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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / July 2005[OT] Arkansas?
Dumb question: Why is the state of Kansas pronounced "kan-zus" but the state of Arkansas is not pronounced "ar-kan-zus" but rather "Ark-en-saw"? Yowie > Dumb question: > > Why is the state of Kansas pronounced "kan-zus" but the state of Arkansas is > not pronounced "ar-kan-zus" but rather "Ark-en-saw"? I think they are both Indian words, probably from different Native American languages and probably seriously adulterated by Anglo-types mangling them over the years. Plus, American English is anything but consistant! >>Dumb question: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Anglo-types mangling them over the years. Plus, American English > is anything but consistant! How very true! There are a lot of Spanish place names and street names in the American Southwest, but unless you live there, chances are your pronunciation of them won't be recognized by the "natives"! Some keep ther Spanish pronunciation (more or less), some are totally Anglicized, and only the people who live there know which is which. > How very true! There are a lot of Spanish place names and > street names in the American Southwest, but unless you live > there, chances are your pronunciation of them won't be > recognized by the "natives"! Yes, indeed! That "j" that sounds like "h" messes most of us Anglo-types up every time! >Some keep ther Spanish > pronunciation (more or less), some are totally Anglicized, > and only the people who live there know which is which. There are also examples of place names that even the natives pronounce wrong--such as St. AUG ust TINE, Florida. It is named for the saint, and his name was definitely St. au GUST in. > > How very true! There are a lot of Spanish place names and > > street names in the American Southwest, but unless you live [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Florida. It is named for the saint, and his name was > definitely St. au GUST in. And in California, there's Los Angeles. The common pronunciation is Loss AN jell us. Some people from other states pronounce it Loss AN jell eze. The correct pronunciation, since it is Spanish, is Lowce Ahn hell ace. And then there's La Jolla, which is pronounced (correctly) La HOYa. Joy >>> How very true! There are a lot of Spanish place names and >>> street names in the American Southwest, but unless you live [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Joy It all depends on the influence of the early settlers and then the ones who made a life in the area. There were both French and Spanish explorers in the southern us. My parents live on St. Helena, which used to be a Spanish stronghold but it's certainly not now. However, the Acadians came down from Nova Scotia and settled in the Louisana territories after being exiled from France. There was a lot of melding in terms of exploration, along with the English, the Scots, the German and everyone else in between. I lost track of what I was saying. I apologize; I'm tired and I am having bad dreams. The names were originally Native American and bastardized by those who followed. Jill >And in California, there's Los Angeles. The common pronunciation is Loss AN >jell us. Some people from other states pronounce it Loss AN jell eze. The >correct pronunciation, since it is Spanish, is Lowce Ahn hell ace. And then >there's La Jolla, which is pronounced (correctly) La HOYa. I pronounce everything as if it were English - San Diego = san Dye go. Los Angeles = los ann Gell eeze. La Jolla = la Jah luh. Art >>And in California, there's Los Angeles. The common pronunciation is Loss >>AN [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Art Which is fine as long as you don't care if anyone knows what you are talking about. I love the entire original name of Los Angeles. I used to could say it in Spanish but have forgotten some of the words. Translated to English, it is "The City of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels". So much prettier than just calling it Marysville. Jo > >>And in California, there's Los Angeles. The common pronunciation is Loss > >>AN [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Jo Actually, it's El Pueblo del Rio de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles de Pornicula (The last word is probably misspelled). The translation is "The Town of the River of Our Lady the Queen of the Angeles of Pornicula (or whatever the name of the town is)". Joy >>And in California, there's Los Angeles. The common pronunciation is Loss AN >>jell us. Some people from other states pronounce it Loss AN jell eze. The [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I pronounce everything as if it were English - San Diego = san Dye go. Los > Angeles = los ann Gell eeze. La Jolla = la Jah luh. YOu're safe enough with Los Angeles (although most of us pronounce it "Lahs ANN-jell-us") "San DYE-go" will probably get you a few odd looks, but folks might recognize the slaughtered pronunciation. (What makes you think that's an "English" pronunciation, BTW - even semi-literate red-necks say "Dee-AY-go".) However, if you refer to "la Jah luh" anywhere in Southern California, no one will know what you're talking about - we all pronounce it "La HOY-a" >> Dumb question: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Anglo-types mangling them over the years. Plus, American English >is anything but consistant! Bough pronounced 'bow' Cough pronounced 'coff' Dough pronounced 'doh' Rough pronounced 'ruff' and Brougham pronounced 'broom' I am not sure, but I think lakes in Ireland are called loughs, so effectively there is an English word lough and I think it is pronounced differently as well. By the way, how do you pronounce 'photi'?  SignatureDavid Stevenson Storypage: http://blakjak.com/sty_menu.htm Liverpool, England, UK <cat2@blakjak.com> Emails welcome Nanki Poo: SI O+W B 12 Y L+ W++ C+ I T+ A- E H++ V- F Q P+ B+ PA+ PL SC Minke: SI W+Cp B 3 Y L W+ C++ I T A- E H++ V++ F- Q- P B PA+ PL+ SC- >>> Dumb question: >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > By the way, how do you pronounce 'photi'? That should be "Ghoti," and it's pronounced "fish." ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:14:18 +0100, David Stevenson >> By the way, how do you pronounce 'photi'? > >That should be "Ghoti," and it's pronounced "fish." ;) True. SignatureDavid Stevenson Storypage: http://blakjak.com/sty_menu.htm Liverpool, England, UK <cat2@blakjak.com> Emails welcome Nanki Poo: SI O+W B 12 Y L+ W++ C+ I T+ A- E H++ V- F Q P+ B+ PA+ PL SC Minke: SI W+Cp B 3 Y L W+ C++ I T A- E H++ V++ F- Q- P B PA+ PL+ SC- >Dumb question: > >Why is the state of Kansas pronounced "kan-zus" but the state of Arkansas is >not pronounced "ar-kan-zus" but rather "Ark-en-saw"? Just to throw another tidbit into the mix, the 'Arkansas' in Arkansas City, Kansas (pop. 12,043) _is_ pronounced "ar-kan-zus." Figure that one out. See also http://tafkac.org/books/legman/arkansas_pronunciation.html L. >Dumb question: > >Why is the state of Kansas pronounced "kan-zus" but the state of Arkansas is >not pronounced "ar-kan-zus" but rather "Ark-en-saw"? Sorry, I meant to include this link also which does give an explanation. Blame it on the French. http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19980331 > >Dumb question: > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19980331 Very interesting! I was not aware of the French element! > Dumb question: > Why is the state of Kansas pronounced "kan-zus" but the state of > Arkansas is not pronounced "ar-kan-zus" but rather "Ark-en-saw"? > Yowie Because Arkansawyers don't know how to speak decently... SignatureMoses.DukeOfUrl@gmail.com Cliologist, Philanthropologist, Prothonotary Wibbler, Paleoconservative, Surface Warrior Squid >Why is the state of Kansas pronounced "kan-zus" but the state of Arkansas is >not pronounced "ar-kan-zus" but rather "Ark-en-saw"? Because. See http://www.immortalia.com/html/recitations/long-recitations/change-the-name-of-a rkansas/change-the-name-of-arkansas-1.htm Warning: It is certificate X for language. |
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