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Yowie - 02 May 2005 08:57 GMT
WoooHoooo!

Whilst being as divorce inspiring as Ikea furniture, the broadband is
finally up and running!

Wooohooooooooooooooo!

Yowie, joining the 21st century
Tish Silberbauer - 02 May 2005 10:32 GMT
oooh ... jealous
If that were real time it would read "jjjeeeeaaaallllooooouuuussss"
because my dial-up is so-flaming-slow compared to the wonders of
broadband!

I doubt we'll be getting broadband here anytime soon and can't really
justify the costs of a satellite link-up, but regardless of that, I'm
really, really happy for you.

Can Dave and I pop down occasionally and download really big things
just for fun??

Tish

>WoooHoooo!
>
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>
>Yowie, joining the 21st century
Yowie - 03 May 2005 01:45 GMT
> oooh ... jealous
> If that were real time it would read "jjjeeeeaaaallllooooouuuussss"
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> Can Dave and I pop down occasionally and download really big things
> just for fun??

You know you'd be welcome, whether you download big stuff for fun or even
for something as technically archaic as just enjoying a cuppa and a chat....

As long as you know that we don't call The Yowlet "the Chaos Mage" for
nothing :-). Do you like the sensation of lego under your bare feet by any
chance? If so, my place would be your idea of heaven :-)

Actually, have you checked to see if broadband is available where you are?
My sister's phone number has the first 4 digits the same as yours and hers
is broadband enabled. The installation is not actually all that hard as long
as only one person is doing it and everyone else lets them be till its done
:)

Yowie
Tish Silberbauer - 03 May 2005 21:18 GMT
You're a sweetie.  Thank you.

I have inquired about ADSL here and our exchange is too old to handle
it and is not scheduled to be replaced anytime soon.  It will come to
planet Wedderburn eventually, but I wouldn't want to be holding my
breath  :^)

BTW, and this will make no sense to the rest of the group, the lift is
now working perfectly.

Tish

>>>"Tish Silberbauer" <tsilberb@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:bqsb719u1dea85hc6crjokc5q82ue4vpil@4ax.com...
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>
>Yowie
hobbs - 07 May 2005 13:43 GMT
> > oooh ... jealous
> > If that were real time it would read "jjjeeeeaaaallllooooouuuussss"
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>
> Yowie
Yowie - 14 May 2005 00:12 GMT
> Yowie what is ' the Chaos Mage'?    Jean.

Hi Jean, just saw this one (sorry I was late).

Both Joel & I are role-players, which probably doens't mean alot to you..
Role Playing is like a game of "pretend", and playing things like "cops and
robbers" or "doctors and nurses" or "mummies and daddies", which kids games,
are also very simple role-playing games where they pretend to be different
peole in a different 'setting' or 'world'. One kid plays a doctor, another
kid plays a nurse,a third might be a patient etc etc, and the imaginary
world is a hospital.

The grown-up version is a bit more complicated, but the principle is the
same. A bunch of us get together to play "pretend", although our pretend
worlds are not usually hospitals but often something similar to the world of
Tolkien, and our characters that we play aren't doctors or nures, but
dwarves or elves. And we have to go on an "adventure" together. Part of the
fun is that magic is an accepted part of these imaginary worlds, and some of
the characters in these games are very good at casting spells. One name for
the type of character that is very good at casting spells is "Mage".

A very popular type of Mage is a *Chaos Mage*, a very powerful spellcaster
that answers only to him (or her) self. Its a well known type of character
in role-playing circles. WE took Cary to a roleplaying convention when he
was about 6 months old, knowling full well that we wouldn't be able to play
any of the games there, but we went to see old friends and check out the
stores they have at these conventions. Someone asked us what game we were
going to play, and when we explained we couldn't really play because Cary
was with us, the person said "Oh don't worry, he'd make a great Chaos Mage"
and it stuck.

Especially since, wherever he goes, he brings chaos with him, just like
magic......

Yowie
Duke of URL - 15 May 2005 12:34 GMT
>> Yowie what is ' the Chaos Mage'?    Jean.
>
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>
> Yowie

And since he has a Charisma of 18...
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hobbs - 15 May 2005 13:09 GMT
Thanks very much for the reply, I didn't see Vicky's
I've heard of these play acting 'watchamacallits'
never knew anyone that did it though.   Jean.

