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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / April 2005OT The Smoke is White
Just heard a live BBC feed from the Vatican-- the smoke is white, and the bells were audible. There seems to be a new Pope. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Thanks for the head's up! I'm headed over to put CNN on right now! > Just heard a live BBC feed from the Vatican-- the smoke is white, and > the bells were audible. There seems to be a new Pope. > > Theresa > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Benedict XVI. Smokie Darling (Annie) - Not a great Catholic, but I am Catholic (and LDS, oddly enough). > Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Benedict XVI. Known as Cardinal "NO". Ultra conservative.... Much of the same when it comes to Vatican policy, less interesting than John Paul II in personality & public persona. Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas >> Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Benedict XVI. > >Known as Cardinal "NO". Ultra conservative.... Much of the same when it >comes to Vatican policy, less interesting than John Paul II in personality & >public persona. He's 78. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > > Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Benedict XVI. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat > En Vino Veritas Yep, listening to Fox (Faux, if you prefer) News, you can actually hear the spin. "He's a traditionalist", "A better choice for name might have been Pius", "A great sign that election was a quick election, the church is united", and on and on. But still, I cried with a bit of joy. Odd, considering I am not a practicing religious person. My mother would be a bit dismayed by this election, I think. She really liked the personality of John Paul II. Smokie Darling (Annie) - The Italian Cardinals supposedly will nickname him Papa Razzo (?) >>> Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Benedict XVI. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Smokie Darling (Annie) - The Italian Cardinals supposedly will nickname > him Papa Razzo (?) He did choose "Benedict" though, which is a liberal pope name, so perhaps a medium evening out? >> > Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Benedict XVI. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >the spin. "He's a traditionalist", "A better choice for name might >have been Pius", But Benedict is very appropriate too- since St. Benedict established the rules for monastic life that are followed to this day. Talk about traditional. >But still, I cried with a bit of joy. Odd, considering I am not a >practicing religious person. I am not either, but I was raised Catholic, and all that ceremony is in my DNA. It is something very powerful for me to see St. Peter's Basilica, and all the red robes blowing in the wind. I find it a very moving moment when the Cardinal comes out and says "Annuncio vobis magnam gaudeam"-- I announce to you a great joy . . ." Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >> Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Benedict XVI. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat > En Vino Veritas However, right hand man to John Paul II so probably ready to carry on established doctrine. I guess he tried to retire a couple of times, but the Pope would not let him. That says quite a bit. >>> Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Benedict XVI. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > established doctrine. I guess he tried to retire a couple of times, > but the Pope would not let him. That says quite a bit. Ah, and now I guess he really can't retire, eh? Has anyone ever been elected Pope and said, "No, thank you"? Jill > Ah, and now I guess he really can't retire, eh? Has anyone ever been > elected Pope and said, "No, thank you"? The stance is that unless there is a major health reason not to, the cardinal who is elected will serve, believing it is the will of God. However, there have been several who have resigned, but that has been a very long time ago. Diane All I will say is: Good luck, Pope Benedict XVI. You'll have your work cut out for you, not least for making the job your own after John Paul II held the Papacy for 26 years. And good luck, world. (Sigh) I was hoping for a new pope who recognized that contraception can be necessary to save more than a few lives. Melissa >> Just heard a live BBC feed from the Vatican-- the smoke is white, and >> the bells were audible. There seems to be a new Pope. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Smokie Darling (Annie) - Not a great Catholic, but I am Catholic (and > LDS, oddly enough). I don't get the name change. Why pick one that 15 other people have had? I would have gone for Pope Fiction I. ;-) -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > I don't get the name change. Why pick one that 15 other people have > had? I would have gone for Pope Fiction I. ;-) http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/pope/new_name.html I like the story about the one who had to use his second choice, because his first choice meant 'beautiful', and he had a reputation for vanity! The name change tradition has an interesting history, and it appears to have developed slowly over the centuries.  SignatureCheryl >> I don't get the name change. Why pick one that 15 other people have >> had? I would have gone for Pope Fiction I. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I like the story about the one who had to use his second choice, because >his first choice meant 'beautiful', THere *was* at least one Pope Formosus (beautiful) that I know of. People loved him so much that he was dug up after his death, and re-executed. :P Papal history rocks. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > > I don't get the name change. Why pick one that 15 other people have > > had? I would have gone for Pope Fiction I. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The name change tradition has an interesting history, and it appears to > have developed slowly over the centuries. LOL, Fiction I. Of course if they really wanted to be divisive Muhamed I would cause chaos. Cheryl: your CBC link reaveals you as a Canuck! What part of our fair land do you live in? SignatureMathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas > LOL, Fiction I. Of course if they really wanted to be divisive Muhamed I > would cause chaos. > Cheryl: your CBC link reaveals you as a Canuck! What part of our fair > land do you live in? Newfoundland. SignatureCheryl <SNIP> > Newfoundland. Ahhhh, that magical land where everything happens a half hour later. I'm at the other end of the spectrum, BC. SignatureMathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas > I don't get the name change. Why pick one that 15 other people have > had? I would have gone for Pope Fiction I. ;-) My pick would have been Pope George Ringo. :) -- Tony > Just heard a live BBC feed from the Vatican-- the smoke is white, and the > bells were audible. There seems to be a new Pope. > > Theresa > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My > Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Thanks for the alert. I went into the other room to watch on TV. When the new pope started to speak, I glanced at my wall clock and the pendulum stopped swinging just then. I got up and rewound it and restarted it at 10:46 (guessed the time). Omen? I don't really believe in omens and I am not Catholic. But in case it is an omen, could it mean starting anew?> MLB > > Just heard a live BBC feed from the Vatican-- the smoke is white, and the > > bells were audible. There seems to be a new Pope. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and I am not Catholic. But in case it is an omen, could it mean starting > anew?> MLB This is strange, I got chills when I read that (guess I'm more Catholic than I thought). Of course, I could be a pessemist (sp?) and say it means that any forward movement in the church was stopped. Rather, I like your interpretation. A new start, that sounds promising and happy. Smokie Darling (Annie) But not for long, he's 78 - how mad is that? > Just heard a live BBC feed from the Vatican-- the smoke is white, and > the bells were audible. There seems to be a new Pope. > > Theresa > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > But not for long, he's 78 - how mad is that? Probably more honorary than anything else. -L. > But not for long, he's 78 - how mad is that? that's more normal for the papacy actually. You don't get 26 year reigns usually. He *is* a pretty healthy looking 78. Not mad at all. He's probaly goign to be whats knows as a "transition Pope", one htat doesn't stay around too long and doens't change too many things. The reason why is that John Paul II was so popular and loved throughout the world, even by Catholics and non-Catholics alike (even if htey didn't necesarily agree with him on all things), that a new pope coming in and changing everything all of a sudden would not sit well. Benedict XIV will probably be fairly similar to John Paul 2's stance on stuff, but isn't supposed to be around for a long time. The world needs time to "recover" from John Paul 2 and the issues surrounding him settle down a bit, and Benedict XIV can do that. In about 5 years or so when John Paul's influence has faded a little, Benedict XIV should be due to "retire", and the *next* Pope could well be another radical reformer of the Papacy, if not also the Catholic faith, just like John Paul 2 was. God knows we need it. (OK, I'm not Catholic but Joel and Cary are, and we all go along to Catholic church) Yowie > But not for long, he's 78 - how mad is that? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > Not mad at all. He's probaly goign to be whats knows as a "transition Pope", > one htat doesn't stay around too long and doens't change too many things. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > > > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com I'm a non-practising Jew (in fact I follow no organised religion) but I think all the main religions need a bit of a rethink for a new millenium, times change and if they want to keep their followers they will have to (especially in the so called "developing" countries) where they are responsible for the death and suffering of many of their followers. They are supposed to care for the poor and needy, but they don't give a stuff - it's all about power. In fact I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that the Latin for domination is religion. Marcia (suffering PMT and feeling angry with the world today - sorry!) > I'm a non-practising Jew (in fact I follow no organised religion) but > I think all the main religions need a bit of a rethink for a new [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I remember reading somewhere that the Latin for domination is > religion. > Marcia (suffering PMT and feeling angry with the world today - sorry!) So I'll be brief in consideration of your PMT and suggest that specific criticisms of religions might be better discussed in another newsgroup or privately. Because if not, I would want to try to explain that I, as a follower of a 'main religion', haven't caused the death of a single person in any part of the world, and resent being accused of doing so. Instead, I'd rather talk about my cats who are doing very well, but I have heard a rumour that the cats-only vet is shutting down her clinic, which is somewhat worrying. SignatureCheryl > > In about 5 years or so when John Paul's influence has faded a little, > > Benedict XIV should be due to "retire", and the *next* Pope could well be > > another radical reformer of the Papacy, if not also the Catholic faith, just > > like John Paul 2 was. > I'm a non-practising Jew (in fact I follow no organised religion) but > I think all the main religions need a bit of a rethink for a new [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I remember reading somewhere that the Latin for domination is > religion. I'm a practicing Wiccan and I'm a little bewildered by all this fuss over the Pope. Sure, makes sense if you're Catholic, but... Then I realized what effect the leader of the small nation called Vatican City has worldwide. My parents are Protestant Christians and they