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Alternative medicine. Giving homeopathy a chance
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Christina Websell - 28 Apr 2005 00:14 GMT I have told you all before about my German friend Nüle. I met her on a poultry newsgroup and she came over to help when my mother died suddenly in 2003. We have mailed each other nearly every day since late 2002 and she has been here 3 times, and I've been over to Germany once. We are really great friends, we have almost everything in common.
As it happens, she is a homeopath. She studied medicine for 6 years and decided this was the path she wanted to go down.
She phoned me on Saturday night and we talked for two hours. She said it could do no harm to give homeopathy a chance while I am waiting for surgery. I don't know whether any of you have had a consultation with a homeopath, but let me say it's very thorough and takes a long time. "*Is it better for heat or for cold?" etc etc.
She decided on a remedy after reportarising (sp??) for a few hours. This involves consulting lots of books to find a remedy that fits as many of the symptoms as possible.
The remedy is called Lachesis. She sent two envelopes with it in case one should go missing in the post (belt and braces girl, this one!) They both arrived today. In the first one was the dosage she wants me to take for the next four days (also in the second one.) In the second one is different potencies of Lachesis too, in case it needs to be moved up a gear.
For those who are interested, here is a little of what she said in her e-mail about how/when/what
"Lachesis is a very strong remedy, as I told you it is made from a very poisonous snake venom and it has a special affinity to the female organs, especially the ovaries. It has cured both cysts and cancerous affections of the ovaries, as long as they started on the left side. It is a left- sided remedy in general, I have successfully used it in inflammations of the throat that were painful only on the left, or started there and spread to the right side later. Lachesis can have a very sensitive skin and cannot bear the touch of clothes, especially round the neck and waist. It also has burning pains a lot, as well as sensations of heat (or flushes of heat, which you haven't). All in all, I hope it will give you some relief.."
Well, I had done as I was told the previous day, and supercleaned a jam jar and filled it with boiled water, and then in the fridge to put the remedy in when it arrived, which I did and was able to take it as instructed, dissolved and shaken very hard 20 minutes later. N told me to take it as soon as possible when it arrived, we don't have early letter delivery here, and then take it as soon as I wake up in the morning and last thing before I go to sleep at night.
I have taken no painkillers at all today. I have had pain, but it's tolerable unlike last week when I needed morphine and volterol suppositories. I shall take some before I go to bed, though, so I can get a peaceful night. I am determined to live. My cats need me and so do my chickens, lots of them are geriatric, I have two 11 years old. They are Appenzellers, these two old girls, a Swiss breed marked like a dalmatian and with a horned comb and a crest on the head like a thistle flower. Have a google on Appenzeller Spitzhauben. I also have Sicilian Buttercups and Lakenfelder both large fowl, and Barnevelder bantams, I was a sucker for trying to keep the rare breeds going.
Tweed
Catnipped - 28 Apr 2005 00:32 GMT > I have told you all before about my German friend Nüle. I met her on a > poultry newsgroup and she came over to help when my mother died suddenly in [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Tweed I'm glad you have something positive to do about this even before the surgery. Please let us know, when you feel up to it, how it's going.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Annie Wxill - 28 Apr 2005 01:17 GMT ...> ...>
> I have taken no painkillers at all today. I have had pain, but it's > tolerable unlike last week when I needed morphine and volterol ...>
> Tweed I don't know if you got my private email. I understand that you are not able to reply to everyone and don't expect a reply. I'm not a homeopath expert, but I have done some reading on alternate medicine. If you do a search on "active hexose correlated compound" or ACC, you will find information on a product that has been tested and found to boost the immune system to help conventional cancer treatments be more effective and better tolerated. I hope your friend's treatment works for your pain. Also, we are sending purrs and prayers, and you are in my thoughts daily. Annie
Howard Berkowitz - 28 Apr 2005 03:04 GMT > ...> ...> > > I have taken no painkillers at all today. I have had pain, but it's [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Also, we are sending purrs and prayers, and you are in my thoughts daily. > Annie Perhaps some other information might be of use. Gynecologic oncology is by no means my field, but I went through the ovarian cancer section report from the June 2004 American Society of Clinical Oncology. I can check into more recent work if that would be useful.
Incidentally, while I don't know how the system works in the UK, one of the ways of getting the best care in the US is to enroll in clinical trials, especially when in the multicenter phase. In such a trial, placebos are not ethically accepted -- you will get the best accepted practice or a proposed better approach.
The standard chemotherapy for ovarian cancer uses drugs from two classes, a platinum compound (carboplatin and cisplatin) and one in the taxane (paclitaxel or docetaxel). If at all possible, get carboplatin rather than cisplatin; it's considerably lower in side effects).