> >> Yowie what is ' the Chaos Mage'?    Jean.
> >
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> Cliologist, Philanthropologist, Prothonotary Wibbler,
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Duke of URL - 17 May 2005 21:07 GMT
> Thanks very much for the reply, I didn't see Vicky's
> I've heard of these play acting 'watchamacallits'
> never knew anyone that did it though.   Jean.

Heck, I was one of the first RPGers. I played the original D&D with Gygax
DMing.
Played for years; DMed for years; even ran a training course for new DMs
when in San Diego.

>>>> Yowie what is ' the Chaos Mage'?    Jean.
>>>
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>> Cliologist, Philanthropologist, Prothonotary Wibbler,
>> Paleoconservative, Surface Warrior Squid

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Yowie - 18 May 2005 05:03 GMT
> > Thanks very much for the reply, I didn't see Vicky's
> > I've heard of these play acting 'watchamacallits'
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> Played for years; DMed for years; even ran a training course for new DMs
> when in San Diego.

We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

Been RPG'ing since '85. Started out on AD&D (as most people did) but now
prefer systemless games. Although I'm not playing anything right now due to
a certain young Chaos Mage in my life, Joel occasionally gets to play. I
think his favourites system is Rolemaster.

We try to get to Necronomicon, the role playing convention in Newtown,
Sydney, which is held annually (at Easter these days, but it was in October
for the first 10 years or so). We went this year just to say hello, Joel
picked up a game, but since Cary is still far to young to play, I just took
him out for a walk around Newtown (a very 'arty' suburb) instead.

Yowie
badwilson - 18 May 2005 06:26 GMT
>>> Thanks very much for the reply, I didn't see Vicky's
>>> I've heard of these play acting 'watchamacallits'
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> October for the first 10 years or so). We went this year just to say
> hello, Joel picked up a game, but since Cary is still far to young
to
> play, I just took him out for a walk around Newtown (a very 'arty'
> suburb) instead.
>
> Yowie

I don't role play, but I love Newtown!  It's the first place Dennis
and I went and stayed at when we first went to Australia in Feb. 1996
to get married.  It was so weird because it took us over a day to see
any "real" Australians!  LOL!
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Duke of URL - 18 May 2005 07:18 GMT
>>> Thanks very much for the reply, I didn't see Vicky's
>>> I've heard of these play acting 'watchamacallits'
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>
> We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

Ah, now THAT is the sort of respect I expected from my vic^H^H players. You
may have one extra pip on one saving throw of your choice. (Hey, a god who
doesn't pay off his worshippers loses ground.)

> Been RPG'ing since '85. Started out on AD&D (as most people did) but
> now prefer systemless games. Although I'm not playing anything right
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>
> Yowie

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Yowie - 16 May 2005 13:02 GMT
>>> Yowie what is ' the Chaos Mage'?    Jean.
>>
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>
> And since he has a Charisma of 18...

His stats would be at least

STR 5 (compared to an adult, but probably 18 compared to another his age)
DEX 2 (compareed to an adult, probably about 11, average for his age)
CON 17
INT 16 (at least - he's worked out how to open the baby gates already)
WIS 1 (compared to an adult, but again, probably about average compared to
his age) and
CHA 18/00

And while his wisdom would suggest he couldn't do any magic, he has at least
3 spells with almost unlimited spell points: charm, transmogrify and chaos.
He can charm the pants off most people (especially older women), can
transmogrify a neat and clean room into total chaos in mere moments, and
chaos quickly follows wherever he goes. He also has a black, female cat as a
familiar.

Yup, he's got me under his spell!

Yowie
Victor Martinez - 02 May 2005 13:46 GMT
> Yowie, joining the 21st century

Welcome, to the real world. :)

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CatNipped - 02 May 2005 13:57 GMT
> WoooHoooo!
>
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>
> Yowie, joining the 21st century

You're going to wonder how you ever lived without it!  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped
jmcquown - 02 May 2005 14:07 GMT
>> WoooHoooo!
>>
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>
> CatNipped

I have DSL via my local phone company; I can't imagine going back to
dial-up.

Jill
Mary - 02 May 2005 15:21 GMT
> >> WoooHoooo!
> >>
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> I have DSL via my local phone company; I can't imagine going back to
> dial-up.

