I, for one, have nothing at all against you.

Baha, don't you ever think that you are unwelcome here!  All of us have to
vent, and I, for one, don't think you went about it meanly or unfairly.  I
think you expressed genuine concerns and only confirmed something I
suspected anyway.

No apology is necessary.  Forget about it and just continue posting your
delightful stories, continue giving your wise counsel, and continue helping
those of us who need it with your sympathy, good sense and advice.

Hugs,

CatNipped

I think (for myself only, not enough brains for anyone else) that
everyone has put their foot in their mouth at least once.  I know I've
done it enough times that I've become rather accustomed to the flavor
(it's the only excuse I can come up with for sticking my feet in my
mouth daily).

My sympathy to the friend, from the woman who still cries about animals
lost years ago.  Also a woman who cries for the mice caught in those
contraptions (my Dee Oh Gee is the mouser in the house).

In the case concerning

I've noticed many times (again in my own experience) that things get
stirred up, the ball starts rolling, then it's out of control (enough
cliches?).  What starts as a "simple" explanation becomes something all
together different, and I have yet to figure out how that happens (with
me).

Rather like me?  I bet I'm a better jackass though ;).

I am no perfect being by any stretch

I speak for no one other myself, but I'd hate to see you leave.  Takes
a great deal of courage to perceive an error, (in something you did,
said, or  "allowed") and stand up and take responsibility.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

"Singh" <bahadur@localnet.com> wrote in message

Well all the imperfect posters here could leave.  Maybe they could form
their own newsgroup elsewhere.  But that really seems like a lot of trouble
since I've got a feeling it would include, if not everyone, at least
everyone interesting.

So we could start a thread for everyone who hasn't ever written or said
anything they wish they hadn't.  Or anything they would on reconsideration
wish to have written or said differently.   Probably won't work either.

So we accept, forgive, forget or just plain overlook.  For you, for me I
hope and for everyone who means well but doesn't always get it right.  Like
friends do.

Jo

Baha wrote:

..................................

Nothing I read was totally out of bounds.  Friends are people who like
you in spite of your occasional lapses.  I'm glad you post here, and
there are a lot of people who feel the same way.

Regards and Purrs,
O J

<snip>

There is no need to apologise, as far as I'm concerned you're more than
welcome here. On the other hand cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com is
killfiled, which is rare for this group.

Neither party in this "discussion" will be the first nor the last to say
things on this NG that would have been best left as a private conversation.

We all make mistakes from time to time, and all do things we regret later.
This is part of being human. Hopefully, though, we learn from such errors.

However you wish to deal with each other in private is your own business.
And I'm sure both of you will still be welcome to post here as your
grievances are with each other and not the rest of us. But I think you'll
both agree that if you both choose to post here, the group will expect you
to be respectful to each other if, indeed, you continue to communicate with
each other in a public forum. Killfiles, as they say, are great for the
blood pressure.

That being said, I personally hate seeing a friendship bust up over what was
most likely a misunderstanding. I hope you sort it out and can remain if not
friends, then at least civil strangers.

Yowie

More inserted.

There comes a time when a person may vent and say some things which may be
off-topic, or anger-stricken or hurtful, and it appears that on another
thread I may have been guilty.
CY: I know the feeling.

This is the last thing I will post concerning
the remarks on and earlier thread" ("Boy I hope this works!")
CY: Perhaps we can keep the discussion open, though maybe by email. I did
get an email from Louie, and will reply to it, so that we can take this
conversation off the kitty message board.

To the person against whom I vented, please listen to this one side. For
once, see that there is another viewpoint besides yours, and even mine.
CY: I've seen other views more than once -- so one more view isn't a new
thing for me.

Remember that paw bones are more delicate than those of a human hand or
foot.
CY: Much smaller.

My husband has a friend who only a few months ago had to euthanise his cat
because of complications from a compound fracture caused by the cat stepping
on a mousetrap left in a hallway, and not by the fellow of Louie's
aquaintance. It was in James' case an accident.
CY: That's a tragedy.

In the case concerning
Petsmart, we're not talking accident. We're talking deliberate cruelty and
disregard for the suffering of a fellow-being.
CY: That is your point of view. From my view, (back five plus years ago when
it happened) I was a new cat owner. I had only a cat for a couple days, and
had never had a cat before. I had no formal or informal training, and was
just operating by guess and miss.

We expected better of you.
CY: Sorry. I do make mistakes.

To
come off in public to a charity for which we work, after our recommendation,
and promote cruel means of discipline is against our beliefs.
CY: Promote? Never once did I "reccomend" or "promote" any of my discipline
choices. She asked what I tried, and I told her. Never once did I suggest to
you, or anyone else that you, or anyone else should use mouse traps. What I
did say was that several years ago when I had a cat, I did try that.

My fault is in venting here, for which I ask forgiveness of you and all the
posters here.
CY: Woulda been better if you'd sent it to me on private email. Then we
could have shared our views immediately.

(Indeed, I would not be surprised if I were less than welcome
here now.) And my venting here was to get the mad out of me before trying to
speak with you on a more reasonable level. I was ready to rip you a new
@$$hole. Not a way to go into a discussion which should be to resolve a
situation.
CY: I'm a lot more forgiving than you act like you expect from me. Not sure
if you noticed, but I've been as gentle as possible with my replies. that's
the real me. It didn't seriously occur to me to really blast you back, cause
that's not my nature.

I had been under the impression that you had unsubscribed and
felt this was a safe place to get it out of my system so i could come to you
with clearer head.
CY: Yes, I did. And after two or three weeks of not hearing from you, I went
looking for you. Why? Because I consider you a friend, and I didn't want to
lose contact with you. If you'd emailed me (sweet, or blowing flames, either
one) I likely woulda not resubscribed to RPCA.

To you, and all the good posters, I make an apology. This is not a place to
stir up agendas of any kind, political, social or personal. I confess that I
am quite a jackass when I want to be. I am no perfect being by any stretch
of the imagination. I went about it in the wrong way and will understand if
I am persona non grata. I do a great job of getting into righteous
indignation, and stepping on a few faces along the way.
CY: I would have replied by private email, if I thought your computer was
doing email.  I remember that email has been much less dependable for you
than the RPCA board. I do regret not fixing it right the first time. I'm a
very new computer repairman, if you can even call me a repairman. Wish I'd
had a second chance at it, the second chance might have worked so much
better. And, so it is with a lot of things. I went back to the Humane
Society, and asked them about the cat on the counters. they gave me a lot of
good ideas, and I came home moving in a positive direction. So, things
improved. And perhaps that is my goal here, that things (that includes me)
can be improved after some instruction.

Blessed be,
Baha

Actually Singh, I didn't read the thread you speak ofit was probably on
while my comp was down, and when my son came over to fix it, he
deleted a few thousand for me as they get too- too many for me,
but this I am sure of, I think you would be too well liked, to be persona
non grata at any time, you always seem such a kind person, and I think
anyone can lose their temper occasionally, I'm usually calm and try to be
understanding, but if I lose my temper its a doolally {{{{{{{Baha}}}}}}
                                Jean.P.

Baha, as far as I'm concerned, you didn't do anything wrong, and I for
one welcome your posts here.

Ginger-lyn

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