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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / May 2005what to do about this
A guy at work has a 16-yr. old cat (at least 16 the vet says). He has 3 teeth and only eats canned food. He only likes Fancy Feast. This co-worker found the cat left in his apartment when he moved in. He took it to the vet and had to get all the shots including rabies, license, etc. and his apartment manager told him it would cost an additional $40 per month on top of a hefty rent ($800+), plus $300 security deposit to keep the cat. He wants to get rid of it, but at age 16, no one wants it. He is trying to get me to take it but I can't. I really can't. I already have 2 cats. Any suggestions? > A guy at work has a 16-yr. old cat (at least 16 the vet says). He has 3 > teeth and only eats canned food. He only likes Fancy Feast. This co-worker [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > He is trying to get me to take it but I can't. I really can't. I already > have 2 cats. Any suggestions? If he went through all that, why does he not want to keep it? How long has it been with him? > > A guy at work has a 16-yr. old cat (at least 16 the vet says). He has 3 > > teeth and only eats canned food. He only likes Fancy Feast. This co-worker [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If he went through all that, why does he not want to keep it? How long has > it been with him? If it were up to him alone, he would have shoved the cat out the door immediately. His wife moved here and she is the one that wanted to keep the cat. They have had it for almost a year now. He and wife are planning on moving once again and did contact some shelters but were told due to the cat's age, it would almost be impossible for adoption. Too many kittens and younger cats available. They were told the cat would most likely be put to sleep. > If it were up to him alone, he would have shoved the cat out the door > immediately. His wife moved here and she is the one that wanted to keep the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > younger cats available. They were told the cat would most likely be put to > sleep. Well, then if I were you I would at least take it in and try to find someone who will take it. I thought three cats would be too many but I knew Pearl would have a hard time finding a home. Turned out three were not too many. It seems empty now with two. I really think you could take the older kitty in or at least as an alternative and try to find it a home. Maybe with someone who doesn't want a younger kitty that would outlive them? > > If it were up to him alone, he would have shoved the cat out the door > > immediately. His wife moved here and she is the one that wanted to keep the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > in or at least as an alternative and try to find it a home. Maybe with > someone who doesn't want a younger kitty that would outlive them? I live in a condo and am only allowed 2 pets. I really can't take the cat. >>> If it were up to him alone, he would have shoved the cat out the door >>> immediately. His wife moved here and she is the one that wanted to keep [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > I live in a condo and am only allowed 2 pets. I really can't take the cat. I live in an apartment (corporate owned) that supposedlyl would only allow 2. I offered to pay an extra pet deposit and they allowed it. It never hurts to ask and if this couple has done that much all ready for the cat, they would probably pay a deposit for you if the local management accepted such an offer. It never hurts to ask. > >>> If it were up to him alone, he would have shoved the cat out the door > >>> immediately. His wife moved here and she is the one that wanted to keep [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > would probably pay a deposit for you if the local management accepted such > an offer. It never hurts to ask. Hi Karen.. I have already been down that path with management as I was fostering cats for awhile. I have condo rules and they are strict. I think if worse came to shove (I don't know where I heard that expression), I would probably take the cat in. >>>>> If it were up to him alone, he would have shoved the cat out the door >>>>> immediately. His wife moved here and she is the one that wanted to [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > if worse came to shove (I don't know where I heard that expression), I would > probably take the cat in. It's a very old cat. I mean, unless they do house patrol, would they really know? > It's a very old cat. I mean, unless they do house patrol, would they > really > know? My condos officially only allow one pet under 15 lbs. I have seven cats. I'm pretty sure most of my immediate neighbors know I have more than one cat, plus they know I work at the shelter, so I always have the "they're not all mine" excuse (even though they are right now). I figure, what's the condo board really going to do if they find out we have more than one pet? Kick me out? No, we own our house. Our condos aren't that strict, they never come around and check stuff, only exterior sometimes. This is a real dilemma. Is there any way the guy who has the cat can keep him? Can they find a more pet-friendly apt? If you do end up taking him in, he should be OK in one room for a while. Put up fliers everywhere. Maybe a local rescue will let you post him on Petfinder.  Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG >> It's a very old cat. I mean, unless they do house patrol, would they >> really [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > in, he should be OK in one room for a while. Put up fliers everywhere. > Maybe a local rescue will let you post him on Petfinder. I've never understood that about Condos and why I wouldn't buy into one. I also hate that about gated communities. Jeez, I OWN it, I should be able to say what is IN it. > I've never understood that about Condos and why I wouldn't buy into one. I > also hate that about gated communities. Jeez, I OWN it, I should be able to > say what is IN it. Same here. But here in Houston we don't have zoning laws and, potentially, a porn shop can open up right next to your home. So instead we have "homeowner associations" that impose "deed restrictions". We're lucky that in our subdivision, they're pretty easy-going and don't cite you for every little thing. But you can get cited for things like too many pine needles on your roof, ugly constructions on your lawn, junk cars in your driveway, overgrown lawn (really overgrown since we've never been cited and ours gets pretty long - DH is ergonomically challenged and I can't do outdoor work any more*), etc. It doesn't really rankle because, as I said, they are pretty easy-going and it keeps your neighbors from junking up the subdivision and bringing down property values. But there are *NO* restrictions on what you do or keep *inside* your home. * I cut the grass all last