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Victor M - 18 May 2005 16:56 GMT
His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
TED wants to do an ultrasound to see if there's anything else (she
didn't use the C word, but I'm afraid that's what she thought) of
concern.
We'll get an appointment for tomorrow and should have feedback right
away. I'm clearing my schedule to be able to be there.
Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a
very special soul.

Victor, holding down tears at the office.
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 17:02 GMT
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(

I'm so sorry, Victor.  Purrs that everything will work out for Basho.
   
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Charleen Welton - 18 May 2005 17:21 GMT
> > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(

Victor,

We are sending mega purrs that what ever the problem is it can be remedied
without discomfort to Basho and you.  Looking forward to your next post.
Charleen
and the purrers:
Mr. Pumpkin,
Aggie Marble,
Victor Velcro.
Debbie Wilson - 18 May 2005 17:04 GMT
> Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a
> very special soul.

Many many purrs coming across the water for Basho and you :-(

Deb, Merlin, Bracken, Cocoa, Willow.
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Irulan - 18 May 2005 17:31 GMT
More purrs and prayers going Basho's way, Victor.
Jazz & his mama

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> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.
Karen - 18 May 2005 17:36 GMT
Purrs for Basho Victor :(    (I will say this. Grant did not have an
indication in his blood and had advanced cancer, so maybe the opposite can
be true too.)

> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.
Mary - 18 May 2005 18:07 GMT
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.

Victor, we're sending potent kitty and human purrs to
you and Basho. Hang in there. Your Basho is in the best
hands.
Kreisleriana - 18 May 2005 18:14 GMT
>His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
>and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
>Victor, holding down tears at the office.

Oh no, Victor, praying and purring it's nothing serious.

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Jemfur - 18 May 2005 18:28 GMT
He's not even 5 years old and he is a
> very special soul.
>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.

Purrs and more Purrs from Pepper and Simba.
Dan and Nancy Mahoney - 18 May 2005 18:29 GMT
> We'll get an appointment for tomorrow and should have feedback right
> away. I'm clearing my schedule to be able to be there.
> Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a
> very special soul.
>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.

We will be sending our absolute best purrs, Victor. I'll get all 6 of
the furkids revved up.

Dan
lewe - 18 May 2005 18:32 GMT
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.

Purrs from Thea & Bono
hoping for good news!
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Marina - 18 May 2005 18:33 GMT
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.

Lots of purrs coming over for you and your special little buddy.

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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 18 May 2005 19:03 GMT
>His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
>and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
>Victor, holding down tears at the office.

Oh, {{{{{{{Victor}}}}}}}}}

I will purr hard for Basho.  I don't know that it will help, but
people told me that Sabra having one single liver enzyme elevated was
not necessarily anything to worry about (yeah, I know, but maybe it is
different for Basho).

I really pray that Basho will be okay.

Blessings,

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Howard Berkowitz - 18 May 2005 20:14 GMT
> >His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> >and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
> Ginger-lyn

Added hugs and purrs.

You are generally correct, Ginger-Lyn.  The enzymes aren't specific to
the liver, so you tend to need two to confirm.  For example, AST (also
called SGOT) can elevate either from the liver or the heart.  In the
most common test battery that would contain these test, the other two
would be ALT (formerly SGPT) and alkaline phosphatase.  Especially if
there is only one elevated, it becomes significant HOW elevated.

Further, in significant liver disease, the total bilirubin would be
elevated -- it's the yellow pigment one sees in jaundice.  

Electrolytes don't tend to be changed in early liver disease. Was a
blood count done?  I don't know enough yet, but this gives me a vague
suspicion of infection.
Victor M - 18 May 2005 22:04 GMT
> Electrolytes don't tend to be changed in early liver disease. Was a
> blood count done?  I don't know enough yet, but this gives me a vague

> suspicion of infection.

I think they did a blood count, I didn't get the full results, just a
discussion over the phone. TED did mention it could be an infection, I
hope that's what it is.
We're on the waiting list for an ultrasound tomorrow but we have a firm
appointment for Friday morning.
I don't like waiting. :(
Thanks for all y'alls purrs and prayers, we sure appreciate them.

