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OT: A Memorial Day mystery (Long!)
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Singh - 04 Jun 2005 04:43 GMT Louie and I, for the past few years, have been going to the place where my mother is buried each Memorial Day, and say a set of prayers for her and for veterans. It's in a part of the church I grew up attending, called the "new cemetery" as it was land hastily bought and put to use as veterans of WW2 and Korea began to leave the world. Frances, my adoptive mother, was a WW2 vet.
We started doing this because, frankly, her funeral in 1988 was a disaster and a disgrace. My father was bombed out of his mind and had to be carried in. A neighbor tried to get the police to keep me and my then-boyfriend out of the Mass. An argument boiled right in the church about my presence. They had no pallbearers and had to recruit young men dressed in filthy shirts and disintegrating jeans.
Afterward, no one came to care for the plot except those paid by the church. She didn't belong to the Legion or VFW, so they didn't come around to set up a flag or one of those things that look like a tall lollipop with the American Legion's symbol. So when Louie and I go, we get ourselves a small flag for Frances and set it in the ground before the little headstone the Navy provided.
When we went this past Monday, we saw last year's flag hanging on its post for dear life. It was almost ready to crumble off the pole, and was frayed and faded from our nasty weather. But looking closer, we saw that someone had driven a long pipe into the ground and put the flagpole in it, and crimped the end of the pipe so that what was left of the flag could still stand securely, and higher than the others.
There are many veterans buried in the new cemetery. Sixty to seventy percent of the headstones have a military plaque detailing their branch of service, and whether they'd served in a war. Most were WW2 or Korean War vets, with a few who'd been to Vietnam. We looked at them all. Not a one, besides Frances', had a supporting pole to keep the flag flying; someone had gone to a lot of trouble to do that, and the pipe was heavy-gauge stainless. It must have taken a strong hand and a good pair of pliers to mold it to the pole of the small flag.
My father is in Poland and will not return except when necessary by law, to keep his Social Security coming. (He's a dual citizen of the US and Poland, and must return every 2 years; and while he likes the money he really dislikes America and Americans.) His marriage to Frances was arranged and they did not get along well. I won't discuss what he did to me, except to say that his dislike of Americans was taken out on me through years of abuse. My foster-brother "doesn't do graves," believing it to be nearly idolatrous and showing more attention to a dead body than a living memory. The caretakers at the church knew nothing, and the residents of the convent and rectory could not be found. The one friend Frances had in my hometown was surprised at this story; she's an old lady though, and I'd find it hard to believe she'd be shlepping pipes and hardware about.
So we placed a new flag before the stone, but decided to leave the other in its perch until we come to town again, because we thought it was a mighty symbol. Frances had been a prisoner of war under Hitler, but she did not hate German people, didn't even have hate for the Nazis. She endured a horrible marriage where any female in the household, adult or child, was a target for beatings or rape, and shook her fist at it until Alzheimer's claimed her mind and then body. And so does this flag. It hangs on, shaking a fist at anyone who dares to pervert what it means, and the ideals upon which it was first created; like after 9/11, we did not crumble and blow away, but hung on and shook our own fists at the abuse brought upon us.
I hope we may be like Frances, and not have hatred for all because of what a few crazy bastards did.
Someday I'd like to find the person who thought enough of a stranger in a modest military grave to to raise the flag for her and honor her service and thank him or her, the way I would like to thank those who died as heroes--from those who went to save the Jews, to those who gave their lives saving the poor souls at the World Trade Center.
I'll never find out probably. Damn.
Blessed be.
Baha --
Three thousand years ago, cats were deified in ancient Egypt. To this day, they have not forgotten.
Yoj - 04 Jun 2005 05:38 GMT What a lovely mystery! I think you have a lot of Frances in you, even if she was a stepmother.
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> Louie and I, for the past few years, have been going to the place where my > mother is buried each Memorial Day, and say a set of prayers for her and for [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > cats were deified in ancient Egypt. > To this day, they have not forgotten. spamtrap - 04 Jun 2005 06:47 GMT > Louie and I, for the past few years, have been going to the place where my > mother is buried each Memorial Day, and say a set of prayers for her and for > veterans. It's in a part of the church I grew up attending, called the "new > cemetery" as it was land hastily bought and put to use as veterans of WW2 > and Korea began to leave the world. Frances, my adoptive mother, was a WW2 > vet. Your mother deserves all due respect which is due to all veterans and military service personnel.