summer, but because of the weather here, I lost too much fluids and that caused my kidney stones. I miss doing it though - even though I should be terrified of going outdoors since one honey bee sting would kill me in about 10 minutes flat. Hugs, CatNipped >Same here. But here in Houston we don't have zoning laws and, potentially, >a porn shop can open up right next to your home. So instead we have >"homeowner associations" that impose "deed restrictions". My niece moved from Las Vegas to Houston and they bought a home in The Woodlands. It was culture shock in spades. She cried for weeks. The "Nazis", as she called them, complained about her yard and she fixed what they told her to; they came back to inspect and found something else wrong. She fixed that. The third time they had gotten down to inches and half-inches, of space between grass and sidewalk, etc. She was ready to tear her hair and scream. Her husband is home only on weekends and she was stuck with placating the "inspectors" and learning just how to keep them happy. Guess she caught on, haven't heard any complaints lately. Jeanne > >Same here. But here in Houston we don't have zoning laws and, potentially, > >a porn shop can open up right next to your home. So instead we have [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jeanne Ah, The Woodlands is on the high end of the property value scale here so I can understand that - they want to keep the property values *WAY* high. I'm not quite that upscale here in Spring ;> - close, but no cigar, so the HOA are not quite such Nazis! LOL Hugs, CatNipped >> Same here. But here in Houston we don't have zoning laws and, potentially, >> a porn shop can open up right next to your home. So instead we have [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jeanne Jeez louise! The space between the sidewalk and the grass????????????????? > >> Same here. But here in Houston we don't have zoning laws and, potentially, > >> a porn shop can open up right next to your home. So instead we have [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Jeez louise! The space between the sidewalk and the grass????????????????? LOL, yeah. But you'd have to *see* The Woodlands to believe it (the mall has valet parking and a ferry that takes tourists sailing around the man-made canals and sculptured landscape). It reminds me of those Walgreen commercial about the town of "Perfect"! ;> Hugs, CatNipped >Jeez louise! The space between the sidewalk and the grass????????????????? Oh, yes. Can't have a blade of grass overlapping onto the sidewalk!! Amy used a ruler as she edged the area to the proper width. She hasn't mentioned it lately so I assume she's either learned how or hired an expert to do it. Jeanne > My niece moved from Las Vegas to Houston and they bought a home in > The Woodlands. It was culture shock in spades. She cried for weeks. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Jeanne Heh - someone I know recently was talking about what a nice 'hood The Woodlands was. Not that I'd be caught dead in Houston, (or Texas, for that matter) mind you...;) -L. > Heh - someone I know recently was talking about what a nice 'hood The > Woodlands was. Not that I'd be caught dead in Houston, (or Texas, for > that matter) mind you...;) > > -L. I like Texas. But this "Woodlands"??? Ugh. I never heard of it but I can tell ya, I wouldn't live there if you paid me to. DH & I like flowers. We like bright colors. Our house has gone long past "cheerful" and is well on its way to "garish." I'm sure a HOA would have run us out on a rail long ago. Sherry > I like Texas. But this "Woodlands"??? Ugh. I never heard of it but I > can tell ya, I wouldn't live there if you paid me to. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sherry Our house is extremely conservative in a contemporary way. I think about resale every time I'm inspired to change too much, and decide against it. I don't know how flowers could be considered garish....(?) I used to have awesome perrenial beds when I lived in the midwest - here I haven't had the time to learn what grows well, nor the time to do it, with DS around...but we inhertited a nice set of perrenials in the back. I just wish I knew what they all were... -L. > Heh - someone I know recently was talking about what a nice 'hood The > Woodlands was. Not that I'd be caught dead in Houston, (or Texas, for > that matter) mind you...;) > > -L. Now I'm going to be nice and not say *thank gawd*! Oops! ;> > >> It's a very old cat. I mean, unless they do house patrol, would they > >> really [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > also hate that about gated communities. Jeez, I OWN it, I should be able to > say what is IN it. I think so, too Karen. I understand about neighborhood associations wanting the curb appeal and exterior to remain neat, but how many indoor cats you can have? I'd never last with a neighborhood association. I'm too much of a control freak about my own property. Sherry sriddles@aol.com had some very interesting things to say about Re: what to do about this: >I think so, too Karen. I understand about neighborhood associations >wanting the curb appeal and exterior to remain neat, but how many >indoor cats you can have? I'd never last with a neighborhood >association. I'm too much of a control freak about my own property. I wouldn't even BUY a house that stuck me with the HOA nonsense. My view is that if they're going to dictate what I may do with the property, they'd better either be paying for it or have actual law on their side, not just a group of OCD power freaks bullying. The more I hear about HOAs, the less convinced I am that the X-Files episode that focused on one was exaggerating. :-) Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > I wouldn't even BUY a house that stuck me with the HOA nonsense. My > view is that if they're going to dictate what I may do with the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The more I hear about HOAs, the less convinced I am that the X-Files > episode that focused on one was exaggerating. :-) LOL...I had forgotten about that! Thanks for the reminder.... -L. sridd...