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jmcquown - 29 Apr 2005 16:09 GMT
Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
right; he's not getting enough blood flow down the leg.  So on Monday
morning, May 1, they are going to insert a balloon to open up the artery.

Dad is approaching 81 years of age and I'm concerned about all these
invasive procedures (and anesthesia) at his age.  Any spare purrs for a
successful outcome would be appreciated.

Jill
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Catnipped - 29 Apr 2005 16:13 GMT
> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
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>
> Jill

Get well purrs are winging their way to his bedside now.  Please let us know
how it turns out.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Jo Firey - 29 Apr 2005 18:51 GMT
Prayers, and purrs and Go Dad!  Purrs on the way.  Also peace of mind purrs
for the rest of the family.

Jo
>> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
>> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still
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>
> CatNipped
Karen - 29 Apr 2005 16:20 GMT
Scary. Surgery purrs coming.

> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
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>
> Jill
Pat - 29 Apr 2005 16:40 GMT
> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> invasive procedures (and anesthesia) at his age.  Any spare purrs for a
> successful outcome would be appreciated.

Purrs on the way. Also, wondering if perhaps local rather than general
anesthesia is an option, for a leg thing?
jmcquown - 29 Apr 2005 17:01 GMT
>> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last
>> year. One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it
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> Purrs on the way. Also, wondering if perhaps local rather than general
> anesthesia is an option, for a leg thing?

That might well be the case.  Mom didn't give me any details about that.
I'll be calling her tomorrow and will be sure to ask; if she doesn't know
she should call the surgeon and inquire.  I'm sure it would put her mind at
rest (as well as Dad's and mine).

Jill
Marina - 30 Apr 2005 04:57 GMT
>>>Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last
>>>year. One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it
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> she should call the surgeon and inquire.  I'm sure it would put her mind at
> rest (as well as Dad's and mine).

Seven out of the eight times I've had hand surgery, it was done under
local anesthesia. Sending good-luck purrs for your Dad.

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Helen Miles - 29 Apr 2005 16:57 GMT
> Dad is approaching 81 years of age and I'm concerned about all these
> invasive procedures (and anesthesia) at his age.  Any spare purrs for a
> successful outcome would be appreciated.
>
> Jill

Many purrs and prayers that things are successful.

{{HUGS}}

Helen M
Howard Berkowitz - 29 Apr 2005 17:02 GMT
> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> invasive procedures (and anesthesia) at his age.  Any spare purrs for a
> successful outcome would be appreciated.

While concern is justified, most balloon procedures do not use full
anesthesia, just a local where the artery is entered, and a level of
sedation that makes the patient comfortable.  When I've had my cardiac
catheterizations and balloon procedures, I requested no sedation because
I wanted to watch.

With a heart angioplasty, there are some potentially painful times when
blood flow to the heart is blocked. When I had this, I received small
amounts of narcotic in the IV. A leg procedure shouldn't produce this
sort of pain.
jmcquown - 29 Apr 2005 17:08 GMT
>> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last
>> year. One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it
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> produce this
> sort of pain.

Thank you, Howard.  I'm pretty sure now that I think about it and after
reading Pat's reply, it will probably be a local.  Mom told me Dad expects
to be able to go home that same day.  She wasn't sure about that and told
him she'll pack a small overnight bag just in case.

Jill
Howard Berkowitz - 29 Apr 2005 18:50 GMT
> >> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last
> >> year. One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it
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> to be able to go home that same day.  She wasn't sure about that and told
> him she'll pack a small overnight bag just in case.

"Same day" may mean up to 23 hours. One of the things that delays the
discharge is that the patient usually has blood anticoagulated, so there
are no clots during the procedure. That usually translates to having
pressure over the place where the catheter went in for about 4 hours, or
possibly longer. If there were unexpected bleeding, it's easy enough to
control in the hospital.

For procedures to the heart, brain, etc., the needle is inserted in the
upper thigh -- I'm not sure where it would be for this procedure. I will
utter a slight note of frustration from my first angioplasty, in which
an especially gorgeous nurse would check my groin every 15 minutes,
assisted by my equally gorgeous wife. I'll tell you that "move and you
bleed to death" is even worse than a cold shower.
Hopitus - 29 Apr 2005 19:38 GMT
ROFL yes Howard you are either a doctor or a very smart nurse and I admire
and are grateful for your expertise (which this former xray tech can only
match re
xrays and ER procedures relating to) I had two caths w/angioplasty @
different times (total of 4 caths and balloons + that beta radio pellet
remedy for stopping scar tissue growth) and each time had the local,
sedatives, + premed for iodide allergy....unlike you, I had strong sedation
and did watch the whole thing though drunk as
a skunk; yeah, heart caths hurt but not the whole time.
What I was laughing @ was "move and you bleed to death"! Both times they
left the cath cannula in overnight till second cath/balloon on the smaller
blockage....did you, Howard, become an expert @ eating dinner off your chest
while flat on you back, raising only your head?
That's *lots* of fun, I can tell you. But hey, at least up to
now I've been spared the open-heart bypass route (only had 2 blockage
points: one the RCA itself, the other a tributary off the LAD. Thank God for
stents. Thank you again for relieving Jill re her Daddy.

