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Victor M - 18 May 2005 16:56 GMT His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( TED wants to do an ultrasound to see if there's anything else (she didn't use the C word, but I'm afraid that's what she thought) of concern. We'll get an appointment for tomorrow and should have feedback right away. I'm clearing my schedule to be able to be there. Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a very special soul.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 17:02 GMT > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( I'm so sorry, Victor. Purrs that everything will work out for Basho.
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Charleen Welton - 18 May 2005 17:21 GMT > > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( Victor,
We are sending mega purrs that what ever the problem is it can be remedied without discomfort to Basho and you. Looking forward to your next post. Charleen and the purrers: Mr. Pumpkin, Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro.
Debbie Wilson - 18 May 2005 17:04 GMT > Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a > very special soul. Many many purrs coming across the water for Basho and you :-(
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Irulan - 18 May 2005 17:31 GMT More purrs and prayers going Basho's way, Victor. Jazz & his mama
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> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Karen - 18 May 2005 17:36 GMT Purrs for Basho Victor :( (I will say this. Grant did not have an indication in his blood and had advanced cancer, so maybe the opposite can be true too.)
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Mary - 18 May 2005 18:07 GMT > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Victor, we're sending potent kitty and human purrs to you and Basho. Hang in there. Your Basho is in the best hands.
Kreisleriana - 18 May 2005 18:14 GMT >His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated >and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Victor, holding down tears at the office. Oh no, Victor, praying and purring it's nothing serious.
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Jemfur - 18 May 2005 18:28 GMT He's not even 5 years old and he is a
> very special soul. > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Purrs and more Purrs from Pepper and Simba.
Dan and Nancy Mahoney - 18 May 2005 18:29 GMT > We'll get an appointment for tomorrow and should have feedback right > away. I'm clearing my schedule to be able to be there. > Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a > very special soul. > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. We will be sending our absolute best purrs, Victor. I'll get all 6 of the furkids revved up.
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lewe - 18 May 2005 18:32 GMT > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Purrs from Thea & Bono hoping for good news! Lena
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Marina - 18 May 2005 18:33 GMT > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Lots of purrs coming over for you and your special little buddy.
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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 18 May 2005 19:03 GMT >His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated >and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Victor, holding down tears at the office. Oh, {{{{{{{Victor}}}}}}}}}
I will purr hard for Basho. I don't know that it will help, but people told me that Sabra having one single liver enzyme elevated was not necessarily anything to worry about (yeah, I know, but maybe it is different for Basho).
I really pray that Basho will be okay.
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Howard Berkowitz - 18 May 2005 20:14 GMT > >His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > >and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Ginger-lyn Added hugs and purrs.
You are generally correct, Ginger-Lyn. The enzymes aren't specific to the liver, so you tend to need two to confirm. For example, AST (also called SGOT) can elevate either from the liver or the heart. In the most common test battery that would contain these test, the other two would be ALT (formerly SGPT) and alkaline phosphatase. Especially if there is only one elevated, it becomes significant HOW elevated.
Further, in significant liver disease, the total bilirubin would be elevated -- it's the yellow pigment one sees in jaundice.
Electrolytes don't tend to be changed in early liver disease. Was a blood count done? I don't know enough yet, but this gives me a vague suspicion of infection.
Victor M - 18 May 2005 22:04 GMT > Electrolytes don't tend to be changed in early liver disease. Was a > blood count done? I don't know enough yet, but this gives me a vague
> suspicion of infection. I think they did a blood count, I didn't get the full results, just a discussion over the phone. TED did mention it could be an infection, I hope that's what it is. We're on the waiting list for an ultrasound tomorrow but we have a firm appointment for Friday morning. I don't like waiting. :( Thanks for all y'alls purrs and prayers, we sure appreciate them.
Victor
Pat - 19 May 2005 00:25 GMT > Thanks for all y'alls purrs and prayers, we sure appreciate them. you & Basho have ours too. I always read the purr requests and comply, even when I don't post about it.
