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mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 26 May 2005 23:19 GMT

I've been a veggie for about 15 years (just before I got Otis
actually), and so he's never had leftovers or begged for my food, only
if someone brought something round for him, and he's not allowed now
cos of his diabetes. I've been complaining about my lack of memory
recently - it's getting really bad, I know it's my age etc but it's
worrying me. I tried Gingko Biloba but keep forgetting to take them!

So, on advice from well meaning friends, tonight I decided to eat some
fish. I thought I'd buy a salmon steak as that used to be my favourite
fish and I knew it would be hard for me to eat it. I just about
remembered how to cook it and settled down to eat it. Man it was
gross, what was I thinking! It had fatty lumps in it and tasted of -
well nothing - I smeared lemon juice, herbs and mayo on it and managed
a few mouthfuls before I thought I was going to puke, so I removed the
bones, mashed it up and Otis had it, he's now sleeping on my (2 day
old) cream sofa, moulting nicely and looking like the cat who got the
cream.

I suppose it was farmed salmon as it never used to be like that when it
was an expensive luxury item, I thought it was quite cheap, I will
never eat that again, I still have a greasy taste in my mouth. So,
sorry about the rant, but does anyone have any suggestions for slowing
down memory loss (did I already ask that - ha ha)

Thanks

Marcia

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jmcquown - 27 May 2005 00:12 GMT

> I've been a veggie for about 15 years (just before I got Otis
> actually), and so he's never had leftovers or begged for my food, only
> if someone brought something round for him, and he's not allowed now
> cos of his diabetes. I've been complaining about my lack of memory
> recently - it's getting really bad, I know it's my age etc but it's
> worrying me. I tried Gingko Biloba but keep forgetting to take them!

(snippage)

> Marcia

I seriously hope you aren't taking blood thinners (even aspirin) with the
Ginko Biloba. It also acts as a blood thinner and this combination could
prove fatal if you cut yourself or otherwise become injured and there is
blood loss.

Having said that, I think salmon is one of the most overrated fish on the
market. Just so much hype, if you get my drift. If you want to try fish,
try something mild like Tilapia, farmed out of Florida. You can add
whatever seasonings or sauces to it and have a wonderful mild fish that
tastes GOOD (not like "nothing") and whatever veggies and grains you like on
the side.

Kudos for Otis eating the "leftovers" :) I'm sure he's happy.

Jill

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Catnipped - 27 May 2005 01:02 GMT

> > I've been a veggie for about 15 years (just before I got Otis
> > actually), and so he's never had leftovers or begged for my food, only
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>
> Jill

I like Orange Roughie (Roughy?) - it's light, flaky, and has a wonderful
taste. Also, I never fry or grill fish (it's oily enough without all the
grease added), I always bake it in a butter and lemon sauce.

For memory loss I've heard the following: First, meditation is supposed to
be better than drugs or herbal remedies for helping to prevent memory loss.
Second, herbal remedies are: Gingko Biloba, which you're already taking,
motherwort tincture (Leonurus cardiaca) for lowering blood pressure (which
supposedly contributes to memory loss), or 400 IU of d-alpha tocopherol
(supplement form of vitamin E) and 2-3 dropperfuls of ginkgo tincture (not
capsules). Third, estrogen replacement or HRT has been shown to cause
memory loss and a diminished cognitive functioning. HTH.

Hugs,

CatNipped

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jmcquown - 27 May 2005 01:19 GMT

>>> I've been a veggie for about 15 years (just before I got Otis
>>> actually), and so he's never had leftovers or begged for my food,
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> without all the grease added), I always bake it in a butter and lemon
> sauce.

I accidentally bought Roughy on my last trip to the grocery store. I swear
to god, it just jumped into my cart! I was buying sole fillets so I can
make sole piccata; they had a wonderful deal on sole so I went for it. When
I got home, I found I had another package of fish - Orange Roughy. Oh well,
okay, I love Roughy even though it's been over-fished. The same could be
said of swordfish steaks but I almost bought a couple of those. Hot off the
grill they taste just like steak. Uh oh, not what a vegetarian wants to
hear ;)

Jill

> For memory loss I've heard the following: First, meditation is
> supposed to be better than drugs or herbal remedies for helping to
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> CatNipped

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Tish Silberbauer - 27 May 2005 02:59 GMT

I don't know if orange roughy in the USA is the same as what's called
orange roughy in Australia, but in Australia this species (scientific
name Hoplostethus atlanticus) has been overfished to a catastrophic
degree. Not only is the species in danger of becoming locally
extinct, but because orange roughy are caught using trawl nets
scraping over the deep sea floor, the environmental damage from the
process of catching this species of fish has been devastating to the
deep sea mounts off the coast of Australia.

