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[OT] Broadband!
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Yowie - 02 May 2005 08:57 GMT WoooHoooo!
Whilst being as divorce inspiring as Ikea furniture, the broadband is finally up and running!
Wooohooooooooooooooo!
Yowie, joining the 21st century
Tish Silberbauer - 02 May 2005 10:32 GMT oooh ... jealous If that were real time it would read "jjjeeeeaaaallllooooouuuussss" because my dial-up is so-flaming-slow compared to the wonders of broadband!
I doubt we'll be getting broadband here anytime soon and can't really justify the costs of a satellite link-up, but regardless of that, I'm really, really happy for you.
Can Dave and I pop down occasionally and download really big things just for fun??
Tish
>WoooHoooo! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Yowie, joining the 21st century Yowie - 03 May 2005 01:45 GMT > oooh ... jealous > If that were real time it would read "jjjeeeeaaaallllooooouuuussss" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Can Dave and I pop down occasionally and download really big things > just for fun?? You know you'd be welcome, whether you download big stuff for fun or even for something as technically archaic as just enjoying a cuppa and a chat....
As long as you know that we don't call The Yowlet "the Chaos Mage" for nothing :-). Do you like the sensation of lego under your bare feet by any chance? If so, my place would be your idea of heaven :-)
Actually, have you checked to see if broadband is available where you are? My sister's phone number has the first 4 digits the same as yours and hers is broadband enabled. The installation is not actually all that hard as long as only one person is doing it and everyone else lets them be till its done
:) Yowie
Tish Silberbauer - 03 May 2005 21:18 GMT You're a sweetie. Thank you.
I have inquired about ADSL here and our exchange is too old to handle it and is not scheduled to be replaced anytime soon. It will come to planet Wedderburn eventually, but I wouldn't want to be holding my breath :^)
BTW, and this will make no sense to the rest of the group, the lift is now working perfectly.
Tish
>>>"Tish Silberbauer" <tsilberb@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >news:bqsb719u1dea85hc6crjokc5q82ue4vpil@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Yowie hobbs - 07 May 2005 13:43 GMT > > oooh ... jealous > > If that were real time it would read "jjjeeeeaaaallllooooouuuussss" [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Yowie Yowie - 14 May 2005 00:12 GMT > Yowie what is ' the Chaos Mage'? Jean. Hi Jean, just saw this one (sorry I was late).
Both Joel & I are role-players, which probably doens't mean alot to you.. Role Playing is like a game of "pretend", and playing things like "cops and robbers" or "doctors and nurses" or "mummies and daddies", which kids games, are also very simple role-playing games where they pretend to be different peole in a different 'setting' or 'world'. One kid plays a doctor, another kid plays a nurse,a third might be a patient etc etc, and the imaginary world is a hospital.
The grown-up version is a bit more complicated, but the principle is the same. A bunch of us get together to play "pretend", although our pretend worlds are not usually hospitals but often something similar to the world of Tolkien, and our characters that we play aren't doctors or nures, but dwarves or elves. And we have to go on an "adventure" together. Part of the fun is that magic is an accepted part of these imaginary worlds, and some of the characters in these games are very good at casting spells. One name for the type of character that is very good at casting spells is "Mage".
A very popular type of Mage is a *Chaos Mage*, a very powerful spellcaster that answers only to him (or her) self. Its a well known type of character in role-playing circles. WE took Cary to a roleplaying convention when he was about 6 months old, knowling full well that we wouldn't be able to play any of the games there, but we went to see old friends and check out the stores they have at these conventions. Someone asked us what game we were going to play, and when we explained we couldn't really play because Cary was with us, the person said "Oh don't worry, he'd make a great Chaos Mage" and it stuck.
Especially since, wherever he goes, he brings chaos with him, just like magic......
Yowie
Duke of URL - 15 May 2005 12:34 GMT >> Yowie what is ' the Chaos Mage'? Jean. > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Yowie And since he has a Charisma of 18...
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hobbs - 15 May 2005 13:09 GMT Thanks very much for the reply, I didn't see Vicky's I've heard of these play acting 'watchamacallits' never knew anyone that did it though. Jean.