I tend to forget that everyone doesn't have broadband
and send people big images and other files. I have to remind myself.
Mary - 02 May 2005 15:16 GMT
> > WoooHoooo!
> >
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>
> You're going to wonder how you ever lived without it!  ;>

That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than
my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible.
Images are instantaneous--I don't even know what it
is like to wait for a download any more.
Victor Martinez - 02 May 2005 15:28 GMT
> That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than
> my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible.

You can check your actual speed on various sites, I like this one:
http://bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/

Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :)

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Karen AKA Kajikit - 02 May 2005 18:51 GMT
>> That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than
>> my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible.
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>
>Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :)

Hmmm... interesting. The first time I tried it timed out before I
accessed the site (not a good sign lol!) The second time it connected
and apparantly I'm running at 2 megabits per second, which is a hair
below average for cable in Florida. Darn I clicked on the 'explain
results' and it won't go back to the previous screen. Anyway, not too
shabby :)

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Mary - 02 May 2005 22:08 GMT
> > That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than
> > my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible.
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>
> Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :)

For some reason mine came back
3303.6 kbps. Does that mean 3.3 mbps??
(Stupid question, maybe, but necessary. Adding
2+2 is difficult for math idiots. Metric stuff
freezes me up completely!)
Victor Martinez - 03 May 2005 04:04 GMT
> For some reason mine came back
> 3303.6 kbps. Does that mean 3.3 mbps??

Yup.

> (Stupid question, maybe, but necessary. Adding
> 2+2 is difficult for math idiots. Metric stuff
> freezes me up completely!)

Metric is so easy, I don't understand why this country is still in the
middle ages in that respect.
1,000 = 1 kilo
1,000 kilo = 1 mega
1,000 mega = 1 giga

and so on... :)

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Mary - 03 May 2005 04:09 GMT
> > For some reason mine came back
> > 3303.6 kbps. Does that mean 3.3 mbps??
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>
> and so on... :)

Thank you Victor. At least I am getting better.
It is perfectly logical, just the resistance of habit,
I think. Damned Brits! (kidding .....)
Yowie - 03 May 2005 01:53 GMT
> > That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than
> > my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible.
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>
> Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :)

Home was about 3.4 mbps, which was rated as "not bad" for Australia, and
work was a measly 197.1 kbps, rated as "mediocre". Work is a T1 connection,
I'd assume, but during business hours theres often a huge load on it, so it
can get horrendously slow sometimes. Weekends and after hours, though, its
like greased lightening!

Actually, I was happy enough with dial-up, I don't do much on the internet
except except mail and newsgroups, which are almost exclusively text based
and so dial-up wasn't an issue most of the time. My surfing is very limited,
and usually its the same old sites anyway, so I have the cache of images
already on my HD, and didn't take *that* long to load. It frustrated the
life out of Joel, though, because it meant he couldn't on-line game or
download movies, songs etc etc. I just hope I don't become an Xbox *and* PC
widow because of this!

Yowie
Bill Stock - 03 May 2005 03:09 GMT
>> That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than
>> my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible.
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>
> Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :)

4.9 mbps. Woohoo!
Marina - 04 May 2005 14:40 GMT
> You can check your actual speed on various sites, I like this one:
> http://bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/
>
> Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :)

Cool! I get 824 kbps.

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Seanette Blaylock - 05 May 2005 03:27 GMT
Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to
say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:

>> You can check your actual speed on various sites, I like this one:
>> http://bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/
>> Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :)
>Cool! I get 824 kbps.

Bleah. I'm on dialup and got a measly 45.5 kbps.

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Yowie - 18 May 2005 05:11 GMT
> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to
> say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:
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>
> Bleah. I'm on dialup and got a measly 45.5 kbps.

Two months ago, I would have thought 45.5kbs was *fast*!

Yowie
Dan and Nancy Mahoney - 18 May 2005 05:30 GMT
> Two months ago, I would have thought 45.5kbs was *fast*!
>
> Yowie

When I'm at home I absolutely love this wonderful DSL connection. But
when I was out on the road I was connecting via GPRS (through my cell
phone), and the standard connect rate is about 50Kbps. It's amazing how
quickly I adjusted to that pitifully slow connect rate.
badwilson - 18 May 2005 06:24 GMT
>> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things
>> to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:
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>
> Yowie

It's faster than anything I've had in the past 4 years.
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Duke of URL - 18 May 2005 07:20 GMT
>> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things
>> to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:
>>
>>>> You can check your actual speed on various sites, I like this one:
>>>> http://bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/
>>>> Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :)

>>> Cool! I get 824 kbps.
>>
>> Bleah. I'm on dialup and got a measly 45.5 kbps.
>
> Two months ago, I would have thought 45.5kbs was *fast*!