@aol.com wrote: > I think so, too Karen. I understand about neighborhood associations > wanting the curb appeal and exterior to remain neat, but how many > indoor cats you can have? I'd never last with a neighborhood > association. I'm too much of a control freak about my own property. > > Sherry I am as well. When we bought a home here we refused to look at anything with an HOA. Last thing I want is someone dictating what color my house is. When I lived in NC I rented a duplex which had the HOA from hell. I put in perrential flower beds and lined them my with hand-made ceramic tiles which matched the exterior of the building. Everyone who walked by exclaimed how nice the beds looked and asked where they could get tiles like them. Here's some that are similar (Artwork file - the pic isn't the best): http://photos.yahoo.com/usenetlyn. The HOA threw a tizzy because they weren't "pre-approved" before I put them in, but said that if I submitted a form to get them approved, they could remain. I wrote them back and said they aren't a permanent installation, so don't have to be preapproved, per the HOA contract. They complained more, so I just ripped them out. I don't think they expected me to do that. :) -L. > When I lived in NC I rented a duplex which had the HOA from hell. This is all sounds pretty amazing to me. Over here I've never heard of anyone having to pay a deposit to have a companion animal. There's a lot of "no pets" rules but for example, we have one on our rented flat. We did have a prat from the housing come round (He got off to a splendid start when he asked Dave for the number of his social worker and when Dave said "I don't have a social worker, why should I?" replied "But you're disabled you must have a social worker!")and he said we weren't supposed to keep pets but when his boss came over her only comment was "Ahhh......what a pretty kitty!" luckily Redunzel decided to be adorable and Sarrasine hid (it might have been a bit different if she had recieved one of Sarrasine's "arse ambushes"!) My mum brought a flat and was told "no pets" and when she explained that she had been asked to look after my brothers cat for a few months but it was an indoor cat they told her that they only put that rule in so if someone for example got a large dog and let it roam and cause damage they would be able to invoke the rules. They certainly had no problems with an indoor cat Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs (and yes, we would have moved if they had told us we couldn't have them anymore!) >> When I lived in NC I rented a duplex which had the HOA from hell. <Shudder> I've heard such awful things about HOAs that I'm glad we don't have them here, and I'll take my chances on the strip joint moving in next door - it might be an improvement over the bar on the corner. We do have zoning laws; I live in a mixed area that allows a certain amount of commercial devlopment combined with residential housing. I also know that when a new business wants to open up, every homeowner or landlord within a certain distance gets a letter from city hall explaining the proposal and how to express an opinion on it, so usage isn't entirely unregulated. But no one cares what colour your flowers are or the exact height of your fence. Or if you have flowers or a fence. > This is all sounds pretty amazing to me. Over here I've never heard of > anyone having to pay a deposit to have a companion animal. There's a > lot of "no pets" rules but for example, we have one on our rented > flat. I haven't heard of paying extra for a pet, but "no pets' rules are fairly common. In my experience (getting dated now, since I've been in the one place quite a while), basement apartments and such rented by individuals with only one or two properties are more likely to allow pets than big complexes run by management companies with one rule for everyone and rental agents who can't make exceptions. But the best landlady I ever had had a couple properties, and a strong opposition to pets, which she put in the lease. By the second time I rented from her, I had obtained two cats, and told her I was interested in the new place (where I still live) but had cats, she put permission for the cats in the lease. No extra charge. What is really unfortunate is that housing for low income people, the elderly etc., generally have strict no pet rules, which seems very unfair. SignatureCheryl > What is really unfortunate is that housing for low income people, the > elderly etc., generally have strict no pet rules, which seems very unfair. > > -- > Cheryl Yes, especially because pets can be so healing. I once lived in an apartment that decided to have a "cats must be declawed" rule. I told them no way was I going to declaw Mimi so they let her be "grand-fathered" under the old rules. I moved shortly thereafter because I didn't want to support them in any way. -L. Uh...in FL I, too, had only heard of "pet deposits" before moving in to rented place - ostensibly in case your pet damages anything in the place, *even if place is UNFURNISHED* - well, when I got to MileHigh (and I can't believe this is the only place that does this) I found most - but not all - rentals charge you @ least $10, $20, or even $30 a month MORE than your regular rent (they call it "pet rent" no less) and this on top of the one-time-no refund "damage deposit"!!! Hoomins, however, can get used to anything....where we live now has $150 one-time-no-refund deposit, but does not charge "pet rent" monthly. >>> When I lived in NC I rented a duplex which had the HOA from hell. > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > What is really unfortunate is that housing for low income people, the > elderly etc., generally have strict no pet rules, which seems very unfair. > Uh...in FL I, too, had only heard of "pet deposits" before moving in > to rented place - ostensibly in case your pet damages anything in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > live now has $150 one-time-no-refund deposit, but does not charge > "pet rent" monthly. I had to pay a non-refundable sum plus a monthly fee in Virginia, too, so it's definitely not just here ... Actually, in Virginia, my apartment's policy was to have a larger deposit and monthly fee for a large dog than for a cat, but the cat had to be declawed. I moved in with just my dog, Puma, but when I got Oscar, I wasn't about to declaw her, so I just didn't mention it. Not exactly playing by the rules, but I guess I felt that I was paying enough as it was. When Puma passed away, I continued to pay the dog fees, even though I only had a cat, and thereby avoided the whole discussion. I think the apartment we had in Boulder had a monthly pet fee, but no crazy declaw rules or anything. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > I think the apartment we had in Boulder had a monthly pet fee, but no > crazy declaw rules or anything./// This is the one rule that drives me crazy about renting in North America - that people use this as an excuse to declaw their cats. Like the landlord is going to pick up the kitties paws and check. It's one time when I think it's perfectly OK to lie. Just my $0.02. My 3 cats were all "Declawed" when they lived in the USA with my folks so that the landlord backed off. Amazingly, the claws of my cats regrew every time they left the house and went to the vet. ;o) Helen M > > I think the apartment we had in Boulder had a monthly pet fee, but no > > crazy declaw rules or anything./// [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Helen M ROTFLOL! Sounds like a perfect solution to me - when cat's welfare is at stake, lie your @$$ off! ;> Hugs, CatNipped >> This is the one rule that drives me crazy about renting in North America >> - that people use this as an excuse to declaw their cats. >> >> Like the landlord is going to pick up the kitties paws and check. It's >> one time when I think it's perfectly OK to lie. ROFL! Exactly. However, when I read that in the lease, I immediately brought it up and said that I would never declaw a cat, that it was cruel, and they crossed it off the list. It's not an issue anymore. I wouldn't have read these leases so carefully if I hadn't just been getting out of the Lease From Hell. Jane >> I think the apartment we had in Boulder had a monthly pet fee, but no >> crazy declaw rules or anything./// [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Helen M Many places have a form that must be signed by a vet. Not all. I just offered extra deposit and the manager agreed. I paid 200 per cat instead of 100. Otherwise, I was going elsewhere. Other places didn't go for it. THis one did. They did seem extremely puzzled how I "handled their claws". Sheesh. Like it's some big problem. "Helen Miles" <helen.miles@virgin.