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CatNipped - 20 Jun 2005 21:39 GMT
I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their drugs
on the public in television commercials!

For one thing, how do they manage to sell these drugs when... "possible side
effects can include tuberculosis, lymphoma (no kidding, I just heard this
one), heart attack, stroke", etc. etc.

For another, how can our government allow these dangerous drugs to be sold
when that same government arrests people for selling marijuana to cancer
patients (which, despite 30+ years of intense research that *tried* to prove
its deleterious health effects, has still not been able to do so)!

Just goes to show you what big money kickbacks to corrupt "representatives"
can achieve!!

</rant>

Sorry, the Fibro is kicking my @$$ today, but I'm trying to cut back on the
Tylenols because they're bad for the liver and I have to take 2 every night.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Victor M - 20 Jun 2005 21:54 GMT
> I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their drugs
> on the public in television commercials!

I love the "tell your doctor about...", I can't remember which
comediant said (Maher?)... if you tell your doctor what to prescribe to
you, he's not your doctor, he's your dealer. :)

> For one thing, how do they manage to sell these drugs when... "possible side
> effects can include tuberculosis, lymphoma (no kidding, I just heard this
> one), heart attack, stroke", etc. etc.

Because people don't read the fine print.

> Just goes to show you what big money kickbacks to corrupt "representatives"
> can achieve!!

The pharmaceutical lobby is very powerful. They have in the past,
successfully bribed congress to pass laws excepting specific drugs from
patent law protection timelines, so they can continue to deny generic
labs from making their drugs.

> Sorry, the Fibro is kicking my @$$ today, but I'm trying to cut back on the
> Tylenols because they're bad for the liver and I have to take 2 every night.

I never take acetaminophen because it's supposed to cause liver cancer
if you drink alcohol... :) which I know you don't. I like ibuprofen,
it's my analgesic of choice.

Hope you feel better soon! At least you're nice and cool indoors. :)

Victor
Smokie Darling (Annie) - 21 Jun 2005 00:35 GMT
> > I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their drugs
> > on the public in television commercials!
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Because people don't read the fine print.

I read the fine print, and my Rheumatoid arthritis drug (Enbrel) can
cause tuberculosis, lymphoma, heart attack, and strokes.  I'll take
that chance.  At least I can move somewhat, and my furbabies can sit on
my lap when I take it.  Otherwise, I cannot even tolerate my 4 pound
cat on my lap.

> > Just goes to show you what big money kickbacks to corrupt "representatives"
> > can achieve!!
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> if you drink alcohol... :) which I know you don't. I like ibuprofen,
> it's my analgesic of choice.

Actually, tylenol can build up in a liver of a non drinker and cause
all kinds of problems, taking it strictly by labelling.  Fortuantely,
I'm allergic to it so I can't take it.  I'm also on a drug
(methotrexate) that causes liver toxicity.

> Hope you feel better soon! At least you're nice and cool indoors. :)
>
> Victor

I hope you feel better too Catnipped.  Fibro is a beeyotch, and then
some.

Smokie Darling (Annie)< < fellow Fibromite
dopekitty - 22 Jun 2005 06:58 GMT
>>>I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their drugs
>>>on the public in television commercials!
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>
> Smokie Darling (Annie)< < fellow Fibromite

Dittoed here, from another Fibro sufferer.

Kristy
Kreisleriana - 20 Jun 2005 22:08 GMT
>I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their drugs
>on the public in television commercials!
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
></rant>

This is a pet peeve of mine, too, Lori.

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~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 21 Jun 2005 00:33 GMT
> I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their drugs
> on the public in television commercials!
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> CatNipped

CatN:

I hate those commercials too.  That little Zoloft sad and then smiley dude?
I'd like to take a brick and throw it at him in *my* /tv set!!!  Of course,
it could be that it's my fibro talking....  and I'm a narcotics addict...
so I can't take the "good" stuff anymore.

AND, I quit smoking yesterday!!

When you see those commercials...  press MUTE and carry on!!!  :o)

BTW, I sure wish you'd join the alt.med.fibro group!!

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Yowie - 21 Jun 2005 01:11 GMT
> > I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their
> drugs
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> it could be that it's my fibro talking....  and I'm a narcotics addict...
> so I can't take the "good" stuff anymore.

Eh, I'm a Zoloft happy customer.

But then again, our pharmaceutical industry doens't advertise on TV. Well,
OK, they don't advertise *prescription* medicine.

Yowie
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 21 Jun 2005 01:33 GMT
> > > I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their
> > drugs
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> But then again, our pharmaceutical industry doens't advertise on TV. Well,
> OK, they don't advertise *prescription* medicine.