> >> Yowie what is ' the Chaos Mage'? Jean. > > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Cliologist, Philanthropologist, Prothonotary Wibbler, > Paleoconservative, Surface Warrior Squid Duke of URL - 17 May 2005 21:07 GMT > Thanks very much for the reply, I didn't see Vicky's > I've heard of these play acting 'watchamacallits' > never knew anyone that did it though. Jean. Heck, I was one of the first RPGers. I played the original D&D with Gygax DMing. Played for years; DMed for years; even ran a training course for new DMs when in San Diego.
>>>> Yowie what is ' the Chaos Mage'? Jean. >>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> Cliologist, Philanthropologist, Prothonotary Wibbler, >> Paleoconservative, Surface Warrior Squid
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Yowie - 18 May 2005 05:03 GMT > > Thanks very much for the reply, I didn't see Vicky's > > I've heard of these play acting 'watchamacallits' [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Played for years; DMed for years; even ran a training course for new DMs > when in San Diego. We're not worthy! We're not worthy!
Been RPG'ing since '85. Started out on AD&D (as most people did) but now prefer systemless games. Although I'm not playing anything right now due to a certain young Chaos Mage in my life, Joel occasionally gets to play. I think his favourites system is Rolemaster.
We try to get to Necronomicon, the role playing convention in Newtown, Sydney, which is held annually (at Easter these days, but it was in October for the first 10 years or so). We went this year just to say hello, Joel picked up a game, but since Cary is still far to young to play, I just took him out for a walk around Newtown (a very 'arty' suburb) instead.
Yowie
badwilson - 18 May 2005 06:26 GMT >>> Thanks very much for the reply, I didn't see Vicky's >>> I've heard of these play acting 'watchamacallits' [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > October for the first 10 years or so). We went this year just to say > hello, Joel picked up a game, but since Cary is still far to young to
> play, I just took him out for a walk around Newtown (a very 'arty' > suburb) instead. > > Yowie I don't role play, but I love Newtown! It's the first place Dennis and I went and stayed at when we first went to Australia in Feb. 1996 to get married. It was so weird because it took us over a day to see any "real" Australians! LOL! -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Duke of URL - 18 May 2005 07:18 GMT >>> Thanks very much for the reply, I didn't see Vicky's >>> I've heard of these play acting 'watchamacallits' [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > We're not worthy! We're not worthy! Ah, now THAT is the sort of respect I expected from my vic^H^H players. You may have one extra pip on one saving throw of your choice. (Hey, a god who doesn't pay off his worshippers loses ground.)
> Been RPG'ing since '85. Started out on AD&D (as most people did) but > now prefer systemless games. Although I'm not playing anything right [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Yowie
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Yowie - 16 May 2005 13:02 GMT >>> Yowie what is ' the Chaos Mage'? Jean. >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > And since he has a Charisma of 18... His stats would be at least
STR 5 (compared to an adult, but probably 18 compared to another his age) DEX 2 (compareed to an adult, probably about 11, average for his age) CON 17 INT 16 (at least - he's worked out how to open the baby gates already) WIS 1 (compared to an adult, but again, probably about average compared to his age) and CHA 18/00
And while his wisdom would suggest he couldn't do any magic, he has at least 3 spells with almost unlimited spell points: charm, transmogrify and chaos. He can charm the pants off most people (especially older women), can transmogrify a neat and clean room into total chaos in mere moments, and chaos quickly follows wherever he goes. He also has a black, female cat as a familiar.
Yup, he's got me under his spell!
Yowie
Victor Martinez - 02 May 2005 13:46 GMT > Yowie, joining the 21st century Welcome, to the real world. :)
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CatNipped - 02 May 2005 13:57 GMT > WoooHoooo! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yowie, joining the 21st century You're going to wonder how you ever lived without it! ;>
Hugs,
CatNipped
jmcquown - 02 May 2005 14:07 GMT >> WoooHoooo! >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > CatNipped I have DSL via my local phone company; I can't imagine going back to dial-up.
