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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / June 2005Oscar needs to go to the vet ...
She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting it will keep happening. Poor kitty. Although, truth be told, she doesn't seem to notice it. It sure doesn't look very nice.  Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode > over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting it > will keep happening. Poor kitty. Although, truth be told, she > doesn't seem to notice it. It sure doesn't look very nice. Awww. Healing purrs. > doesn't seem to notice it. It sure doesn't look very nice. Lots of purrs for Oscar. Les us know what happens. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> doesn't seem to notice it. It sure doesn't look very nice. > > Lots of purrs for Oscar. Les us know what happens. Thanks. The vet confirmed that this is likely to be a recurring issue. I asked about skipping the steroid shots and just letting it run its course, but she suspected that would just allow it to get a lot worse. We agreed to only do one shot this time, though, and see if it really does go away without the follow-up shot. Oscar is back to her pre-switching-to-canned weight, but noticably less fluffy and more muscular. As with humans, raw weight only tells part of the story. As this lip thing never flared up until I switched her to canned, and she'll only eat one of two flavors of Wellness canned, we talked about switching her back to dry, but she's so much more energetic and alert now that I'd hate to do that. It's not even certain that it would help. Even if the canned *is* the issue, I (and the vet) honestly think she's better off on canned with a flare-up now and then than on dry with no flare-up. Oscar has no idea what all the fuss is about and wishes I wouldn't insist on imprisoning her and taking her to the scary place. I literally caught her napping, and she was most displeased to find I had picked her up just for *this*. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Hi Monique, What type of food and water bowls do you use? My Squeek had a large rodent ulcer on her top lip, and it went away after I changed their food bowls from plastic to stainless steel and glass. The theory is plastic is hard to clean, and therefore harbors bacteria which aggravate the ulcer. It is just a thought. Patti <Oscar has no idea what all the fuss is about and wishes I wouldn't insist on imprisoning her and taking her to the scary place. I literally caught her napping, and she was most displeased to find I had picked her up just for *this*. > > Hi Monique, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Patti Oscar has always had plastic water bowls. Until last year, she had a plastic food dish, but now that I'm feeding her canned, she actually gets fed from small human plates (typical ceramic/pottery) deal. However ... I did switch her from an older plastic bowl to a newer plastic bowl for water before she got her first ulcer. Maybe I should try changing the water situation and see if that helps. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > Hi Monique, > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Oscar has always had plastic water bowls. Monique--you definitely should toss the plastic water dish. Bacteria aggravate this condition. The one time Cheeks got the mouth sore was at a time when I had a plastic water bowl and did not wash it every day in hot water. (She generally gets linear granuloma.) > Monique--you definitely should toss the plastic water dish. Bacteria > aggravate this condition. The one time Cheeks got the mouth sore was > at a time when I had a plastic water bowl and did not wash it every > day in hot water. (She generally gets linear granuloma.) It's just that she's had them for years ... like, her whole life. But yeah. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > Monique--you definitely should toss the plastic water dish. Bacteria > > aggravate this condition. The one time Cheeks got the mouth sore was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > But yeah. It's a little thing, but it might help. Because EGC is allergy related, you can try other things, such as cutting back on common allergens: no perfumed litter (or LESS perfumed, which works for us) keeping Oscar away from things like bathroom cleaners while you are using them.I stopped wearing perfume. The same things that affect asthma effect EGC. For example, it is always when Cheeks begins coughing (a sure sign of a coming asthma attack) when the bumps appear on the back of her legs or her lip. Keep the dust bunnies up a bit better or at least try! That seems to have helped her and also me as I am allergic to dust mold and cats. As for the food thing you are definitely on to something there. Iams gives Cheeks problems, but FF does not, go figure. So if I were you I might change foods--but from whatever canned you are using to ANOTHER kind of canned, as canned is so much better. I love the belly shots, btw. Your Oscar is the same shape my Gnarly was, the way her fur is, I mean. Gnarly was gray too but lighter. She also had the lovely blonde on her. She was a lilac cream dilute tortie, does that sound like a sinful dessert or what? :) > It's a little thing, but it might help. Because EGC is allergy > related, you can try other things, such as cutting back on common [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a bit better or at least try! That seems to have helped her and also > me as I am allergic to dust mold and cats. I've switched to unscented litter already (though again, she had it forever with no apparent adverse effects; it just annoyed ME); we have a cleaning service, and Oscar hides in the basement while they're here; I've never worn perfume or cosmetics, and