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Monique Y. Mudama - 01 Apr 2005 18:45 GMT
I'm not reading or posting much right now.  Two reasons, one good and one bad.

First, the good -- I'm logging lots of hours at work, but that's actually a
good thing because I'm finally (after a YEAR AND A HALF of documentation and
"design" (not really) work) coding.  I love to code.  I love it so much that I
forget about everything else.  An impartial observer would probably describe
me as manic -- I get so into it that I forget to eat.  I think, "Man, I'm
hungry, but I just need to fix this one little thing ..." and then an hour
later the same thing happens.  It's really good that I love this part, because
we have no slip left in our schedule and I have a *lot* to do.

Second, the not-so-good -- I'm on cold number three.  I think I've had one
every other week since I got back from my trip to visit family.  First I
stayed home for two days, then four days (spanning a weekend, so really down
for the count for a week), and now I have yet another spasming cough type
thing, but I refuse to miss any more work.  Even though I can't sleep.  We
have industrial-strength cough syrup, but it doesn't seem to do diddly, except
maybe keep me awake all night.  So when I'm not working, I'm pretty miserable.
At least work distracts me.  A part of me worries about the state of my immune
system if I get sick so often ...

So ... purrs all around, and don't worry about me if I disappear and only post
sporadically.  I'll try to keep up on some of the reading, but I won't
necessarily be posting.  Back to mostly lurking for me.

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Sandra - 01 Apr 2005 22:41 GMT
I have an 18 yr old son who is just like you - he lives to write software!
He has been programming since age 10, and hopes to go to university this
autumn.  We call his bedroom on the 3rd floor his turret! Most of the
neighbours probably think we only have one son, as this one is rarely seen
outside!
Hope your cold soon gets better.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 01 Apr 2005 23:51 GMT
> I have an 18 yr old son who is just like you - he lives to write software!
> He has been programming since age 10, and hopes to go to university this
> autumn.  We call his bedroom on the 3rd floor his turret! Most of the
> neighbours probably think we only have one son, as this one is rarely seen
> outside!  Hope your cold soon gets better.

Ahh, I wish I'd had that head start!  I didn't start coding till I took my
first CS course in college.

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Takayuki - 04 Apr 2005 02:17 GMT
>Ahh, I wish I'd had that head start!  I didn't start coding till I took my
>first CS course in college.

That's interesting, because it's like the opposite of what happened to
me.  In my late teens, I quit school in order to program
professionally.  Out of high school, I tutored CS undergrads at local
universities, and I considered CS undergrad and grad students to be
programming dilettantes who needed knowledge spoonfed to them by
professors, and couldn't make it in industry.  Not that you are of
course!  My views have obviously changed a lot since I was a teen.
polonca12000 - 02 Apr 2005 21:11 GMT
Lots of purrs and best wishes for you to recover really soon, Monique,
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I'm on cold number three.  I think I've had one
> every other week since I got back from my trip to visit family.  First I
> stayed home for two days, then four days (spanning a weekend, so really down
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> sporadically.  I'll try to keep up on some of the reading, but I won't
> necessarily be posting.  Back to mostly lurking for me.
Cheryl - 03 Apr 2005 02:55 GMT
> So ... purrs all around, and don't worry about me if I disappear
> and only post sporadically.  I'll try to keep up on some of the
> reading, but I won't necessarily be posting.  Back to mostly
> lurking for me.

Congrats on the work, and purrs that you feel better soon!

I have to send out a big global PURR too. I seem to have carpal
tunnel syndrome because one of my hands/wrist is massively [MORE]
painful lately so saving the typing for work (which requires it). A
friend of mine squeezed my wrist on either side of the joint and it
cracked loudly (doing that a lot anyway) and it felt better for a
bit, so at least I know what can somewhat relieve the pain, for a
while.

So, many purrs for all, and I'm reading, its just really hard to
type right now.