Don't get me wrong, Yowie!!  I am not bashing the product.  Just bashing the
theory of showing it every 10 minutes on every channel.

I'm a Buspar/Trazedone/Cymbalta customer, myself.  AND, I feel
mah-verlous!!!  ;)

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Adrian - 21 Jun 2005 10:54 GMT
> I hate those commercials too.  That little Zoloft sad and then smiley
> dude? I'd like to take a brick and throw it at him in *my* /tv set!!!
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> BTW, I sure wish you'd join the alt.med.fibro group!!

Congratulations on quitting smoking, purrs you find the strength to see
it through, I know it's not easy.

I'm glad to say drug commercials are not allowed in the UK, and I hope
they never will be.
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~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 21 Jun 2005 15:26 GMT
> > I hate those commercials too.  That little Zoloft sad and then smiley
> > dude? I'd like to take a brick and throw it at him in *my* /tv set!!!
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> I'm glad to say drug commercials are not allowed in the UK, and I hope
> they never will be.

Thanks, Adrian!!!  Support and congrats are what we quitters need to hear!!
;o)

Here's my Quit Meter stats:  (It's really cool, all I have to do is hit
control/F12 and it pops in my emails...

Laurie has quit for 2 Days, 11 hours, 10 minutes and 18 seconds (2 days). I
have saved $9.36 by not smoking 34 cigarettes. I have saved 2 hours and 50
minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 6/18/2005 11:15 PM

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Adrian - 21 Jun 2005 15:35 GMT
>>> I hate those commercials too.  That little Zoloft sad and then
>>> smiley dude? I'd like to take a brick and throw it at him in *my*
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> days). I have saved $9.36 by not smoking 34 cigarettes. I have saved
> 2 hours and 50 minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 6/18/2005 11:15 PM

I had my last cigarette 11/11/2002 5.11pm I used to smoke 60+ per day,
so far I've saved thousands, some of which was spent on the cats.
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~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 21 Jun 2005 15:48 GMT
> >>> I hate those commercials too.  That little Zoloft sad and then
> >>> smiley dude? I'd like to take a brick and throw it at him in *my*
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> I had my last cigarette 11/11/2002 5.11pm I used to smoke 60+ per day,
> so far I've saved thousands, some of which was spent on the cats.

Great to hear, Adrian!!!  Yay you!!!!!!!!!!!  :o)

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CatNipped - 22 Jun 2005 19:38 GMT
> >>> I hate those commercials too.  That little Zoloft sad and then
> >>> smiley dude? I'd like to take a brick and throw it at him in *my*
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> I had my last cigarette 11/11/2002 5.11pm I used to smoke 60+ per day,
> so far I've saved thousands, some of which was spent on the cats.

DH and I both quit in August of 2003 - and we saved enough every month to
pay for *HALF* our house note so were able to get a much nicer house than
had we continued to smoke (*AND* our new house doesn't stink of cigarette
smoke)!

Hugs,

CatNipped
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 23 Jun 2005 02:26 GMT
> > >>> I hate those commercials too.  That little Zoloft sad and then
> > >>> smiley dude? I'd like to take a brick and throw it at him in *my*
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> CatNipped

WTG, CatNipped!!!  Quitters are such great folks!

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Marina - 21 Jun 2005 15:46 GMT
> Thanks, Adrian!!!  Support and congrats are what we quitters need to hear!!
> ;o)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> have saved $9.36 by not smoking 34 cigarettes. I have saved 2 hours and 50
> minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 6/18/2005 11:15 PM

Lots of good-luck purrs on the way. I quit 11 years, 3 months and 15
days ago. Must have saved thousands since then. If I could do it, you can!

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~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 21 Jun 2005 15:46 GMT
> > Thanks, Adrian!!!  Support and congrats are what we quitters need to hear!!
> > ;o)
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Lots of good-luck purrs on the way. I quit 11 years, 3 months and 15
> days ago. Must have saved thousands since then. If I could do it, you can!

Thank you, Marina!!!  ;o)~

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wafflycat - 21 Jun 2005 22:12 GMT
> I'm glad to say drug commercials are not allowed in the UK, and I hope
> they never will be.

Over the counter drugs are... Nurofen... nicotine patches...Solpadeine..

Cheers, helen s
Adrian - 21 Jun 2005 22:37 GMT
>> I'm glad to say drug commercials are not allowed in the UK, and I
>> hope they never will be.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Cheers, helen s

I meant to say prescription drugs, my brain's seizing up.
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wafflycat - 21 Jun 2005 23:06 GMT
> I meant to say prescription drugs, my brain's seizing up.