I don't even use hair products like hair spray or gel. Having a cleaning service has definitely improved the cleanliness of our house, which I think will be healthier for all of us, Oscar included. We did just remove the frame from the bed, so that we're sleeping with the boxspring on the floor, so that's one less place for dust to settle. > As for the food thing you are definitely on to something there. Iams > gives Cheeks problems, but FF does not, go figure. So if I were you > I might change foods--but from whatever canned you are using to > ANOTHER kind of canned, as canned is so much better. Yeah, but ... ugh, FF! I may try, but so far she's rejected everything canned except for Wellness. I'll try changing bowls, though. > I love the belly shots, btw. Your Oscar is the same shape my Gnarly > was, the way her fur is, I mean. Gnarly was gray too but lighter. > She also had the lovely blonde on her. She was a lilac cream dilute > tortie, does that sound like a sinful dessert or what? >:) Haha, yeah! Mom keeps asking me what breed Oscar is, because she has "such a beautiful face." I tell her I don't know, but I agree. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > It's a little thing, but it might help. Because EGC is allergy > > related, you can try other things, such as cutting back on common [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > here; I've never worn perfume or cosmetics, and I don't even use hair > products like hair spray or gel. You didn't seem like the type to! > Having a cleaning service has definitely improved the cleanliness of > our house, which I think will be healthier for all of us, Oscar > included. I'll tell you, I had a cleaning service for a few years--actually, three. They kept breaking things, and it got to the point that I spent almost as much time preparing for them than I would have cleaning my own house. And then there is the intrusion. Neither I nor my husband liked having strangers in the house that regularly-- though the ladies were very nice. And another thing: they never moved anything when they cleaned, how is that cleaning? When I vacuum my bedroom it always means pulling out the furniture to get the dust rhinos behind the night stands. Otherwise, why bother, you know? (It is big and heavy but moves easily on sliders on hardwood floors.) Anyway, in the end, after an irreplaceable vase was broken (sentimentally so, as all my things are, I don't care about the financial value) we went back to doing it ourselves. I make him help me, though!! :) > We did just remove the frame from the bed, so that we're sleeping with > the boxspring on the floor, so that's one less place for dust to > settle. I'm curious, why did you do this? I have had beds down on the floor before, but is there supposed to be some benefit? Mine is one of those ones you have to climb on a thing to get to, and I love that it is up really high because it is so easy to vacumm under. > > As for the food thing you are definitely on to something there. Iams > > gives Cheeks problems, but FF does not, go figure. So if I were you > > I might change foods--but from whatever canned you are using to > > ANOTHER kind of canned, as canned is so much better. > > Yeah, but ... ugh, FF! Well, year, but how about no mouth lesions or bumps or asthma attacks for 4-6 months? That's what FF does for Cheeks. I would feed her doggie doo if it had that effect! ;) > I may try, but so far she's rejected everything canned except for > Wellness. I'll try changing bowls, though. That is going to be a big change for the better, with the lip lesions. As for Wellness, you just like it because it smells better to you! Plus, as you may have seen in the h+b discussions, its formula has changed. > > I love the belly shots, btw. Your Oscar is the same shape my Gnarly > > was, the way her fur is, I mean. Gnarly was gray too but lighter. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Mom keeps asking me what breed Oscar is, because she has "such a > beautiful face." I tell her I don't know, but I agree. She really is lovely. She has that "mane" effect aht Gnarly had, and I can tell she is just as soft. Gnarly had the softest fur I have ever felt on anything. I still miss her, wretched beastie that she was! ;) > And another thing: they never moved anything when they cleaned, how > is that cleaning? When I vacuum my bedroom it always means pulling [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > are, I don't care about the financial value) we went back to doing > it ourselves. I make him help me, though!! :) To be honest, good intentions aside, the reality is that we just don't clean. Left to our own devices, we live in a pigsty. Having a cleaning service, even if they don't get all the nooks and crannies, is better than nothing at all. So far, nothing broken, and there's not much that can be broken. They're always the same two people, so that makes me feel better about having someone in the house. It does force us to neaten things up, which is a good thing. >> We did just remove the frame from the bed, so that we're sleeping >> with the boxspring on the floor, so that's one less place for dust [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > those ones you have to climb on a thing to get to, and I love that > it is up really high because it is so easy to vacumm under. We had one of those cheap, free with the mattress metal frames, and it squeaked and swayed with every movement. I'm pretty sure I half-woke all the time during the night, even if I don't remember it. I was thinking we needed a new bed, but my aunt mentioned that she hasn't yet gotten a frame for her new bed and it's fine ... so I decided to try that approach. I feel much more comfortable and am definitely sleeping better, so it must be helping. I've done this with a cheap mattress and no box spring (when I lived with my brother, we couldn't get my queen-sized box spring thingie up the stairs), and I *don't* recommend that. This is a good mattress with a sturdy support, just no metal frame. > Well, year, but how about no mouth lesions or bumps or asthma > attacks for 4-6 months? That's what FF does for Cheeks. I would feed > her doggie doo if it had that effect! ;) Yeah, but Oscar thus far has gotten a small lesion twice, about 6 months apart, and has no asthma ... so it's a different situation. If Oscar's health issues become more dire, I'm sure I'll change my tune. > She really is lovely. She has that "mane" effect aht Gnarly had, and > I can tell she is just as soft. Gnarly had the softest fur I have > ever felt on anything. I still miss her, wretched beastie that she > was! ;) Oscar's a wretched beastie, too, but I love her! Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode > over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting it > will keep happening. Poor kitty. Although, truth be told, she > doesn't seem to notice it. It sure doesn't look very nice. Purrs on the way for Oscar. And some anti-worry purrs on the way for you, too. Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe How frustrating for you -- purrs for you both. Christine > She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode > over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting it > will keep happening. Poor kitty. Although, truth be told, she > doesn't seem to notice it. It sure doesn't look very nice. > She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode > over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting it > will keep happening. Poor kitty. Although, truth be told, she > doesn't seem to notice it. It sure doesn't look very nice. Poor baby. Many purrs. SignatureMarina, Frank and Miranda. In loving memory of Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode > over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting it > will keep happening. Poor kitty. Although, truth be told, she > doesn't seem to notice it. It sure doesn't look very nice. > > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Lots of purrs for Oscar. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. > > She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode > > over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting it > > will keep happening. Poor kitty. Although, truth be told, she > > doesn't seem to notice it. It sure doesn't look very nice. > > > > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Poor Oscar, it is good that it doesn't bother her. Vet purrs for her. Charleen Mr. Pumpkin, Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro Monique Y. Mudama skrev i meddelandet ... >She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode >over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Get well purrs!!! Elisabet and Hugo Katt >She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode >over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting it >will keep happening. Poor kitty. Although, truth be told, she >doesn't seem to notice it. It sure doesn't look very nice. EGC? My Trill has that, and that's our next vet visit (after Arthur's neuter, that is). It makes Trill look like a little old mountain goat. He got Depo-Medrol shots a couple of times, and that worked for awhile, but like Oscar, Trill's is back. Purrs for you both. Ginger-lyn Home Pages: http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/ http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy) http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against Animals in Movies Website) >>She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode >>over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ginger-lyn I can't spell it to save my life, but yeah, the thing where her lip gets swollen and bare and red. Except it's really subdued this time, but I figured I'd best bring her in and have our vet take a look. I kind of wonder, if it doesn't bother her, if it needs to be treated with shots. I'd hate to pump her full of steroids just for aesthetics. I'll talk to TED about it. Appointment is at 3:30. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > >>She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode > >>over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > with shots. I'd hate to pump her full of steroids just for > aesthetics. I'll talk to TED about it. Appointment is at 3:30. Did the vet say what causes this? Is it like a cold sore that recurs periodically in the same place? (Enquiring minds and all that... ;>) Hugs, CatNipped >> I can't spell it to save my life, but yeah, the thing where her lip >> gets swollen and bare and red. Except it's really subdued this [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > recurs periodically in the same place? (Enquiring minds and all > that... ;>) It's related to an allergic reaction, but it's not necessarily an allergic reaction. As near as I can tell, not a whole lot is known aside from the lucky fact that it responds really well to steroid shots. Cats can get them on their legs, mouth, or other parts of their body; luckily, Oscar's have thus far only presented on her lower lip. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > It's related to an allergic reaction, but it's not necessarily an > allergic reaction. As near as I can tell, not a whole lot is known > aside from the lucky fact that it responds really well to steroid > shots. Cats can get them on their legs, mouth, or other parts of > their body; luckily, Oscar's have thus far only presented on her lower > lip. Wonder if Cortaid ointment is something you could use on a cat? When we got Molly, she had black chin crud from a case of feline acne. I got it cleared up in a few weeks with Neosporin and a soft tooth brush. (And a most annoyed cat) Our vet was really impressed. Jo >> It's related to an allergic reaction, but it's not necessarily an >> allergic reaction. As near as I can tell, not a whole lot is known [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > tooth brush. (And a most annoyed cat) Our vet was really > impressed. Dunno. I know that it's specifically not acne; the vet and I talked about that today. Honestly, I think I'd rather deal with driving Oscar to the vet's twice in two weeks than trying to apply anything to her chin on a daily basis. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Dunno. I know that it's specifically not acne; the vet and I talked > about that today. Honestly, I think I'd rather deal with driving > Oscar to the vet's twice in two weeks than trying to apply anything to > her chin on a daily basis. Topical treatments don't work on ESC. Depo shots do. > > It's related to an allergic reaction, but it's not necessarily an > > allergic reaction. As near as I can tell, not a whole lot is known [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Jo She has eosophilic granuloma complex. All she needs is a shot of Depo Medrol. $20 bucks and it keeps the lesions away for months. > She has eosophilic granuloma complex. All she needs is a shot of > Depo Medrol. $20 bucks and it keeps the lesions away for months. The bill lists methylprednisolone. I wonder if that's the same thing. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > She has eosophilic granuloma complex. All she needs is a shot of > > Depo Medrol. $20 bucks and it keeps the lesions away for months. > > The bill lists methylprednisolone. I wonder if that's the same thing. I don't know. I am sure your vet knows best, but Depo Medrol (which for all I know is a brand name for methylprednisolone) works so well for us. Maybe ask him? > > > She has eosophilic granuloma complex. All she needs is a shot of > > > Depo Medrol. $20 bucks and it keeps the lesions away for months. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (which for all I know is a brand name for methylprednisolone) > works so well for us. Maybe ask him? That is correct. Depo Medrol and Solu Medrol are trade names for methylprednisolone. Depo is the long-acting and Solu is IV. The description makes me wonder...in humans, there is something called Churg-Strauss syndrome, a form of vascular inflammation, which is characterized by elevated eosinophils in the blood, eczema, asthma, and often urinary or kidney disorders. It's manageable once recognized. Corticosteroids do help, but the most recent human treatment is plasmapheresis, a procedure where the blood is run through a filter and the plasma cleaned of antibodies. In addition to corticosteroids, the drug cyclophosphamide is also use to suppress the hyperimmune state. It might be worth asking the vet whether Churg-Strauss syndrome occurs in cats. > That is correct. Depo Medrol and Solu Medrol are trade names for > methylprednisolone. Depo is the long-acting and Solu is IV. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > It might be worth asking the vet whether Churg-Strauss syndrome > occurs in cats. Huh. Oscar's lesions really don't look like eczema, nor does she seem to have any breathing or urinary disorders (knock on wood!). It's a single bald, swollen, pink spot that takes over the point of her lower jaw. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> > She has eosophilic granuloma complex. All she needs is a shot of >> > Depo Medrol. $20 bucks and it keeps the lesions away for months. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (which for all I know is a brand name for methylprednisolone) > works so well for us. Maybe ask him? A quick look on webmd shows that methylprednisolone is a generic name for Depo-Medrol. Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe, aggravated that it's raining. > > >>She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode > > >>over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > CatNipped They don't know. Cheeky has EGC. It frequently occurs in asthmatic cats, as it goes hand in hand with allergies. I did a great deal of research on the issue of "steroid shots" (Depo Medrol) and there is only a danger of side effects such as diabetes with *frequent* shots over a long period of time. My vet said he would not think that a shot every two months would be risky, and Cheeks gets them about every four months. ESG must be controlled or it can lead to nasty things. Although there are other ways to deal with it (such as prednisone pills) in Oscar's case the shots make much more sense. This condition, left uncontrolled, is not something anyone wants their animal to go through. I'll talk to TED about it. Appointment is at 3:30. Well this is what I get for reading from the bottom up! ;) Please disregard my other comments re "better take her to the vet!" Don't worry too much about the ESG, Monique. It is fairly common, and as long as you don't get her shots more than a few times a year the risk of diabetes and other side effects is very low. Says my vet and Phil P. Cheeks has been on them for three years, four come fall. It is a godsend because it controls her asthma too. (The ride to the vet is bad, but I sing to her all the way. It seems to help, even if only because she is so relieved to have me shut up when we get there.) ! Lots of purrs and best wishes for Oscar's problem to be really easy to solve, SignaturePolonca & Soncek > She has that lip EG thing again. Sigh. I was hoping that episode > over the winter was just a fluke; if it happens twice, I'm betting it > will keep happening. Poor kitty. Although, truth be told, she > doesn't seem to notice it. It sure doesn't look very nice. |
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