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OT:  What's for dinner tonight?

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~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 16 Jun 2005 23:22 GMT
It's cool here (after a record heat wave for us in upstate NY), so hubby is
having a pasta dish he likes.  I like it too, but I like meat in mine
(chicken, pork or hamburgly meat).  We didn't thaw anything out, so he's
just having pasta and sauce and garlic bread.  Sauce w/out meat is toooo
"saucey" for me.

So, I'm making two BLTs for me...  w/ a huge glass of cold milk.  (And I do
believe there's carrot cake in the fridge too).

What are you having??  Are you cooking?  Ordering out?  Is it hot or cold
outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for dinner'
tastes.

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Yowie - 17 Jun 2005 01:11 GMT
> It's cool here (after a record heat wave for us in upstate NY), so hubby is
> having a pasta dish he likes.  I like it too, but I like meat in mine
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for dinner'
> tastes.

Its *freezing* here. Ok, well, what I mean as *freezing* is that the top
temperature during the day is not much over 60F (17C) and there's a cold
wind blowing.

I think this is *cold*, please don't laugh.

Anyway, besides eating take-out far too often, on cold days like this, I
love my slow-cooker. It serves us well during winter, making any number of
beef-based stews / soups. various forms of pasta is also good, and Joel's
favourite winter food is "rice-a-riso", whic I guess is simply just savoury
minced beef and rice all together with a few chopped vegies.

My own favourite winter comfort food is "murder in the snow" - where we
saute some onions and garlic, fry up some sausages and chop them into bite
size peices, and dump a can of diced tomatoes over the top, and add some
herbs and stuff. And then cook that mix for a while till it reduces and
sweetens up, and serve over lashings of buttery mashed potato. Usually, how
I serve it is to make a hole in the mashed potato and pour the tomato mix
into the centre of the mash. Hence "murder in the snow".

Mmmmmmmm....

Yowie
Karen - 17 Jun 2005 01:53 GMT
> It's cool here (after a record heat wave for us in upstate NY), so hubby is
> having a pasta dish he likes.  I like it too, but I like meat in mine
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for dinner'
> tastes.

It's always a trial when I'm not pre-prepared. I got a bagged salad and one
of those stuffed frozen fish things. It was ok, but I really need to sit
down and make a plan.
Victor Martinez - 17 Jun 2005 03:17 GMT
> What are you having??  Are you cooking?  Ordering out?  Is it hot or cold
> outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for dinner'

It's definitely hot. We hit 100 F today for the first time this year. We
don't really do dinner on weekdays, we are moving to a healthier eating
schedule, having our main meal at noon and a light meal at night. Tom
had a big salad and I had some cheese and bread. :)

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jmcquown - 22 Jun 2005 20:15 GMT
>> What are you having??  Are you cooking?  Ordering out?  Is it hot or
>> cold outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> night. Tom
> had a big salad and I had some cheese and bread. :)

When I was still working (darn, I really need to get a job) I would cook
large meals on the weekend and do exactly as you described.  My lunch would
be the biggest meal of the day, with often just a sandwich or a bowl of soup
in the evening to stave off hunger.  It's no wonder I've gained 15 pounds
since I lost my job.  My eating and sleeping patterns are all screwed up.

Jill

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~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 23 Jun 2005 02:35 GMT
> >> What are you having??  Are you cooking?  Ordering out?  Is it hot or
> >> cold outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> in the evening to stave off hunger.  It's no wonder I've gained 15 pounds
> since I lost my job.  My eating and sleeping patterns are all screwed up.

Yeahbut, it sounds so comfy.  A little extra food, a little snooze here and
there.  I haven't worked in almost 3 yrs. now.  Due to illnesses and such...
but now?  I'm ready to go back to Home Depot (just part time).  Once I get
the new puppy trained (teacup-long haired Chihuahua, and when summer is
over...  it's back to work for me!!