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Howard Berkowitz - 03 Apr 2005 06:43 GMT
> > So ... purrs all around, and don't worry about me if I disappear
> > and only post sporadically.  I'll try to keep up on some of the
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> So, many purrs for all, and I'm reading, its just really hard to
> type right now.

Ouch. The carpal tunnel splints available in drugstores do really help,
although there's a point at which you do need medical intervention.

Often, the inflammation is more from a mouse than a keyboard. Have you
tried a trackball? That's not perfect -- I wound up with radial tunnel
syndrome rather than carpal tunnel syndrome. I should have known better
than when it really got sore, I needed to rest it, ice it, and take
anti-inflammatories. I also have to be careful that my hands are in an
ergonomically correct position with respect to the keyboard.

Even with a trackball rather than a mouse, I find it extremely helpful
to use a mouse pad (with the trackball on it) that has a soft wrist rest.
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Apr 2005 08:20 GMT
>> I have to send out a big global PURR too. I seem to have carpal tunnel
>> syndrome because one of my hands/wrist is massively [MORE] painful lately
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Even with a trackball rather than a mouse, I find it extremely helpful to
> use a mouse pad (with the trackball on it) that has a soft wrist rest.

I've spent most of my waking hours every day sitting at a computer for
about 10 years now.  So far, I've managed to avoid CTS while many of my
friends haven't.  Here are some things that work for me:

1) Always have a wrist rest for the keyboard.  I use a regular keyboard (can't
stand the "natural" shapes), but I must have a wrist rest.  If I try to type
without a wrist (or, according to my usage, really palm) rest, I instantly
feel pain on the underside of my wrist, prime CTS real estate.  At home, my
keyboard has an attached plastic wrist rest.  At work, it's a fabric squooshy
rest.  The key point is that my wrists aren't sharply angled while typing.
Along with this goes touch typing, so that my hands are rarely in weird
positions on the keyboard.

2) Trackball over mouse.  I'm told it slows me down in fast-twitch games, but
I love them.  BUT -- big but -- it has to be the *right* trackball.  The ones
that rely on my thumb to roll the ball quickly tire my wrist, so I seek out
the ones that let me use my index finger.  Trackballs are also great for
clutterhounds like me who have piles of stuff all over their desks.  Unlike
the keyboard issue, I can work with a mouse, but over time a trackball is less
tiring.  Because models are phased out every few years, I actually have extras
of some of my old favorites that I found at a used computer shop.

3) Trackball or mouse wrist rest.  Definitely.  This one really does support
my wrist.  I place it so that the rest is about an inch further down than the
heel of my palm.

4) Vastly preferring keyboard to mouse.  Long ago, a professor told me that
she never had CTS problems until her computer had a mouse.  I've always
preferred keystrokes to mousing, anyway, but her comment really hit home to
me.  If there's a way to accomplish a task with the keyboard rather than the
mouse, I'll find it.  I know my command-line tools and use vim as my text
editor.  In the last two years, I've had to use a lot of "Office" style
software (Word, Excel, etc), and my wrists got fairly unhappy until I got the
mouse wrist rest.  I really do think that wrist troubles come primarily from
having to mess with the mouse.

4) Cordless!  At home, I have a cordless keyboard and trackball.  At
work, just the trackball is cordless.  Logitech is a godsend for
reliable wireless tools.  It may sound silly to have a cordless
trackball, but otherwise I find that the weight of the cord, or objects
interfering with the cord, gradually pull my input devices into awkward
places.  Especially with mice, I'll notice that I've been having to
exert more and more force to move the thing around as the cords
inevitably seem to get tangled up under my desk.  If the pull is from
other cords behind the desk, it can be tricky to fix the situation.

All of that being said, 10 years isn't all that long; if I'm still CTS-free 20
years from now, maybe I'll have some idea that I've been doing the right
things.

Cheryl, as for popping your wrist, do you happen to have an existing
patient relationship with a chiro?  I'm currently having a (non-CTS)
wrist issue, and my chiro was able to diagnose the problem and suggest
some stretches to help.  I get "pressure" that builds up over several
hours until I have to pop my wrist, which it does with a satisfyingly
loud pop, after which my wrist feels better for a while.  But "popping" the
joint isn't fixing the problem, just providing temporary relief.

