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Ms. Lynda - 21 Jun 2005 04:41 GMT

Hi All,

We've been having router and DSL problems. A new router is on the way
and I should be back soon. Rather than go through all sorts of
gyrations to prove to the router company (D-Link) that their router is
still bad even after we uploaded their 2.0 firmware, we're just
ordering a new one. Rather than spend four hours on the phone to tech
spprt. and still need a new one, we chose the easy way.

Purrs and hugs to those who need them.

Regards and Purrs,
O J
(Temporarily using Lynda's computer)

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Seanette Blaylock - 22 Jun 2005 02:57 GMT

Ms. Lynda <mslyndag@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to say
about Where's O J?:

>We've been having router and DSL problems. A new router is on the way
>and I should be back soon. Rather than go through all sorts of
>gyrations to prove to the router company (D-Link) that their router is
>still bad even after we uploaded their 2.0 firmware, we're just
>ordering a new one. Rather than spend four hours on the phone to tech
>spprt. and still need a new one, we chose the easy way.

Hope you didn't get a Belkin router. I'm told those have a nasty habit
of rerouting random HTTP requests to an ad site (whether Belkin's own,
I don't recall clearly. Googling news.admin.net-abuse.email will
provide more info).

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"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be
doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding.

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Howard C. Berkowitz - 22 Jun 2005 04:45 GMT

> Ms. Lynda <mslyndag@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to say
> about Where's O J?:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I don't recall clearly. Googling news.admin.net-abuse.email will
> provide more info).

The early versions did, but the ISP community went ballistic on Belkin
and they quickly backed away.

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Seanette Blaylock - 22 Jun 2005 06:07 GMT

"Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> had some very interesting
things to say about Re: Where's O J?:

>> Hope you didn't get a Belkin router. I'm told those have a nasty habit
>> of rerouting random HTTP requests to an ad site (whether Belkin's own,
>> I don't recall clearly. Googling news.admin.net-abuse.email will
>> provide more info).
>The early versions did, but the ISP community went ballistic on Belkin
>and they quickly backed away.

Or so they *say*. After the original stunt, no way do I trust those
bozos.

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"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be
doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding.

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Howard C. Berkowitz - 22 Jun 2005 19:07 GMT

> "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> had some very interesting
> things to say about Re: Where's O J?:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Or so they *say*. After the original stunt, no way do I trust those
> bozos.

You can go through the mailing list archives of NANOG, the North
American Network Operators Group (www.nanog.org) and search on this. ISP
made it very clear to Belkin that they would refuse to buy Belkin
products if they played these games -- and ISPs buy lots more products
than consumers. Belkin apologized profusely, but a lot of ISP engineers
kept testing the new software, under extreme stress conditions, to see
if it would do nonstandard things.

As another example of ISP pressure, when Verisign changed DNS so bad DNS
names would be redirected to their web search page, it caused an
incredible uproar. I testified at the policy meeting of the oversight
group.

There is a basic assumption, in the network operations engineering
community, that products and protocols should work consistently. When
some vendor changes things in a disruptive manner, the reaction from
NANOG, etc., is about that of an advanced country discovering it has a
sudden and serious disease epidemic.

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