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: what to do about this: >> I think the apartment we had in Boulder had a monthly pet fee, but no >> crazy declaw rules or anything./// [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >so that the landlord backed off. Amazingly, the claws of my cats regrew >every time they left the house and went to the vet. ;o) My husband and I succeeded in getting one building manager to waive that rule by explaining just what the surgery involved and that we'd much rather simply rent elsewhere than put Felix through that. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > This is the one rule that drives me crazy about renting in North America > - that people use this as an excuse to declaw their cats. I'd use it as an excuse for renting elsewhere! I'm not sure it's even legal to have such a requirement - I AM sure you could get the owner a lot of unfavorable publicity if you got one of the "crusading" local TV channels to take it up as an "animal rights" issue. (And I'd certainly be the one to do it, if I ever ran up against such a requirement!) Maybe pet owners should become more politically vocal - there was a time when landlords in the U.S. could refuse to rent to people with children, but that's no longer true. (At least not in California, and I think it's true for the entire country.) They can certainly charge a sizeable damage deposit, but they must make it uniform for all tenants. (Although they can probably charge a higher deposit for two and three bedroom apartments than for one bedroom, which would effectively mean folks with kids were paying more.) >> This is the one rule that drives me crazy about renting in North America >> - that people use this as an excuse to declaw their cats. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >got one of the "crusading" local TV channels to take it up >as an "animal rights" issue. About the only way you could void this lease provision would be for declawing to be illegal in your jurisdiction. >>> This is the one rule that drives me crazy about renting in North America >>> - that people use this as an excuse to declaw their cats. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > About the only way you could void this lease provision would be for > declawing to be illegal in your jurisdiction. It's illegal in most countries. We await when it will be illegal in yours. Tweed >>>> This is the one rule that drives me crazy about renting in North America >>>> - that people use this as an excuse to declaw their cats. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Tweed the good news is it is at *least* being talked about now. I think that is a big step up. The wheels of judiciary move slowly. People can carp all they want about "activists" but it does seem to be making a dent. >>>>This is the one rule that drives me crazy about renting in North America >>>>- that people use this as an excuse to declaw their cats. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It's illegal in most countries. We await when it will be illegal in yours. As do many USAians! >>>This is the one rule that drives me crazy about renting in North America >>>- that people use this as an excuse to declaw their cats. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > About the only way you could void this lease provision would be for > declawing to be illegal in your jurisdiction. I don't believe that! Your landlord is assuming authority over YOUR "property", and has no right to do so. (Of course, I'd never rent from someone who even SUGGESTED such a thing, "legal" or not - and I'd be damned sure they knew just why they'd lost me as a prospective tenant.) >I don't believe that! Your landlord is assuming authority >over YOUR "property", and has no right to do so. (Of >course, I'd never rent from someone who even SUGGESTED such >a thing, "legal" or not - and I'd be damned sure they knew >just why they'd lost me as a prospective tenant.) If it's in the lease you've signed, then you've agreed to do it. A lease is a contract. You agree to pay so much money and the landlord agrees to provide an apartment and other amenities. Both parties are subject to the contract and the law that applies in your jurisdiction. If it isn't in the lease then your landlord would have a difficult time in court. Lobby your city council or state legislature to outlaw de-claw clauses (sorry) in apartment leases. > If it's in the lease you've signed, then you've agreed to do it. A > lease is a contract. You agree to pay so much money and the landlord > agrees to provide an apartment and other amenities. Both parties are > subject to the contract and the law that applies in your jurisdiction. > If it isn't in the lease then your landlord would have a difficult > time in court. Do YOU sign documents without reading them thoroughly? Why would anyone in his/her right mind SIGN a lease with such a requirement? Anyway, most of the rental properties I've encountered are generally rented on a month-to-month basis. There may be a "rental agreement" (which one should also read carefully) but no formal lease. > Lobby your city council or state legislature to outlaw de-claw clauses > (sorry) in apartment leases. >> If it's in the lease you've signed, then you've agreed to do it. A >> lease is a contract. You agree to pay so much money and the landlord [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> Lobby your city council or state legislature to outlaw de-claw clauses >> (sorry) in apartment leases. The places I've seen that are not absolute hell-holes have annual leases. A "rental agreement" is still a contract. >>>If it's in the lease you've signed, then you've agreed to do it. A >>>lease is a contract. You agree to pay so much money and the landlord [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The places I've seen that are not absolute hell-holes have annual > leases. Where do you live? There are certainly plenty of month-to-month rentals available in Southern California, and I wouldn't call ANY of them "hell-holes"! (Furthermore, even the apartments