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Cheryl - 04 Apr 2005 01:00 GMT
> Cheryl, as for popping your wrist, do you happen to have an
> existing patient relationship with a chiro?  I'm currently
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> which my wrist feels better for a while.  But "popping" the
> joint isn't fixing the problem, just providing temporary relief.

Thanks for the tips. I've sent them to my work email so I can try
to put them into practice. No chiro, but I have a recommendation
for one from a friend, for a back problem I've never gone to see
about. Wierd thing, I have a lump on the top of my hand the size of
a pea. It is on the ligament because it moves when I move my
pointer finger. It's been there off and on for years, and it never
really hurt, and I had it checked when it first appeared. The dr.
wasn't concerned about it at the time. Now it seems it might be the
root of the pain. Being in the computer field, CTS is almost a
given, though it started again once started doing a lot of work on
a UNIX project. Therefor, I don't think it's mouse related, but
typing. My desk setup isn't the best, but moving things around to
try to find a more comfortable position didn't help, so I give up.
It's just a side-effect of the job. Along with neck pain. I'm going
to follow up with the chiro info.

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Jane - 04 Apr 2005 19:22 GMT
>All of that being said, 10 years isn't all that long; if I'm still CTS-free 20
>years from now, maybe I'll have some idea that I've been doing the right
>things.

I'm into my 27th year working in the computer field, and I'm still
CTS-free.  AND, I'm a diabetic to boot (more prone to injuries? Nah!)

Here's a couple more ways to avoid CTS:

NEVER sit with your arms hanging over the ends of any chair or sofa
or bed.  I mean, where your hands hang off the edge at a 90-degree
angle??  Don't do that. The blood needs to flow through your wrists
to heal the damage that is done, and that position cuts off the flow
of blood through your wrists.  

Same in bed. If you find that you're the type who tends to curl up
your arms/wrists when you sleep, get a pair of braces and wear them
to bed. THey'll keep your wrists straight so the blood can flow and
heal.  

NEVER sit with your head resting on your hands. Like, with your
elbows on the table and your wrists bent like that. Nope, don't do
that. Again, you have to remember to keep those wrists straight and
relaxed as much as possible when you're off the computer. It helps
the healing process.

Oh, there's a bunch more. Mostly, become obsessive about ergonomics
in the workplace. Make sure your chair fits so you can sit with
your feet flat on the floor (even if they don't stay that way - my
legs tend to curl around the stem of the chair when I'm concentrating
very hard), and make sure your elbows are even with the desk, and
your hands are extended properly.  Look up 'ergonomics' on the web.

I'm having my share of problems with DeQuervain's tendon in my left
wrist (and I'm right-handed?), and tendonitis in both of my elbows,
but then, I'm also older than dirt and have been working around
computers since the punch-card days. Things are gonna break down,
but if you are very good about taking care of problems as they crop
up, you should be able to have a less painful future (if not totally
pain-free).

If you want, do a web search for a list called SoreHanders. That's
where I learned about nearly all of this stuff, but I was on that
list long before the web came about. I'm sure they're on there
somewhere, now.

My mother went through the whole carpal tunnel surgery thing, too.
I'm trying to avoid surgery at all costs. Oh, she smoked. If you do,
Give It Up NOW.  This is your hands we're talking about. Smoking
decreases your blood flow, and you need all you got.  
(she was also a diabetic, so that was a double whammy)

I aim to go out of this life with all parts intact and working. God
Bless Physical Therapy.

Jane
Cheryl - 04 Apr 2005 01:07 GMT
> Ouch. The carpal tunnel splints available in drugstores do
> really help, although there's a point at which you do need
> medical intervention.

I have one of those splints somewhere. I'll have to find it.

> Often, the inflammation is more from a mouse than a keyboard.
> Have you tried a trackball? That's not perfect -- I wound up
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> have to be careful that my hands are in an ergonomically correct
> position with respect to the keyboard.