In some of the clinical trials in progress, they are adding a third drug, typically an anthracycline antibiotic. As of last June, they were still trying to figure out the optimal dose. I can check the more recent work.
Other trials, in an earlier stage, are either 3- or 4-drug regimens. The additional agent uses immune system mechanisms, such as a monoclonal antibody targeted against a particular antigen associated with ovarian cancer. This antigen, CA125, is now used as a blood test in monitoring the disease.
{{{{Tweed}}}} [that's a cat hug from Mr.Clark along with purrs from all 3]
Christina Websell - 28 Apr 2005 03:32 GMT >> ...> ...> >> > I have taken no painkillers at all today. I have had pain, but it's [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > {{{{Tweed}}}} > [that's a cat hug from Mr.Clark along with purrs from all 3] They took a blood test for CA125 and another malignancy blood test, but they had to send it to another hospital to be processed and I still don't know the results. It's immaterial really. To have a visit x 2 from the gynie oncology nurse to counsel me is a bit of a giveaway. Thanks for the hugs. I need all I can get. Love Mr Clark, he's a darling. What colour is he?
Tweed
Howard Berkowitz - 28 Apr 2005 04:51 GMT > >> ...> ...> > >> > I have taken no painkillers at all today. I have had pain, but it's [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > had to send it to another hospital to be processed and I still don't know > the results. From what I've read, CA125 is less a diagnostic tool than a tool to track how well you are doing. It makes perfect sense to get a baseline before surgery.
>It's immaterial really. To have a visit x 2 from the gynie > oncology nurse to counsel me is a bit of a giveaway. > Thanks for the hugs. I need all I can get. > Love Mr Clark, he's a darling. What colour is he? > > Tweed Buff, orange, or ginger, with a bit of white, depending on who you ask.
Here are all three: http://www.pixelmeow.com/afhpics/files/hberkowitz2.html
hobbs - 03 May 2005 11:32 GMT Lovely cats Howard, Jean.P.
> > >> ...> ...> > > >> > I have taken no painkillers at all today. I have had pain, but it's [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > Here are all three: > http://www.pixelmeow.com/afhpics/files/hberkowitz2.html tanada - 28 Apr 2005 04:24 GMT > Incidentally, while I don't know how the system works in the UK, one of > the ways of getting the best care in the US is to enroll in clinical > trials, especially when in the multicenter phase. In such a trial, > placebos are not ethically accepted -- you will get the best accepted > practice or a proposed better approach. Rob is part of the Phase III trial for Temodar.
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Howard Berkowitz - 28 Apr 2005 05:00 GMT > > Incidentally, while I don't know how the system works in the UK, one of > > the ways of getting the best care in the US is to enroll in clinical [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Pam S. Temodar is an incredible leap forward over anything that was available previously -- and once the first drug in a class is discovered, improved versions are likely.
Progress is constant. For breast cancer, tamoxifen, only a few years ago, was an enormous leap forward. Recently, though, the new aromatase inhibitors are as much a leap beyond tamoxifen as tamoxifen was beyond earlier drugs. Several clinical trials comparing aromatase inhibitors against tamoxifen were stopped early, since the aromatase inhibitors were so much better that it was unethical to withhold it. Now, the research is which of the two approved aromatase inhibitors is better, and whether this class should be combined with tamoxifen.
Once, the childhood (especially acute) leukemias, Hodgkin's disease, and several others were considered a quick sentence of death. Now, it's often reasonable to speak of cure, not just control. Many of the effective regimens are combinations of drugs, and it takes time to work out the optimal mix. When I spoke of 3- and 4-drug combinations for ovarian cancer, I must remind Tweed that this is data a year or more old, and no one has been standing around since then.
Debbie Wilson - 28 Apr 2005 08:30 GMT > Incidentally, while I don't know how the system works in the UK, one of > the ways of getting the best care in the US is to enroll in clinical > trials, especially when in the multicenter phase. In such a trial, > placebos are not ethically accepted -- you will get the best accepted > practice or a proposed better approach. Here is a list of UK trials that appear to be ongoing. Some are looking into familial history and screening, but many seem to be treatment-related. Howard, can you see any that look like what you were describing? I can see one or two references to use of CA125 for monitoring, but not sure about the antibiotic?
Deb.
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Howard Berkowitz - 28 Apr 2005 12:57 GMT > > Incidentally, while I don't know how the system works in the UK, one of > > the ways of getting the best care in the US is to enroll in clinical [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Deb. Sorry, there was no link with this -- you can send it directly if you like.