have no leader who is such a figurehead and celebrity and force in international politics the way the pope is--neither does my religion. I hereby voice opinion as someone with interest/concern in global politics. So, I am somewhat dismayed by the election of a conservative Pope, because I believe that Catholicism is unfair to female members of its church (though maybe that is because I come from a faith that sees male and female as equal, God as both genders, and gender as a spectrum instead of two neat categories). I think allowing women to serve as priests would help these women improve their relationship with God and break down barriers of sexual discrimination. I think that saving lives from AIDS is more important than avoiding the use of birth control when it comes to using condoms in Africa. I think that using birth control is better than abortion and also better than having children who are unwanted and whom the parents are unable to care for properly. I heard a comment that the new Pope is not in favour of counselling for pregnant teenagers. WTF? Jesus ate with prostitutes! Aren't pregnant teens the ones MOST in need of help and support?? I'm going to hush up now because these issues are the Catholic church's issues to resolve, and not mine. To those of you who are Catholic, I hope your new Pope proves a good leader for you. --Fil > I'm a practicing Wiccan and I'm a little bewildered by all this fuss > over the Pope. Sure, makes sense if you're Catholic, but... Then I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I hereby voice opinion as someone with interest/concern in global > politics. I think maybe it's just that #1 Pope John Paul II was just SO out there and active. So much more than any other Pope. Very unusual. So it made everyone more aware of the position, not just Catholics. #2 No other major news going on right now helps. #3, What I find amazing is how much *news* coverage of Catholic policies etc. there is. Like it is another party on the American ticket or something. I can't believe half the population wants to see their nightly news anchors reporting on Catholic theology. It is a pretty amazing phenom. The process is interesting though, so I think taht was kind of just natural fascination with an ancient tradition. > So, I am somewhat dismayed by the election of a conservative Pope, > because I believe that Catholicism is unfair to female members of its [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > having children who are unwanted and whom the parents are unable to > care for properly. They are going to have to tackle shortage of priests *really* soon. My mom's poor parrish priests are run ragged going to tons of little towns all the time. They had to cut back a mass on Sunday. > I heard a comment that the new Pope is not in favour of counselling > for pregnant teenagers. WTF? Jesus ate with prostitutes! Aren't > pregnant teens the ones MOST in need of help and support?? Eh. I've heard a lot of comments made lately that are just not true or not complete, so I tend not to believe it till I see it somewhere official. It may have meant counselling of abortion or something. > I'm going to hush up now because these issues are the Catholic > church's issues to resolve, and not mine. To those of you who are > Catholic, I hope your new Pope proves a good leader for you. > > --Fil >> I'm a practicing Wiccan and I'm a little bewildered by all this fuss >> over the Pope. Sure, makes sense if you're Catholic, but... Then I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >ticket or something. I can't believe half the population wants to see their >nightly news anchors reporting on Catholic theology. Roman Catholics are the US's largest religious minority. And more of the world's Catholics live in the US than in any other single country. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > >> I'm a practicing Wiccan and I'm a little bewildered by all this fuss > >> over the Pope. Sure, makes sense if you're Catholic, but... Then I [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Roman Catholics are the US's largest religious minority. And more of > the world's Catholics live in the US than in any other single country. I thought Brazil had that title. >> >> I'm a practicing Wiccan and I'm a little bewildered by all this fuss >> >> over the Pope. Sure, makes sense if you're Catholic, but... Then I [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> > I thought Brazil had that title. Maybe. But Catholics are still pretty numerous here. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > > I'm a practicing Wiccan and I'm a little bewildered by all this fuss > > over the Pope. Sure, makes sense if you're Catholic, but... Then I > I think maybe it's just that #1 Pope John Paul II was just SO out there and > active. So much more than any other Pope. Very unusual. So it made everyone > more aware of the position, not just Catholics. #2 No other major news going > on right now helps. The odd thing was that Canada does have other major news going on...our federal government may be about to fall. The process is interesting though, so I think taht was kind of just > natural fascination with an ancient tradition. Now that part was interesting. I learned a lot from that coverage. --Fil >>> I'm a practicing Wiccan and I'm a little bewildered by all this fuss >>> over the Pope. Sure, makes sense if you're Catholic, but... Then I > >> I think maybe it's just that #1 Pope John Paul II was just SO out >> there and active. So much more than any other Pope. Very unusual. So >> it made everyone more aware of the position, not just Catholics. #2 >> No other major news going on right now helps. > > The odd thing was that Canada does have other major news going > on...our federal government may be about to fall. Seriously?!?!? Tell me more! I've been out of the country way too long, I think. Over 4 years now. I've got no clue about what's going on. Parents and friends back home aren't helping to keep me informed. -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album <SNIP> > Seriously?!?!? Tell me more! I've been out of the country way too > long, I think. Over 4 years now. I've