Sorry folks, I have to get it off my chest.
I have just had a discussion with a lady who works in rescue, where
I have agreed to foster a pair of very bonded cats to assess them
for re-homing. They have been in cattery pens for 7 months, because
apparently, Contessa is "difficult".
I've had them 4 hours and IMNSHO, the boy, Champion, is a sweet-
heart, cuddle-bug etc. The little lassie, Contessa, is a very
fraidy, fraidy timid and shy semi-feral, who is scared of
everything. She's very reliant on Champion, and she hisses as
everything and tries to hide.
The BLOODY RESCUER described her to me, as the "Bitch from Hell"
(presumably because she hissed) and said (and I quote) "I had to
manhandle her into the box because she was un-co-operative".
Because Contessa is afraid of humans, and hisses at them and won't
interact with people, they have been handling her with leather
guantlets and forcing her to do things - i.e. making her run becuase
she hisses at them, and being agressive towards her.
She's now so friady, she SHAKES when a human goes near her.
IT MAKES ME SO BLOODY MAD. All that little lassie needs is someone
who is not going to pressure her, and lets her do things on her own
terms. Instead, she's just been through 7 months of terrified hell
because she had the wrong attitude from her foster carer, and her
foster carer can't read cat body language.
Fortunately, they are due to move on to a large no-kill rescue
facility that I work with, and that is experienced in dealing with
shy and timid cats once I've assessed them properly, but jeez. I am
so bloody mad at the rescuers.
Sorry, had to get it off my chest.
Helen M
Cheryl Perkins - 25 Apr 2005 23:34 GMT
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> Fortunately, they are due to move on to a large no-kill rescue
> facility that I work with, and that is experienced in dealing with
> shy and timid cats once I've assessed them properly, but jeez. I am
> so bloody mad at the rescuers.
I suppose the rescuers can't be perfect.
Contessa sounds a bit like Betsy when she first arrived - growling and
hissing. But she was really timid (and Mandy acting like a particularly
bad-tempered Empress who's just discovered invaders didn't help). But
Betsy gained confidence with me eventually, once she was left to approach
me at her own speed. She's still not really fond of other humans - it's
only been about 15 years! - but is much friendlier with me.

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HRFLTiger - 26 Apr 2005 00:14 GMT
But
> Betsy gained confidence with me eventually, once she was left to approach
> me at her own speed. She's still not really fond of other humans - it's
> only been about 15 years! - but is much friendlier with me.///
She's exactly like Pandora - only Pandora and I have reached an
understanding that I explain exactly what I am doing to her at all
times, even if I'm just going to scritch her head, and she's relaxed
and happy to the point that she squeaks at me to hurry up with her fish
supper when it's fresh fish for dinner, and she kicks me in the head in
bed at night when she's getting comfortable.
My only rule is that I let Pandora dictate what I am and am not allowed
to do.
Hopefully it will work with Contessa.
Helen M
CatNipped - 25 Apr 2005 23:40 GMT
> Sorry folks, I have to get it off my chest.
>
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> Helen M
Gosh, I'd be really mad too. Does she have a supervisor you can talk to
about this? I'd hate to see this type of abuse continue!
Hugs,
CatNipped
HRFLTiger - 26 Apr 2005 00:17 GMT
> Gosh, I'd be really mad too. Does she have a supervisor you can talk to
> about this? I'd hate to see this type of abuse continue!///
I think TBH, it was ignorance of being able to read ferals & their
behaviour, rather than deliberate agression.
I was <ahem> "very direct" in my opinions to the rescuer. I think
she'll be changing her attitude. ;o)
Helen M
CatNipped - 26 Apr 2005 00:18 GMT
> > Gosh, I'd be really mad too. Does she have a supervisor you can talk
> to
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> Helen M
Ah! Well hopefully you've educated her so that it won't happen again.
First contact with a human, for a feral, is very crucial and should be
handled by someone who knows what they're doing.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Karen - 26 Apr 2005 00:06 GMT
> Sorry folks, I have to get it off my chest.
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> Helen M
I don't blame you for ranting. Perhaps you should send the old fosterer a
book on how to handle cats!! For god's sake, if she is going to foster she
should know *something* about working with them!
Christine Burel - 26 Apr 2005 00:11 GMT
I'm glad she finally has a chance since you get to assess her. Poor baby.
Purrs for things to get better for her from here on out.
Christine
> Sorry folks, I have to get it off my chest.
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> Helen M
Drcalaf - 26 Apr 2005 00:42 GMT
Also remind the handler that being feral is not native behavior. These
are domestic animals. They LEARN to be feral. And if they're to ever
become non-feral they have to be taught to be non-feral through a system
of reinforcing good behavior and building trust.
> Helen M

