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Monique Y. Mudama - 17 May 2005 22:09 GMT
I've been reading Tad Williams' Otherland series recently.  I read the
first two books several years ago, but I lost interest.  This time, I
made sure I had all four on tap so that I could blast through them.

You really have to pay attention to these books, which feature an
enormous cast of people spread throughout, well, really, several
worlds.  Every few pages has a cliffhanger for that particular group
of people, and you may not hear about that group for another 100
pages.  You really have to pay attention, and if you wait too long
between reading sessions, you'll probably forget all of the intricate
threads.

Anyway, halfway through my copy of volume 3, Mountain Of Black Glass ...
50 pages are missing.  Arrrrrgh!

I called Borders, but their only other copy has the same defect.
They've ordered me another copy, which may or may not be any better.
So in the meantime, I've emailed DAW to see if they can help me out.

Best case, it will be a week before I can read any further into the
series.  Most likely, it will be longer than that.

Arrrrghh!!

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Christine Burel - 17 May 2005 23:34 GMT
Monique, have you tried your local library?
Christine
> I've been reading Tad Williams' Otherland series recently.  I read the
> first two books several years ago, but I lost interest.  This time, I
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>
> Arrrrghh!!
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 00:26 GMT
> Monique, have you tried your local library?
> Christine

I'm embarrassed to admit that not only had that not occurred to me,
but I don't even know *where* our local library is.  If a book
interests me, I always buy it ...

That's a great point.  I'll look into it.

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Mary - 18 May 2005 01:03 GMT
> > Monique, have you tried your local library?
> > Christine
>
> I'm embarrassed to admit that not only had that not occurred to me,
> but I don't even know *where* our local library is.  If a book
> interests me, I always buy it ...

I got tired of storing (and moving, ugh) books a while back and
use my local county library for fiction.  I frequently raid my own
shelves for books read once and not likely to be read again,
and when I am returning my library books I donate them.
Christine Burel - 18 May 2005 01:36 GMT
Monique, another thought, what about used bookstores?
Christine

> > > Monique, have you tried your local library?
> > > Christine
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> shelves for books read once and not likely to be read again,
> and when I am returning my library books I donate them.
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 02:59 GMT
> Monique, another thought, what about used bookstores?
> Christine

That may be an idea ... I'm not aware of the ones around here, though.
I tend to spend way too much money on "bargain" books while browsing
such places for hours on end, so ... I guess I just haven't looked
them up.  You do remind me, though, that I could ask on freecycle!

Just for the record, I was more interested in ranting than in solving
my problem =)  I do appreciate the ideas, though.

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Christine Burel - 18 May 2005 03:36 GMT
LOL!  Sorry to have ruined your rant ;o).  The same thing had happened to me
with a Stephen R. Donaldson hardcover -- I wrote the publisher and
eventually they sent me a new one; however, I couldn't stand it either and
found it in a used bookstore.
Christine
> > Monique, another thought, what about used bookstores?
> > Christine
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> Just for the record, I was more interested in ranting than in solving
> my problem =)  I do appreciate the ideas, though.
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 03:52 GMT
> LOL!  Sorry to have ruined your rant ;o).  The same thing had happened to me
> with a Stephen R. Donaldson hardcover -- I wrote the publisher and
> eventually they sent me a new one; however, I couldn't stand it either and
> found it in a used bookstore.

No worries; it's not ruined =P  I just keep finding myself thinking,
well, I'll go read a chapter and find out what Renie is up to ... but
I can't.

I'm hoping my freecycle idea pans out.  There must be *someone* in
Boulder County who has this book and won't mind me borrowing it.

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Rrb - 18 May 2005 05:15 GMT
>>LOL!  Sorry to have ruined your rant ;o).  The same thing had happened to me
>>with a Stephen R. Donaldson hardcover -- I wrote the publisher and
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> I'm hoping my freecycle idea pans out.  There must be *someone* in
> Boulder County who has this book and won't mind me borrowing it.

That sounds like a bummer. If none of your other options pan out you
might see if it is available as an e-book.
Marina - 18 May 2005 04:33 GMT
> Just for the record, I was more interested in ranting than in solving
> my problem =)  I do appreciate the ideas, though.

I feel for you. That happened to me one summer on the island - and not
with just one book, but two! With both books, some of the pages were
duplicate, while others were missing completely. And there was nowhere
to go for better copies. Grrr.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 04:32 GMT
>> Just for the record, I was more interested in ranting than in
>> solving my problem =)  I do appreciate the ideas, though.
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> were duplicate, while others were missing completely. And there was
> nowhere to go for better copies. Grrr.

Ack!  That would drive me absolutely bonkers.