Radial, never heard of that. The pain from this feels the same as
if you fell forward and put out your hands to break your fall. The
wrist gets weak, I can't in any way pick something up when it
flairs up. When I typed that yesterday, it was in agony. This
morning it barely hurt, but the pain returned this afternoon.

> Even with a trackball rather than a mouse, I find it extremely
> helpful to use a mouse pad (with the trackball on it) that has a
> soft wrist rest.

I'll try a wrist rest. Thank you.

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Howard Berkowitz - 07 Apr 2005 03:52 GMT
> > Ouch. The carpal tunnel splints available in drugstores do
> > really help, although there's a point at which you do need
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> >
> Radial, never heard of that.

Three major nerves run to the hand and wrist. The median nerve is the
one that gets compressed in carpal tunnel syndrome. It provides
sensation and control in the palm side thumb, index finger, middle
finger, and the inside half of the ring finger.

The ulnar nerve picks up the rest of the ring finger and the little
finger, and wraps around a little.

The radial nerve mostly covers the back of the hand, but trackball use
can stress it.

>The pain from this feels the same as
> if you fell forward and put out your hands to break your fall. The
> wrist gets weak, I can't in any way pick something up when it
> flairs up. When I typed that yesterday, it was in agony. This
> morning it barely hurt, but the pain returned this afternoon.

This could be both the median and ulnar nerves.

> > Even with a trackball rather than a mouse, I find it extremely
> > helpful to use a mouse pad (with the trackball on it) that has a
> > soft wrist rest.
>
> I'll try a wrist rest. Thank you.

One trick -- the gel-filled ones are enormously better than the ones
that are just little cloth pillows.
Mary - 07 Apr 2005 08:15 GMT
> One trick -- the gel-filled ones are enormously better than the ones
> that are just little cloth pillows.

This is true. I must be at the computer for insane periods of time
for work, and I never have any hand or finger discomfort now
that I use one of these. But I wonder why they are so much better?
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Apr 2005 08:28 GMT
> Congrats on the work, and purrs that you feel better soon!

Thanks!  I finally succumbed and filled the antibiotic prescription my doctor
said to take if the bronchitis didn't clear up in a certain amount of time, so
if it's a bacterial issue, hopefully this will murderize it.  Last night, I
slept on the couch rather than my bed or the guest futon, and finally I was
able to sleep through the night.  DH thinks it's because the pillows I was
using angled my upper body, so I'll try sleeping in my bed with a stack of
pillows tonight.  I'm taking dextromethorphan for the coughing, but I'm not
convinced it's actually helping.

Mental note: If a medication says "can be taken with or without food,"
take it with food.  My doc prescribed the tri-pack, which is only three
pills, but each pill is a major whammy.  I took the first one on an
empty stomach and instantly got the nasties in my stomach.  As soon as I
scarfed down a substantial sandwich, the roiling subsided.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Apr 2005 08:29 GMT
> So, many purrs for all, and I'm reading, its just really hard to type right
> now.

Oh, and many purrs for your wrists.  I can't imagine what I'd do if I couldn't
type.

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polonca12000 - 03 Apr 2005 10:20 GMT
Lots of purrs for your wrist, Cheryl,
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><snip>I seem to have carpal
> tunnel syndrome because one of my hands/wrist is massively [MORE]
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> So, many purrs for all, and I'm reading, its just really hard to
> type right now.
SuzQ - 03 Apr 2005 23:19 GMT
Purrs for your cold. Sounds like your immune system is down. Are you taking
your vitamins.
Suz&Spicey
wafflycat - 05 Apr 2005 09:46 GMT
> I'm not reading or posting much right now.  Two reasons, one good and one
> bad.

You aren't the only one... sigh...

Anyhow - glad you are enjoying work and I hope cold number three goes away
soon and is not followed by cold number four.

Lots of purrs all round from my bit of Planet Feline to you & anyone else
who needs them.

Cheers, helen s
 
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