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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / June 2005Two paws down on raw food
Well, I made my first batch of raw food today. I ground up a whole chicken (sans most of the muscle meat) and added all the other nice supplements. I divided it in 7 portions and froze 6 of them. The other portion was served as dinner a little while ago. Fez licked some of the ground up slurry, but left the meat cubes intact. The other cats will have nothing to do with it. :( It seems it's going to be a battle of wills, a battle I have a very good chance of losing. I think I'll start by mixing a little bit of the raw stuff with their usual food. In the mean time, I have 6 very hungry cats and a whole lot of raw food waiting to be eaten.  SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com Suggestion: to the frying pan (not the cats, the raw meat). You got nothing to lose here. > Well, I made my first batch of raw food today. I ground up a whole chicken > (sans most of the muscle meat) and added all the other nice supplements. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In the mean time, I have 6 very hungry cats and a whole lot of raw food > waiting to be eaten. > Well, I made my first batch of raw food today. I ground up a whole > chicken (sans most of the muscle meat) and added all the other nice [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In the mean time, I have 6 very hungry cats and a whole lot of raw food > waiting to be eaten. Why insist they eat it raw? I'd want my chicken fully cooked, to avoid the possibility of salmonella. Maybe they feel the same way. ;-) Joy > Why insist they eat it raw? I'd want my chicken fully cooked, to avoid the > possibility of salmonella. Maybe they feel the same way. ;-) Because they have evolved to eat raw food. :) Cats are not as susceptible to salmonella as are humans, since they have a short digestive tract. What I'm trying to accomplish here is a diet as natural as possible. To match their physiology as closely as I can, so that Basho will be as healthy as he can be. Mr. Prince, of course, will not eat anything he doesn't like, no matter how hungry he is. It's going to be a process, I'll just have to give it time. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com Victor, there's a feline IBD yahoo group and they talk a lot about raw diets - here's a link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/ -- maybe you can get some tips here. hth, Christine > > Why insist they eat it raw? I'd want my chicken fully cooked, to avoid the > > possibility of salmonella. Maybe they feel the same way. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > how hungry he is. > It's going to be a process, I'll just have to give it time. > Victor, there's a feline IBD yahoo group and they talk a lot about raw > diets - here's a link: Thanks for the pointer, I just subscribed and sent a message. :) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > Well, I made my first batch of raw food today. I ground up a whole chicken > (sans most of the muscle meat) and added all the other nice supplements. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In the mean time, I have 6 very hungry cats and a whole lot of raw food > waiting to be eaten. Smokey loves her food rare, Chicken, Hamburger, Steak. Cali will only eat raw Steak. I'm not too sure if the raw food presents any hazards, so they don't get it too often. >> Well, I made my first batch of raw food today. I ground up a whole >> chicken (sans most of the muscle meat) and added all the other nice [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > raw Steak. I'm not too sure if the raw food presents any hazards, so they > don't get it too often. Cats have stronger acid in their stomachs. Have you seen what they eat in the wild? And many cats, especially rare breeds that aren't all that far from the wild, have a problem with cooked food. Jo Information on feeding a raw diet. It is from a commercial source so remember they do have something to sell. Still it explains the theory. http://tinyurl.com/dvjeb Jo > Smokey loves her food rare, Chicken, Hamburger, Steak. Cali will only eat > raw Steak. I'm not too sure if the raw food presents any hazards, so they > don't get it too often. Why would it present any more hazards than hunting for themselves? Cats generally eat the entire critter (including all but the larger feathers, on birds), which I should think would present far more hazard tham USDA inspected meat for humans. > Why would it present any more hazards than hunting for > themselves? Cats generally eat the entire critter > (including all but the larger feathers, on birds), which I > should think would present far more hazard tham USDA > inspected meat for humans. The cat-caught bird would be a lot fresher, and less likely to be affected by contamination than mass-produced meat. Still, I'm not too crazy about the need to produce something like the natural diet for a cat. I don't eat the natural diet a human evolved with, which would have been roots, berries, some meat, and near starvation in the winters if enough stuff hadn't been dried or smoked in the fall. Or possibly the tropical equivalent, with 'dry season' substituted for 'winter'. SignatureCheryl >> Why would it present any more hazards than hunting for >> themselves? Cats generally eat the entire critter [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > possibly the tropical equivalent, with 'dry season' substituted for > 'winter'. The trend or whatever it is toward a raw diet for dogs and cats isn't just a theory. It's a response to problems some of them develop that are directly related to processed foods. Most don't have those problems. But for the ones that do, it can be a lifesaver. Not everyone is grinding stuff up at home. Its available frozen quite a few places. Jo Jo > The trend or whatever it is toward a raw diet for dogs and cats isn't just a > theory. It's a response to problems some of them develop that are directly > related to processed foods. Most don't have those problems. But for the > ones that do, it can be a lifesaver. I imagine feline nutritional needs may vary, although not so widely as humans. Cats are true carnivores, and have not been domesticated nearly so long as dogs have. Studies have shown that cats who are allowed to hunt for themselves (and consume their kill) are often heathier than those whose diet is confined to processed commercial foods. (Humans do better on unprocessed food, too - although cooking is not exactly "processing" in that sense.) Some humans do well on a vegetarian diet, others really NEED the animal protein of meat, in order to maintain optimum health. > Not everyone is grinding stuff up at home. Its available frozen quite a few > places. > > Jo > > Jo > Well, I made my first batch of raw food today. I ground up a whole chicken > (sans most of the muscle meat) and added all the other nice supplements. