, twice.  I do not know what we are going to do.

His mother was supposed to take me up to see him last night, but she
ditzed around too long.  I managed to find a friend to run me up
there, but I only had five minutes to drop off some clothes and see
him.  He is doing slightly better, but still not doing very well at
all.  They happened to have a class with family members welcome, so I
was able to stay with him another 45 minutes, even though it was in a
class on stress.  I was great at volunteering answers about that --
lol.

I don't know how I am going to get up to see him tonight, but I will
try.

I feel so badly for him, but I don't know that there is much I can do.
It really hurts to see him like this.  And I am also angry, as he has
left so many things a mess and I have to deal with it all, when *I* am
not in very good shape myself right now.  But sh*t happens, yes?

One funny thing on Monday at the ER.  Every Monday since March 1999, I
have participated in the online Candle Ceremony at petloss.com.  The
only times I missed (two) were due to computer problems.  Shortly
before the start of the Ceremony, the psychiatrist was dong a lengthy
interview with Richard and asked me to step outside.  So I looked
around at the interminable number of computer terminals around the
nurse's station, and thought "Why not?"  I asked a nurse, explaining,
and she asked a nurse with more authority who said "Sure!"  So I stood
there at the nurse's station using their computer, and doing the
online Ceremony.  At least I didn't miss that.

Anyway, I am long-winded and babbling, and I sure wish I could say
things were better and didn't keep getting worse.  Surely rock-bottom
has to hit soon.

Any purrs for DH (and me) appreciated.

Ginger-lyn
weary

Home Pages:
 http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/
 http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)
 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)
 http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
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Kreisleriana - 22 Jun 2005 19:07 GMT
Oh my.  It really beggars one for words.  I am so very sorry.  The
very best purrs for all of you to pull through this.

Theresa
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My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
KittyLady - 22 Jun 2005 19:23 GMT
Purrs for you and your husband,
I don't know if this will help any but my father had a nervous
breakdown when I was 14. I remember it just like it was yesterday. It
is very scary and to hear my dad talk about it today still scares me.
He says there was a period of about 2 weeks that he just completely
felt out of control. I asked him what had helped him. He said it was
the fact that "his family" had stuck by him. My father had  turned
violent too.
Please just stick by his side, I know it is hard , sometimes you will
feel like it is you who is the problem but typically it is not.
I will pray for him. Should you need to talk, vent, ask questions
please shoot me an email, I cant surf the boards at night but I do
check my mail.
Skritches,
KittyLady
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 23 Jun 2005 18:08 GMT
>Purrs for you and your husband,
>I don't know if this will help any but my father had a nervous
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>Skritches,
>KittyLady

Thank you, KittyLady.  And I am so sorry about your dad.  That must
have been so rough for you at that age.

I have told Richard I will be there for him, and I hope he truly knows
that.

Ginger-lyn

Home Pages:
 http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/
 http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)
 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)
 http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
                        Animals in Movies Website)
Marina - 22 Jun 2005 19:52 GMT
> Any purrs for DH (and me) appreciated.

Always, Ginger-lyn. I can't even begin to imagine what you are going
through. {{{Ginger-lyn}}}

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Karen - 22 Jun 2005 20:12 GMT
Oh my goodness. We cannot send enough purrs. I'm sure the worst thing is to
feel so helpless in this situation. Major
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
))))))))))))))))))
Helen Miles - 22 Jun 2005 20:12 GMT
> Anyway, I am long-winded and babbling, and I sure wish I could say
> things were better and didn't keep getting worse.  Surely rock-bottom
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Ginger-lyn
> weary///

Many purrs and prayers {{{{GINGER-LYN}}}}

Helen M
Dan M - 22 Jun 2005 20:29 GMT
> I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
> help someone else here somehow?

Oh, GL, that sounds awful. Very frightening. You've got our best purrs
and prayers coming.

Dan
jmcquown - 22 Jun 2005 20:38 GMT
> I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
> help someone else here somehow?
>
> Richard has had a breakdown.

{{{{{{{{{{Ginger-lyn}}}}}}}}  Mega purrs on the way for Richard and also for
your overwrought nerves.

Jill
Julie Cook - 22 Jun 2005 20:54 GMT
> I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
> help someone else here somehow?

{{{{{Ginger-lynn}}}}} I am so very sorry this is happening to both you
and Richard.  You will remain in our purrs and candle ceremonies.
Gentle headbutts and hugs to you both.  You will be home alone for a
little while, it appears. Give us "hey I'm all right" shout every day or
two. I'll be out of town until Sunday afternoon but I still have your's
and Banjo's phone numbers and will call you if you don't check in!!!
I'll probably call you sometime soon even if you do check in but I'd
like for us (r.p.c.a.) to know you're all right.

Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 23 Jun 2005 18:10 GMT
>> I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
>> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus

Thank you so much, Julie.  I will try to check in.  One of the other
messes right now is that I normally have my booth at Comfest, the "old
hippie festival" I do every year.  I'm not sure I can do it this year,
as Richard always helps.  We'll see if I can work out something.  If I
do, I may not have time to post more than a "Hi, I'm here" post,
though.  So if I make it to Comfest, advance purrs to all who need
them.

Ginger-lyn

Home Pages:
 http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/
 http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)
 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)
 http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
                        Animals in Movies Website)
Marina - 24 Jun 2005 06:16 GMT
> Thank you so much, Julie.  I will try to check in.  One of the other
> messes right now is that I normally have my booth at Comfest, the "old
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> though.  So if I make it to Comfest, advance purrs to all who need
> them.

I hope you do make it there. It sounds like just the thing to take your
mind off things for a moment. Many purrs that you can go.

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Marina, Frank and Miranda. In loving memory of Nikki.
marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi
Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/
and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

Gracecat - 25 Jun 2005 05:05 GMT
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:54:06 -0400, Julie Cook <jcook03@emory.edu>
>
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>  http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
>      Animals in Movies Website)

Oh Ginger... *hugs*

I somewhat understand where you're at. It's hard. They diagnosed Jody with
Post Traumatic Stress after the accident. If you remember, he was here and
saw... lots of stuff... I was out of town.

Bless Richard. And Bless you. It's so hard to stay strong for them and
there's absolutely nothing in the world you can do beyond hugging them.

*hugs again*
Grace
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 25 Jun 2005 18:13 GMT
>Oh Ginger... *hugs*
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>*hugs again*
>Grace

Thank you, {{{Grace}}}}.  I am so sorry about Jody's PTSD.  That is a
very hard thing to live with, I know.  Purrs to both Jody and  you.

Ginger-lyn

Home Pages:
 http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/
 http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)
 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)
 http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
                        Animals in Movies Website)
Shiral - 22 Jun 2005 21:26 GMT
Ginger-lyn,
I'm terribly sorry that you and Richard are going through this right
now, when so many other things in your lives have gone badly this year,
already. I hope Richard's medication and treatments will  bring him
back on a more level emotional keel, soon, and that things will start
to get better.

{{{{{Ginger-lyn}}}}}
Melissa
Adrian - 22 Jun 2005 22:16 GMT
> I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
[quoted text clipped - 74 lines]
> Ginger-lyn
> weary

Purrs for Richard and you, I know what he's going through, I don't have
any answers.
Signature

Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera)
A house is not a home, without a cat.

glsummer@neptunelink.com - 23 Jun 2005 18:12 GMT
>Purrs for Richard and you, I know what he's going through, I don't have
>any answers.

Thank you, {{{Adrian}}}.

Was there anything/is there anything that helped/helps you?

Ginger-lyn

Home Pages:
 http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/
 http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)
 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)
 http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
                        Animals in Movies Website)
Adrian - 23 Jun 2005 18:33 GMT
>> Purrs for Richard and you, I know what he's going through, I don't
>> have any answers.
>
> Thank you, {{{Adrian}}}.
>
> Was there anything/is there anything that helped/helps you?

The only thing that helps at the moment is solitude, I find dealing with
other people in person, very stressful.
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Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera)
A house is not a home, without a cat.

Shirley - 22 Jun 2005 22:42 GMT
Healing thoughts and purrs for Richard and some restorative ones for
you.

{{{{{{{Ginger-Lyn & Richard}}}}}}}}

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Shirley
http://community.webshots.com/user/shirleycatuk

Charleen Welton - 22 Jun 2005 23:20 GMT
Many purrs and positive thoughts for you and Richard.  I hope that soon,
very soon, things will start to turn around for you and Richard and you
start to live the life you deserve and have worked towards.

Charleen
Pamela  Shirk - 22 Jun 2005 23:22 GMT
>I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> talking about suicide.  Our psychologist and I agreed he needed to go
> into the hospital, and he signed himself in.

Purrs and <<<Ginger-Lyn>>>  We are dealing with what I say is clinical
depression and Rob says is all in my head.  He's convinced that the VA just
wants him to curl up and die, and that he should oblige them.  So I know,
more or less, where you're coming from.  FYI, the VA says that Rob is not
more than 30% disabled because he can subtract 7 from 100 and knew that
Calvin Coolidge was a US president.  We're appealing the case, but Rob
refuses to help with the appeal and I can't do the appeal for him.  Sigh.
Could also use some get Rob over the depression purrs.