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Mary - 18 May 2005 19:29 GMT
> > Monique, another thought, what about used bookstores?
> > Christine
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> Just for the record, I was more interested in ranting than in solving
> my problem =)  I do appreciate the ideas, though.

Your honesty is one of the things I really like about you, Monique.
W. Leong - 18 May 2005 21:21 GMT
>> > Monique, have you tried your local library?
>> > Christine
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> shelves for books read once and not likely to be read again,
> and when I am returning my library books I donate them.

I do that too.No sense for these books to collect dust while they can sit on
the library shelves. The problem with library books is they often are
checked
out. I reserved a book recently and found that I am behind over 100 people
in the queue. Wonder how long it will be before I get the book.

Winnie
Mary - 18 May 2005 23:41 GMT
> >> > Monique, have you tried your local library?
> >> > Christine
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> the library shelves. The problem with library books is they often are
> checked out. I reserved a book recently and found that I am behind over
100 people
> in the queue. Wonder how long it will be before I get the book.

Wow, I am so curious, Winnie, what is the book? That has never
happened to me, I must have weird taste in books. Actually, one
reason why I can always find fiction is the same reason I can
always find a movie on TV that I have never seen: I spent many
years in school and working so many hours I had no time for
either fiction or movies. So bestsellers from 15 years ago are
still new to me!
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 23:49 GMT
> Wow, I am so curious, Winnie, what is the book? That has never
> happened to me, I must have weird taste in books. Actually, one
> reason why I can always find fiction is the same reason I can always
> find a movie on TV that I have never seen: I spent many years in
> school and working so many hours I had no time for either fiction or
> movies. So bestsellers from 15 years ago are still new to me!

I'm that way about movies.  I can always get what I want on netflix; I
hear that's not the case when people are constantly going after the
latest blockbusters.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 21:51 GMT
> I got tired of storing (and moving, ugh) books a while back and use
> my local county library for fiction.  I frequently raid my own
> shelves for books read once and not likely to be read again, and
> when I am returning my library books I donate them.

There are very few books I'd put in that category (read once and not
likely to be read again) ... just more evidence that I'm a packrat, I
suppose.

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Mary - 18 May 2005 23:39 GMT
> > I got tired of storing (and moving, ugh) books a while back and use
> > my local county library for fiction.  I frequently raid my own
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> likely to be read again) ... just more evidence that I'm a packrat, I
> suppose.

Although I get the heebie jeebies if I own too much stuff, I secretly
worship packrats. They are responsible for the survival of countless
precious
collectibles, old toys, clothes, shoes, books, jewelry, etc.
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 23:50 GMT
>> There are very few books I'd put in that category (read once and
>> not likely to be read again) ... just more evidence that I'm a
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> countless precious collectibles, old toys, clothes, shoes, books,
> jewelry, etc.

Don't forget the precious dust bunnies!  You can't collect all that old
crap^H^H^H^Htreasure without providing homes for many, many dust
bunnies.

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Mary - 19 May 2005 16:54 GMT
> >> There are very few books I'd put in that category (read once and
> >> not likely to be read again) ... just more evidence that I'm a
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> crap^H^H^H^Htreasure without providing homes for many, many dust
> bunnies.

Excellent point. You and your kind are a boon to dustbunnies
everywhere, but especially the ones in your closets and under
your bed. :)
Jane - 19 May 2005 14:20 GMT
>> shelves for books read once and not likely to be read again, and
>> when I am returning my library books I donate them.
>
>There are very few books I'd put in that category (read once and not
>likely to be read again) ... just more evidence that I'm a packrat, I
>suppose.

Oh, just move a few times and that'll cure ya.  Trust me on this.
I used to collect books, too, but after moving a few times I've
whittled them down to a few precious favorites.  

Unfortunately, the room has been taken up by my fabric collection,
which now covers the entire dining-room wall and part of the
living room, as well as a couple of large bins in the bedroom
and living room.  Oh, I can't whittle them down! You never KNOW
when a client or friend will need 10 yards of burgundy satin,
right?  rofl

Jane
Mary - 19 May 2005 16:43 GMT
> >> shelves for books read once and not likely to be read again, and
> >> when I am returning my library books I donate them.
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> I used to collect books, too, but after moving a few times I've
> whittled them down to a few precious favorites.

This is EXACTLY what happened to me.I have always been
in love with books--fiction and non, reference, picture books,
all of them! But moving convinced me that I must own less of them.
Even if you have movers move you, just the packing and unpacking!
But if you move them yourself it is backbreaking.