got no clue about what's going [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Check out pictures of Vino at: > http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album Fedral sponsership scandal, opposition wants to bring the Govt. down... BC election on May 17th... Looks like Campbell & his gaggle of sleazy land developers will win again. Border still closed for Canadian beef & softwood. US pissed off at us for not joining their missle defence program.... Rick Mercer still mercelesly making fun of it all. SignatureMathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas > <SNIP> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Canadian beef & softwood. US pissed off at us for not joining their > missle defence program.... Rick Mercer still mercelesly making fun of > it all. Thanks! -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album >>> I'm a practicing Wiccan and I'm a little bewildered by all this fuss >>> over the Pope. Sure, makes sense if you're Catholic, but... Then I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The odd thing was that Canada does have other major news going > on...our federal government may be about to fall. Wow. Had not heard about this at all! I must google for news. > The process is interesting though, so I think taht was kind of just >> natural fascination with an ancient tradition. > > Now that part was interesting. I learned a lot from that coverage. > > --Fil >> > In about 5 years or so when John Paul's influence has faded a little, >> > Benedict XIV should be due to "retire", and the *next* Pope could well be [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >have no leader who is such a figurehead and celebrity and force in >international politics the way the pope is I believe that was part of the point of the Protestant Reformation in the first place. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com <SNIP> > So, I am somewhat dismayed by the election of a conservative Pope, > because I believe that Catholicism is unfair to female members of its [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > with God and break down barriers of sexual discrimination. > <snip> > --Fil "In a my church, everybody's a pope.... I. of-a course am-a the head-a pope, but everybody's a pope" - Father Guido Sarducci SNL SignatureMathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas OK I've been looking @ this for 2 days now and no one has explained what this curious non-Catholic is wondering: what's w/the smoke? And where was smoke coming from? Bells I can understand, announcement of a new religious leader....but smoke? BTW I didn't mind a bit the poor old Pope grabbing all the headlines and tv coverage for his funeral, etc. Your new Pope - and I could care less what his name is or what his opinions are - sure looks a lot healthier than the last one! Long may he reign - or advise - or lead your faith. I feel like the more faith we got, the better with all these turbulent, troubled world times...... As I said, was some kind of smoke bomb set off or what? I was not watching the Papal events as the court hearings and charges were going on here for a serial rapist/child molester here who had terrified my area of the city before they caught him, and that had my complete attention at the time. > <SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > pope, > but everybody's a pope" - Father Guido Sarducci SNL >OK I've been looking @ this for 2 days now and no one >has explained what this curious non-Catholic is wondering: what's w/the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >had terrified my area of the city before they caught him, and that had my >complete attention at the time. Each time that the cardinals vote, the votes are counted and then burned (I presume in order to keep confidential who voted for whom). According to http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/11432755.htm, the tradition of using black smoke to signal a lack of agreement, and white smoke to signal agreement, goes back at least to the 19th century. Damp straw was traditionally added to produce black smoke, but they apparently used chemicals of some sort this time. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria Thank you, John...I just thought they talked it over, never dreamed they voted on paper like we do. >>OK I've been looking @ this for 2 days now and no one >>has explained what this curious non-Catholic is wondering: what's w/the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > century. Damp straw was traditionally added to produce black smoke, > but they apparently used chemicals of some sort this time. > I'm a practicing Wiccan and I'm a little bewildered by all this fuss > over the Pope. Sure, makes sense if you're Catholic, but... Then I > realized what effect the leader of the small nation called Vatican > City has worldwide. My parents are Protestant Christians and they > have no leader who is such a figurehead and celebrity and force in > international politics the way the pope is--neither does my religion. > I hereby voice opinion as someone with interest/concern in global > politics. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > --Fil Wow - you said it better than I think I could ever have. While the Pope's election doesn't affect *me* per se - I worry about his affect on his followers WRT voting and social policies. -L. > Wow - you said it better than I think I could ever have. While the > Pope's election doesn't affect *me* per se - I worry about his affect > on his followers WRT voting and social policies. I'm not sure if you are saying that the Pope is going to brainwash his followers, or that there's something wrong with people having certain preferences on voting and social policies if they happen to follow the Pope, or if I've misinterpreted you altogether. I think that the whole idea of a democracy is that the citizens make certain choices about how their country is run - and they can make these decisions based on whatever they want - the opinions of a politician, parent, friend, co-worker, religious leader, reporter etc. SignatureCheryl |
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