which require an initial six months to a year lease generally revert to month-to-month when it expires - I caused quite a stir when I asked to renew mine, the second year I lived here.) > A "rental agreement" is still a contract. But less binding, timewise - you can opt out, any time you choose. Anyway, I was taught to READ documents before I sign them - weren't you? (Just because some lowlife idiot "requires" something so immoral as declawing doesn't mean you have to rent from him, does it?) > Where do you live? There are certainly plenty of > month-to-month rentals available in Southern California, and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > expires - I caused quite a stir when I asked to renew mine, > the second year I lived here.) Real estate laws and customs tend to be highly regional, in my limited experience. It is possible here to find a place that you can rent month-to-month, but unless they are furnished ones intended for highly-paid people working here short-term, they tend to be, well, not always hell-holes, but student or other low cost housing which ranges from 'hell-holes' to 'tolerable', or, very rarely, 'very good'. It is possible, I suppose, to rent month-to-month after an initial lease expires, if your landlord agrees. I don't know what would happen if your landlord had, say, a no-pets clause in the lease, and after it expired, you got a pet and your landlord didn't like it. I think he'd be able to evict you pretty quickly under the landlord-tenants act since he could argue you were violating a lease, even if it was an oral and not written agreement, with exactly the same notice as if you had a written lease. And he could increase the rent with less notice. It is an extremely good idea for all tenants to have a copy of their local Landlord Tenants Act, or Residential Tenancies Act, or whatever it's called where they live. In fact, landlords here are required by law to provide their tenants with a copy, but most (in my experience) don't. >> A "rental agreement" is still a contract. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "requires" something so immoral as declawing doesn't mean > you have to rent from him, does it?) Whether or not you can opt out of an agreement depends on the agreement, and any over-riding legislation on the minimum amount of notice that must be given by either side. You should, of course, always read agreements before signing them. SignatureCheryl > It is possible, > I suppose, to rent month-to-month after an initial lease expires, if your > landlord agrees. In my case, it was I who WANTED the second lease - reverting to month-to-month was the landlord's usual policy. > I don't know what would happen if your landlord had, say, > a no-pets clause in the lease, and after it expired, you got a pet and > your landlord didn't like it. Month-to-month properties often include "rental agreements" (which, as the anal-retentive Mr. Hamblen pointed out) are also "legal documents". Certainly I would never acquire a pet if the landlord did not know about it and agree, formal document or no. > It is an extremely good idea for all tenants to have a copy of their local > Landlord Tenants Act, or Residential Tenancies Act, or whatever it's > called where they live. In fact, landlords here are required by law to > provide their tenants with a copy, but most (in my experience) don't. I suppose there IS such a thing in Los Angeles (and surrounding communities) but it's never been an issue. (Probably because I prefer to rent from individual owners, not management companies.) > Whether or not you can opt out of an agreement depends on the agreement, Which, if you had any sense, you READ before you signed it, so it will hold no surprises. > and any over-riding legislation on the minimum amount of notice that must > be given by either side. You're kidding, right? What kind of oppressive government do you live under, that a tenant on month-to-month cannot leave at a moment's notice? (Probably forfeiting the "last month" rent deposit, in that case, but that's why he/she paid it in the first place!) > You're kidding, right? What kind of oppressive government > do you live under, that a tenant on month-to-month cannot > leave at a moment's notice? (Probably forfeiting the "last > month" rent deposit, in that case, but that's why he/she > paid it in the first place!) I no longer have a copy of the local rules, but IIRC the law is a protection for the tenant - there is a minimum period of notice that the tenant must be given, even if there is no lease. I can't remember the reverse rule - I think a tenant (of an apartment or house) might give a month's notice, or, as you suggest, the money in lieu of notice might be about right. Generally speaking, the 'oppressive government' favours the tenant from having one's tenancy abruptly ended. There are, obviously, some situations in which the tenant is not protected - if they don't pay, for example, or if they break one of the conditions of their lease. And the length varies, depending on the type of tenancy. SignatureCheryl > Generally speaking, the 'oppressive government' favours the tenant from > having one's tenancy abruptly ended. There are, obviously, some situations > in which the tenant is not protected - if they don't pay, for example, or > if they break one of the conditions of their lease. And the length > varies, depending on the type of tenancy. In actual practice, judging from the experiences of frineds who own rental property, the legal eviction process takes a good deal longer than any "required" notice, even if they don't pay! (And if they have minor children, it may take even longer.) > In actual practice, judging from the experiences of frineds > who own rental property, the legal eviction process takes a > good deal longer than any "required" notice, even if they > don't pay! (And if they have minor children, it may take > even longer.) That depends on which particular "oppressive" government you live under, and the evicted tenant's awarenss of the law. All I'm trying to say is that (a) the law varies according to where you live so there's no point in making blanket statements about it and (b) anyone involved in renting property should make sure they are aware of the local law. (B) applies to both landlords and tenants, actually, now that I think about it, and whether or not there is a lease. SignatureCheryl > (Although they can probably charge a higher deposit for two and three > bedroom apartments than for one bedroom, which would effectively mean > folks with kids were paying more.) Not necessarily -- plenty of non-kid-having people rent multi-bedroom places. More deposit per sqft makes more sense to me than any of the other schemes I've seen out there. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > (Although they can probably charge a higher deposit for two and three > > bedroom apartments than for one bedroom, which would effectively mean [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > monique, I'm sorry, but all this talk about landlords worried about cat's claws just makes me laugh. Someday they'll figure out. It's not the cats they need to worry about. It's the humans. Sherry > I'm sorry, but all this talk about landlords worried about cat's > claws just makes me laugh. Someday they'll figure out. It's not the > cats they need to worry about. It's the humans. Definitely. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> > (Although they can probably charge a higher deposit for two and >three [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Someday they'll figure out. It's not the cats they need to worry about. >It's the humans. The only cat that I have ever had that did any real damage was Katie, who died of cancer in 2002. She had been the alpha-kitty, and, as her health began to fail, she apparently felt the need to mark her territory more vigorously. She clawed the paint off of a couple of door-frames. Unfortunately, I didn't learn about the cancer in time to treat it, and had to euthanize her. You are right that unruly humans can trash a place much worse than a cat can. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > I'm sorry, but all this talk about landlords worried about cat's claws > just makes me laugh. > Someday they'll figure out. It's not the cats they need to worry about. > It's the humans. > > Sherry I have to laugh about all the places that won't rent to people with pets, but will rent to college kids and young single soldiers. Not all, but a sizable proportion of them will do more damage than any pet could ever have dreamed of. Pam S. who's seen places after a YSS party. >> (Although they can probably charge a higher deposit for two and three >> bedroom apartments than for one bedroom, which would effectively mean [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >places. More deposit per sqft makes more sense to me than any of the >other schemes I've seen out there. A friend wound up his late great-aunt's estate a few years ago. She had lived in the same apartment since the '40s. Her original damage deposit was six dollars. >>(Although they can probably charge a higher deposit for two and three >>bedroom apartments than for one bedroom, which would effectively mean >>folks with kids were paying more.) > > Not necessarily -- plenty of non-kid-having people rent multi-bedroom > places. I don't question that, since the landlord has to be uniform about his required deposits. However, if you have kids and rent an apartment big enough for them, you're paying more deposit than the tenant with a one-bedroom or studio apartment, aren't you? >>>(Although they can probably charge a higher deposit for two and >>>three bedroom apartments than for one bedroom, which would [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > apartment big enough for them, you're paying more deposit than the > tenant with a one-bedroom or studio apartment, aren't you? Sure. I guess I inferred that you think it's unfair that people with larger apartments pay more. On rereading, I don't necessarily see that. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Uh...in FL I, too, had only heard of "pet deposits" before > moving in to rented place - ostensibly in case your pet damages anything in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > however, can get used to anything....where we live now has $150 > one-time-no-refund deposit, but does not charge "pet rent" monthly. Well, in cases like that, I vote with my feet!d Seems to me poorly supervised, undisciplined children could cause far more damage than one innocent cat. Do they charge additional rent per child, also? I realize some places you have no choice, because everyone in town may do it. Fortunately, in a city the size of Los Angeles, you never find ALL landlords following the same policy on anything. Where possible, I've always rented from owners with a single property, who lived on the premises - they're more likely to adjust their requirements based upon what kind of impression you create as a prospective tenant. A "damage deposit" I can understand - although I think dogs can be more destructive than cats, in that respect. Cats CAN do a number on the carpets, though - not just scratching, but indelible reminders of past hairballs (WHY do they put dye in cat treats - even those designed for eliminating harballs?). However, I've often wondered why so many apartments have pale grey or beige solid-color carpeting that shows even the tiniest coffee stain? "Neutral" so as not to clash with a tenant's furniture I understand - but there are so many more practical choices out there, equally neutral and less visibly stainable. In my current apartment, Rita not only has her own rent, she has her own deposit (3 times mine, even!), and her own lease! Jane - owned and operated by Princess Rita >Uh...in FL I, too, had only heard of "pet deposits" before >moving in to rented place - ostensibly in case your pet damages anything in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >however, can get used to anything....where we live now has $150 >one-time-no-refund deposit, but does not charge "pet rent" monthly. > > When I lived in NC I rented a duplex which had the HOA from hell. > > This is all sounds pretty amazing to me. Over here I've never heard of > anyone having to pay a deposit to have a companion animal. There's a > lot of "no pets" rules but for example, we have one on our rented > flat/// I had a *no pets* rule on my flat in Edinburgh. TBH, the landlord was *VERY* fair. We agreed a pet deposit and that he could have access at any time, and he allowed the dog, HRFL Tiger and Pandora. I made sure I was very open with him though, and supplied vet and pet references too. Helen M The owners of this apt. bldg. own many old historic bldgs.nationwide (they leave the outside historic facade intact but believe me I have looked @ apts w/1920 or older plumbing here and prefer present residence's "fake" old-timey-looking fixtures but w/modern plumbing and electrical wiring amenities. Same price I pay here is charged or even more for where owner of some old decrepit house here has "remodeled" it into 2 or mosttimes even more "apts" w/separate entrances *but the plumbing/wiring is still "turn of century" and I don't mean *this* century LOL. At the house my son & family rents look out if you use the underground (basement) dryer while you have the microwave going upstairs in the kitchen: the circuit breakers will flop over and power will cease. Ditto taking a shower while dishes are being washed, LOL. Owners - a national corp. - are *very* pet-friendly and aside from deposit, never charge "pet rent" and believe me, there are monstrous d-pets living in here, w/claws bigger than hoomins' fingernails! >> > When I lived in NC I rented a duplex which had the HOA from hell. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Helen M I forgot to mention never is "declaw" mentioned anywhere or in the long lease agreement....but tenants are strictly forbidden to burn candles of any kind in their apts. I can happily live with that rule, and do so. > The owners of this apt. bldg. own many old historic bldgs.nationwide (they > leave the outside historic facade intact but believe me I have looked @ [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> Helen M > I forgot to mention never is "declaw" mentioned anywhere or in the > long lease agreement....but tenants are strictly forbidden to burn > candles of any kind in their apts. I can happily live with that > rule, and do so. Well, I could live with that one better than with declawing my cat, but I'd still have a lot of trouble. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>I forgot to mention never is "declaw" mentioned anywhere or in the >>long lease agreement....but tenants are strictly forbidden to burn [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Well, I could live with that one better than with declawing my cat, > but I'd still have a lot of trouble. My main trouble with that one is that I don't think a landlord has any right to dictate such things to me! Either I impress him/her as a responsible tenant (in which case such srictures are unnecessary), or I do not (in which case [s]he doesn't have to rent to me at all). Nowadays most landlords ask for references, and take the time to check them out before they agree to rent to you - that should be sufficient. > I forgot to mention never is "declaw" mentioned anywhere or in the long > lease agreement....but tenants are > strictly forbidden to burn candles of any kind in their apts. I can happily > live with that rule, and do so. Do they ban smoking as well? Seems to me smoking is just as hazardous if not more than candles. -L. (Who is really glad she is no longer a renter...) > I forgot to mention never is "declaw" mentioned anywhere or in the long > lease agreement....but tenants are > strictly forbidden to burn candles of any kind in their apts. I can happily > live with that rule, and do so. Sorry, no one tells me I can't have "candlelight" suppers, or light holiday candles! Landlords can only get away with silly demands like that so long as tenants are willing to go along with them. (When they begin to have difficulty finding good tenants because of unreasonable rules, they'll change their minds fast enough.) Do they have a "non-smoking" rule, too? (SFAIK, more fires are caused by careless smokers than by people burning candles when they're at home.) How do they feel about tenants cooking up meths, or something else REALLY dangerous? > century LOL. At the house my son & family > rents look out if you use the underground (basement) dryer while you have > the microwave going upstairs in the kitchen: the circuit breakers will flop > over and power will cease. "Circuit breakers"? Can't be TOO "turn of the century, then - time was when you "blew a fuse" instead - then had to go hunting for a replacement, and hope you had one the right size, since different circuits took different sizes. ;-) (It's true people used to put in a copper penny and screw the blown fuse back in again, but it wasn't a good idea - a lot of fires started that way.) I live in a fairly modern apartment building, but still cannot dry clothes and microwave at the sake time - the two appliances are (perforce) on the same circuit. > Ditto taking a shower while dishes are being > washed, LOL. You need electricity to take a shower? Or are you saying the hot-water tank is inadequate to both tasks without a pause between them? >>>>It's a very old cat. I mean, unless they do house patrol, would > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Sherry Heh.. in the town of Gatineau, Quebec where my biological mom lives, there's a three pet limit when it comes to things like cats and dogs. She has her maximum all in cats :) Kristy > I think so, too Karen. I understand about neighborhood associations > wanting the curb appeal and exterior to remain neat, but how many > indoor cats you can have? I'd never last with a neighborhood > association. I'm too much of a control freak about my own property. > > Sherry We have covenants on our property. Among other things, we're not allowed to install a fence taller than 3 feet (although many of our neighbors have done so) or keep a junk car in the yard (although we did for two years, Crazy Eddie died soon after Rob had his operation). The one or two yard nazis that have tried to dictate what we can or can't do with our properties have been shot down by the rest of the neighborhood and are generally ignored unless what they point out is life threatening, or against state or local law. Pam S. who isn't supposed to have more than four cats.... >A guy at work has a 16-yr. old cat (at least 16 the vet says). He has 3 > teeth and only eats canned food. He only likes Fancy Feast. This [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > He is trying to get me to take it but I can't. I really can't. I already > have 2 cats. Any suggestions? I feel for the guy. I really do. It sounds like he has already gone out of his way to make the poor abandoned cat adoptable. But each and every one of us reaches a point where we simply cannot manage another one. Financially or emotionally or time and attention or whatever. There is saddly always one more cat. (at least) And like there is always one more cat, there is always one more problem. It is always good to help others with their problems when we can. And to know when we can't. What has the vet suggested to him? Maybe if he can't find it a home, a no kill shelter would take it in. He could even guarantee its supply of Fancy Feast until it finds someone with a place for a tired old cat to live out its days. Jo > What has the vet suggested to him? Maybe if he can't find it a home, a no > kill shelter would take it in. He could even guarantee its supply of > Fancy Feast until it finds someone with a place for a tired old cat to > live out its days. No, a no-kill shelter is not going to take the cat in. Sorry, I'm the intake person at a limited admission shelter, and this is what everyone thinks. That because we don't put down routinely, we take anything. It is unfair to the cat to make him live in a cage for up to a year (yes, that's probably how long it will take for a 16 yr old to get adopted). Occasionally, we have spaces open for hospice fosters, but those are usually taken up by strays. Remember, a no-kill shelter does not put down for space, and our space is limited. We really can't take every cat that walks through the door. In the case of the shelter I'm with, we take strays (animal control and citizen strays) in as our first priority. Owner turn-ins usually have to wait at least a week, and with those we have to make a judgment call. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to turn this into a lecture, but lately I've been getting a number of requests for older cats, and we just can't take them. It breaks my heart, but I've had to stop feeling personally responsible for every turn-in request or I can't do my job. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG > > What has the vet suggested to him? Maybe if he can't find it a home, a no > > kill shelter would take it in. He could even guarantee its supply of [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > It breaks my heart, but I've had to stop feeling personally responsible for > every turn-in request or I can't do my job. Thanks Kelly for the informative message. I feel badly for this cat. > Thanks Kelly for the informative message. I feel badly for this cat. I do too. Really the best thing this person can do is pay the fee until a new home is found, or lie to the manager until a new home is found. They have to give 24 hour notice before entering the apartment, and when they do the person can day-board the cat. As for finding a home, post a message at local vets - advertise the cat as a good match for an older single or couple. Be sure to include a picture. It would be a nice cat for someone who has recently lost theirs. Where do you live? Sometimes just getting the word out through local the rescue network can work wonders. When my Mom died, I was able to find a home for one of her cats eventhough I lived in CA and she lived in Illinois - a friend of mine sent the message to her coworker (in the midwest) who knew a friend of a friend who was willing to take him. So, never say never. -L. > It breaks my heart, but I've had to stop feeling personally > responsible for every turn-in request or I can't do my job. You're so great to continue to do what you do. Stress is not what you need right now. You have two parasites depending on you. Bless you for thinking of the furries too. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > You're so great to continue to do what you do. Stress is not what you > need right now. You have two parasites depending on you. Bless you > for thinking of the furries too. Two parasites, lol! Well, they are sapping all the energy out of me :) Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG >> You're so great to continue to do what you do. Stress is not >> what you need right now. You have two parasites depending on >> you. Bless you for thinking of the furries too. > > Two parasites, lol! Well, they are sapping all the energy out > of me :) ;) I hope you're feeling well Kelly. I can't imagine carrying twins. But my sis did it. They're 5 yrs old now, and my sis is only 1 yr younger than me. LOL Take care of yourself sweetie. I know you are though. :) SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > I hope you're feeling well Kelly. I can't imagine carrying twins. > But my sis did it. They're 5 yrs old now, and my sis is only 1 yr > younger than me. LOL Take care of yourself sweetie. I know you are > though. :) Thanks Cheryl :) It can be tough and I do get incredibly tired, but it's worth it! Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG > He is trying to get me to take it but I can't. I really can't. I already > have 2 cats. Any suggestions? Get the cat and get a new friend. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > > He is trying to get me to take it but I can't. I really can't. I already > > have 2 cats. Any suggestions? > > Get the cat and get a new friend. Update on the 16-yr. old kitty: He is still with his owner and the kitty is adorable.... he showed me at least 24 pics of the gal. He is a she. A tuxedo. And looking very healthy. He and wife are getting divorced and splitting up. That is why he is trying to find a home for her. But, after my ohhhhs and awwsss and telling him the cat could live many years yet, esp. since she is so healthy.... he hasn't taken her to the vet for put down... yet. He says he is going to do it but has not. I volunteered to take copies of the pics (good belly pics) and post them around the bulletin boards at work hoping someone would adopt her. If that doesn't work out, I will most likely take her. I don't know how my 2 males (both 10 years old) will like that but there doesn't seem to be any alternative. Yepp > He >wants to get rid of it, but at age 16, no one wants it. > >He is trying to get me to take it but I can't. I really can't. I already >have 2 cats. Any suggestions? I don't know where you live, and this is a long shot, but if it were I, I'd contact Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah. They can give loads of ideas and suggestions, and possibly take the kitty in. If they have no room for it, there is a vast network of members all over the country who can come to the rescue. They've solved many similar problems through this network. If BF can take the cat and it's some distance away with transportation difficult, there have even been many cases where members "relay", i.e., if it's in, say, PA and a member is making a trip to IL, the animal is dropped off with a member who is driving to NM, who in turn leaves it with a member on his way to a point where he'll pass by BF. When we volunteered at BF last year, we worked in the Geriatrics area. They are coddled and pampered and loved and are the most delightful kitties you'd hope to find. Truly a wonderful way to spend their golden years. Jeanne >A guy at work has a 16-yr. old cat (at least 16 the vet says). He has 3 >teeth and only eats canned food. He only likes Fancy Feast. This co-worker [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >He is trying to get me to take it but I can't. I really can't. I already >have 2 cats. Any suggestions? A senior citizen might be willing to take an older cat. Why not put up a notice at a retirement center? -- CATherine This kitty probably only has a few more good years in his life... When we got this apartment, we told the landlord we had two cats. We DID have two cats. We had no plans to get more cats. It was, erm, either destiny ("kumani" in an african language") or the hand of Chance (known as "tyche" in Greek) that made DP be the one to find two infant kittens in a trashpile at a time the humane society could not care for them. Suddenly they were our responsibility since no one else would take the job. So now there are four cats in here. IF anyone knows, they don't care. I would probably take in this old kitty, but if your landlord is really hostile and inspects a lot, I can see how your case might be different. Start telling everyone you know and get him to do the same to see if there is someone who can foster this ol' boy. He deserves a good home to live out his days in. Purrs for him to find a good home. --Fil Lots of purrs and best wishes for the poor kitty to find his onetruehome really soon, SignaturePolonca & Soncek > A guy at work has a 16-yr. old cat (at least 16 the vet says). He has 3 > teeth and only eats canned food. He only likes Fancy Feast. This co-worker [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > He is trying to get me to take it but I can't. I really can't. I already > have 2 cats. Any suggestions? |
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