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In the mean time, I have 6 very hungry cats and a whole lot of raw food > waiting to be eaten. How about cooking it just "rare"? I fed Princess (RB) raw liver, kidney and heart meat, which she liked. Other raw meat was not appealing to her. I never fed raw chicken. Then the Vet advised me never feed raw because of the pathogens in the meat supply. Then I switched to Science Diet which she loved. I continued to give her a little "rare. MLB Victor, how safe is raw chicken? I mean is the salmonella dangerous only for humans or also cats? Jazz's worried mama SignatureIrulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time > Well, I made my first batch of raw food today. I ground up a whole chicken > (sans most of the muscle meat) and added all the other nice supplements. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In the mean time, I have 6 very hungry cats and a whole lot of raw food > waiting to be eaten. > Well, I made my first batch of raw food today. I ground up a whole > chicken (sans most of the muscle meat) and added all the other nice [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In the mean time, I have 6 very hungry cats and a whole lot of raw food > waiting to be eaten. Too bad. I hope that gradually mixing more of it into their old food will work. SignatureMarina, Frank and Miranda. In loving memory of Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > Well, I made my first batch of raw food today. I ground up a whole > chicken (sans most of the muscle meat) and added all the other nice [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In the mean time, I have 6 very hungry cats and a whole lot of raw > food waiting to be eaten. That's too bad :-( How about raw beef instead of chicken? Probably more expensive though. Vino loves raw hamburger, and so do I! -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > Well, I made my first batch of raw food today. I ground up a whole > chicken (sans most of the muscle meat) and added all the other nice [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In the mean time, I have 6 very hungry cats and a whole lot of raw food > waiting to be eaten. Think it depends on the cat. Our cat Sox will eat raw food - occasionally. But Shoes - he will eat raw chicken or steak, any time. My Hubby just has to pull out the meat board and start sharpening the knife and Shoes appears as if by magic ;) Mind you, they were both strays that moved in and took over, and both still catch (and devour) birds and mice... especially if they don't like what we feed them! Sooo... if your kitties won't eat the raw food, send it over ;) Good luck with the battle.... (my money is on the cats, though) Cheers Cathy SignatureI don't suffer from insanity - I enjoy every minute of it > Good luck with the >battle.... (my money is on the cats, though) I remember what TED told me back when I first switched to Sammy's prescription diet. Basically, he told me that she SHOULD be eating the new food, but that the really important thing was to realise that she should EAT. He said that you can almost always out-stubborn a dog and get them to eat, but that a cat will starve themselves rather than eat something they don't like. Lucky for me, they like the prescription stuff - no doubt they checked the price and decided they were worth the cost. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy and Little Bit stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > .....He said that you can almost always out-stubborn a dog and > get them to eat, but that a cat will starve themselves rather than eat > something they don't like. Lucky for me, they like the prescription > stuff - no doubt they checked the price and decided they were worth > the cost. That is the truth and nothing but the truth. I was having difficulty finding our cats preferred brand of cat food a while back... I think I mentioned it here before. Anyhoo, they simply *refused* to eat other brands and went out and caught their own food :) Luckily I am able to get their brand again and they are eating what we give them, but they still get fussy sometimes... Like, don't give them the same flavour twice in a row, or they give you that "flick-of-tail" and stalk off! :) Cheers Cathy SignatureI don't suffer from insanity - I enjoy every minute of it Good Luck, Victor! I think that my cats are giving your cats the victory sign and yelling "Go For It!" I'm sure that won't help you! Charleen Mr. Pumpkin, Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro >>Good luck with the >>battle.... (my money is on the cats, though) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > stuff - no doubt they checked the price and decided they were worth > the cost. Tell me about it! Every time I find a heretofore favorite food on sale, mine decide they don't really like that, after all. (You'd think they could read the register tape!) Best wishes, SignaturePolonca & Soncek > Well, I made my first batch of raw food today. I ground up a whole > chicken (sans most of the muscle meat) and added all the other nice [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In the mean time, I have 6 very hungry cats and a whole lot of raw food > waiting to be eaten. |
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