Victor Martinez - 18 May 2005 23:51 GMT > Electrolytes don't tend to be changed in early liver disease. Was a > blood count done? I don't know enough yet, but this gives me a vague > suspicion of infection. Ok, here's more info. His ALT was 86 (normal range 28-76), BUN and creatinine high, electrolites low. Is there something else I could ask for that would give you a better idea?
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Howard Berkowitz - 19 May 2005 01:57 GMT > > Electrolytes don't tend to be changed in early liver disease. Was a > > blood count done? I don't know enough yet, but this gives me a vague [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > creatinine high, electrolites low. Is there something else I could ask > for that would give you a better idea? That small an elevation of an enzyme is nothing to worry about. When there is significant disease, you see massive elevations, into the hundreds or even thousands (the latter mostly with creatinine phosphokinase). Without other elevated enzymes, an especially cautious clinician might repeat it immediately, or even in a few months. If the AST and/or alkaline phosphatase (other enzymes) were also elevated, that would be a little more grounds for concern, as would be elevation of bilirubin.
BUN and creatinine, the latter especially, are more a matter of concern. Unless they are quite high, however, it's often best to wait and repeat. For example, I had routine tests of these when I went on a new anti-diabetic medication. We concluded that I couldn't take the drug, metformin, because the creatinine was steadily going up, sometimes only a unit or fraction, but steadily over several weeks. Stopping the drug and watching the BUN and creatinine return to normal proved that was the problem, although we may try it again starting from an extremely low dose -- it had lots of beneficial effects.
With hoomins, the most definitive creatinine measurements involve some computations both with blood creatinine and creatinine in a 24-hour urine sample. What is really clinically important is the rate at which creatinine is excreted. Since it's not practical to get a 24-hour urine from a cat, a little more invasive technique is used: take one blood sample, then inject a known dose of creatinine through the same needle. Measure the blood creatinine before the additional dose was given. Wait a timed period, and take another blood creatinine. The difference between the two, given a known load to challenge the kidneys, gives the clearance rate.
I'd have to see the electrolytes; there are four values, sodium, potassium, chloride, and bicarbonate. Often, the ratios among them are more important than the specific values. Having them all low would be extremely rare.
I can think of only one case where a hoomin managed to test with all four below normals, and, in that case, the sodium was much lower than the others. This was my first wife's trip to the emergency room after she became faint from what turned out to be overdosing on iced tea. It was a very hot day and she drank several gallons. Tea and coffee do have a slight diuretic -- accelerated sodium and sometimes potassium excretioon -- but she really overloaded on water more than anything else. She needed a couple of liters of IV fluids with added potassium and sodium, and for everyone to stop laughing at her.
Very few people manage to turn iced tea into a drug of abuse.
Victor Martinez - 19 May 2005 03:29 GMT > That small an elevation of an enzyme is nothing to worry about. When > there is significant disease, you see massive elevations, into the > hundreds or even thousands (the latter mostly with creatinine Thanks, that makes me feel a whole lot better!
> BUN and creatinine, the latter especially, are more a matter of concern. > Unless they are quite high, however, it's often best to wait and repeat. I saw only a plot of these, not actual values. The BUN was inside the normal range, but close to the high threshold. The creatinine was above the threshold, but right above it. I'm hoping that's a good sign as well.
> a timed period, and take another blood creatinine. The difference > between the two, given a known load to challenge the kidneys, gives the > clearance rate. Yikes, that does sound a bit harsh.
> I'd have to see the electrolytes; there are four values, sodium, > potassium, chloride, and bicarbonate. Often, the ratios among them are > more important than the specific values. Having them all low would be > extremely rare. I'll get a copy of the test results tomorrow. They offered to fax them to me, but I don't have a fax at home. I've been meaning to get one of those all-in-one machines, I might get one yet.
> Very few people manage to turn iced tea into a drug of abuse.
:) I don't recall Basho drinking any iced tea, but I'll keep an eye on him. Thank you very much for your insight, it is always interesting, and in this case, very comforting as well.