Jill
Mary - 02 May 2005 15:21 GMT > >> WoooHoooo! > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I have DSL via my local phone company; I can't imagine going back to > dial-up. I tend to forget that everyone doesn't have broadband and send people big images and other files. I have to remind myself.
Mary - 02 May 2005 15:16 GMT > > WoooHoooo! > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You're going to wonder how you ever lived without it! ;> That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible. Images are instantaneous--I don't even know what it is like to wait for a download any more.
Victor Martinez - 02 May 2005 15:28 GMT > That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than > my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible. You can check your actual speed on various sites, I like this one: http://bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/
Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :)
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Karen AKA Kajikit - 02 May 2005 18:51 GMT >> That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than >> my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :) Hmmm... interesting. The first time I tried it timed out before I accessed the site (not a good sign lol!) The second time it connected and apparantly I'm running at 2 megabits per second, which is a hair below average for cable in Florida. Darn I clicked on the 'explain results' and it won't go back to the previous screen. Anyway, not too shabby :)
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Mary - 02 May 2005 22:08 GMT > > That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than > > my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :) For some reason mine came back 3303.6 kbps. Does that mean 3.3 mbps?? (Stupid question, maybe, but necessary. Adding 2+2 is difficult for math idiots. Metric stuff freezes me up completely!)
Victor Martinez - 03 May 2005 04:04 GMT > For some reason mine came back > 3303.6 kbps. Does that mean 3.3 mbps?? Yup.
> (Stupid question, maybe, but necessary. Adding > 2+2 is difficult for math idiots. Metric stuff > freezes me up completely!) Metric is so easy, I don't understand why this country is still in the middle ages in that respect. 1,000 = 1 kilo 1,000 kilo = 1 mega 1,000 mega = 1 giga
and so on... :)
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Mary - 03 May 2005 04:09 GMT > > For some reason mine came back > > 3303.6 kbps. Does that mean 3.3 mbps?? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > and so on... :) Thank you Victor. At least I am getting better. It is perfectly logical, just the resistance of habit, I think. Damned Brits! (kidding .....)
Yowie - 03 May 2005 01:53 GMT > > That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than > > my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :) Home was about 3.4 mbps, which was rated as "not bad" for Australia, and work was a measly 197.1 kbps, rated as "mediocre". Work is a T1 connection, I'd assume, but during business hours theres often a huge load on it, so it can get horrendously slow sometimes. Weekends and after hours, though, its like greased lightening!
Actually, I was happy enough with dial-up, I don't do much on the internet except except mail and newsgroups, which are almost exclusively text based and so dial-up wasn't an issue most of the time. My surfing is very limited, and usually its the same old sites anyway, so I have the cache of images already on my HD, and didn't take *that* long to load. It frustrated the life out of Joel, though, because it meant he couldn't on-line game or download movies, songs etc etc. I just hope I don't become an Xbox *and* PC widow because of this!
Yowie
Bill Stock - 03 May 2005 03:09 GMT >> That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than >> my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :) 4.9 mbps. Woohoo!
Marina - 04 May 2005 14:40 GMT > You can check your actual speed on various sites, I like this one: > http://bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/ > > Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :) Cool! I get 824 kbps.
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Seanette Blaylock - 05 May 2005 03:27 GMT Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:
>> You can check your actual speed on various sites, I like this one: >> http://bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/ >> Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :) >Cool! I get 824 kbps. Bleah. I'm on dialup and got a measly 45.5 kbps.
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Yowie - 18 May 2005 05:11 GMT > Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to > say about Re: [OT] Broadband!: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bleah. I'm on dialup and got a measly 45.5 kbps. Two months ago, I would have thought 45.5kbs was *fast*!
