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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / May 2005WI Cat Killers Defeated
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/killing_wild_cats Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/killing_wild_cats > > Theresa > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Excellent news! What killed me (pardon the pun) was this: *The La Crosse firefighter who proposed the idea, Mark Smith, complained the advisory group caved in to animal rights activists. But he said he won't pursue the issue. "I think it is wrong that these activists hold such power as they do," he said in a telephone interview. "The politicians are all scared of them and lay down. I am one little guy who was looking to change something. It is not about animal cruelty, it is about individual landowner rights."* No, you moron, it's about you wanting to shoot cats. There are other, humane ways to deal with ferals and strays. What an idiot! Jill >>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/killing_wild_cats >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > No, you moron, it's about you wanting to shoot cats. There are other, > humane ways to deal with ferals and strays. What an idiot! Well, you must realize Wisconsin, Minnesota and much of the upper midwest is "huntin' & fishin'" country, and they tend to be a rather gun-happy lot. I was shocked to learn - in the article - that Minnesota allows people to shoot feral cats. I don't think that was always true. I'm sure my first cat, who one day wandered into the summer camp I was attending, was a little "woods kitty" who had strayed too far from his mama. What a loss to my childhood if someone had shot him (or his pregnant mama, before he was born)! >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/killing_wild_cats >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Jill That bill was dead before it made if off the floor and everyone knew it......if he is really serious he will make another run at it.....but the cat people weren't very well organized all I heard over and over was the statement you just made Jill that there are other ways to curb the problem but not once did any of them publicly say what those ways were if we want to win next time we need more than an elderly lady standing at the court house claiming there are other ways because yo uknow next time Smith is going to come out stronger yet. It is a serious problem and the only reason anything is getting done is because of people like a lot of people around here doing it themselves but thats not enough. I don't know if I want a pack of 30 cats showing up daily in my backyard when I have kids playing in the neighborhood. Do you know if anyone has asked the state for any money to help correct the problem? This is the time to do it while its still fresh in everyones mind. Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/killing_wild_cats >>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > were if we want to win next time we need more than an elderly lady > standing at the court house claiming there are other ways You callin' me an elderly lady?! ;) I was nowhere near that courthouse! LOL because yo > uknow next time Smith is going to come out stronger yet. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cats showing up daily in my backyard when I have kids playing in the > neighborhood. A "pack of cats" is better than a "pack of dogs" any day. Feral cats don't attack humans; they shy away from them unless they are being fed. Feral dogs, on the other hand, form the instinctual pack mentality and are generally agressive. Do you know if anyone has asked the state for any money > to help correct the problem? This is the time to do it while its still > fresh in everyones mind. I have no idea; I don't live in Wisconsin. Most of the feral feeding colonies I've read about are a result of the efforts of these types of groups who opposed the bill, services offered by veterinarians and otherwise kind-hearted people who are willing to chip in and help with food, spuetering costs, even trapping, socializing and then homing the cats. Jill > Brad > > LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A > WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, > SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > I don't know if I want a pack of 30 > cats showing up daily in my backyard when I have kids playing in the > neighborhood. If your kids are like most, I seriously doubt whether ONE feral cat would "show up daily in your back yard", let alone "a pack of 30"! They're "feral" because they avoid human contact - especially that of active, noisy children. If they are friendly enough to seek human companionship, someone would most likely adopt them, and they'd not be "feral" any more. >> I don't know if I want a pack of 30 >> cats showing up daily in my backyard when I have kids playing in the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >someone would most likely adopt them, and they'd not be >"feral" any more. I stand corrected I repeated something that I had been told or read I am not sure..... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/killing_wild_cats >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Jill I don't know if I helped by phoning USA and leaving a message on this chap Mark's answering machine which said that his ridiculous proposal had reached as far as England, and how would he like it if I alerted the BBC to this? I like to think it did some good. Tweed > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/killing_wild_cats > > Theresa > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com How do you like that guys comment "Oh poor widdle me". Whatever. If animal activists had as much "power" as he claims, there would be a hell of a lot different enforcement on all abuse in position. >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/killing_wild_cats >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >activists had as much "power" as he claims, there would be a hell of a lot >different enforcement on all abuse in position. Twerp. He strikes me as a gun nut who just wants something else to shoot. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Well, 3 cheers for the Wisconsin Guv!!! At least, unlike the people who make up the "advisory group" (what does this term mean to you? Same as to me? A mysterious, non-identifiable bunch, unable to point fingers @ for their actions/intents? Yeah.) he seems to care not only what the constituents think of HIM ("Cat-Killer! PETA Enemy! A******!) but what *other* states think of Wisconsin (laughingstock a milder term). I bet there are many more voters in his state than the other cat-shooting states: Minnesota and South Dakota - not noted for their large population stats, just like where I am now: too d*** cold. High five for the Guv, anyway, for vetoing this insanity. >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/killing_wild_cats >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > Twerp. He strikes me as a gun nut who just wants something else to > shoot. Unfortunately there are an awful lot of them in rural Wisconsin and Minnesota! > Theresa > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com I am 100% against the shooting of cats but also hate being probably the only person in this group who sees both sides of this issue. Feral cats kill a lot of animals in the woods.....partridge and pheasants who make their nests on the ground are being decimated by the cats...is it fair that one cat can eat dozens of bird eggs? rabbits the same way. The defense of those kooks in Wisconsin just want something to shoot is not a very good defense. Wild dogs are bringing down yearling whitetail deer......I don't have the answers but its not a one sided issue. Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > > I am 100% against the shooting of cats but also hate being probably [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cats...is it fair that one cat can eat dozens of bird eggs? rabbits > the same way. Well, first off, residents in rural communities might try "educating" the summer visitors (who are largely responsible for all those abandoned animals). They acquire a "live toy" for the kids to play with while they're on vacation, but the supplier doesn't tell them that a pet is a lifetime commitment, not a "thing" to be discarded when it becomes inconvenient. They don't do it so much with dogs (although it happens) but because a domestic cat will still hunt for recreation (rather like humans) they falsely assume that it can take care of itself, if they simply let it loose in the woods, somewhere. The defense of those kooks in Wisconsin just want > something to shoot is not a very good defense. Not a "defense" perhaps, but it's certainly true! >> >> I am 100% against the shooting of cats but also hate being probably [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Not a "defense" perhaps, but it's certainly true! With all due respect most people board animals before going on vacation or to a summer home I would have to question how many cats are abondoned from that source......I am a kook from Wisconsin and you would be surprised how much of a problem wild dogs are also running in packs. And the cats as I comment in a posting coming up kill alot of wildlife........its just a flat out serious problem with no end in sight. Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > With all due respect most people board animals before going on > vacation or to a summer home You're talking about responsible pet-owners who may take their animals on vacation with them, but wouldn't dream of abandoning them! Unfortunately, there are too many of the other kind, who regard non-human animals as "things" to be used and discarded at will (a lot of THOSE go on vacation, too). > I would have to question how many cats > are abondoned from that source...... Ask my friend who has a small farm in Minnesota's "North Woods" resort area how many get dumped in her woods! (Every year she aquires a fresh crop, when the summer people return home, abandoning them.) > I am a kook from Wisconsin and you > would be surprised how much of a problem wild dogs are also running in > packs. I'd not be "surprised" at all! Dogs are pack animals - deprived of human care-givers, they will run in packs, and are likely to be aggressive. However, cats have entirely different temperaments, so feral cats will run from humans, rather than attacking them. > And the cats as I comment in a posting coming up kill alot of > wildlife........ You think it's better they should starve? Although many indoor-outdoor cats may enjoy an occasional "snack" of mouse or songbird, a well fed cat is not likely to make heavy inroads on the local wildlife. (Also, it's HARD to catch a wild bird - I've watched hunting cats, and they miss more often than they succeed.) And you WANT them to deplete the rodent population, don't you? Rather than defend the indefensible, perhaps you should promote organizing to feed (and trap and neuter) them, rather than shooting them for something that's no fault of theirs? > its just a flat out serious problem with no end in > sight. It would end rather quickly, with a program in place rendering the service described above. Especially if there were a program to educate would-be pet owners, as well. >You think it's better they should starve? Although many >indoor-outdoor cats may enjoy an occasional "snack" of mouse [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >(and trap and neuter) them, rather than shooting them for >something that's no fault of theirs? Thanks for the response but killing live birds isn't the problem its birds like the ruffed grouse.....pheasant.......partridge .....and a couple more who nest on the ground and its the eggs that the cats get......so no I don't they should starve but a dozen pheasant eggs for dinner isn't a good solution either.......I enjoyed your response but have to wonder if the problem isn't beyond what you describe above.....but then again I don't have a better answer so I am not criticisizing your thoughts.....one thing that would be very easy to do but admittedly very much of a longshot would be to have a large fine for people caught abandoning animals. It may deter a few anyway......... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/killing_wild_cats > >Theresa >Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh >My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Pity it's illegal to put a bounty on The La Crosse firefighter who proposed the idea, Mark Smith.....I'm sure with a nationwide contribution the fund would be pretty big....if only it were legal....sigh. |
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