>> >> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last
>> >> year. One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it
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> assisted by my equally gorgeous wife. I'll tell you that "move and you
> bleed to death" is even worse than a cold shower.
Howard Berkowitz - 29 Apr 2005 20:43 GMT
> ROFL yes Howard you are either a doctor or a very smart nurse

It's probably safest to say I'm not a doctor, but I simulate them on
computers. One of my professional areas is clinical system automation,
where I both design the software architecture but also deal with the
clinicians to find out what they are trying to accomplish.  Often, in
clinical automation, the physicians and nurses tend to resent automation
people, saying they are trying to force computers on them without
understanding the problem.

In such cases, I often get sent in, but I won't talk about computers in
the first few interviews -- I talk about cardiac pharmacology, intensive
care, etc., until I build some credibility. One of the important things
to get across is that I have to understand how they think in order to
build models of it.

Originally, I started as an undergraduate biochemistry major intending
to go into medicine, but life doesn't always turn out the way you
planned. I continue to take continuing education for physicians,
subscribe to major journals, and, where possible, participate in
research (on both sides of the staff and patient line).

In fact, I'm trying to think of how I will respond to Jo's comment about
a tube down the throat.  I had that experience (transesophageal stress
echocardiography) at NIH Clinical Center, but the procedure became at
least R-rated. I'd have sworn that it was directed by Frederico Fellini.

>and I
> admire
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> remedy for stopping scar tissue growth) and each time had the local,
> sedatives, + premed for iodide allergy....

It sounds like you had yours more recently than mine.  I'm having to
think when they were; the CABG was in, IIRC, 1994. Even basic stents, to
say nothing drug- or radiation eluting ones, weren't in use at the time.  

>unlike you, I had strong
> sedation
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> smaller
> blockage....

That technique wasn't in use for my first PTCA, with the cath and the
PTCA done in different hospitals, a week or two apart. It was done for
the second.

<did you, Howard, become an expert @ eating dinner off your
> chest
> while flat on you back, raising only your head?

HA! Would you believe that the meal served to me after BOTH
angioplasties, one in Washington DC and the other in California,
was...be ready for this...

spaghetti and meatballs in tomato sauce.

I may not have bled much from the procedures, but after dinner and
before cleanup, if you didn't know it was tomato sauce, you'd have seen
me and thought I was a major trauma case!

> That's *lots* of fun, I can tell you. But hey, at least up to
> now I've been spared the open-heart bypass route (only had 2 blockage
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> > assisted by my equally gorgeous wife. I'll tell you that "move and you
> > bleed to death" is even worse than a cold shower.
Hopitus - 29 Apr 2005 21:51 GMT
I cannot *believe* they served you that for dinner w/you flat on your
back....that's much worse than what they served me: some gravy-covered meat
blob surrounded by big spoonfuls of fresh green peas...the nurses (who were
ordinarily chicks I worked w/every working day in the CCU unit for portables
and C-arm bedside tasks) were softly cursing as they picked the peas out of
my hair later that night......and in no mood for my cheery comment (I was
sober by then), "You were right! I *don't* have a hangover even after being
so stinkin' drunk!" LOL. Yes, my experience was 7/03 and 9/03;
but I was actually kinda glad I didn't get one of the medicated stents
(brand-new then) as I read and heard they had a significant side-effect
death %...hopefully thats improved by now).

>> ROFL yes Howard you are either a doctor or a very smart nurse
>
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>> > assisted by my equally gorgeous wife. I'll tell you that "move and you
>> > bleed to death" is even worse than a cold shower.
Jo Firey - 29 Apr 2005 18:56 GMT
>> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
>> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still
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> amounts of narcotic in the IV. A leg procedure shouldn't produce this
> sort of pain.

You sound like me.  I was pissed I didn't get to watch my lithotripsy.  And
I really should have asked for a video of my ear surgery.  Of course I
realize the assistant likely did most if not all of the actual surgery. but
I don't really care.  She's been assisting that surgeon for five years.

I gotta be out if they want to put a tube down my throat, (claustrophobia.
I wanna be out before they even spray the numbing stuff in my throat) but
otherwise some of this stuff is way interesting.