Yowie
Dan and Nancy Mahoney - 18 May 2005 05:30 GMT > Two months ago, I would have thought 45.5kbs was *fast*! > > Yowie When I'm at home I absolutely love this wonderful DSL connection. But when I was out on the road I was connecting via GPRS (through my cell phone), and the standard connect rate is about 50Kbps. It's amazing how quickly I adjusted to that pitifully slow connect rate.
badwilson - 18 May 2005 06:24 GMT >> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things >> to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Yowie It's faster than anything I've had in the past 4 years. -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Duke of URL - 18 May 2005 07:20 GMT >> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things >> to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!: >> >>>> You can check your actual speed on various sites, I like this one: >>>> http://bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/ >>>> Victor, posting at 4.1 mbps... :)
>>> Cool! I get 824 kbps. >> >> Bleah. I'm on dialup and got a measly 45.5 kbps. > > Two months ago, I would have thought 45.5kbs was *fast*! I'd've loved to watch you waiting for downloads in the 300-Baud BBS days ... When 900B became possible, we went nuts!
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Seanette Blaylock - 19 May 2005 03:03 GMT "Duke of URL" <MacBenah@kdsi.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:
>I'd've loved to watch you waiting for downloads in the 300-Baud BBS days ... >When 900B became possible, we went nuts! Files were also a lot smaller then, Gramps. ;-)
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Steve Touchstone - 20 May 2005 19:27 GMT >"Duke of URL" <MacBenah@kdsi.net> had some very interesting things to >say about Re: [OT] Broadband!: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Files were also a lot smaller then, Gramps. ;-) I was kind of late getting on line. My first modem was 1200 baud, which was replaced not long after with 2400
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Yowie - 21 May 2005 02:21 GMT >>> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things >>> to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I'd've loved to watch you waiting for downloads in the 300-Baud BBS days > ... When 900B became possible, we went nuts! Um, I have waited for downloads at 300kbs. Thats when you went to bed, and hoped you didn't lose the connection during the night!
Yowie
Adrian - 21 May 2005 17:36 GMT >>>> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things >>>> to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Yowie Was that a hard wired modem, or an acoustic one where you had to put the receiver in the rubber cups?
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Yowie - 22 May 2005 01:24 GMT >>>>> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things >>>>> to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Was that a hard wired modem, or an acoustic one where you had to put the > receiver in the rubber cups? I *think* it was an acoustic one, but my memory is rather fuzzy on that one. Dunno whether I'm remembering my modem, or the ones in movies now. I do know that 1200 baud was liked greased lightening!
Yowie
Adrian - 18 May 2005 21:28 GMT >> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things >> to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Yowie That's better than I'm getting at the moment. Only a couple of weeks now 'till I get broadband. :-)
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hobbs - 07 May 2005 13:46 GMT Gee, now I'm getting Jealous 'shadduppa your faces' just taking the mickey. Jean.P.
> > That's really true. DSL seems to be faster even than > > my old cable ISP, which I did not think was possible. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov > Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com Marina - 02 May 2005 15:30 GMT > WoooHoooo! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yowie, joining the 21st century Yay! Isn't it wonderful?
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Charleen Welton - 02 May 2005 16:46 GMT > > WoooHoooo! > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Yowie, joining the 21st century Congratulations, the only down side is that you'll be on the 'puter hours more a day and night, week-ends, holidays. You'll love it!! Charleen Mr. Pumpkin, Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
Jo Firey - 02 May 2005 21:13 GMT I got a feeling hours more on the computer is not an option for Yowie. Just going to be enjoying those hours more.
Jo
>> > WoooHoooo! >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Aggie Marble, > Victor Velcro Irulan - 02 May 2005 17:34 GMT cgts! As they say, once you've tried it you'll never go back <g> Jazz & his mama who's finally getting a digital camera so she can post some of her handsome boy's pictures on the web
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> WoooHoooo! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yowie, joining the 21st century Bev - 02 May 2005 20:23 GMT > cgts! As they say, once you've tried it you'll never go back <g> > Jazz & his mama who's finally getting a digital camera so she can post some [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > Yowie, joining the 21st century I'm a deep green all over. Hmmmmm birthday coming up, perhaps it's time to do some hinting.
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Adrian - 02 May 2005 18:28 GMT > WoooHoooo! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yowie, joining the 21st century Congratulations! I have a few more weeks to wait before it's available here.
