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Julie Cook - 22 Jun 2005 16:25 GMT
I picked Hobbes up yesterday afternoon and got a chance to speak with
our vet about his case.  You'll remember my initial concern was a cough
that he had as well as runny eyes.  I asked for x-rays so that we can
hopefully rule out asthma before it reaches a critical stage.  The
x-rays show possible fluid retention near the heart which could suggest
the start of congestive heart failure.  Because of his size she had some
trouble getting a good x-ray and suggests a sonogram to make sure what
we're seeing is fluid and not fat.  She has put him on Furosemide (brand
name Lasix) which is basically a diuretic used in this indication to
draw the fluid away from his heart.

We're going out of town tonight and won't be back until Sunday.
Fortunately, our pet sitter can handle this situation.  I'm a little
concerned about starting the Furosemide while we're out of town (I'd be
concerned about starting any new drug when we're gone) but at least I
have Dana coming in twice a day.  As you can imagine, however, I'm going
to worry about my Hobbes cat while we're away.

Last night he was dopey but wanted food right away and after eating he
slept most of the remainder of the evening.  I gave him a pain pill this
morning (she had to clean deeply around his gums and I don't want him
hurting) but I think after this he won't need any more pain medication.
 He is of course on antibiotics as well.

I'll have the sonogram scheduled as soon as we get back from our trip.
I'm not concerned that this is an immediate emergency because there
wasn't a lot of fluid built up but it is something that I plan to follow
up on right away.

In the meantime, does anyone have any experience with Furosemide or
Lasix (other names Disal and Salix).  Hobbes is getting 1/4 of a 12.5 mg
tab twice daily for two days and then 1/4 tab daily after that.

Thank you for all of your purrs and I'll make sure that purrs are
forthcoming for everyone while we are away.

Julie and Hobbes
Karen - 22 Jun 2005 17:05 GMT
Boy, I have no experience with it at all. This is worrisome. I would be
awful leary too about starting the new meds and being gone, but you really
have to get him on that. Lasix really does work. Purrs for a good outcome :(

> I picked Hobbes up yesterday afternoon and got a chance to speak with
> our vet about his case.  You'll remember my initial concern was a cough
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>
> Julie and Hobbes
Melissa Houle - 22 Jun 2005 17:20 GMT
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> Thank you for all of your purrs and I'll make sure that purrs are
> forthcoming for everyone while we are away.
>
> Julie and Hobbes

Prrrrrrrrrrr!!!

I hope all will soon be well with Hobbes, Julie.

Melissa
Marina - 22 Jun 2005 19:01 GMT
> I picked Hobbes up yesterday afternoon and got a chance to speak with
> our vet about his case.  

We're still purring for Hobbes.

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Howard C. Berkowitz - 22 Jun 2005 19:47 GMT
> I picked Hobbes up yesterday afternoon and got a chance to speak with
> our vet about his case.  You'll remember my initial concern was a cough
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> name Lasix) which is basically a diuretic used in this indication to
> draw the fluid away from his heart.

I'll speak here both from human medicine and personal experience with
furosemide (Lasix). First, furosemide is one of the more potent
diuretics. The trade name, rumor has it, is derived from "last for six
[hours]."

I take it primarily to deal with the water-retaining side effects of
some other blood pressure drugs. While I used to take 80mg/day, after a
change of drugs, I take 20mg.  That's a moderately low dose for a large
human.

If I have to give a seminar or be in a meeting, I have to schedule
taking the Lasix until later.  It hits me in 30-45 minutes, and,
depending on my water buildup, may mean I have to rush to _my_ litter
box every 10 minutes or so, for several hours.

> We're going out of town tonight and won't be back until Sunday.
> Fortunately, our pet sitter can handle this situation.  I'm a little
> concerned about starting the Furosemide while we're out of town (I'd be
> concerned about starting any new drug when we're gone) but at least I
> have Dana coming in twice a day.  As you can imagine, however, I'm going
> to worry about my Hobbes cat while we're away.

The major concern with this class of diuretics is that it may lower the
potassium level and/or dehydrate. That usually would take more than a
couple of days. I have to take supplemental potassium tablets, but I
have some other reasons why I lose potassium. With humans, many people
can control the potassium loss by eating oranges or bananas, which are
rich in potassium.  That doesn't sound like plausible cat food.