<wondering if they have several take your d*g to work days>

<KNOWS cats don't like 'take your cat to work day'>!!!

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Pamela  Shirk - 17 Jun 2005 04:02 GMT
> So, I'm making two BLTs for me...  w/ a huge glass of cold milk.  (And I
> do
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> outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for dinner'
> tastes.

It is still hotter than a fire cracker here.  (local high was 96F) and I did
a lot of running around.  Good news, I might be able to get my Associates of
Arts degree with emphasis on English Education in a year instead of two.  I
still have to make an appointment with my guidance counselor and see what we
can do.  I need 2 remedial maths, followed by 2 maths, 2 sciences, and 1
humanity/fine arts course.  Of course I'm going to slide all the English and
Literature courses I can in there.  Then transfer over to Fayetteville State
University, where I can, hopefully, get done as quickly as possible.  The VA
is refusing to fund any of my education as they say Rob isn't disabled
enough.  Rob says that the VA's war on vets is working in his case.

As well as going to the college and doing what I could today with it, I took
Mandy's boyfriend, Jim and his brother Jesse to pick up a book case and a
re-sized ring, donated 10 inches of hair to Locks for Love (makes wigs for
kids with diseases that caused their hair to come out) and an appointment
for Mandy to have her hair styled next month.  Tomorrow I have to go to the
grocery store and get AD&D noshes as well as what I can in groceries.  We're
celebrating Father's day with a barbeque.

So dinner tonight was ravioli and a salad.  I try not to heat up the kitchen
more than necessary when it's this blamed hot out.

Pam S.
pmendhall - 17 Jun 2005 04:37 GMT
> What are you having??  Are you cooking?  Ordering out?  Is it hot or cold
> outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for dinner'
> tastes.

Today has been relatively cool.  We decided to go out and eat.  We went to
Strouds for fried chicken served family style.  There was a choice of
chicken noodle soup or salad (I chose the soup), mashed potatoes and gravy,
green beans, and cinnamon rolls for dessert.  It was yummy.
badwilson - 17 Jun 2005 06:22 GMT
> It's cool here (after a record heat wave for us in upstate NY), so
> hubby is having a pasta dish he likes.  I like it too, but I like
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> cold outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for
> dinner' tastes.

Well, it's always hot here, 24/7/365.  Last night I sent Dennis to the
market for giant prawns but they didn't have the really big ones we
like so he came back with a BBQ'ed chicken.  I made a greek salad to
go with it.
Tonight we might go out for dinner, trying to round up a few people
for a Thai feast on the beach.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 17 Jun 2005 15:43 GMT
> What are you having??  Are you cooking?  Ordering out?  Is it hot or
> cold outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for
> dinner' tastes.

We went out to Red Robin, where I had the ensenada chicken.  It's some
tasty grilled chicken with a salad.  DH had a burger.  I actually
stopped eating when I realized I was no longer hungry, so I was able
to bring home most of the chicken.

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Karen - 17 Jun 2005 16:43 GMT
We have one of those, but I've never been to it.Hmmm. Might have to try it
this weekend.

> > What are you having??  Are you cooking?  Ordering out?  Is it hot or
> > cold outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> stopped eating when I realized I was no longer hungry, so I was able
> to bring home most of the chicken.
Monique Y. Mudama - 17 Jun 2005 16:56 GMT
> We have one of those, but I've never been to it.Hmmm. Might have to
> try it this weekend.

It's mostly burgers.  My favorite is the Banzai Burger, but it's not
exactly conducive to healthy living.  Their claim to fame is unlimited
refills on their seasoned steak fries, which are dangerously yummy.
Try them with a side of ranch for dipping!  Sinfully good.

Not exactly a health food restaurant ...

>> > What are you having??  Are you cooking?  Ordering out?  Is it hot
>> > or cold outside there?  The weather definitely effects our
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> actually stopped eating when I realized I was no longer hungry, so
>> I was able to bring home most of the chicken.