> My father is in Poland and will not return except when necessary by law, to > keep his Social Security coming. (He's a dual citizen of the US and Poland, > and must return every 2 years; and while he likes the money he really > dislikes America and Americans.) His marriage to Frances was arranged and Meanwhile the SSI fund is in danger of going insolvent in the future and your "father" on the other hand is commiting fraud according to the lastest eligibilty requirements from the SSI (at http://www.ssa.gov/notices/supplemental-security-income/eligibility.htm):
WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR SSI?
Anyone who is:
· aged (age 65 or older); · blind; or · disabled.
And who:
· has limited income; and · has limited resources; and · is a U.S. citizen or is in one of certain categories of aliens (Note: In general, an alien who is subject to an active warrant for deportation/removal does not meet the citizenship/alien requirement); and · is a resident of one of the 50 States, the District of Columbia, or the Northern Mariana Islands; and · is not absent from the country for a full calendar month or more than 30 consecutive days; and · agrees to apply for any other cash benefits for which he or she may be entitled; and · meets certain other requirements.
in other words he doesn't live here on a regular basis - ie. every thirty days - so he should not receive anything from SSI.
Victor Martinez - 04 Jun 2005 12:57 GMT I don't usually respond to anonymous posters, but I will make an exception this time.
> in other words he doesn't live here on a regular basis - ie. every > thirty days - so he should not receive anything from SSI. Well then, there are hundreds of thousands of retired americans living in Mexico who, according to this, are also commiting fraud. :) SS is in danger of insolvency not because old people get money from it, but because for decades, Congress has taken out money from it to pay for other things.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 04 Jun 2005 19:54 GMT > I don't usually respond to anonymous posters, but I will make an > exception this time. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > but because for decades, Congress has taken out money from it to pay for > other things. I think "spamtrap" needs to read the laws mroe closely - "SSI" is NOT "Social Security", but a supplementary program which, IIRC, simply shifts the responsibility for paying "welfare" benefits from the local agencies to the Federal government, in the case of the indigent elderly. (Although, like "Unemployment Insurance" I think the two government agencies have joint responsibility.)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 04 Jun 2005 19:48 GMT > Meanwhile the SSI fund is in danger of going insolvent in the future and > your "father" on the other hand is commiting fraud according > to the lastest eligibilty requirements from the SSI (at > http://www.ssa.gov/notices/supplemental-security-income/eligibility.htm): > > WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR SSI? I think you're confusing "SSI" with normal "Social Security" benefits! SSI is a form of what we used to call "welfare", applicable only to the truly indigent. I'm sure what you say about it is true, but that's not what her father is collecting. Amyone who has earned wages in the U.S. and paid Social Security taxes is eligible for Social Security benefits, whether they are U.S. citizens or not (and anyway, she said her father has dual citizenship). Also, although Medicare insurance does not pay medical costs outside of the U.S., Social Security benefits are payable whether you retire in the U.S. or choose to live abroad (as many Americans have done, because the cost of living was much lower in the countries they chose, so they could actually LIVE on their Social Security benefits). You've EARNED that benefit by working here and paying your share of the related taxes - where you choose to spend it is up to you.
Singh - 05 Jun 2005 05:57 GMT Earlier I responded to "spamtrap" agreeing to what he/she said. I still agree that, if Miroslav is getting SSI, he is committing fraud. But thank you for setting me straight on the difference between the two benefit programs, because I had no idea what was the difference!
Blessed be, Baha
> > Meanwhile the SSI fund is in danger of going insolvent in the future and > > your "father" on the other hand is commiting fraud according > > to the lastest eligibilty requirements from the SSI (at http://www.ssa.gov/notices/supplemental-security-income/eligibility.htm):
> > WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR SSI? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > benefit by working here and paying your share of the related > taxes - where you choose to spend it is up to you. Singh - 05 Jun 2005 05:54 GMT (snip for brevity, like I am capable of brevity!)
> Your mother deserves all due respect which is due to all veterans and > military service personnel. Amen!
> > My father is in Poland and will not return except when necessary by law, to > > keep his Social Security coming. (He's a dual citizen of the US and Poland, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to the lastest eligibilty requirements from the SSI (at > http://www.ssa.gov/notices/supplemental-security-income/eligibility.htm): I agree, and so do many others. But he's got a good lawyer, who has kept him out of jail for rape as well as fraud.
Blessed be, Baha
> WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR SSI? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > in other words he doesn't live here on a regular basis - ie. every > thirty days - so he should not receive anything from SSI. Victor Martinez - 04 Jun 2005 12:53 GMT > I hope we may be like Frances, and not have hatred for all because of what a > few crazy bastards did. Those are very, very wise words.