The probable antibiotics of the anthracycline class would include doxorubicin, daunorubicin, or epirubicin. There may very well be new agents. Doxorubicin may be the single best drug we have for solid tumors, but it has the unfortunate side effect of cumulative heart toxicity, so there tends to be a maximum lifetime dose. Some of the experimental variants are hoped to be less toxic to the heart.
Doxorubicin, while being injected IV, at least is nice for the decor -- as opposed to most water-white drugs, it's a brilliant red-orange.
Debbie Wilson - 28 Apr 2005 13:01 GMT > Sorry, there was no link with this -- you can send it directly if you > like. Oops sorry, my mistake. This is the link (watch out for the line wrap):
http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/Trials/Search/clinicaltrials_search_page_p rocess?d=30&s=o
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Howard Berkowitz - 28 Apr 2005 14:20 GMT > > Sorry, there was no link with this -- you can send it directly if you > > like. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Deb. It's interesting that the UK that look at adding drugs to platinum or platinum/taxol use different third drugs than in most US studies. Some interesting ones include:
RM1273 and 55502 use a different class of drug with platinum than I had mentioned yesterday. OII uses yet another.
Without knowing more details about Tweed's medical history, it's a little hard to judge applicability. I also don't know how geographically feasible some of them would be.
One thing, Tweed, to notice in the technical description of many of the studies, is their "endpoint". This is a term in clinical trials for assessing the effectiveness of the treatment in an individual patient. In some trials, that's time of survival until death.
In many of these trials, however, many include endpoints of disease-free or symptom-free survival after a significant time period. In other words, many of these therapies do hope to achieve long-term benefit. They may have better odds than 3 in 10.
Victor Martinez - 28 Apr 2005 01:24 GMT I hope the homeopathic remedy helps at least a little bit!
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tanada - 28 Apr 2005 01:25 GMT > I shall take some before I go to bed, though, so I can get a peaceful night. > I am determined to live. My cats need me and so do my chickens, lots of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tweed Not a sucker, but a conservationist. I have a friend who has done what she can to propagate old fashioned flower breeds. I don't think either of you are loony.
If you feel comfortable with the treatments, use them. A big part of successful medical treatment is the patient's trust in the medical personnel and their remedies. I don't know much about Homeopathic remedies, but if they help, go for it. If Rob's cancer comes back and the chemo and radiation won't do any good, I may well be emailing you for Nule's address. In fact, if she has any ideas on something that will help him increase his stamina and make it so he doesn't sleep 12-15 hours a day, I'd be grateful.
Determination is the right attitude to have. Just don't let yourself get grim with it. Rob and I had to overcome the feeling that the cancer was IT. That it had become Rob and as such was taking over his life. It's a hard feeling to fight, but must be done, or you will find yourself drowning in sorrow and forgetting who you are.
Cap'n Pine Cone esq. says that you're invited to sail with the "Mouser." You can find the ship's logs at http://www.mousertails.blogspot.com/
Pam S. hoping you'll join us
Margaret Fine - 28 Apr 2005 01:44 GMT > I have told you all before about my German friend Nüle. I met her on a > poultry newsgroup and she came over to help when my mother died suddenly in [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Tweed Tweed, the cats need you, the chickens need you, and WE need you! Know that people all over the world are pulling for you!
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hobbs - 03 May 2005 11:37 GMT Please get better Tweed , Margaret is so right we all love you and need you!!!!!!!!! Jean.P,
> > I have told you all before about my German friend Nüle. I met her on a > > poultry newsgroup and she came over to help when my mother died suddenly in [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > Margaret Fine > mefine@mindspring.com polonca12000 - 28 Apr 2005 22:20 GMT I'm so glad to hear you are feeling so much better. Continued purrs and best wishes,
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> I have told you all before about my German friend Nüle. I met her on a > poultry newsgroup and she came over to help when my mother died suddenly in [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Tweed Adrian - 29 Apr 2005 20:16 GMT <snip>I was a sucker for trying to keep the rare breeds going.
> Tweed What do you mean *was* a sucker? You have to get better, you have a lot to give your birds and your cats, they need you. Will keep the purrs coming 24/7 until you're cured.
As for the homeopathy, it may help, it certainly won't do any harm.
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hobbs - 03 May 2005 11:08 GMT Nule sounds like a good friend to have, and I hope her medicine proves to be as good, we're all purring and Praying for you.As you said YOUR GOING TO LIVE!!!!!!!! {{{{{{{{{{{TWEED}}}}}}}}}}}} Hugs Jean.P.
> I have told you all before about my German friend Nüle. I met her on a > poultry newsgroup and she came over to help when my mother died suddenly in [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Tweed
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