Victor
Pat - 19 May 2005 00:25 GMT
> Thanks for all y'alls purrs and prayers, we sure appreciate them.

you & Basho have ours too. I always read the purr requests and comply, even
when I don't post about it.
Victor Martinez - 18 May 2005 23:51 GMT
> Electrolytes don't tend to be changed in early liver disease. Was a
> blood count done?  I don't know enough yet, but this gives me a vague
> suspicion of infection.

Ok, here's more info. His ALT was 86 (normal range 28-76), BUN and
creatinine high, electrolites low. Is there something else I could ask
for that would give you a better idea?

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Howard Berkowitz - 19 May 2005 01:57 GMT
> > Electrolytes don't tend to be changed in early liver disease. Was a
> > blood count done?  I don't know enough yet, but this gives me a vague
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> creatinine high, electrolites low. Is there something else I could ask
> for that would give you a better idea?

That small an elevation of an enzyme is nothing to worry about.  When
there is significant disease, you see massive elevations, into the
hundreds or even thousands (the latter mostly with creatinine
phosphokinase).  Without other elevated enzymes, an especially cautious
clinician might repeat it immediately, or even in a few months.  If the
AST and/or alkaline phosphatase (other enzymes) were also elevated, that
would be a little more grounds for concern, as would be elevation of
bilirubin.

BUN and creatinine, the latter especially, are more a matter of concern.
Unless they are quite high, however, it's often best to wait and repeat.
For example, I had routine tests of these when I went on a new
anti-diabetic medication. We concluded that I couldn't take the drug,
metformin, because the creatinine was steadily going up, sometimes only
a unit or fraction, but steadily over several weeks.  Stopping the drug
and watching the BUN and creatinine return to normal proved that was the
problem, although we may try it again starting from an extremely low
dose -- it had lots of beneficial effects.

With hoomins, the most definitive creatinine measurements involve some
computations both with blood creatinine and creatinine in a 24-hour
urine sample. What is really clinically important is the rate at which
creatinine is excreted. Since it's not practical to get a 24-hour urine
from a cat, a little more invasive technique is used: take one blood
sample, then inject a known dose of creatinine through the same needle.
Measure the blood creatinine before the additional dose was given.  Wait
a timed period, and take another blood creatinine.  The difference
between the two, given a known load to challenge the kidneys, gives the
clearance rate.

I'd have to see the electrolytes; there are four values, sodium,
potassium, chloride, and bicarbonate. Often, the ratios among them are
more important than the specific values. Having them all low would be
extremely rare.

I can think of only one case where a hoomin managed to test with all
four below normals, and, in that case, the sodium was much lower than
the others. This was my first wife's trip to the emergency room after
she became faint from what turned out to be overdosing on iced tea.  It
was a very hot day and she drank several gallons.  Tea and coffee do
have a slight diuretic -- accelerated sodium and sometimes potassium
excretioon -- but she really overloaded on water more than anything
else.  She needed a couple of liters of IV fluids with added potassium
and sodium, and for everyone to stop laughing at her.

Very few people manage to turn iced tea into a drug of abuse.
Victor Martinez - 19 May 2005 03:29 GMT
> That small an elevation of an enzyme is nothing to worry about.  When
> there is significant disease, you see massive elevations, into the
> hundreds or even thousands (the latter mostly with creatinine

Thanks, that makes me feel a whole lot better!

> BUN and creatinine, the latter especially, are more a matter of concern.
> Unless they are quite high, however, it's often best to wait and repeat.

I saw only a plot of these, not actual values. The BUN was inside the
normal range, but close to the high threshold. The creatinine was above
the threshold, but right above it. I'm hoping that's a good sign as well.

> a timed period, and take another blood creatinine.  The difference
> between the two, given a known load to challenge the kidneys, gives the
> clearance rate.

Yikes, that does sound a bit harsh.

> I'd have to see the electrolytes; there are four values, sodium,
> potassium, chloride, and bicarbonate. Often, the ratios among them are
> more important than the specific values. Having them all low would be
> extremely rare.

I'll get a copy of the test results tomorrow. They offered to fax them
to me, but I don't have a fax at home. I've been meaning to get one of
those all-in-one machines, I might get one yet.

> Very few people manage to turn iced tea into a drug of abuse.

:)  I don't recall Basho drinking any iced tea, but I'll keep an eye on him.

Thank you very much for your insight, it is always interesting, and in
this case, very comforting as well.