Nurse! Mediaction! Adrian has a brain problem!!! ;-)

Cheers, helen s
Adrian - 22 Jun 2005 11:04 GMT
>> I meant to say prescription drugs, my brain's seizing up.
>
> Nurse! Mediaction! Adrian has a brain problem!!! ;-)

I've had a brain problem for years, it keeps going away on it's own. ;-)
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wafflycat - 22 Jun 2005 11:15 GMT
>>> I meant to say prescription drugs, my brain's seizing up.
>>
>> Nurse! Mediaction! Adrian has a brain problem!!! ;-)
>
> I've had a brain problem for years, it keeps going away on it's own. ;-)

Mine frequently sprouts wings and flies off into Cloud Cookoo Land ;-)

Cheers, helen s
Fi - 21 Jun 2005 14:25 GMT
> > I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their
> drugs
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> BTW, I sure wish you'd join the alt.med.fibro group!!

I wish they'd can the ED drug commercials... eeeeewwww

and muting them doesn't really help

Fi
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polonca12000 - 21 Jun 2005 22:37 GMT
What a great decision!
Lots of purrs and best wishes,
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<snip>
> AND, I quit smoking yesterday!!
>
> When you see those commercials...  press MUTE and carry on!!!  :o)
>
> BTW, I sure wish you'd join the alt.med.fibro group!!
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 22 Jun 2005 16:55 GMT
Thanks Pol.!!!  My quit meter says:

I have been a quitter for 3 Days, 12 hours, 40 minutes and 26 seconds (3
days). I have saved $13.39 by not smoking 49 cigarettes. I have saved 4
hours and 5 minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 6/18/2005 11:15 PM.

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*~*LiveLoveLaugh*~*    Aloha!!!!!

"There is no remedy for love but to love more"...
~~Henry David Thoreau

> What a great decision!
> Lots of purrs and best wishes,
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> >
> > BTW, I sure wish you'd join the alt.med.fibro group!!
Adrian - 22 Jun 2005 17:17 GMT
> Thanks Pol.!!!  My quit meter says:
>
> I have been a quitter for 3 Days, 12 hours, 40 minutes and 26 seconds
> (3 days). I have saved $13.39 by not smoking 49 cigarettes. I have
> saved 4 hours and 5 minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 6/18/2005 11:15
> PM.

Well done, Laurie. Still purring for you.
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Yoj - 23 Jun 2005 02:09 GMT
Three cheers for you!  I'm always happy when someone I know quits in time.
My late husband didn't.

Joy

P.S.  That was 19 years ago, so no expressions of sympathy are needed.

> Thanks Pol.!!!  My quit meter says:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> > >
> > > BTW, I sure wish you'd join the alt.med.fibro group!!
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 23 Jun 2005 02:28 GMT
> Three cheers for you!  I'm always happy when someone I know quits in time.
> My late husband didn't.
>
> Joy
>
> P.S.  That was 19 years ago, so no expressions of sympathy are needed.

Yeahbut, you still get them.  I'm sorry to hear of any smoking/cancer
related tradgedy...

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> > Thanks Pol.!!!  My quit meter says:
> >
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> > > >
> > > > BTW, I sure wish you'd join the alt.med.fibro group!!
Yoj - 21 Jun 2005 01:17 GMT
> I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their drugs
> on the public in television commercials!
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> CatNipped

The dangerous drugs are allowed because all drugs are dangerous.  It is a
matter of degree  The question is whether the benefit outweighs the risk.
If one out of 10,000 people has a bad reaction to the drug, that reaction
must be listed.  However, the other 9,999 people who take it make benefit
immensely.  Case in point:  Penicillin saved my life when I was nine years
old, but it has been known to kill people.

One reason the horrific possible side effects must be listed is to cut down
on lawsuits.  When I had my cataract surgery, I was handed a list of 30
possible complications, which happen to a tiny minority of people having the
surgery.  I had to read and sign that before they would operate, in case I
had one of those complications.  If  tried to sue, they'd say, "We warned
you."

Bottom line, as I said:  Do the benefits outweigh the risks?  This must be
decided on an individual basis.

Joy

Joy
Howard C. Berkowitz - 21 Jun 2005 03:36 GMT
> The dangerous drugs are allowed because all drugs are dangerous.  It is a
> matter of degree  The question is whether the benefit outweighs the risk.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> years
> old, but it has been known to kill people.

Penicillin was developed under wartime conditions, and the first tests
were on humans. Overall, the penicillin family are among our safer drugs.