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Seanette Blaylock - 04 May 2005 06:03 GMT "Adrian" <anca@bigfoot.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Broadband!:
>> WoooHoooo! >> Whilst being as divorce inspiring as Ikea furniture, the broadband is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Congratulations! I have a few more weeks to wait before it's available >here. Once we're more steadily employed, we're seriously considering it. Of course, DH and I just now (this week) broke down and got cell phones (pre-paid type).
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:) Hey, that's great. You'll never leave your seat. Jeanette (aka numb bum)
Christine Burel - 02 May 2005 23:49 GMT Yay! Congrats! It is sooo easy to get spoiled by this, too, once you have it. Christine
> WoooHoooo! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yowie, joining the 21st century Sam Nash - 03 May 2005 03:22 GMT > WoooHoooo! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yowie, joining the 21st century Congratulations, Yowie! Ain't it grand? DSL or cable? Enquiring network geek needs to know! Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
Yowie - 03 May 2005 04:27 GMT > > WoooHoooo! > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Congratulations, Yowie! Ain't it grand? DSL or cable? Enquiring network > geek needs to know! DSL. Although known as "ADSL" here in Oz. Only ADSL or Sattelite were available in my area, and we didn't go Sattelite because the installation fees are enormous, and although the downlink rips, the uplink is as fast as your dial up modem can go, and since we got the Broadband mainly to play on-line games (like Everquest etc) a slow uplink is pointless.
Also, with ADSL, we don't have to pay any extra connection cost, but with Sattelite, every time we dial in, we'd still have to pay the price of a local call. ADSL was by far the better option, and besides, the modem and setup was free.
Yowie
Adrian - 03 May 2005 18:32 GMT >>> WoooHoooo! >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Yowie Now what you need is a router, then Joel can connect his X-Box and PS2. ;-)
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Sam Nash - 04 May 2005 03:27 GMT >> > WoooHoooo! >> > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Yowie ADSL - "consumer-grade" DSL. Works great! It's what I have. Enjoy! Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
John F. Eldredge - 04 May 2005 04:50 GMT >>> > WoooHoooo! >>> > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >ADSL - "consumer-grade" DSL. Works great! It's what I have. Enjoy! >Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe As I recall, the acronym stands for Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line. Asymmetric means that the speed with which you can send out information is less than the speed at which you can receive information. Businesses usually use the more expensive symmetric connections, meaning that you can send information fast as well as receive it fast.
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Howard Berkowitz - 04 May 2005 22:44 GMT > >>> > WoooHoooo! > >>> > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > connections, meaning that you can send information fast as well as > receive it fast. There are several kinds of DSL, including some types not particularly relevant here such as V(H)DSL, HDSL, and IDSL. ADSL is indeed asymmetric. It isn't inherently consumer, but tends to be used that way for two reasons:
1. It can share the same copper pair used for your conventional telephone, without interfering with telephone service 2. Most consumers have much more information coming back to their computers (e.g., image in response to a URL) than in the other direction. The total bandwidth on the link is thus split asymmetrically, with more bandwidth in the download direction
If you are using IP telephony or videoconferencing, however, the application inherently needs the same amount of bandwidth in both directions -- hence symmetrical DSL.
It can be tricky to compare the speeds of DSL and cable. In a cable system, you are competing for bandwidth on the local, shared cable. DSL gives you your own pipe to the telephone central office, but then you compete for bandwidth (in a technically different way than cable) on the uplink from the central office to the ISP. That uplink, just like the one from the head end of a cable system to the ISP (or multiple ISPs), has nowhere near enough bandwidth to carry the traffic from all users simultaneously.
The reality is that all users don't transmit or receive simultaneously, so what is called "oversubscription" actually is practical engineering. In consumer applications, there might be 100 to 1 oversubscription, but 10 to 1 or less in business applications.
DSL is really an interim technology pending either fiber to the home, or possibly some high-speed wireless methods.
Duke of URL - 04 May 2005 01:48 GMT > WoooHoooo! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yowie, joining the 21st century Mazeltov!
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