Latest update on Basho: he's acting his normal goofy, loving self. We
have an appointment for his ultrasound Friday morning, but we'll be on
the waiting list for tomorrow (thursday) in case they can squeeze us in.
I'll be working from home so I can take him to TED's office at a
moment's notice (it's a 5 minute drive).
In the mean time, Basho is getting extra lovings and all of our attention.
I've also started a spreadsheet in which we'll record each cat's weight
and monitor it often. It can help us catch something like this sooner.
Thanks again.

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Howard Berkowitz - 19 May 2005 04:46 GMT
> > That small an elevation of an enzyme is nothing to worry about.  When
> > there is significant disease, you see massive elevations, into the
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> normal range, but close to the high threshold. The creatinine was above
> the threshold, but right above it. I'm hoping that's a good sign as well.

It could be reasonable to repeat it monthly or every 6 weeks for a
while.  Individual slight elevations are much less significant than a
trend of elevation.

> > a timed period, and take another blood creatinine.  The difference
> > between the two, given a known load to challenge the kidneys, gives the
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> :)  I don't recall Basho drinking any iced tea, but I'll keep an eye on
> :him.

My ex is now carefully supervised by the successor to her ancient and
much missed Theo, Hickory.  When she discovered she COULD get pregnant
at her age, soon after Ben was born, Hickory wandered by and informed
the residents that he would be the nanny, thank you, and has done a
great deal in child discipline as well as companionship.

> Thank you very much for your insight, it is always interesting, and in
> this case, very comforting as well.
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> and monitor it often. It can help us catch something like this sooner.
> Thanks again.

That is an exceptionally good idea, especially when there might be
issues with electrolytes and possible too much or too little water. Does
anyone know if there is a method for seeing how much of a cat's skin you
can comfortably pinch, as an indication of possibly being hydrated or
dehydrated? ISTR a vet saying this, but I don't remember the technique.
Jo Firey - 19 May 2005 05:21 GMT
> That is an exceptionally good idea, especially when there might be
> issues with electrolytes and possible too much or too little water. Does
> anyone know if there is a method for seeing how much of a cat's skin you
> can comfortably pinch, as an indication of possibly being hydrated or
> dehydrated? ISTR a vet saying this, but I don't remember the technique.

Its got something to do with how elastic the skin is I think.  How quickly
it springs back or doesn't.  One of those things they can show you how to
do.

Jo
Jo Firey - 19 May 2005 05:19 GMT
> Latest update on Basho: he's acting his normal goofy, loving self. We have
> an appointment for his ultrasound Friday morning, but we'll be on the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> and monitor it often. It can help us catch something like this sooner.
> Thanks again.

Glad he appears better.  If nothing else he's figured out how to get more
attention in a many cat household.

I always feel awful when one of mine gets sick.  Because of course they
can't tell you it hurts or they don't feel well.  I think the weight
spreadsheet is a great idea.  Whenever we get an invoice from out vet it
includes the date each pet was last weighed, and the weight.  And all the
shots and when they had them and when they are due again.    Even that
system has its flaws.  Our cats go out and I try to make sure they all are
current on their rabies shots.  But it isn't required by law so we don't get
a reminder from the vet until I remember to ask for them to get their first
one.

Hope its just the oriental cat touch of twitchy gut and that Basho feels
better soon.

Jo
Helen Miles - 18 May 2005 19:56 GMT
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
> TED wants to do an ultrasound to see if there's anything else (she
> didn't use the C word, but I'm afraid that's what she thought) of
> concern.////

{{{{{{{VICTOR & BASHO}}}}}}} You and Basho have the motor purrs of HRFL,
the squeaky-deep purrs of the two girls and the very quiet purrs of the
3 babies. You also have my prayers and all paws crossed.

Helen M
Shiral - 18 May 2005 19:59 GMT
PURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so sorry Victor. I hope it won't be the big C. Courage! And
get-well ear scritches to Basho.

Melissa
Debra Berry - 18 May 2005 20:18 GMT
Best wishes and purrs for Basho and for you.  I hope that
no major problems are found.

Debbie Berry
dberry@mitre.org

> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.
Judith Latham - 18 May 2005 20:34 GMT
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a
> very special soul.

> Victor, holding down tears at the office.

Prayers and healing thoughts for Basho.

Judith

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Fuga :o\) - 18 May 2005 20:41 GMT
Oh no.  Major purrs to you and the kitties.

fuga
Julie Cook - 18 May 2005 20:46 GMT
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.

