> > Just as a point of interest to a topic which has been discussed here in
> > the past, I see the autopsy results on Terri Schiavo are published.
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> It
> just makes me very sad.
I don't intend to start a debate either -- but if I am ever in similar
circumstances, the original intent to remove the feeding tube is exactly
what I would have wanted for myself. Actually, with that level of brain
damage, I would not have wanted it inserted.
Of course dehydration was the immeediate cause of death. People in
hospice programs frequently elect to stop hydration, and, as long as
they get appropriate nursing care, is rarely considered uncomfortable.
Christina Websell - 15 Jun 2005 22:03 GMT
>> > Just as a point of interest to a topic which has been discussed here in
>> > the past, I see the autopsy results on Terri Schiavo are published.
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> hospice programs frequently elect to stop hydration, and, as long as
> they get appropriate nursing care, is rarely considered uncomfortable.
Oh, now you make me laugh, Howard. As long as they get appropriate nursing
care. Yes. We are all very comfortable if we get appropriate nursing care.
This has not been my recent experience.
And anyway, how would a patient in TS situation be able to indicate that
they found it uncomfortable?
No, I am arguing about it again. Forget it. It still gets me going if I
think too much about it.
Tweed
Adrian - 15 Jun 2005 22:07 GMT
>>>> Just as a point of interest to a topic which has been discussed
>>>> here in the past, I see the autopsy results on Terri Schiavo are
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>
> Tweed
Think about cats, chickens and other animals, much nicer. I can hear a
songthrush still singing, nearly 10.10

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Howard C. Berkowitz - 15 Jun 2005 23:48 GMT
> >> > Just as a point of interest to a topic which has been discussed here
> >> > in
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> No, I am arguing about it again. Forget it. It still gets me going if I
> think too much about it.
I suggest we drop it. I don't know what's wrong with the British system.
I could answer your points, but I don't see any advantage.
It makes me just as angry.
Yoj - 16 Jun 2005 00:17 GMT
> > > Just as a point of interest to a topic which has been discussed here in
> > > the past, I see the autopsy results on Terri Schiavo are published.
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> what I would have wanted for myself. Actually, with that level of brain
> damage, I would not have wanted it inserted.
I agree completely. It seems to me that this paragraph should answer a lot
of questions - and arguments about what was appropriate:
"Schiavo's brain weighed about half of what a healthy human brain would,
Thogmartin said. "Her brain was profoundly atrophied ... This damage was
irreversible."
Joy
Cheryl Perkins - 16 Jun 2005 11:59 GMT
> I agree completely. It seems to me that this paragraph should answer a lot
> of questions - and arguments about what was appropriate:
> "Schiavo's brain weighed about half of what a healthy human brain would,
> Thogmartin said. "Her brain was profoundly atrophied ... This damage was
> irreversible."
It doesn't answer questions or settle arguments unless your questions and
arguments were from a particular perspective; one which assumes that
degree and reversability of damage were relevant. Which is why this is
such a delicate and painful topic, and best left alone.

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KittyLady - 16 Jun 2005 12:50 GMT
This whole story just drives home the fact that we all need Living
Wills (not sure what they are called outside of the USA) and in those
wills we need to be very specific. Not only write it down but we also
need to tell others in our family about our wishes.
KittyLady
P.S. the only thing we know for sure is that Terri is happy, painfree
and complete now!
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 12 Sep 2005 23:19 GMT
> I don't intend to start a debate either -- but if I am ever in similar
> circumstances, the original intent to remove the feeding tube is exactly
> what I would have wanted for myself. Actually, with that level of brain
> damage, I would not have wanted it inserted.
Precisely! Mere physical "existence" (animal or human) with
no ability to function as a living being aware of being
alive is no life at all!
Those for and those against in the Schiavo controversy are
unlikely to change their minds, so please, everybody, let's
put it to rest! We seem to have gotten rid of the flood of
gibberish posts (I hope my e-mail to Newsguys helped) -
let's not set up a "flood" of our own with a fruitless
revival of our conflicting views on something that, for
better or worse, is now part of the past.
Mr. Kwazy Catz Executive Vice President UTB - 12 Sep 2005 23:56 GMT
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) bent over and whined:
>> I don't intend to start a debate either -- but if I am ever in similar
>> circumstances, the original intent to remove the feeding tube is exactly
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>unlikely to change their minds, so please, everybody, let's
>put it to rest! We seem to have gotten rid of the flood of
BWAHAWAHAWAHAWAHAWA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
idiot
>gibberish posts (I hope my e-mail to Newsguys helped) -
>let's not set up a "flood" of our own with a fruitless
>revival of our conflicting views on something that, for
>better or worse, is now part of the past.
Howie, why don't you suck a tennis ball through a 50' garden hose.
Let us know how it goes ;)
Christina Websell - 14 Sep 2005 23:27 GMT
>> I don't intend to start a debate either -- but if I am ever in similar
>> circumstances, the original intent to remove the feeding tube is exactly
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> revival of our conflicting views on something that, for better or worse,
> is now part of the past.
I didn't see any post that started this debate again.
Tweed
Howard C. Berkowitz - 15 Sep 2005 00:14 GMT
> >> I don't intend to start a debate either -- but if I am ever in similar
> >> circumstances, the original intent to remove the feeding tube is
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>
> Tweed
I was rather puzzled myself.