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 28 Apr 2005 04:11 GMT
> Also remind the handler that being feral is not native behavior. These
> are domestic animals. They LEARN to be feral. And if they're to ever
> become non-feral they have to be taught to be non-feral through a system
> of reinforcing good behavior and building trust.
The only "feral" I've dealt with was Patches (who had
already decided to move in, because he liked the food).
However, I found that simply having food and water
accessible, with no one trying to make him do anything,
worked wonders with his caution around humans. (He'd found
the pet-door for himself - that's how he discovered the food
bowls in the kitchen - so I didn't have to worry about a
litterbox.)
He came and went as he pleased, but it wasn't long at all
before I'd get up at night to see a large white, furry
splotch sprawled on the living-room carpet, or sacked out in
my big easychair. (Eventually, he decided to share the bed
at night.) I imagine the secret of dealing with fearful
cats is simply to see so the things they need (mainly food
and water) are accessible, and let them take it from there
at their own pace. (Of course, if the cat were injured or
in obvious ill-health, you'd HAVE to be a bit more assertive.)
> > Helen M
Steve Touchstone - 30 Apr 2005 22:22 GMT
>The only "feral" I've dealt with was Patches (who had
>already decided to move in, because he liked the food).
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>at their own pace. (Of course, if the cat were injured or
>in obvious ill-health, you'd HAVE to be a bit more assertive.)
Which is essentially how I dealt with Rocky. He set the pace as he was
becoming tame (well except for TED visits). Which makes all the firsts
especially special to remember - from the first time he didn't run
when he saw me to the first time he jumped into my lap because I
wouldn't bend over to give him a scritch.

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tanada - 26 Apr 2005 01:33 GMT
> IT MAKES ME SO BLOODY MAD. All that little lassie needs is someone
> who is not going to pressure her, and lets her do things on her own
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> Sorry, had to get it off my chest.
Please, don't apologize. We went through something similar with Calvin,
and again with Grayling. Calvin had been dumped and had lost trust with
hoomins, and Grayling had never been socialized and was described as
feral and wild. The person who "rescued" him was supposedly an
experienced rescuer. Grayling just needed patience and someone to teach
him where the line was drawn. Calvin just needed fed properly and lots
of comforting. Sometimes, I get so mad when told that certain cats have
certain behaviors...and then I write a page about Calvin's likes and
dislikes for whoever adopted him.
Pam S.
Dan M - 26 Apr 2005 02:47 GMT
> Fortunately, they are due to move on to a large no-kill rescue
> facility that I work with, and that is experienced in dealing with
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> Helen M
Isn't it irritating when people who profess to care for cats can be so
completely ignorant of basic behavioral clues?
Marina - 26 Apr 2005 04:48 GMT
> Sorry, had to get it off my chest.
Rant on, that's what we're here for. Many purrs on the way for Contessa
to forget her trauma.

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Melissa Houle - 26 Apr 2005 06:18 GMT
> > Sorry, had to get it off my chest.
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What Marina said. Poor Contessa, no wonder the poor thing is frightened!
But with a gentle human who understands her fear, hopefully she'll calm down
and gain some confidence, soon.
Melissa
wafflycat - 26 Apr 2005 09:38 GMT
> Sorry folks, I have to get it off my chest.
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> Helen M
Poor Contessa. Glad she's with you now. Ferals need *patience & space* as
you well know. They need to be able to feel in control. You know how Marble
is a feral rescue? Well, he was a real fraidy cat when small and definitely
*not* a lap cat. It's taken years, but now he's mellowing in his old age ;-)
He adores having his head rubbed and purrs at 110 decibels the entire time
he's getting a head scritch and he'll now jump up on my lap. But it's always
got to be him initiating the contact & fuss.Ferals need time and I'm glad
Contessa has come your way... rather than a certain TV vet's way...
(shudder...).
Cheers, helen s
polonca12000 - 26 Apr 2005 19:31 GMT
Poor baby! Soncek was born to a semi-feral cat and even though other people
and I who took care of her and her babies, tried to socialize them as best
we could, Soncek is only now trusting enough to come to my lap (after I've
almost given it up, even though I would *love* to have a lap cat).
Thank you so much for caring for the kitties, they really are so lucky to
have found you, Helen,

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> Sorry folks, I have to get it off my chest.
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> Helen M
Jeanette - 26 Apr 2005 23:38 GMT
> Sorry folks, I have to get it off my chest.
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> Fortunately, they are due to move on to a large no-kill rescue
> facility that I work with, and that is experienced in dealing with
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> Helen M
Hey, they're in good hands now. It's sad when rescuers make mistakes, but
hopefully you'll be able to give them some feedback and suggestions. ;) When
you've calmed down, of course.
Jeanette
Adrian - 27 Apr 2005 16:02 GMT
> Sorry folks, I have to get it off my chest.
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> Helen M
Poor Contessa :-( I fully undertand your anger. Hopefully with the right
care she'll soon realise some humans are OK and soon forgets her ordeal.

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