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Seanette Blaylock - 18 Jun 2005 03:21 GMT
"Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting
things to say about Re: OT:  What's for dinner tonight?:

>It's mostly burgers.  My favorite is the Banzai Burger, but it's not
>exactly conducive to healthy living.  Their claim to fame is unlimited
>refills on their seasoned steak fries, which are dangerously yummy.
>Try them with a side of ranch for dipping!  Sinfully good.
>Not exactly a health food restaurant ...

Definitely not. Red Robin once served DH (well, he was DF at the time)
a VERY rare burger. I tried to get him to send it back, but he ate it
(fortunately, didn't get sick).

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Monique Y. Mudama - 18 Jun 2005 04:58 GMT
> Definitely not. Red Robin once served DH (well, he was DF at the
> time) a VERY rare burger. I tried to get him to send it back, but he
> ate it (fortunately, didn't get sick).

My DH would probably consider that excellent service.  I swear, the
way he likes his beef, it's amazing the burger doesn't moo at him!

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Seanette Blaylock - 18 Jun 2005 05:14 GMT
"Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting
things to say about Re: OT:  What's for dinner tonight?:

>> Definitely not. Red Robin once served DH (well, he was DF at the
>> time) a VERY rare burger. I tried to get him to send it back, but he
>> ate it (fortunately, didn't get sick).
>My DH would probably consider that excellent service.  I swear, the
>way he likes his beef, it's amazing the burger doesn't moo at him!

My mother likes her steak so rare a good vet could probably pull it
through. :-)

(Rare steak, of course, does not carry the food safety hazards rare
ground beef does.)

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jmcquown - 18 Jun 2005 10:12 GMT
> "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting
> things to say about Re: OT:  What's for dinner tonight?:
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> (Rare steak, of course, does not carry the food safety hazards rare
> ground beef does.)

Oh well then, I guess I should have died years ago.  I want my burger medium
rare.  Irritates me to no end that someone tells me I have to have a well
done burger.  Uh huh.  Why would you think rare steak doesn't have the same
implications as the same thing in ground form?

Jill
Victor Martinez - 18 Jun 2005 14:12 GMT
> done burger.  Uh huh.  Why would you think rare steak doesn't have the same
> implications as the same thing in ground form?

Surface area available for bacterial growth is much higher in ground
meat that in whole muscle meat.

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jmcquown - 18 Jun 2005 16:14 GMT
>> done burger.  Uh huh.  Why would you think rare steak doesn't have
>> the same implications as the same thing in ground form?
>
> Surface area available for bacterial growth is much higher in ground
> meat that in whole muscle meat.

Perhaps.  But if the meat is kept well chilled prior to cooking this
shouldn't really be a factor.

I grew up in an era where we didn't panic over food being undercooked or
even necessarily refrigerated.  Kids took sandwiches made with lunchmeat to
school in a brown paper bag, wrapped in waxed paper.  No cooler-paks back in
those days.  Lunch sat in a bag in your desk for 4 hours until it was time
to eat.  I don't recall anyone ever getting sick and certainly not dying
from eating their room temp lunches.

A former co-worker took it even further than this.  She grew up on a farm in
Northwest Tennessee.  On Saturdays her mother would start making lunch right
after breakfast.  Fried chicken, mashed potatoes, gravy, pole beans, corn on
the cob, cornbread.  She'd set it on the table and throw a cloth over it and
when the men came in from the fields "supper" was waiting for them.  It sat
on the table at room temp for a couple of hours and no one got sick.

Jill
Victor Martinez - 18 Jun 2005 16:33 GMT
> Perhaps.  But if the meat is kept well chilled prior to cooking this
> shouldn't really be a factor.

If there has been little contamination during the grinding and storing
process, I agree the risk is minimal.