I'd've loved to watch you waiting for downloads in the 300-Baud BBS days ...
When 900B became possible, we went nuts!

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Seanette Blaylock - 19 May 2005 03:03 GMT
"Duke of URL" <MacBenah@kdsi.net> had some very interesting things to
say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:

>I'd've loved to watch you waiting for downloads in the 300-Baud BBS days ...
>When 900B became possible, we went nuts!

Files were also a lot smaller then, Gramps. ;-)

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Steve Touchstone - 20 May 2005 19:27 GMT
>"Duke of URL" <MacBenah@kdsi.net> had some very interesting things to
>say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:
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>
>Files were also a lot smaller then, Gramps. ;-)

I was kind of late getting on line. My first modem was 1200 baud,
which was replaced not long after with 2400

Ah, the good ole days. Eagerly waiting for the monthly Commodore
Gazzette to arrive. Spend all night typing in the programs and saving
it to cassette. Spend the next several days trying to find which
semicolon was supposed to be a colon. Give up, and wait til the next
users group meeting to get a copy which acutally worked. Then we got
checksums, floppy disks, etc. Heck, for the longest time I couldn't
see any reason to upgrade from my 64 to the Commodore 128. Then came
my first IBM clone - with two 5 1/4 drive. Oh what a marvel a 20 meg
hard drive was, but I'll never fill this thing up? Who could even
imagine needing more than 640k of RAM.
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Yowie - 21 May 2005 02:21 GMT
>>> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things
>>> to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:
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> I'd've loved to watch you waiting for downloads in the 300-Baud BBS days
> ... When 900B became possible, we went nuts!

Um, I have waited for downloads at 300kbs. Thats when you went to bed, and
hoped you didn't lose the connection during the night!

Yowie
Adrian - 21 May 2005 17:36 GMT
>>>> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things
>>>> to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:
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>
> Yowie

Was that a hard wired modem, or an acoustic one where you had to put the
receiver in the rubber cups?
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Yowie - 22 May 2005 01:24 GMT
>>>>> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things
>>>>> to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:
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> Was that a hard wired modem, or an acoustic one where you had to put the
> receiver in the rubber cups?

I *think* it was an acoustic one, but my memory is rather fuzzy on that one.
Dunno whether I'm remembering my modem, or the ones in movies now.  I do
know that 1200 baud was liked greased lightening!

Yowie
Adrian - 18 May 2005 21:28 GMT
>> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things
>> to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Yowie

That's better than I'm getting at the moment. Only a couple of weeks now
'till I get broadband. :-)
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hobbs - 07 May 2005 13:46 GMT
Gee, now I'm getting Jealous 'shadduppa your faces'
just taking the mickey.   Jean.P.
> > That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than
> > my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible.
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> Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov
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Marina - 02 May 2005 15:30 GMT
> WoooHoooo!
>
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>
> Yowie, joining the 21st century

Yay! Isn't it wonderful?

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Charleen Welton - 02 May 2005 16:46 GMT
> > WoooHoooo!
> >
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> >
> > Yowie, joining the 21st century

Congratulations, the only down side is that you'll be on the 'puter hours
more a day and night, week-ends, holidays.  You'll love it!!
Charleen
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Aggie Marble,
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Jo Firey - 02 May 2005 21:13 GMT
I got a feeling hours more on the computer is not an option for Yowie.  Just
going to be enjoying those hours more.

Jo

>> > WoooHoooo!
>> >
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> Aggie Marble,
> Victor Velcro
Irulan - 02 May 2005 17:34 GMT
cgts! As they say, once you've tried it you'll never go back <g>
Jazz & his mama who's finally getting a digital camera so she can post some
of her handsome boy's pictures on the web

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> WoooHoooo!
>
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>
> Yowie, joining the 21st century
Bev - 02 May 2005 20:23 GMT
> cgts! As they say, once you've tried it you'll never go back <g>
> Jazz & his mama who's finally getting a digital camera so she can post some
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> >
> > Yowie, joining the 21st century

I'm a deep green all over.  Hmmmmm birthday coming up, perhaps it's time
to do some hinting.

