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Two days ago I began weaning off Effexor. in honour of the occasion,
I changed my sig at the Allspark toy collecting board to the above
image.
As for me, my thinking is clearer already, but I spent last night
waking up vomiting. Ugh.
--Fil
Karen - 02 Apr 2005 03:12 GMT
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Eeee.Much good luck with that. Hang in there.
Marina - 02 Apr 2005 05:49 GMT
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Purrs for the weaning. Cute pic.

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Sandy - 02 Apr 2005 06:28 GMT
Take it slow going off that stuff. Really slow. Decrease the dose by tiny,
tiny, tiny amounts at a time. When I went off of it, every time I reduced
the dose I started getting dizzy spells. After a couple of weeks they'd
subside and I could reduce the dose again. It was so bad that my doctor put
me on reduced hours at work until I was off of it. One thing that helped
was to take another SSRI-type drug while going off of Effexor. Just my two
cents worth.
Effexor wasn't the one that clouded my thinking, though -- that was
Wellbutrin.
Sandy
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Mathew Kagis - 02 Apr 2005 06:33 GMT
<SNIP>
One thing that helped
> was to take another SSRI-type drug while going off of Effexor. Just my two
> cents worth.
<SNIP>
What's an SSRI-type drug?

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Sandy - 02 Apr 2005 06:58 GMT
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> What's an SSRI-type drug?
I think SSRI stands for "serum serotonin reuptake inhibitor." It's a class
of drugs usually used as anti-depressants that changes the balance of
neurotransmitters (such as serotonin) in your system. I think Effexor works
on more than one neurotransmitter, so going off of it has more of an effect
than going off of something like Prozac that only works on one. Taking
Prozac while weaning off the Effexor kept my levels of serotonin more even
so that only the other levels were affected. I ended up staying on the
Prozac afterward because that seemed to be working.
Sandy
Howard Berkowitz - 04 Apr 2005 02:00 GMT
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> Sandy
SSRI = selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.
Couple of concepts here. The several classes of antidepressant work by
increasing the amount and/or time that one or two neurotransmitters can
work on a receiving nerve cell (neuron). There are differences in the
way they work in the gap (synapse) between the transmitting and
receiving nerve cells. The two neurotransmitters of general concern are
serotonin and norepinephrine.
Reuptake inhibitors work on the transmitting cell, which senses how much
neurotransmitter it has released, and "sucks back" (reuptake) the
excess. Other classes decrease the effect of an enzyme in the receiving
cells, an enzyme that breaks down the neurotransmitter. By decreasing
that effect, the neurotransmitter acts longer on the surface of the
receiving cells.
So, a quick summary of the major classes, without getting into
variations within a class or atypical drugs:
Tricyclic antidepressants (TCA): Postsynaptic. Increase both serotonin
and norepinephrine activity by inhibiting the enzyme catechol-O-methyl
transferase (mercifully, COMT)
MAO inhibitors: Postsynaptic. Increase both neurotransmitters by
inhibiting the enzyme monoamine oxidase. Rarely used because they have
extensive and dangerous reactions with a wide range of drugs and food.
Why fix a depression and find out you can't eat chocolate or drink
Chianti?
SSRIs: Presynaptic, inhibiting the reabsorption of serotonin alone.
Effexor and a few other drugs without a real class name: Presynaptic,
but inhibiting the reabsorption of both serotonin and norepinephrine.
There is at least one selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, but I
can't remember the name.
Incidentally, direct stimulants like amphetamine and Ritalin are
sometimes appropriate, especially for childhood or sometimes geriatric
depression. Lithium and anticonvulsants are useful for a bipolar
disorder, with mood swings from super-high to depressed, or for manic
mood alone.
Also, there can be excellent reasons to use more than one
antidepressant, or an antidepressant with an anti-anxiety drug, or other
combinations.
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LOL..... Hate to see what happens when they eat your laxative.

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CatNipped - 02 Apr 2005 16:39 GMT
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Yikes! Believe me, I know exactly what you're going through. Try to keep
yourself hydrated. After vomiting unremittingly for 3 weeks, but the time I
went to the ER I was so dehydrated that it took 3 nurses and 25 sticks
before they could find a vein to give me fluids (it finally took an ER tech
putting one directly into the inside of my wrist).
If you'd like some support while you're going through this, let me know and
I'll email or call you.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Enfilade - 02 Apr 2005 23:06 GMT
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> Yikes! Believe me, I know exactly what you're going through. Try to keep
> yourself hydrated. After vomiting unremittingly for 3 weeks, but the time I
> went to the ER I was so dehydrated that it took 3 nurses and 25 sticks
> before they could find a vein to give me fluids (it finally took an ER tech
> putting one directly into the inside of my wrist).
Well, as of today, I'm feeling pretty good. Asian food is happy in my
tummy and my mind's returning to a razor sharpness I've almost
forgotten. I'm writing fiction again, and the only problem is my
constant fatigue (my reason for quitting int he first place) and an
aching in my joints. I slept 10 hours last night and another 5 this
afternoon, but when I /am/ up, I feel alert, don't mix up words, and
am able to do stuff. So far, so good.
I'm currently on a half-dose of Effexor and will not be taking any
other antidepressants unless I have another prolonged episode.
--Fil
CatNipped - 03 Apr 2005 02:10 GMT
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Good! I quit cold turkey, so I'm sure I had more problems than if I could
have talked my doctor into weaning me off of them (I lost my insurance so I
may not have had time to get weaned off anyway).
I hope you continue to do so well. Good luck.
Hugs,
CatNipped
O J - 02 Apr 2005 21:47 GMT
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>Two days ago I began weaning off Effexor. in honour of the occasion,
>I changed my sig at the Allspark toy collecting board to the above
>image.
I've seen that picture before without the caption. Take care of
yourself coming off the Effexor. Along the same lines, I had a
different experience. I changed to a different med all at once and
had no ill effects other than being a lot more sleepy. DH says I'm
less depressed. Damn! There are a lot of depressed folk on this
group. No wonder I feel so at home. <G>
Regards and Purrs,
O J
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> O J
I think it's sort of cause and effect. In order to properly love a cat, you
have to be highly sensitive. And I think when you're highly sensitive all
the bad things in the world just "get to you" a lot more than to most
people.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Adrian - 03 Apr 2005 12:05 GMT
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Good luck weaning off Effexor, I weaned myself off it over 2 months
almost a year ago, so I can sympathise with what you're going through.

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Enfilade - 04 Apr 2005 21:33 GMT
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Well, I currently feel great...no more vomiting after that first
night, and I'm more alert than I've been in months. Yesterday was the
first day I didn't need a nap in several weeks. It's awesome. I can
concentrate so much better on work, too.
On Friday the dose drops again though....
--Fil
Bridget - 06 Apr 2005 15:30 GMT
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I remember when I came off of Effexor. I will never take that drug
again. It has the worst side effects of any of the antidepressants
coming off of it of any of them. It took me almost three months to get
completely off of them because we didn't cut my dose in half, but went
down in increments of certain amounts of milligrams and stayed at each
for two weeks. I was so sick each time we dropped the dose. The aching
joints is classic as are the flu like symptoms. Hang in there. Been
there done that. Don't be afraid to go on other antidepressants though
because they don't do the same thing. They have a few of the same
withdrawal symptoms, but nothing like Effexor in severity.
Bridget