I'm just more selective now. With fiction, I only keep the ones I
find so delicious that I may want to read them again or pass them on
to a friend.
Monique Y. Mudama - 19 May 2005 18:40 GMT
>>There are very few books I'd put in that category (read once and not
>>likely to be read again) ... just more evidence that I'm a packrat,
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> used to collect books, too, but after moving a few times I've
> whittled them down to a few precious favorites.  

I just avoid moving at almost all cost.  I HATE moving.  Now that we
have a house we love with plenty of room, I don't see us moving
anytime soon.

> Unfortunately, the room has been taken up by my fabric collection,
> which now covers the entire dining-room wall and part of the living
> room, as well as a couple of large bins in the bedroom and living
> room.  Oh, I can't whittle them down! You never KNOW when a client
> or friend will need 10 yards of burgundy satin, right?  rofl

Right.  You collect fabric; I collect books.  I can guarantee you that
fabrics wouldn't make my list of things to take with me when I move =P

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Takayuki - 18 May 2005 03:23 GMT
>Anyway, halfway through my copy of volume 3, Mountain Of Black Glass ...
>50 pages are missing.  Arrrrrgh!

Well, that's pretty annoying.  That's not a book, it's a torture
device. :)
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 03:38 GMT
>>Anyway, halfway through my copy of volume 3, Mountain Of Black Glass
>>...  50 pages are missing.  Arrrrrgh!
>
> Well, that's pretty annoying.  That's not a book, it's a torture
> device. :)

LOL!  Too true.  Especially when you realize that it's the third in a
series of four SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY page books.  I have a serious
time investment in these things!

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Duke of URL - 18 May 2005 07:21 GMT
Monique I. Madame wrote:

> I've been reading Tad Williams' Otherland series recently.  I read the
> first two books several years ago, but I lost interest.  This time, I
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>
> Arrrrghh!!

A suitably pitiful whine mailed to the author, condemning careless
publishers/printers to, oh, say the 7th Circle of Hell, might very well get
you a free copy of the next book.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 18:22 GMT
> A suitably pitiful whine mailed to the author, condemning careless
> publishers/printers to, oh, say the 7th Circle of Hell, might very
> well get you a free copy of the next book.

Could be, but I already have all four of the series.  Honestly, I just
want my 50 pages!

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Karen AKA Kajikit - 18 May 2005 16:41 GMT
>I've been reading Tad Williams' Otherland series recently.  I read the
>first two books several years ago, but I lost interest.  This time, I
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>
>Arrrrghh!!

That sort of thing is sooo frustrating! I once bought a Star Trek book
and it sat on my shelf for at least six months before I got around to
reading it... when I was well and truly into it I came to a section of
about twenty pages where they'd accidentally reprinted the ones before
and skipped out a whole chapter! And of course it was much too late to
take it back to the shop (I guess I could have but I didn't want to
make a fuss)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 18:21 GMT
> That sort of thing is sooo frustrating! I once bought a Star Trek
> book and it sat on my shelf for at least six months before I got
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> was much too late to take it back to the shop (I guess I could have
> but I didn't want to make a fuss)

Doh!  Did you ever find out what was missing?

My book is so fast-paced that I refuse to read another page until I
get the missing section.  I'm already grumpy because, while trying to
figure out what was wrong, I've found out that people in a certain
perlious position made it through intact ... bah!

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Magic Mood Jeep© - 18 May 2005 17:42 GMT
> I've been reading Tad Williams' Otherland series recently.  I read the
> first two books several years ago, but I lost interest.  This time, I
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All these stories everyone's posted here about this remind me of one of the
*M*A*S*H* episodes, where one of them (I think it was Hawkeye) got a murder
mystery book in the mail, and they *all* wanted to read it, so when the
first person was done with a chapter - he tore that chapter out of the book,
and passed it on to the next... and it kept going like that until it got so
no-one knew who had what chapter, and when the first person got to the end
of the book, the last chapter was missing - never printed in the book.  They
went through everything and it just wasn't there.  They went through all
sorts of shenanigans and finally resorted to calling the author(ess) back in
the states to find out "whodunit", and it turned out she was 80+ years old
and couldn't remember..... she just said so-n-so did it, and that got them
off the phone.  5 minutes later, they were realizing that that person
*couldn't* have done it because he had a rock-solid alibi.  I think they
ended up 're-creating' the whole murder scene from the book to figure it
out. I think that was the first ever "host a murder-mystery" dinner party :)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 18 May 2005 18:17 GMT
> All these stories everyone's posted here about this remind me of one
> of the *M*A*S*H* episodes, where one of them (I think it was
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> whole murder scene from the book to figure it out. I think that was
> the first ever "host a murder-mystery" dinner party :)

Sounds like a fun episode!  I've never seen it, but it sounds very
MASH-y =P

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