Latest update on Basho: he's acting his normal goofy, loving self. We have an appointment for his ultrasound Friday morning, but we'll be on the waiting list for tomorrow (thursday) in case they can squeeze us in. I'll be working from home so I can take him to TED's office at a moment's notice (it's a 5 minute drive). In the mean time, Basho is getting extra lovings and all of our attention. I've also started a spreadsheet in which we'll record each cat's weight and monitor it often. It can help us catch something like this sooner. Thanks again.
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Howard Berkowitz - 19 May 2005 04:46 GMT > > That small an elevation of an enzyme is nothing to worry about. When > > there is significant disease, you see massive elevations, into the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > normal range, but close to the high threshold. The creatinine was above > the threshold, but right above it. I'm hoping that's a good sign as well. It could be reasonable to repeat it monthly or every 6 weeks for a while. Individual slight elevations are much less significant than a trend of elevation.
> > a timed period, and take another blood creatinine. The difference > > between the two, given a known load to challenge the kidneys, gives the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > :) I don't recall Basho drinking any iced tea, but I'll keep an eye on > :him. My ex is now carefully supervised by the successor to her ancient and much missed Theo, Hickory. When she discovered she COULD get pregnant at her age, soon after Ben was born, Hickory wandered by and informed the residents that he would be the nanny, thank you, and has done a great deal in child discipline as well as companionship.
> Thank you very much for your insight, it is always interesting, and in > this case, very comforting as well. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and monitor it often. It can help us catch something like this sooner. > Thanks again. That is an exceptionally good idea, especially when there might be issues with electrolytes and possible too much or too little water. Does anyone know if there is a method for seeing how much of a cat's skin you can comfortably pinch, as an indication of possibly being hydrated or dehydrated? ISTR a vet saying this, but I don't remember the technique.
Jo Firey - 19 May 2005 05:21 GMT > That is an exceptionally good idea, especially when there might be > issues with electrolytes and possible too much or too little water. Does > anyone know if there is a method for seeing how much of a cat's skin you > can comfortably pinch, as an indication of possibly being hydrated or > dehydrated? ISTR a vet saying this, but I don't remember the technique. Its got something to do with how elastic the skin is I think. How quickly it springs back or doesn't. One of those things they can show you how to do.
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Jo Firey - 19 May 2005 05:19 GMT > Latest update on Basho: he's acting his normal goofy, loving self. We have > an appointment for his ultrasound Friday morning, but we'll be on the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and monitor it often. It can help us catch something like this sooner. > Thanks again. Glad he appears better. If nothing else he's figured out how to get more attention in a many cat household.
I always feel awful when one of mine gets sick. Because of course they can't tell you it hurts or they don't feel well. I think the weight spreadsheet is a great idea. Whenever we get an invoice from out vet it includes the date each pet was last weighed, and the weight. And all the shots and when they had them and when they are due again. Even that system has its flaws. Our cats go out and I try to make sure they all are current on their rabies shots. But it isn't required by law so we don't get a reminder from the vet until I remember to ask for them to get their first one.
Hope its just the oriental cat touch of twitchy gut and that Basho feels better soon.
Jo
Helen Miles - 18 May 2005 19:56 GMT > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( > TED wants to do an ultrasound to see if there's anything else (she > didn't use the C word, but I'm afraid that's what she thought) of > concern.//// {{{{{{{VICTOR & BASHO}}}}}}} You and Basho have the motor purrs of HRFL, the squeaky-deep purrs of the two girls and the very quiet purrs of the 3 babies. You also have my prayers and all paws crossed.
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Shiral - 18 May 2005 19:59 GMT PURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!
I'm so sorry Victor. I hope it won't be the big C. Courage! And get-well ear scritches to Basho.
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Debra Berry - 18 May 2005 20:18 GMT Best wishes and purrs for Basho and for you. I hope that no major problems are found.
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> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Judith Latham - 18 May 2005 20:34 GMT > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a > very special soul.
> Victor, holding down tears at the office. Prayers and healing thoughts for Basho.
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Fuga :o\) - 18 May 2005 20:41 GMT Oh no. Major purrs to you and the kitties.