> I grew up in an era where we didn't panic over food being undercooked or
> even necessarily refrigerated.  Kids took sandwiches made with lunchmeat to

True. However, food was not produced by huge corporations and shipped
huge distances like it is today. Fresh food lasts a whole lot longer
than food packed in a plant hundreds of miles away. :)

> when the men came in from the fields "supper" was waiting for them.  It sat
> on the table at room temp for a couple of hours and no one got sick.

Yup. That's the beauty of eating in season and fresh.

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mlbriggs - 29 Jun 2005 05:08 GMT
>>> done burger.  Uh huh.  Why would you think rare steak doesn't have the
>>> same implications as the same thing in ground form?
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Jill

IMHO germs are deadlier today, having become that way from antibiotics
used in cattle feed , etc.   As a child, we had an ice box.  A man
delivered big squares of ice every so often.  But then my mother had to go
to the store daily  for meat and vegetables.  People got "upset" stomachs,
but I was always the one who upchucked  and got the trots. MLB
Mary - 29 Jun 2005 16:15 GMT
"mlbriggs" <mlbriggs@nospam.com> wrote :

> IMHO germs are deadlier today, having become that way from antibiotics
> used in cattle feed , etc.   As a child, we had an ice box.  A man
> delivered big squares of ice every so often.  But then my mother had to go
> to the store daily  for meat and vegetables.  People got "upset" stomachs,
> but I was always the one who upchucked  and got the trots. MLB

The trots! What a funny but accurate term! By the way, one of my
grandfathers delivered ice as a young man, for his first job. He used
to talk about the ice boxes and the big tongs used to pick the ice up.
Cheryl Perkins - 29 Jun 2005 16:40 GMT
> IMHO germs are deadlier today, having become that way from antibiotics
> used in cattle feed , etc.   As a child, we had an ice box.  A man
> delivered big squares of ice every so often.  But then my mother had to go
> to the store daily  for meat and vegetables.  People got "upset" stomachs,
> but I was always the one who upchucked  and got the trots. MLB

We also tend not to remember minor illnesses, particularly when they
happened to someone else. People often used to get 'summer' illnesses,
some of which could probably be traced to contaminated food.

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W. Leong - 01 Jul 2005 16:58 GMT
As a child, we didn't have an ice box or fridge. Grocery shopping
is 2x a day. Got fresh stuff from the market. Leftover were covered
and put in a cupboard away from any flies or ants.

Winnie

>>>> done burger.  Uh huh.  Why would you think rare steak doesn't have the
>>>> same implications as the same thing in ground form?
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> to the store daily  for meat and vegetables.  People got "upset" stomachs,
> but I was always the one who upchucked  and got the trots. MLB
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 Jun 2005 17:20 GMT
>> done burger.  Uh huh.  Why would you think rare steak doesn't have
>> the same implications as the same thing in ground form?
>
> Surface area available for bacterial growth is much higher in ground
> meat that in whole muscle meat.

Ground beef is also composed of many, many cows, so contamination
risks are higher.  With steak you only have to worry about the one cow
you're eating.

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Seanette Blaylock - 18 Jun 2005 17:25 GMT
"jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> had some very interesting things
to say about Re: OT:  What's for dinner tonight?:

>> (Rare steak, of course, does not carry the food safety hazards rare
>> ground beef does.)
>Oh well then, I guess I should have died years ago.  I want my burger medium
>rare.  Irritates me to no end that someone tells me I have to have a well
>done burger.  Uh huh.  Why would you think rare steak doesn't have the same
>implications as the same thing in ground form?

Oh, everything I've ever read about food safety. :-)

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jmcquown - 17 Jun 2005 18:56 GMT
> It's cool here (after a record heat wave for us in upstate NY), so
> hubby is having a pasta dish he likes.  I like it too, but I like
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> cold outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for
> dinner' tastes.