*purrs*
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polonca12000 - 04 Jun 2005 14:42 GMT Lots of hugs and purrs,
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> Louie and I, for the past few years, have been going to the place where my > mother is buried each Memorial Day, and say a set of prayers for her and for > veterans. <snip> Christine Burel - 05 Jun 2005 15:27 GMT A very touching story -- if it could be done, maybe you could find a way to engrave some version of that first sentence of your last paragraph on a plaque and put it on her grave. Christine
> Louie and I, for the past few years, have been going to the place where my > mother is buried each Memorial Day, and say a set of prayers for her and for [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > cats were deified in ancient Egypt. > To this day, they have not forgotten. Duke of URL - 06 Jun 2005 23:01 GMT > Afterward, no one came to care for the plot except those paid by the > church. She didn't belong to the Legion or VFW, so they didn't come > around to set up a flag or one of those things that look like a tall > lollipop with the American Legion's symbol. So when Louie and I go, > we get ourselves a small flag for Frances and set it in the ground > before the little headstone the Navy provided. I find this strange - the VFW/MOC policy is to place flags on the graves of ALL veterans for Memorial Day. Although you say the Navy provided the stone, does it indicate her service? Have you let the VFW Post know she's there?
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Singh - 07 Jun 2005 04:31 GMT There is a plaque on the back of the stone with her name and branch of service, and it states that she was a WW2 vet. I wasn't aware that it was policy in the VFW (and what is MOC?). Maybe they're not being observant? The front of the marker has only her name and the years of birth and death, and a simple little cross. It's a low, small marker, too. I did notice a few other undecorated graves. There was one in particular that stood out, and has been a sad thought these past few days: a Vietnam vet whose marker was not a headstone but one of the kind that look like a brass square set flush with the ground, horribly uncared for, that I might not have noticed if I hadn't been looking for a place to set my stuff down while working the prayer-book. (Vietnam vets have always gotten such a bum rap, I'm not surprised that this poor fellow's been forgotten. And that is sad, seeing overgrown grass obscuring the military marker. No matter one's opinion of the war, he'd kept his oath, and this is his reward. Burn me, please, and put my ashes in a barrel and put it all over Niagara Falls!)
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> > Afterward, no one came to care for the plot except those paid by the > > church. She didn't belong to the Legion or VFW, so they didn't come [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cliologist, Philanthropologist, Prothonotary Wibbler, > Paleoconservative, Surface Warrior Squid EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Jun 2005 16:24 GMT > There is a plaque on the back of the stone with her name and branch of > service, and it states that she was a WW2 vet. I wasn't aware that it was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > not a headstone but one of the kind that look like a brass square set flush > with the ground Actually, that kind of marker is "regulation" in many cemeteries - it facilitates maintenance, since mowing machines don't have to be maneuvered around them. The cemetery where my father is buried - he was a WW1 vet - has such a rule, and any permanent vases for flowers must be the kind that fit upside down into a receptacle in the ground, so they are flush with the surface when not in use, too. At the time my Mom bought the plot where he (and now she) rests, it was primarily for veterans, although it was privately operated. (It allowed purchase of plots with room for spouses and family, which I don't think the military ones do.)
Duke of URL - 07 Jun 2005 22:46 GMT >>> Afterward, no one came to care for the plot except those paid by the >>> church. She didn't belong to the Legion or VFW, so they didn't come [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> provided the stone, does it indicate her service? Have you let the >> VFW Post know she's there?
> There is a plaque on the back of the stone with her name and branch of > service, and it states that she was a WW2 vet. I wasn't aware that it > was policy in the VFW (and what is MOC?). Yes, it is. The MOC = Military Order of the Cootie, an honor-subsidiary within the VFW.
>Maybe they're not being observant? Once again, Have you let the VFW Post know she's there?
>The front of the marker has only her name and the years of > birth and death, and a simple little cross. It's a low, small marker, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > me, please, and put my ashes in a barrel and put it all over Niagara > Falls!) Is this a community-owned/operated cemetary? Is it privately owned? Whatever, someone needs to be jacked up for failure to maintain it.
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Steve Touchstone - 07 Jun 2005 06:38 GMT >> Afterward, no one came to care for the plot except those paid by the >> church. She didn't belong to the Legion or VFW, so they didn't come [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >ALL veterans for Memorial Day. Although you say the Navy provided the stone, >does it indicate her service? Have you let the VFW Post know she's there? When I read the OP I had the same thought. I think the problem may be that not as many vets are joining now as they once were, and some of what was once done as a matter of course has fallen by the wayside as the number of volunteers dwindles.
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