Only some years later was an odd sensitivity discovered: penicillin
quickly kills guinea pigs (which are not often used in experiments).
Doesn't have this effect on any other animal, and is widely used by
veterinarians.
Ted Davis - 21 Jun 2005 01:26 GMT
>I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their drugs
>on the public in television commercials!

My remote has a "mute" button.  I use it frequently.  The drawback is
that I miss some of the program by not remembering to press it again
when the commercials are over.

If the satellite networks wanted me to hear at least some of the ads,
they would put the drug ads, and all ads featuring loud and nasty
'music' at the ends of the breaks, and the least offensive ones first
... but they don't do that.

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Sam Nash - 21 Jun 2005 01:51 GMT
> I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their
> drugs
> on the public in television commercials!

I agree with you completely.  It doesn't seem right for them to be able to
spend big bucks pushing (and raise the consumer price of) drugs your doc
may, for whatever reason, not want to prescribe.

> Sorry, the Fibro is kicking my @$$ today, but I'm trying to cut back on
> the
> Tylenols because they're bad for the liver and I have to take 2 every
> night.

Take one or more kitty-purrs and snuggles as needed.  We'll send down a few,
too (purrs, that is).

Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
Howard C. Berkowitz - 21 Jun 2005 03:33 GMT
> I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their
> drugs
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Tylenols because they're bad for the liver and I have to take 2 every
> night.

A rant of mine, even for the nonprescription drugs.  Aspirin,
acetaminophen/paracetamol, and ibuprofen all have strengths and
weaknesses. I have all of them (well, naproxen vice ibuprofen) in the
house, and use them at appropriate times.

Now, I am strongly against what is called direct-to-consumer advertising
of prescription drugs. The purpose -- when to use, and when NOT to use
-- the drugs isn't always obvious.  They drive up drug costs -- ever
seen an ad for a generic?

But to answer your point about selling drugs with potentially deadly
side effects, all of pharmacology is about balancing risk versus
benefit. There are NO completely safe drugs.

I'm not sure what drug gave the list of side effects above -- perhaps an
immunosuppressant -- but there are several aspects to look at. First,
what is the actual likelihood of the side effect?  Prescribing
information is, to some extent, written by lawyers trying to avoid
liability.  By citing every conceivable side effect (i.e., there was one
case of horribiloma among all the patients taking panaceamycin, there's
no clear biochemical way that panaceamycin causes horribiloma, but don't
sue us saying we didn't warn you).

Next, what is the danger of NOT taking the drug for a certain condition?  
For example, one of the earliest, least expensive, and widely effective
antibiotics is chloramphenicol. It will cause a fatal blood disease in
about 1 in 100,000 patients. While it's effective against many diseases,
it's fairly rarely prescribed.  If you had typhoid fever, however, you
would probably get chloramphenicol, since it is more effective against a
30% lethal disease than any other antibiotic. Chloramphenicol is sold
over-the-counter in a number of South American countries, and indeed it
causes problems.  It's inexpensive and will hit lots of infections.

I doubt you will find any advertised on TV, but there are a number of
drugs whose approved prescribing information is "black boxed" -- the
drugs are known to need a great deal of care in dosage and monitoring.
One such drug that's now in use, and was once the poster child for drug
testing and banning, is thalidomide. It turns out that thalidomide is
quite effective against a number of very serious autoimmune diseases,
and, for that matter, diseases such as leprosy that turn out to have an
autoimmune aspect.  Not only must a woman taking it use two means of
contraception, men taking it are supposed to use condoms and be sure
their female partners have effective contraception, because enough
transfers in semen to cause birth defects.
wafflycat - 21 Jun 2005 08:21 GMT
> I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their
> drugs
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> effects can include tuberculosis, lymphoma (no kidding, I just heard this
> one), heart attack, stroke", etc. etc.

Whilst I don't agree with drug companies advertising their wares in the same
way as a supermarket - we need to understand *all* medications carry side
effects and risks. Note you wrote 'possible' as regards side-effects. Some
risks sound exceedingly serious, and are, but the level of risk attached to
them actually happening can be *tiny*. We need to understand that just
because there's a (low/tiny) risk of something happening, it doesn't follow
that it will happen. As a patient, we need to be able to understand what we
are suffering from and what the risks are that are associated with what we
are prescribed, and what the risks are if we *don't* take a medication for a
given problem. For example, the pain level may be so bad that the sufferer
has little quality of life. Yes, there may be risk of different illness from
taking a medication, but the patient and his/her doctor can well understand
that the actual risks of those side-effects are low enough that the benefits
of taking the medication greatly outweigh any risks attached to it.