Bev
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Adrian - 02 May 2005 18:28 GMT
> WoooHoooo!
>
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>
> Yowie, joining the 21st century

Congratulations! I have a few more weeks to wait before it's available
here.
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Seanette Blaylock - 04 May 2005 06:03 GMT
"Adrian" <anca@bigfoot.com> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: [OT] Broadband!:

>> WoooHoooo!
>> Whilst being as divorce inspiring as Ikea furniture, the broadband is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Congratulations! I have a few more weeks to wait before it's available
>here.

Once we're more steadily employed, we're seriously considering it. Of
course, DH and I just now (this week) broke down and got cell phones
(pre-paid type).

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Jeanette - 02 May 2005 20:45 GMT
> WoooHoooo!
>
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>
> Yowie, joining the 21st century

:) Hey, that's great. You'll never leave your seat.

Jeanette (aka numb bum)
Christine Burel - 02 May 2005 23:49 GMT
Yay! Congrats!
It is sooo easy to get spoiled by this, too, once you have it.
Christine
> WoooHoooo!
>
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>
> Yowie, joining the 21st century
Sam Nash - 03 May 2005 03:22 GMT
> WoooHoooo!
>
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>
> Yowie, joining the 21st century
Congratulations, Yowie!  Ain't it grand?  DSL or cable?  Enquiring network
geek needs to know!
Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
Yowie - 03 May 2005 04:27 GMT
> > WoooHoooo!
> >
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> Congratulations, Yowie!  Ain't it grand?  DSL or cable?  Enquiring network
> geek needs to know!

DSL. Although known as "ADSL" here in Oz. Only ADSL or Sattelite were
available in my area, and we didn't go Sattelite because the installation
fees are enormous, and although the downlink rips, the uplink is as fast as
your dial up modem can go, and since we got the Broadband mainly to play
on-line games (like Everquest etc) a slow uplink is pointless.

Also, with ADSL, we don't have to pay any extra connection cost, but with
Sattelite, every time we dial in, we'd still have to pay the price of a
local call. ADSL was by far the better option, and besides, the modem and
setup was free.

Yowie
Adrian - 03 May 2005 18:32 GMT
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Now what you need is a router, then Joel can connect his X-Box and PS2.
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Sam Nash - 04 May 2005 03:27 GMT
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ADSL - "consumer-grade" DSL.  Works great!  It's what I have.  Enjoy!
Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
John F. Eldredge - 04 May 2005 04:50 GMT
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>ADSL - "consumer-grade" DSL.  Works great!  It's what I have.  Enjoy!
>Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe

As I recall, the acronym stands for Asymmetric Digital Subscriber
Line.  Asymmetric means that the speed with which you can send out
information is less than the speed at which you can receive
information.  Businesses usually use the more expensive symmetric
connections, meaning that you can send information fast as well as
receive it fast.

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Howard Berkowitz - 04 May 2005 22:44 GMT
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> connections, meaning that you can send information fast as well as
> receive it fast.

There are several kinds of DSL, including some types not particularly
relevant here such as V(H)DSL, HDSL, and IDSL. ADSL is indeed
asymmetric. It isn't inherently consumer, but tends to be used that way
for two reasons:

   1. It can share the same copper pair used for your conventional
      telephone, without interfering with telephone service
   2. Most consumers have much more information coming back to their
      computers (e.g., image in response to a URL) than in the other
      direction. The total bandwidth on the link is thus split
      asymmetrically, with more bandwidth in the download direction

If you are using IP telephony or videoconferencing, however, the
application inherently needs the same amount of bandwidth in both
directions -- hence symmetrical DSL.

It can be tricky to compare the speeds of DSL and cable. In a cable
system, you are competing for bandwidth on the local, shared cable.  DSL
gives you your own pipe to the telephone central office, but then you
compete for bandwidth (in a technically different way than cable) on the
uplink from the central office to the ISP. That uplink, just like the
one from the head end of a cable system to the ISP (or multiple ISPs),
has nowhere near enough bandwidth to carry the traffic from all users
simultaneously.

The reality is that all users don't transmit or receive simultaneously,
so what is called "oversubscription" actually is practical engineering.  
In consumer applications, there might be 100 to 1 oversubscription, but
10 to 1 or less in business applications.

DSL is really an interim technology pending either fiber to the home, or
possibly some high-speed wireless methods.
Duke of URL - 04 May 2005 01:48 GMT
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Mazeltov!
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