> Last night he was dopey but wanted food right away and after eating he
> slept most of the remainder of the evening.  I gave him a pain pill this
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> Lasix (other names Disal and Salix).  Hobbes is getting 1/4 of a 12.5 mg
> tab twice daily for two days and then 1/4 tab daily after that.

Let me discuss generally the disease of congestive heart failure. First,
let me clarify some medical terms that are more scary than they should
be. For example, "congestive heart failure (CHF)" doesn't mean the heart
has completely failed, but that it is not pumping as efficiently as it
should, and the efficiency has dropped to a level that needs to be
treated. If you think this term is strange, it's amusing to know that
people regularly survive "Sudden cardiac death syndrome."

Diuretics like furosemide are a rational starting point for treating
CHF, in that they can cause quick loss of fluid retained over a longer
period that makes it difficult to examine. It sounds like waiting for
the sonogram until Hobbes has had a few days of Lasix is a very sensible
idea to get the most information from the sonogram.

The next group of drugs prescribed after diuretics, in humans, are
things that stimulate the heart's muscle. The broad class is called
positive inotropic agents, and the likely drug will be something from
the digitalis family, probably digoxin.  For those of you interested in
herbal medicine, digitalis comes from the foxglove plant, and is one of
the oldest effective drugs used in medicine. Digoxin is made
synthetically so the concentration is constant.

In humans, there is a lot of new research suggesting that a class of
drugs generally called beta-blockers (beta-adrenergic agonists) are very
effective in CHF.  Some of the properties of these drugs, at first, make
them a counterintuitive choice, but their benefit seems to be from
relaxing the blood vessels and reducing resistance to the pumping of the
heart.

Again in humans, CHF can be due to high blood pressure and possibly
obesity.  Beta-blockers and some diuretics (Lasix not being one of the
more potent one for this purpose) reduce blood pressure. There are other
classes of drugs that can be added.

In the sonogram, the heart may be enlarged, much as any muscle does that
has to work hard.  One of the goals of therapy is to return it to normal
size -- no, bulging heart muscles are NOT a good thing.  With drug
therapy, I was able to get mine completely back to normal.  My
enlargement was due to hypertension; I never got into CHF although some
numbers were trending that way (thinks briefly of how one would do a
MUGA test on a cat, which, with humans, involves lying on your back and
pedaling bicycle pedals in the air while getting a radioactive chest
scan. Yeah, right.)
CATherine - 23 Jun 2005 03:08 GMT
>I picked Hobbes up yesterday afternoon and got a chance to speak with
>our vet about his case.  You'll remember my initial concern was a cough
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>
>Julie and Hobbes

Purrs and prayers for Hobbes to come through this okay. I am glad you
caught this early. I know a lot of humans use Lasix. He will be
visiting the litter pan frequently. Ask your vet about the loss of
potassium. I am on a mild diuretic and have to eat a banana every day.
I don't suppose Hobbes likes bananas? ;-)

--
CATherine
Steve Touchstone - 23 Jun 2005 03:12 GMT
I know it's useless to say don't worry, but try not to anyway. As far
as the lasix goes, can't really help much cats taking it. I used to be
an Army Pharmacy NCO so am familiar with it's use in hoomins. It's an
older generation diuretic, and very effective, so I'd suggest telling
the cat-sitter to make sure there's lots of fresh water available to
avoid dehydration,
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Sam Nash - 23 Jun 2005 04:20 GMT
>I picked Hobbes up yesterday afternoon and got a chance to speak with our
>vet about his case.  You'll remember my initial concern was a cough that he
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>is basically a diuretic used in this indication to draw the fluid away from
>his heart.
Purrs for the Hobbes-man continue
Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
polonca12000 - 23 Jun 2005 17:49 GMT
Lots of purrs and best wishes for everything to go really well with Hobbes,
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> I picked Hobbes up yesterday afternoon and got a chance to speak with
> our vet about his case.  You'll remember my initial concern was a cough
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>
> Julie and Hobbes
 
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