Pam S.
SuzQ - 23 Jun 2005 00:25 GMT
Purrs for you and Rob too Pam.
Suz&Spicey
Sam Nash - 23 Jun 2005 04:43 GMT
> Purrs and <<<Ginger-Lyn>>>  We are dealing with what I say is clinical
> depression and Rob says is all in my head.  He's convinced that the VA
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Pam S.
On the way from the Pacific NW  to the Atlantic side.  Grab 'em on their way
by -- they're for you and Rob.
Sam
Christine Burel - 23 Jun 2005 17:22 GMT
> >I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> > privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Pam S.

I'm sorry to hear this, Pam; hugs and purrs for you and Rob as well.
Christine
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 23 Jun 2005 18:14 GMT
>Purrs and <<<Ginger-Lyn>>>  We are dealing with what I say is clinical
>depression and Rob says is all in my head.  He's convinced that the VA just
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Pam S.

Thank you, {{{{Pam}}}}}.  And I am so sorry about Rob's depression.
And yep, it sure sounds familiar.  Purrs for Rob and for you, too.
Let's make a pact to all make it through this together.

Ginger-lyn

Home Pages:
 http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/
 http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)
 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)
 http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
                        Animals in Movies Website)
polonca12000 - 23 Jun 2005 22:32 GMT
This is really so hard for you and your family, Pam. But please tell Rob
that he is a wonderful Paw to a lot of kitties who need him a lot.
Lots of hugs, purrs and best wishes for you both. We are thinking of you,
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Polonca & Soncek

> Purrs and <<<Ginger-Lyn>>>  We are dealing with what I say is clinical
> depression and Rob says is all in my head.  He's convinced that the VA just
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Pam S.
Susan M - 22 Jun 2005 23:36 GMT
>I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> talking about suicide.  Our psychologist and I agreed he needed to go
> into the hospital, and he signed himself in.

Yikes Ginger - you have a heavy load right now and I we send the strongest
soothing purrs to both you and Richard.  I'm sorry that its all going
sideways and I know that it is a matter of time before things will improve
for both of you.  I know its hard to imagine and sometimes hard to hang on
that long.  There have been times when I have thought things seemed hopeless
at my end too and each time they have become better and better.  Hang in
there and we're cheering for you here.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Christina Websell - 22 Jun 2005 23:37 GMT
>I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
[quoted text clipped - 74 lines]
> Ginger-lyn
> weary

One in four people will suffer some sort of mental illness in their
lifetime.  None of it is easy to live with for relatives.  None of it can be
avoided by the person who has it by "pulling yourself together" and all
those things people say when they don't understand that it's an illness,
which anyone can get and needs medical treatment and perhaps counselling
too.

Purrs for you Ginger-lyn to deal with the loss of your DH, because that's
what it is, because he is different now, not the person you thought you
knew, isn't that right?
He *will* get well and be that person again.  He will be frightened now, as
is everyone whose mind suddenly gets out of control, and will need to know
that you will stand by him while he recovers.  That in itself will help him
recover faster.

lots of hugs to help through this bad time
Tweed
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 23 Jun 2005 18:15 GMT
>One in four people will suffer some sort of mental illness in their
>lifetime.  None of it is easy to live with for relatives.  None of it can be
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>lots of hugs to help through this bad time
>Tweed

Thank you, {{{Tweed}}}.  And yes, you're right.  And it is difficult
watching someone fall apart in front of your eyes.  I hope he will be
able to build himself back up, build himself a life, and be much
better than he can imagine right now.

Ginger-lyn

Home Pages:
 http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/
 http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)
 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)
 http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
                        Animals in Movies Website)
Victor Martinez - 22 Jun 2005 23:51 GMT
> Any purrs for DH (and me) appreciated.

Lots and lots of purrs.

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Elise - 23 Jun 2005 00:16 GMT
> Any purrs for DH (and me) appreciated.

Purrs always available and headed your way.  {{{{Ginger-lyn}}}}

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SuzQ - 23 Jun 2005 00:21 GMT
Of course Spicey and I will send purrs. I keep hoping that things will get
better for you. I'm still hoping.
Suz&Spicey
Yowie - 23 Jun 2005 00:47 GMT
I wish I could do more for you than just send purrs! Please let me know if
there is.

Purrs, prayers (and candle-light) on the way

Hugs,

Yowie

> I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>   http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
>      Animals in Movies Website)
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 23 Jun 2005 18:16 GMT
>I wish I could do more for you than just send purrs! Please let me know if
>there is.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Yowie

Thank you, Yowie.  I know you are struggling with your own depression
right now, and you have been in my thoughts.