A day late and a dollar short but I'm home for the afternoon :)  I'll be
cooking tonight.  My LLL will be hot, tired and probably grouchy after the
show today.  The hotel room we have has a kitchen and we're having a regular
cold snap (it's only 79F today!).  I'll be preparing pan-fried bay scallops
with couscous on the side.  I'll stir in some broccoli, carrots, garlic and
whatever else I can think of to perk up the plain couscous.  Steamed
broccoli on the side and slices of sourdough bread.

Jill
Marina - 18 Jun 2005 07:52 GMT
> What are you having??  Are you cooking?  Ordering out?  Is it hot or cold
> outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for dinner'
> tastes.

It's been pretty hot here in Helsinki the last few days, and I'd rather
have just a salad or something, but I thought it would be a good idea to
try and empty my food stores before moving in August, so I won't have so
much to move. So today, I'm making some concoction with chick peas, red
lentils, curry paste and coconut milk. Probably served over rice. That
should empty a few bags and boxes. But too hot for this kind of weather!
When I've emptied the pantry, the freezer is next.

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jmcquown - 18 Jun 2005 10:09 GMT
>> What are you having??  Are you cooking?  Ordering out?  Is it hot or
>> cold outside there?  The weather definitely effects our 'what's for
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> for this kind of weather! When I've emptied the pantry, the freezer
> is next.

Sounds good - I love chick peas and lentils; I'd turn that into a soup!  Hot
food is really the best thing in hot weather.  Evens out the body
temperature to coincide with the outside temps.  Just add some ice cream at
the end of the meal and a hug from Frank or Miranda and everything is
purrrfect :)

Jill
Marina - 19 Jun 2005 04:51 GMT
> Sounds good - I love chick peas and lentils; I'd turn that into a soup!  Hot
> food is really the best thing in hot weather.  Evens out the body
> temperature to coincide with the outside temps.  Just add some ice cream at
> the end of the meal and a hug from Frank or Miranda and everything is
> purrrfect :)

I took your advice and made it into a soup. First I crackled some
mustard seeds and a chopped chilli in a little oil. Then added the curry
paste and heated it a moment. Then veggies (what I happened to have in
the fridge; carrots, zucchini) and the (already cooked) chick peas and
sauteed them a moment. Then added a little pureed tomato and let that
get warm (I find the taste of pureed tomato comes out much better if you
sautee it a bit). Then added water and lentils and cooked until
everything was tender. Then a can of coconut milk, heated it up. Dish
out and eat. Mmmm! (if I say so myself).

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Marina - 19 Jun 2005 05:53 GMT
>Then veggies (what I happened to have in
> the fridge; carrots, zucchini) and the (already cooked) chick peas and
> sauteed them a moment.

Forgot to mention the spring onions, sauteed with the veggies.

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jmcquown - 21 Jun 2005 18:32 GMT
>  >Then veggies (what I happened to have in
>> the fridge; carrots, zucchini) and the (already cooked) chick peas
>> and sauteed them a moment.
>
> Forgot to mention the spring onions, sauteed with the veggies.

Sounds exactly like what I'd have done!  Over on alt.binaries.food they call
this sort of dish "musgovian" - as in, whatever is in the fridge must go in!

Jill
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 21 Jun 2005 21:52 GMT
> > Sounds good - I love chick peas and lentils; I'd turn that into a soup!  Hot
> > food is really the best thing in hot weather.  Evens out the body
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> everything was tender. Then a can of coconut milk, heated it up. Dish
> out and eat. Mmmm! (if I say so myself).

I have never ever even thought of having hot chick peas.  I love them cold
w/cottage cheese and fresh `maters.  Is sautéing them a Helsinki, Finland
thing, Marina??

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Marina - 22 Jun 2005 03:52 GMT
>>>Sounds good - I love chick peas and lentils; I'd turn that into a soup!
>
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> w/cottage cheese and fresh `maters.  Is sautéing them a Helsinki, Finland
> thing, Marina??