Lots of loud, rubbly purrs coming for Basho from the Stone Mountain
Pride and gentle headbutts for you and Tom. Hopefully this will be
something easily treated and Basho will be feeling well in no time.

Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey and Sam
Julie Cook - 18 May 2005 21:06 GMT
> Lots of loud, rubbly purrs coming for Basho from the Stone Mountain
> Pride and gentle headbutts for you and Tom. Hopefully this will be
> something easily treated and Basho will be feeling well in no time.
>
> Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey and Sam

Victor,
Barnabus is sending purrs as well and would be very unhappy if he knew I
forgot to include him. That's what I get for trying to send messages
when I'm working.
Barnabus and Julie
O J - 18 May 2005 21:12 GMT
>His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
>and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a
>very special soul.

We'll be purring that it's something that can be easily attended to.
Keep your chin up.

--
Regards and Purrs,
O J
Yoj - 18 May 2005 21:23 GMT
Purrs for Basho, and for you.

Joy

> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.
CatNipped - 18 May 2005 21:45 GMT
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.

Oh no Victor!  Mega healing purrs coming his way.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Ann - 18 May 2005 22:49 GMT
Purrs for Basho and for you and Tom.
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> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.
Christine Burel - 19 May 2005 00:26 GMT
Bigtime purrs coming from here, Victor.
Christine
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.
Yowie - 19 May 2005 00:51 GMT
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a
> very special soul.

Purrs that its nothing a few antibiotics can't fix.

Yowie.
Gabey8 - 19 May 2005 00:51 GMT
[[His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
TED wants to do an ultrasound to see if there's anything else (she
didn't use the C word, but I'm afraid that's what she thought) of
concern.
We'll get an appointment for tomorrow and should have feedback right
away. I'm clearing my schedule to be able to be there.
Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a
very special soul.

Victor, holding down tears at the office.]]

Fervent prayers and purrs for Basho are on the way at once! :o( May
whatever's causing the problem be easily treatable and may Basho make a
full recovery!

Donna, Captain, and Stanley
CATherine - 19 May 2005 03:43 GMT
>His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
>and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Victor, holding down tears at the office.

We are puirring it is just an infection that will heal with a few
pills. Purrs,

--
CATherine
Sam Nash - 19 May 2005 03:57 GMT
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.
Ack!  "Basho get better" purrs on the way post-haste.
Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
badwilson - 19 May 2005 05:24 GMT
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is
> elevated and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.

Oh, Victor I'm so sorry!  Many purrs coming right up!  I hope it's not
the evil C.  Purr, purr, purr!
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Exocat - 19 May 2005 08:31 GMT
Really sorry to hear this. Major purrs to Basho & all who care for him
that it's soluble.

Gordon, Bandit, Snowball & Raki

> His bloodwork came back and it's not good.
wafflycat - 19 May 2005 11:54 GMT
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.

Oh Victor! Of course there's many, many purrs & good vibes coming from this
side of the pond straight to Basho and to a frazzled Victor.

gentle *hugs* helen s
SuzQ - 19 May 2005 12:06 GMT
Purrs for Basho. I hope its nothing too serious, or a least treatable.
Suz&Spicey
polonca12000 - 19 May 2005 22:01 GMT
Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for the ultrasound to be negative,
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> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.
Singh - 20 May 2005 03:06 GMT
Many, many purrs for your little champ, from me and my four little purr
machines, that Basho will be strong and well and that you have peace in your
catloving soul.

Blessed be,
Baha

> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.
Susan M - 20 May 2005 05:03 GMT
Victor:

I'm sorry I wasn't here to join the purrs earlier.  Lots of purrs coming to
Basho, you and Tom, and your whole furry crew.

Susan M
Otis and Chester

> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.
Adrian - 20 May 2005 10:30 GMT
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is
> elevated and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.

How worrying. Mega purrs for the little chap.
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hobbs - 29 May 2005 13:56 GMT
Victor I'm having trouble with replying so I dont read too many
posts but if I see any Purrs needed I do answer, I'm sorry I didn't
see this I do hope Basho is alright and I dont read anything to the
contrary as I go a bit further, Many Purrs for Basho, and yourself.
    Jean.P.

> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated
> and his electrolites are abnormal too. :(
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>
> Victor, holding down tears at the office.
 
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