Ginger-lyn

Home Pages:
 http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/
 http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)
 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)
 http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
                        Animals in Movies Website)
Yowie - 25 Jun 2005 06:21 GMT
>>I wish I could do more for you than just send purrs! Please let me know if
>>there is.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thank you, Yowie.  I know you are struggling with your own depression
> right now, and you have been in my thoughts.

I really like happy pills! They work!

Yowie
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 25 Jun 2005 18:14 GMT
>>>I wish I could do more for you than just send purrs! Please let me know if
>>>there is.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Yowie

LOL!

Ginger-lyn
grinning

Home Pages:
 http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/
 http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)
 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)
 http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
                        Animals in Movies Website)
Takayuki - 23 Jun 2005 02:17 GMT
Purrs for you and Richard, Ginger-lyn.  How scary!
CATherine - 23 Jun 2005 03:18 GMT
>I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
>privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>  http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
>                        Animals in Movies Website)
{{{{{{{{{{{Ginger-lyn}}}}}}}}}}} You are some special person to be
able to handle all the things that have happened in your life since I
have known you. It has been one thing after another; yet, you never
give up or break down. Your cats must be purring overtime. Well, I
have directed my cats to purr for you and I am sending hugs and
prayers for you myself. And very special purrs for Richard to get the
treatment he needs and come home okay.

--
CATherine
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 23 Jun 2005 18:11 GMT
>{{{{{{{{{{{Ginger-lyn}}}}}}}}}}} You are some special person to be
>able to handle all the things that have happened in your life since I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>prayers for you myself. And very special purrs for Richard to get the
>treatment he needs and come home okay.

Thank you, {{{CATherine}}}}.  I am doing my best.   I have to keep it
together for the cats!  :-)

Ginger-lyn

Home Pages:
 http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/
 http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)
 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)
 http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
                        Animals in Movies Website)
Yoj - 23 Jun 2005 03:36 GMT
Mega-purrs for both of you are on the way.

((((((((((((Ginger-lyn and Richard))))))))))))

Joy

> I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>   http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
>      Animals in Movies Website)
Sam Nash - 23 Jun 2005 04:40 GMT
>I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>  http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
>      Animals in Movies Website)

My good Lord, Ginger-lyn!  You have most certainly had the "year from hell".
Our strongest purrs are on the way for you and for Richard.
Sam
badwilson - 23 Jun 2005 04:47 GMT
I'm so sorry Ginger-lyn.  It just doesn't seem fair that so much
crappy stuff can happen to 2 people in such a short time.  Things have
*got* to get better!  Hugs and purrs,
--
Britta
"There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album

> I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>   (genealogy) http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence
>      Against Animals in Movies Website)
Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Jun 2005 05:49 GMT
I'm so sorry, Ginger-lyn.  Purrs for you to make it through this
somehow, and for Richard to get healthy.

I understand completely that you both worry for Richard and feel angry
that he has abandoned you.  It wasn't his choice, of course, but
you're still left holding the bag.  I'm just glad that he's getting
treatment.  

> I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
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Exocat - 23 Jun 2005 07:18 GMT
Supportive Get Well Soonpurrs etc. from all of us

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> Richard has had a breakdown.
wafflycat - 23 Jun 2005 13:25 GMT
> Anyway, I am long-winded and babbling, and I sure wish I could say
> things were better and didn't keep getting worse.  Surely rock-bottom
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> Ginger-lyn
> weary

Depression is a nasty beast which takes a lot of determined fighting:
determined, difficult, draining, exhausting fighting. You both have a hard
road to follow right now. One of the hardest things it does is make you feel
you are entirely alone. But you are not. Realising this can be a great help
in fighting the beast. And - after rock-bottom, the only way to go is up.

My thoughts are with the two of you.

gentle *hugs* helen s
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 23 Jun 2005 18:17 GMT
>Depression is a nasty beast which takes a lot of determined fighting:
>determined, difficult, draining, exhausting fighting. You both have a hard
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>gentle *hugs* helen s

Thank you, helen.  And I feel less alone with all of your kind words
and purrs.  It really means a lot to me.  Thank ALL of you, and I am
sorry I don't have the energy to respond to every one of you, but know
that I appreciate your kind words and thoughts.

Ginger-lyn

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Pamela  Shirk - 23 Jun 2005 23:41 GMT
> Thank you, helen.  And I feel less alone with all of your kind words
> and purrs.  It really means a lot to me.  Thank ALL of you, and I am
> sorry I don't have the energy to respond to every one of you, but know
> that I appreciate your kind words and thoughts.