LOL! Well, since Jill said she would have done the same, I think not.
It's not necessary to sautee them, I just threw them in at the same time
as the veggies, but you can add them after adding the water just as
well. Never had hot chick peas? I seldom have them cold, except if I
make a humus. Oh, I do have a recipe for a salad with chick peas and
Feta cheese.

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~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 22 Jun 2005 16:58 GMT
> >>>Sounds good - I love chick peas and lentils; I'd turn that into a soup!
> >
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> make a humus. Oh, I do have a recipe for a salad with chick peas and
> Feta cheese.

Yum!!  I'm hungry and I have cottage cheese and chick peas!!  Cold, but I'd
try them w/sautéed veggies any old day!!  Thanks for the idea, Marina!!
Have a great day!

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Monique Y. Mudama - 29 Jun 2005 15:39 GMT
> I have never ever even thought of having hot chick peas.  I love
> them cold w/cottage cheese and fresh `maters.  Is sautéing them a
> Helsinki, Finland thing, Marina??

Chickpeas over rice is pretty popular at kabob places, which are I
think middle eastern?  That was my favorite thing about eating at
them.  (I say "was" because you couldn't walk ten paces in the DC area
without running into a kabob place, but here in Boulder I can't find
one to save my life.)

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Victor Martinez - 18 Jun 2005 14:13 GMT
> It's been pretty hot here in Helsinki the last few days, and I'd rather

Excuse me? Low 20's (Celcius) is not pretty hot! ;-) It's downright chilly.

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Christina Websell - 19 Jun 2005 03:43 GMT
>> It's been pretty hot here in Helsinki the last few days, and I'd rather
>
> Excuse me? Low 20's (Celcius) is not pretty hot! ;-) It's downright
> chilly.

Low 20's is hot here in the UK too.    The humidity factor might make a
difference.   It was 24+C here today.  You might laugh compared with what
you have but I went to bed at 10 pm and had to get up at 11.30 as I was
pouring with sweat just lying on top of the bed and my hair was wet through.
It is now 20 to 4 in the morning, a bit cooler and I'm going to make another
attempt at it.
We Brits are not used to it.  We don't have air conditioning as a rule (it's
not worth it for a few days a year.)

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Victor Martinez - 19 Jun 2005 03:59 GMT
> Low 20's is hot here in the UK too.    The humidity factor might make a
> difference.   It was 24+C here today.  You might laugh compared with what

It is 10pm and the temperature is 31C. :) Then again, we do have A/C, so
it's not bad when you're indoors. It's the going outside that kills you.

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badwilson - 19 Jun 2005 04:29 GMT
>>> It's been pretty hot here in Helsinki the last few days, and I'd
>>> rather
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> with what you have but I went to bed at 10 pm and had to get up at
> 11.30 as I was pouring with sweat just lying on top of the bed and
my
> hair was wet through. It is now 20 to 4 in the morning, a bit cooler
> and I'm going to make another attempt at it.
> We Brits are not used to it.  We don't have air conditioning as a
> rule (it's not worth it for a few days a year.)
>
> Tweed

We have A/C here in Thailand (couldn't live without it) but even with
it on in the bedroom all night long, the temp in the room is 23C at 8
am.  At that temp, I am huddled under the covers, shivering and
goosebumps.  Vino has freezing cold ears, pawpads and nose.
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Marina - 19 Jun 2005 04:45 GMT
>> It's been pretty hot here in Helsinki the last few days, and I'd rather
>
> Excuse me? Low 20's (Celcius) is not pretty hot! ;-) It's downright chilly.

Chilly? No, chilly is -20 C. :oP

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W. Leong - 20 Jun 2005 19:49 GMT
>>> It's been pretty hot here in Helsinki the last few days, and I'd rather
>>
>> Excuse me? Low 20's (Celcius) is not pretty hot! ;-) It's downright
>> chilly.
>>
> Chilly? No, chilly is -20 C. :oP

Rusty and I agreed. Don't remind me of winter.  Spring and fall are
too short here.

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