> For another, how can our government allow these dangerous drugs to be sold
> when that same government arrests people for selling marijuana to cancer
> patients (which, despite 30+ years of intense research that *tried* to
> prove
> its deleterious health effects, has still not been able to do so)!

Sadly, there are proven health risks attached to marijuana (greater risk of
severe mental health problems). The main reason that marijuana derived
products are not available for pain-relief is more political IMO.

Cheers, helen s
Howard C. Berkowitz - 22 Jun 2005 19:19 GMT
> > I'm so tired of listening to Pharmaceutical companies "pushing" their
> > drugs
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> follow
> that it will happen.

In comparison with what you find on consumer advertising and labels,
there is more specific and quantitative information on the probability
of side effects. Unfortunately, you have to understand the rules under
which they are written.

In general, if an effect is listed in a table with percentages, it
happens in a percentage significantly greater than 1%.  These are the
ones I primarily look for when developing expert systems to guide
physicians in prescribing.  A "common" or "frequent" side effect
typically is 1% or more.  We go down a series of narratives to "rare",
which really means "this effect has been reported in at least one
patient that took the medicine. We haven't a clue if the medicine
actually caused the problem, but we legally want to warn you it MIGHT
have caused the problem."

>As a patient, we need to be able to understand what
> we
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> severe mental health problems). The main reason that marijuana derived
> products are not available for pain-relief is more political IMO.

Ironically, dronabinol IS a synthetic version of tetrahydrocannabinol,
the chief active ingredient in marijuana. In the US, it is available, by
prescription, as a Class II controlled substance -- the most restrictive
category of prescription drugs.

There is a certain body of evidence that indicates that smoked marijuana
may be more effective, but also may have other side effects. Some of the
reasons that people tend to prefer it to a capsule are that you can
smoke while you are nauseous, and also that by smoking, you can control
the rate at which you get the drug and can control it better -- it's
like a PCA pump for postsurgical pain.

I suspect that a long-term solution may be some sort of dronabinol nasal
inhaler.

As far as mental health risks, yes, they are present.  Now, let's say
some pharmaceutical company tried to introduce a new drug that no one
had ever used before, called (ethyl) Alcohol, available in a wide
variety of flavors.  If alcohol had not been socially accepted before
there was anything like drug testing, what chance would there have been
it would even have been approved as a restricted prescription drug?

(muttered meowed comments in the background are interpreted "OK, so long
as you don't get any ideas about catnip.")
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 21 Jun 2005 17:02 GMT
I hate the spam emails I get from the US advertising "prescription"
drugs - get them cheaper than with a script, don't they know we have
the NHS here and each drug on prescription is only £6? and we don't
have to pay to see a doctor.  Anyway I would never buy a prescription
medicine without seeing a quack first!
wafflycat - 21 Jun 2005 23:06 GMT
I hate the spam emails I get from the US advertising "prescription"
drugs - get them cheaper than with a script, don't they know we have
the NHS here and each drug on prescription is only £6? and we don't
have to pay to see a doctor.  Anyway I would never buy a prescription
medicine without seeing a quack first!

Point of order m'lud ;-)

We may not pay to see a doc at point of actual doc visit, but pay we
certainly do, via our taxation system. A system I much approve of rather
than the horrid system where if you haven't got insurance you get
diddly-squat.

Yes, I also loathe stupid spam emails for drugs... Sigh...

Cheers, helen s
Pamela  Shirk - 22 Jun 2005 22:38 GMT
I hate the spam emails I get from the US advertising "prescription"
drugs - get them cheaper than with a script, don't they know we have
the NHS here and each drug on prescription is only £6? and we don't
have to pay to see a doctor.  Anyway I would never buy a prescription
medicine without seeing a quack first!

Well, I desperately need to get my Penis enlarged and/or engorged.  I also
need diabetes medications, chemo medicines, and allergy medications.  I have
hair loss, weight gain, osteoporosis (I'm sure I spelled that wrong), memory
loss (see before entry), allergies, swollen muscles, insomnia, depression,
and need to buy my medications on line from Canada.

Pam S. who is a mess
polonca12000 - 21 Jun 2005 22:36 GMT
I'm so sorry to hear you are in such pain, CN.
Lots and lots of very gentle purrs and best wishes for you to feel much
better really soon,
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> Sorry, the Fibro is kicking my @$$ today, but I'm trying to cut back on the
> Tylenols because they're bad for the liver and I have to take 2 every night.
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> CatNipped
 
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