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NYT yesterday on cats and d*gs
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Norm - 06 Jun 2005 18:47 GMT http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/business/yourmoney/05lunch.html?pagewanted=print
Interview with the president of Iams with some advice from his own experience (so nice the exec of an animals products firm loves animals)
* Don't assume that obesity is any healthier for pets than it is for people. For a cat, the ribs are the best indicator: if you can see them, the cat's too skinny; if you can't put your fingers between them, it's too fat
* Don't believe the myth that animals will naturally eat what's best for them. Dry food, for example, is better for a dog's or cat's teeth than wet food, and usually costs a lot less. "But wet food gets the lip-smackin', tail-waggin' reaction, and owners give in" (ED: had to give my guys canned because first Max then Beast needed extra protein...I still do because someone's been trained :-) but the 4 share a small can per meal and love it, many snacks of kibble in between, Loos and Case are too fat in spite of restrictions)
* Use Pavlov as a guide for training. If you want the pet to come running at meal time, noisily shake something - the food itself, if it's dry - in a container. The pet will soon learn to associate the noise with the food, and to come whenever it hears it. But don't forget the dark side of Pavlovian conditioning: feed a dog or cat from the table, and it will quickly learn that annoying you at meal time brings nice rewards. (ED: my guys come when I whistle, to watch Willie now Quinn come racing from wherever they are on the property is a hoot!)
* Recognize that pets can suffer from allergies, too. If your dog or cat licks its paws a lot, gnaws at its own skin, loses clumps of hair or seems prone to ear infections, its diet may be to blame.
* Buy pet health insurance. Surgery and hospitalization for pets can run into the thousands of dollars, yet Mr. Ansell said that fewer than 1 percent of American pet owners are insured against them. The cost for insuring a kitten or puppy is in the ballpark of $25 a month - and that includes many vaccinations. (ED: I don't agree but there you are)
and for dogs specifically: * Don't get two puppies at the same time. "Dogs are by nature pack animals, so they'll bond with each other instead of the family," Mr. Ansell said. And do not even think of obedience school before a puppy is at least three months old. "Better it should bond with the family before it socializes with other dogs
* Know why you want a dog, and pick a breed accordingly. If you want a fierce guard dog that's also a loving companion, go for a German shepherd or even a Rottweiler. If you'd rather have big and gentle, Leonbergers do the trick. If you are a neatnik or are allergic to pet dander, pick a nonshedding dog like a soft-coated Wheaton terrier, a Kerry blue or a poodle. Special alert: Mexican hairless dogs shed skin, which can prompt allergic reactions. And avoid Newfoundlands if drooling bothers you.
-- "The web has got me caught. I'd rather have the blues than what I've got." <via Nat King Cole>
Hopitus - 06 Jun 2005 20:09 GMT Your post has much useful 411 and food for thought, Norm.....therefore I forgive you for comparing our beloved short furry bosses w/Pavlov's d-pets! Never, even upon noise of dry-food bag being shaken, have I seen Deadly Duo slavering, salivating, rolling around on floor (remember, I used to have an Akita) and engaging in other foot-licking antics of d-pets @ sight/sound of food. How are you enjoying summer in your northern retreat?
> X-No-Archive: Yes > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > "The web has got me caught. I'd rather have the blues than what I've > got." <via Nat King Cole> Norm - 06 Jun 2005 21:19 GMT > Your post has much useful 411 and food for thought, Norm.....therefore I > forgive you for comparing our beloved short furry bosses w/Pavlov's d-pets! > Never, even upon noise of dry-food bag being shaken, have I seen Deadly Duo > slavering, salivating, rolling around on floor Well, there's Quinn, heh. No, kidding, tho the only time Quinn talks is when dinner is being spooned: "HURRY UP! I'm Starving!"
Serious. There is behavioral conditioning, much as we try to forget Psych 101, heh. When Max had to go on special diet he always got fed first and the others didn't touch his food (of course, he was senior and topcat besides!). Since then the cats are always fed in arrival order and they understand and obey (well, sometimes Case has to be pushed away). They respect "elders" and it made possible feeding Beast his doctored food without the others getting something bad for them. So I keep doing it against the day that I hope never comes.
> food. How are you enjoying summer in your northern > retreat? Not getting as many tasks done as I should, but happy -maybe that's why
:-) We just had a short but vicious thunderstorm through, Quinn is still in hiding
-- Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps. Emo Phillips
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Jun 2005 20:53 GMT > * Don't believe the myth that animals will naturally eat what's best > for them. Dry food, for example, is better for a dog's or cat's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the 4 share a small can per meal and love it, many snacks of kibble > in between, Loos and Case are too fat in spite of restrictions) Except that a lot of people, including my vet, now believe that cats don't benefit from dry food much if at all, the carb content affects their health, and wet food helps get cats the hydration they need, which they rarely get for themselves by drinking.
Oscar became a much livelier, more kittenish cat when I switched her to canned food. One day, I was out of canned and fed her dry -- the poor girl was just lolling around all day. She looked queasy, and her tummy was making some strange noises. I'm a canned-food believer now.
 Signature monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully
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Norm - 06 Jun 2005 21:22 GMT > Except that a lot of people, including my vet, now believe that cats > don't benefit from dry food much if at all, the carb content affects [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > poor girl was just lolling around all day. She looked queasy, and her > tummy was making some strange noises. I'm a canned-food believer now. There's no going back for me now but I do believe kibble helps their teeth so I straddle both camps - Max and Beast had dry most of their long lives and their teeth were great.
-- I don't do drugs anymore. I find I get the same effect just by standing up really fast! Anon
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 07 Jun 2005 00:03 GMT President of Iams loves animals? Then why do they vivisect them to test out their new products, talk about double standards!
Christina Websell - 09 Jun 2005 18:25 GMT >> * Don't believe the myth that animals will naturally eat what's best >> for them. Dry food, for example, is better for a dog's or cat's [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > poor girl was just lolling around all day. She looked queasy, and her > tummy was making some strange noises. I'm a canned-food believer now. Once I realised in '94 that Kitty FC had chosen my garden to live in, so was homeless, I fed her on canned food twice daily. She had to eat it in the garden though, because I still had cat-unfriendly dogs. Boyfriend came in 2003 as a firmly committed dry food kitty. Reading here that it can be bad for boycats, I am weaning him off it by feeding canned with a little dry on top, only a sprinkle. He still loves dry best, so I presume he must have been brought up on it in his previous home. As he knows the cupboard that I keep it in, sometimes when he just MUST have some he goes to the door of it and headbutts it. If I take no notice, he stretches up in front of the cupboard towards the worktop and puts his claws out. There is no mistaking what he means, so I just give him a couple of tablespoonsful..
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Adrian - 09 Jun 2005 18:17 GMT >>> * Don't believe the myth that animals will naturally eat what's best >>> for them. Dry food, for example, is better for a dog's or cat's [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Tweed Baggy much prefers dry food, I give him canned every day but he usually walks away and Snoopy eats it. He seems quite healthy, so I'm not too concerned at the moment.
 Signature Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.
Karen - 09 Jun 2005 19:30 GMT > >>> * Don't believe the myth that animals will naturally eat what's best > >>> for them. Dry food, for example, is better for a dog's or cat's [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > walks away and Snoopy eats it. He seems quite healthy, so I'm not too > concerned at the moment. The most interesting thing is that Sugar likes dry and I can't get her on wet no matter what I try. Pearl eats mostly wet. Now, I see Sugar drinking water all the time, so I know she gets plenty. However, Pearl has a far greater urinary output. It shows to go you that water is just not used in the same way when drunk alone with dry or getting it through canned.
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