Just had a thought.  Have they checked Richard's hormone an blood sugar
levels?  Before I was diagnosed as being a diabetic, I was diagnosed as
having bi-polar disorder.  They just couldn't figure out why the various
medications they put me on made me suicidal.  After I was diagnosed and got
my blood sugars under control, more or less, the mood swings, major
depressions, and suicidal thoughts went away.  I'm worried that Diabetes
might be part of Rob's problem, but haven't been able to get him to a doctor
to find out.  (He says that he doesn't care what's wrong with him, the VA
just wants him to die anyway)

Pam S.
Seanette Blaylock - 24 Jun 2005 03:09 GMT
"Pamela  Shirk" <tanada@earthlink.net> had some very interesting
things to say about Re: One More Heartbreak [long]:

>Just had a thought.  Have they checked Richard's hormone an blood sugar
>levels?  Before I was diagnosed as being a diabetic, I was diagnosed as
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>to find out.  (He says that he doesn't care what's wrong with him, the VA
>just wants him to die anyway)

Would he tolerate you checking his blood sugar first thing in the
morning to at least get an idea of whether that's an issue?

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Lesley - 23 Jun 2005 13:28 GMT
Hugs from the slave and purrs from the Fabulous Furballs for you and
Richard

Lesley

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Christine Burel - 23 Jun 2005 17:20 GMT
Oh,no, Ginger-lyn, my heart goes out to you and your husband -- from the
experience we had earlier in the year with our son, payment plans can be
worked out with these places;  -- there should be a social worker who helps
you with your case and can help you with this.  Our insurance actually
picked up more than we thought it would; the important thing is to get
Richard on the right meds and in counseling in a safe environment which he
is now.  We had to go through this with Alex and actually getting him on a
different medication made a huge difference.  Huge purrs and purrayers for
you.
Christine
> I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
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Pamela  Shirk - 23 Jun 2005 23:44 GMT
> Oh,no, Ginger-lyn, my heart goes out to you and your husband -- from the
> experience we had earlier in the year with our son, payment plans can be
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> you.
> Christine

I've been meaning to ask you how Alex is doing.  He's such a smart and funny
kid.  We fell in love with both of the kids last summer.  Rob got such a
kick out of arguing philosophy with him.  Well I call it arguing, Rob
insisted that it was just a debate and that Alex is one of the smartest kids
he ever talked with.

Pam S.
Christine Burel - 24 Jun 2005 16:01 GMT
> > Oh,no, Ginger-lyn, my heart goes out to you and your husband -- from the
> > experience we had earlier in the year with our son, payment plans can be
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>
> Pam S.

Pam, that's very thoughtful of you to ask about Alex.  I'm glad to say that
things are much improved at this stage. Because of his crisis he was able to
have close observation by a very good psychiatrist for the 6 weeks he was in
partial hospitalization, and we were able to adjust him to a different
medication which works much more effectively.  We also gained insight into
the fact that he lives in a constant state of anxiety because of his
awareness of his social differences.  He went back to his regular high
school on April 2nd and was able to finish out the school year and get good
grades, too.  He also has a new male therapist and I think they have a good
rapport, much better than with the social worker he had previously.  The
whole experience was nightmarish for us but the outcome was positive.  thank
you and Rob for asking.
Christine
Pamela  Shirk - 25 Jun 2005 00:21 GMT
> Pam, that's very thoughtful of you to ask about Alex.  I'm glad to say
> that
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> thank
> you and Rob for asking.

Please give Alex our regards.  He's a special and interesting young man.
I'd love to have had him as one of my students.  He is so good at looking at
something and seeing a side of it that would never occur to most people, but
which seems obvious when Alex points it out.

Pam S.
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 25 Jun 2005 18:16 GMT
>Pam, that's very thoughtful of you to ask about Alex.  I'm glad to say that
>things are much improved at this stage. Because of his crisis he was able to
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>you and Rob for asking.
>Christine

I must have missed this along the line, but I am glad to hear Alex is
doing much better.   That is truly wonderful news.  Purrs for his
continuing health and you, too.

Ginger-lyn

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polonca12000 - 23 Jun 2005 17:58 GMT
I'm so very sorry to hear that.
Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for problems to solve themselves
really soon. We are thinking of you both.
Lots of hugs,
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> I haven't posted about this, because I wanted to respect Richard's
> privacy.  But he gave me the go-ahead, and who knows, maybe it will
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> talking about suicide.  Our psychologist and I agreed he needed to go
> into the hospital, and he signed himself in.
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