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It's medication time!
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Pat - 26 Apr 2005 14:08 GMT I read the package insert on the Cephalexin and it says for each 10kg of body weight you can give up to 250mg every six hours or 500mg every 12 hours.
The vet prescribed 500mg twice a day, which is more than double the recommended dose, because Abelard doesn't even weigh 5kg.
Have you ever wrapped a small cat in a huge towel for restraint, and then had him object so strongly to his medication that the moment it hit his tongue he ripped the towel to shreds and shot out of your lap like a bullet from a gun?
Do you suppose TED knew, that even with maximum effort to administer the proper dose, the cat would spit out more than half of the medicine?
Mischief - 26 Apr 2005 14:30 GMT hehehehe, ah the joys of pilling a cat
The vet gave a large dose because you want to totally attack the infection.
Cephalexin is good for soft tissue injuries and ear infections (sorry I have a test on ABs this afternoon)
my suggestion is wrap him in a towel, grab the top of his head right behind the ears, tilt his head back and as he starts to yowl drop the pill in his mouth. Then hold his mouth shut until he starts licking his nose. (that's normally a sign they have swallowed)
if that doesn't work, you might need to get a pill gun or wrap it in tuna or something.
Good luck,
Kristi
Pat - 26 Apr 2005 15:05 GMT Trouble is, I'm administering a suspension, not a pill. So it's way harder to make him swallow.
> hehehehe, ah the joys of pilling a cat > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Kristi CatNipped - 26 Apr 2005 15:23 GMT > Trouble is, I'm administering a suspension, not a pill. So it's way harder > to make him swallow. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Kristi I feel for you! ;> When Bandit was injured she had to take liquid Clavamox - more of it ended up on her and on me that ended up down her throat. I just hoped the vet had taken that into consideration, and apparently they do.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Mischief - 26 Apr 2005 20:36 GMT Ah, in that case, work the syringe into the corner of hte mouth and give a little at a time. let him smack his tongue and give a chance for some of it to go down. then try giving a little more. I do know from experience if you try to squirt the whole thing in the cat most of it won't go down.
Then again, with some cats you have to get down and dirty and do just that.
But the yogurt thing seems like a good idea.
Good luck,
Kristi
Karen - 26 Apr 2005 15:31 GMT With pills, sometimes a light coating of butter on it helps. With liquid, you might be able to put it in some tuna water to make it more palatable. And tell him "Abelard, I want you to get BETTER. THis is GOOD for you."
> hehehehe, ah the joys of pilling a cat > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Kristi Pat - 26 Apr 2005 16:12 GMT > With pills, sometimes a light coating of butter on it helps. With liquid, > you might be able to put it in some tuna water to make it more palatable. He loves all kinds of fish as well as the broth they are cooked in if out of a can. But sweet strawberry flavoring in tuna water doesn't quite cut it!
Howard Berkowitz - 26 Apr 2005 22:11 GMT > > With pills, sometimes a light coating of butter on it helps. With > > liquid, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of > a can. But sweet strawberry flavoring in tuna water doesn't quite cut it! Clifford (RB) would struggle against the strawberries-and-cream flavored pediatric amoxicillin, but, once it was in his mouth, he'd lick his lips and say "more?" Unfortunately, I was never able to get him to lick it from a spoon, although he seemed to like the taste.
At that point, I was still using a plastic medicine dropper. My preference now is to use a blunt syringe, which lets me squirt liquid medication to the back of the throat, as a "liquid bullet" rather than drops.
Howard Berkowitz - 26 Apr 2005 22:08 GMT > hehehehe, ah the joys of pilling a cat > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Cephalexin is good for soft tissue injuries and ear infections (sorry I > have a test on ABs this afternoon) They are a member of the class of cephalosporin antibiotics, which are cousins of the penicillins. In the absence of allergies, these are some of the safest antibiotics with respect to side effects.
In human medicine, the doses are often taken far above the package inserts in serious infections. One of the reasons clinicians like them is that they actually kill bacteria, rather than simply keeping them from reproducing as do other classes (technically, bacteriocidal vs. bacteriostatic). In other words, if you have a very sick patient whose immune system may not be up to getting rid of a lower number of bacteria, bacteriocidal antibiotics have an advantage.