Jo
Catnipped - 29 Apr 2005 19:17 GMT
> >> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
> >> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still
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>
> Jo

I have a video of the bone reconstruction surgery they did on my shoulder
taken by the laparoscopic camera (at least the part that was done by
laparoscope) - it is *way* kewl.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Catnipped - 29 Apr 2005 20:09 GMT
> I have a video of the bone reconstruction surgery they did on my shoulder
> taken by the laparoscopic camera (at least the part that was done by
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>
> CatNipped

Speaking of which, here are some pictures right after the bone
reconstruction surgery (gross warning - the bruising was *really*
spectacular!)  ;>

http://www.possibleplaces.com/surgery.asp

Note to Tweed - they had me doing physical therapy the *next day after the
surgery* and I was only taking Vicodin.  The fear of pain is, I think, worse
than the actual pain from surgery.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Marina - 30 Apr 2005 05:10 GMT
>>While concern is justified, most balloon procedures do not use full
>>anesthesia, just a local where the artery is entered, and a level of
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> You sound like me.  I was pissed I didn't get to watch my lithotripsy.  And
> I really should have asked for a video of my ear surgery.  

My Dad would have wanted to watch the operation on his brain tumour, but
wasn't allowed. I'm always just as happy to not see what they do to me.
I can't even watch when they stick in the needle to draw blood from my
arm, which is sort of crazy since I inject myself with my insulin pen
five or more times a day, plus take several blood tests from my
fingertips during the day.

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Kreisleriana - 29 Apr 2005 17:09 GMT
>Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
>One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
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>
>Jill

Vascular purrs for your dad.

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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 29 Apr 2005 17:14 GMT
>Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
>One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
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>
>Jill

You got it, Jill. Purrs on the way.

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O J - 29 Apr 2005 17:41 GMT
Jill wrote:

>Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
>One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>invasive procedures (and anesthesia) at his age.  Any spare purrs for a
>successful outcome would be appreciated.

Purrs that this procedure will do the trick and that he'll need no
more of these invasive treatments.

Regards  and Purrs,
O J
Gabey8 - 29 Apr 2005 18:07 GMT
Purrs and purr-ayers are on the way for a successful treatment!

Donna, Captain, and Stanley
mlbriggs - 29 Apr 2005 18:10 GMT
> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Jill
 
Purrs for a successful procedure.   MLB
Victor Martinez - 29 Apr 2005 21:42 GMT
> Dad is approaching 81 years of age and I'm concerned about all these
> invasive procedures (and anesthesia) at his age.  Any spare purrs for a
> successful outcome would be appreciated.

Lots of purrs on the way.

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Christina Websell - 29 Apr 2005 22:36 GMT
Purrs for your father's surgery to be successful this time.

Tweed

> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Jill
Elise - 29 Apr 2005 23:43 GMT
> Dad is approaching 81 years of age and I'm concerned about all these
> invasive procedures (and anesthesia) at his age.  Any spare purrs for a
> successful outcome would be appreciated.

Successful surgery and quick recovery purrs on the way

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Adrian - 30 Apr 2005 10:30 GMT
> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last
> year. One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it
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>
> Jill

Purrs for your dad to have a good outcome and little pain.
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tanada - 30 Apr 2005 14:22 GMT
> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Jill

Purrs and healthy thoughts and wishes headed your way from us all.
Rob's Grandfather died on April 22 from pneumonia.  He was in his high
eighties, and had all sorts of similar operations as your father is
having.  If your father is as tough an old bird as Granddad, he'll use
up 11 of his nine lives too.

Pam S. arranging purrs and meditations on your behalf
jmcquown - 30 Apr 2005 16:42 GMT
>> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last
>> year. One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it
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>
> Pam S. arranging purrs and meditations on your behalf

My father is a full bird "Colonel, USMC Retired" and he makes sure everyone
knows it.  It's on his checks, his mailing labels... can you say "proud"?
LOL  Well, he has every right to be.  He served for 30 years; started out as
an enlisted man at the age of 17.  Got out (after WWII), went to college,
reenlisted and went through Officer Training School.  The future for him
held Korea and Vietnam.  Oh, joy.

I talked to him this morning.  He said no, they are not doing a local
anesthetic.  They will be putting him under full anesthesia.  Oh crap.  He
doesn't sound worried, but then, he wouldn't want to worry me.  I'm still
worried.

Jill
polonca12000 - 30 Apr 2005 19:00 GMT
Lots of purrs and best wishes for the procedure to be very successful and
for your dad to recover completely and soon,
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> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
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>
> Jill
Sam Nash - 01 May 2005 00:39 GMT
> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Jill
Purrs that your Dad's "balloon trip" does the trick, finally.
Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
Steve Touchstone - 01 May 2005 08:19 GMT
>Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
>One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>invasive procedures (and anesthesia) at his age.  Any spare purrs for a
>successful outcome would be appreciated.
Purr on the way for a succesful procedure and quick recovery
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Christine Burel - 02 May 2005 04:17 GMT
Purrs coming for your dad, Jill.
Christine
> Dad had surgery for blockages in the arteries in both his legs last year.
> One didn't quite "take" and they went in again.  Apparently it still isn't
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>
> Jill
 
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