I've had orange roughy once or twice and really enjoyed it, but now
refuse to buy it becuase of the waste and damage caused by the
fishery.

OK, off my soapbox for the moment ...
Tish

>I like Orange Roughie (Roughy?) - it's light, flaky, and has a wonderful
>taste. Also, I never fry or grill fish (it's oily enough without all the
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>CatNipped

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Catnipped - 27 May 2005 03:31 GMT

> I don't know if orange roughy in the USA is the same as what's called
> orange roughy in Australia, but in Australia this species (scientific
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> OK, off my soapbox for the moment ...
> Tish

Well I'm glad you got on it! I didn't know that. Jill mentioned that it's
over-fished also. Probably why it's so expensive (which is why we eat it so
seldom)!

Hugs,

CatNipped

> >I like Orange Roughie (Roughy?) - it's light, flaky, and has a wonderful
> >taste. Also, I never fry or grill fish (it's oily enough without all the
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> >
> >CatNipped

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Susan M - 27 May 2005 23:30 GMT

>I don't know if orange roughy in the USA is the same as what's called
> orange roughy in Australia, but in Australia this species (scientific
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> process of catching this species of fish has been devastating to the
> deep sea mounts off the coast of Australia.

I am an ex-veggie in that I've been eating some organic beef and chicken in
order to get my B12 and iron back up (supplements hadn't helped). I'll eat
organic beef raised here in Alberta, grass-fed (except winter when they get
organic grains), lots of space to roam, no antibiotics ecetera. I won't eat
fish. At least beef is a renewable resource and, if had only occasionally
and organically raised, I can get my head around it. I simply cannot get my
head around the over-fishing of the world's oceans. Can't.

Susan M
Otis and Chester

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mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 27 May 2005 16:48 GMT

I've never heard of Tilapia or Roughie in the UK. I've decided that it
could be that my taste buds have changed which is why I hated the fish,
also the guilt tripping prob didn't help. I'm not going to eat fish
again, I still feel ill thinking about it. I've done a bit of research
and am going to carry on with the Gingko for another couple of months
(can't take aspirin anyway cos of ex ulcers) - and also do more
crosswords which I've told help and will try the vitamin E. I'm not on
HRT and *hope* not to have to, for various reasons, but if I do I'd
better get a name tag on the back of my shirt! I forgot my own phone
number the other day, I was booking a hotel and it was really
embarassing (it was early in the morning though and I'm not good in the
morning at the best of times which is why I choose to work evenings),
and I had to look up my landline number on my mobile phone, the hotel
owner thought I was well dodgy! Made me leave a deposit..

Thanks all for the advice anyway, have a great bank holiday if you're
in the UK, the sun's shining, let's hope it stays that way.

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Adrian - 27 May 2005 09:14 GMT

> I've been a veggie for about 15 years (just before I got Otis
> actually), and so he's never had leftovers or begged for my food, only
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>
> Marcia

At least it wasn't wasted, I hope Otis doesn't expect a regular treat of
salmon. Have you thought of taking fish oil capsules? Some people say
they help with memory, at least they're not likely to harm you.

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Lesley - 27 May 2005 15:11 GMT

I removed the
bones, mashed it up and Otis had it, he's now sleeping on my (2 day
old) cream sofa, moulting nicely and looking like the cat who got the
cream.

Lucky Otis!!!!! Last Christmas a club I belong to had a party and the
centrepiece of the buffet was a huge wild Irish salmon, which was far
too much for most people. I was pipped at the post when they asked if
we'd like to take stuff away by Hugh so Chloe and Tigger had the
salmon. I am informed they were very happy cats

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs (Who have made me promise to go armed if
we do it this year!)

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