> my suggestion is wrap him in a towel, grab the top of his head right > behind the ears, tilt his head back and as he starts to yowl drop the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Kristi Christine Burel - 26 Apr 2005 16:24 GMT Pat, I don't know if this will help, but you can try it. Do you have any idea what the med tastes like yourself? Is it really gross? When I've had to give liquid antibiotics to Tucker and others of the kitty clan, I found that amoxicillin tastes like bubblegum, which is sort of gross, but not horrific. So what I did was get Tucker a taste of vanilla yogurt on a spoon; he loved it! I started out with a little yogurt on the spoon and dropped a few drops of the amoxicillin behind the yogurt and he got his tongue in it, but he was so taken with the yogurt part he ate it anyway. I introduced more and more drops with the yogurt on the spoon and he started taking it as a matter of course. In this way, I have been able to get him to take his meds. I also always finished up with a little bit of pure vanilla yogurt for him to lap up to get the med taste off his tongue. You could try tuna juice instead of yogurt and/or some other special reward or treat for him for afterwards. I would suggest you try and medicate Abelard in a small room (if you aren't already) like a bathroom so he can't go too far, too.
How much liquid are you having to give at a time? I have found that a small thin syringe works much better than the dropper that often comes with these med bottles. Another possibility I've been told about (although I haven't tried it myself) is to see if you can try and put the liquid med inside of empty gelatin capsules (from a health store) and use a pill popper.
Sending supportive purrs your way. Hope this helps. Christine
> I read the package insert on the Cephalexin and it says for each 10kg of > body weight you can give up to 250mg every six hours or 500mg every 12 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Do you suppose TED knew, that even with maximum effort to administer the > proper dose, the cat would spit out more than half of the medicine? Pat - 26 Apr 2005 18:01 GMT > Pat, I don't know if this will help, but you can try it. Do you have any > idea what the med tastes like yourself? Is it really gross? > <snip> It's very strongly sour + sweet. At first I thought of mixing it with yoghurt, which he likes, but he only likes plain yoghurt.
The quantity is 10ml/day which would be impractical for capsules. I did call the vet to see if I could exchange the 2nd bottle for pills instead, and she said yes, but it means another trip to Mtn. Grove within a week and I'm not sure I can manage that.
Karen AKA Kajikit - 26 Apr 2005 18:02 GMT >> Pat, I don't know if this will help, but you can try it. Do you have any >> idea what the med tastes like yourself? Is it really gross? >> <snip> > >It's very strongly sour + sweet. At first I thought of mixing it with >yoghurt, which he likes, but he only likes plain yoghurt. Try the yoghurt thing... what's the worst that can happen? He won't eat it and you go back to the towel. Both of our girls HATE medicine but if you mix it in with special kittenmilk they'll lap it right up like it was a gourmet treat. They also love yoghurt and I'm sure that would work too... ~Karen aka Kajikit Crafts, cats, and chocolate - the three essentials of life http://www.kajikitscorner.com *remove 'nospam' to reply
Steve Touchstone - 27 Apr 2005 05:47 GMT >I read the package insert on the Cephalexin and it says for each 10kg of >body weight you can give up to 250mg every six hours or 500mg every 12 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Do you suppose TED knew, that even with maximum effort to administer the >proper dose, the cat would spit out more than half of the medicine? Good luck getting him to take his medicine - I should have read some this thread before posting Sammy's update, and about the trouble I had getting her amoxicillin down.
Thanks to all who responded to Pat's post, since it gave me ideas for getting the evil pink stuff down Sammy.
Well, I haven't gone to the store for cat treats yet, so will also pick up some tuna, yogurt, even some sour cream since I've read that some have good luck with it. And, of course a package of cat treats for a reward if I get it down her. Probably too late to find empty capsules, a small oral syringe to try instead of the dropper, or any of the kitten milk subsitute, but if I have trouble tonight I'll look for them tomorrow. I also saw the suggestion that it sometimes work best to give it slowly insto of squriting the whole dose down, so will try that.
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Pat - 27 Apr 2005 13:28 GMT > Good luck getting him to take his medicine - I should have read some > this thread before posting Sammy's update, and about the trouble I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > best to give it slowly insto of squriting the whole dose down, so will > try that. Amoxycillin has always been very simple to administer compared to this stuff. I can smell it halfway across the room myself!
I tried the yoghurt suggestion yesterday, using about 12 parts yoghurt to one of the drug. He licked up about half a teaspoon of the mix before quitting, so I put the rest of it in a 35cc syringe, wrapped him in a towel AND blanket, and gave the rest. He didn't struggle quite as hard to avoid it, but it took so much longer due to the larger quantity that it was just as trying for both of us as giving 5cc of the straight stuff.
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