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Julie Cook - 18 May 2005 20:46 GMT > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Lots of loud, rubbly purrs coming for Basho from the Stone Mountain Pride and gentle headbutts for you and Tom. Hopefully this will be something easily treated and Basho will be feeling well in no time.
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Julie Cook - 18 May 2005 21:06 GMT > Lots of loud, rubbly purrs coming for Basho from the Stone Mountain > Pride and gentle headbutts for you and Tom. Hopefully this will be > something easily treated and Basho will be feeling well in no time. > > Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey and Sam Victor, Barnabus is sending purrs as well and would be very unhappy if he knew I forgot to include him. That's what I get for trying to send messages when I'm working. Barnabus and Julie
O J - 18 May 2005 21:12 GMT >His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated >and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a >very special soul. We'll be purring that it's something that can be easily attended to. Keep your chin up.
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Yoj - 18 May 2005 21:23 GMT Purrs for Basho, and for you.
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> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. CatNipped - 18 May 2005 21:45 GMT > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Oh no Victor! Mega healing purrs coming his way.
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Ann - 18 May 2005 22:49 GMT Purrs for Basho and for you and Tom. ann
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> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Christine Burel - 19 May 2005 00:26 GMT Bigtime purrs coming from here, Victor. Christine
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Yowie - 19 May 2005 00:51 GMT > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a > very special soul. Purrs that its nothing a few antibiotics can't fix.
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Gabey8 - 19 May 2005 00:51 GMT [[His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( TED wants to do an ultrasound to see if there's anything else (she didn't use the C word, but I'm afraid that's what she thought) of concern. We'll get an appointment for tomorrow and should have feedback right away. I'm clearing my schedule to be able to be there. Please purr for my little guy. He's not even 5 years old and he is a very special soul.
Victor, holding down tears at the office.]]
Fervent prayers and purrs for Basho are on the way at once! :o( May whatever's causing the problem be easily treatable and may Basho make a full recovery!
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CATherine - 19 May 2005 03:43 GMT >His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated >and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Victor, holding down tears at the office. We are puirring it is just an infection that will heal with a few pills. Purrs,
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Sam Nash - 19 May 2005 03:57 GMT > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Ack! "Basho get better" purrs on the way post-haste. Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
badwilson - 19 May 2005 05:24 GMT > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is > elevated and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Oh, Victor I'm so sorry! Many purrs coming right up! I hope it's not the evil C. Purr, purr, purr! -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Exocat - 19 May 2005 08:31 GMT Really sorry to hear this. Major purrs to Basho & all who care for him that it's soluble.
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> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. wafflycat - 19 May 2005 11:54 GMT > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Oh Victor! Of course there's many, many purrs & good vibes coming from this side of the pond straight to Basho and to a frazzled Victor.
gentle *hugs* helen s
SuzQ - 19 May 2005 12:06 GMT Purrs for Basho. I hope its nothing too serious, or a least treatable. Suz&Spicey
polonca12000 - 19 May 2005 22:01 GMT Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for the ultrasound to be negative,
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> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Singh - 20 May 2005 03:06 GMT Many, many purrs for your little champ, from me and my four little purr machines, that Basho will be strong and well and that you have peace in your catloving soul.
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> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Susan M - 20 May 2005 05:03 GMT Victor:
I'm sorry I wasn't here to join the purrs earlier. Lots of purrs coming to Basho, you and Tom, and your whole furry crew.
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> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. Adrian - 20 May 2005 10:30 GMT > His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is > elevated and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office. How worrying. Mega purrs for the little chap.
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hobbs - 29 May 2005 13:56 GMT Victor I'm having trouble with replying so I dont read too many posts but if I see any Purrs needed I do answer, I'm sorry I didn't see this I do hope Basho is alright and I dont read anything to the contrary as I go a bit further, Many Purrs for Basho, and yourself. Jean.P.
> His bloodwork came back and it's not good. One liver enzime is elevated > and his electrolites are abnormal too. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Victor, holding down tears at the office.
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