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KittyLady - 29 Mar 2005 18:28 GMT
I just found out this morning that my nephew (from a previous marriage)
was arrested this morning. Apparently he though that it was okay to rob
a store with a pellet gun and then evade the cops at speeds of over
100mph. Oh how I would love to shake him right now. He is doing okay
but the other two teenagers had to be medi -vaced out. I just don't
understand it; he was always what I considered a model child. Straight
A's, smart as a whip, volunteered at the local meals on wheels,
football player, basketball player etc. He talked of going to school to
be a doctor. I just don't understand it; I am so angry right now. I
want to go up to the courthouse when they arraign him this afternoon,
but what will I say, will I be able to control my mouth. He was my
favorite nephew, just for the fact that he was always so good. I really
feel like I have been let down. His parents divorced back in October
and he was very upset over it but I never expected this.

Skritches the KittyLady
(who is one mad meowmie at the moment)
Karen - 29 Mar 2005 18:42 GMT
Wow. Purrs for some understanding and light to come to the situation. Purrs
for calm for you.

> I just found out this morning that my nephew (from a previous marriage)
> was arrested this morning. Apparently he though that it was okay to rob
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> Skritches the KittyLady
> (who is one mad meowmie at the moment)
Hopitus - 29 Mar 2005 19:45 GMT
My heart goes out to you. I know it doesn't soothe your
state of upset, but this is what I say to my friends and
relatives when they are going thru something like this:
as parents, we can only do the best we can raising kids.
It isn't like creating a cake or building where you are due
all the blame if something isn't right with it...those things
don't have "free will"......like our children. You can only
do the best you can.

> Wow. Purrs for some understanding and light to come to the situation.
> Purrs
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>> Skritches the KittyLady
>> (who is one mad meowmie at the moment)
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 29 Mar 2005 20:01 GMT
>I just found out this morning that my nephew (from a previous marriage)
>was arrested this morning. Apparently he though that it was okay to rob
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>Skritches the KittyLady
>(who is one mad meowmie at the moment)

I'm so sorry this happened.  Purrs for you to feel better and for the
situation to work out for the best for all.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 29 Mar 2005 20:47 GMT
> I just found out this morning that my nephew (from a previous marriage) was
> arrested this morning. Apparently he though that it was okay to rob a store
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>
> Skritches the KittyLady (who is one mad meowmie at the moment)

Model children are under a lot of pressure.  You said it yourself -- he was
your favorite because he was so good.  I read your list of his accomplishments
and I wince; classic overachiever.  No one is perfect, and trying to be so is
really hard work.  Eventually, the veneer cracks.

Purrs that the injured kids heal up in time, and purrs that your nephew is
able to sort out his problems.  And purrs to you.

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KittyLady - 29 Mar 2005 21:15 GMT
I really did not mean to come across as thinking he was perfect. I was
just so sure he had his head screwed on right. I did go to the hearing,
to see if he would be relase on bond or what they would do, he would
not even look me in the eye. I had a chance to speak to him and I told
him how disappointed I was, but all he did was shrug his shoulders. I
think what disappoints me most is that he did not try and talk to me, I
was usually the one he would talk to if he had a problem, for that
matter all the kids in the family usually give me a call to help with
problems. God knows I can't solve them all but I will do what i can to
help.

I would also like to ask an opinion of those who care to interject.
my nephew is the oldest of 6 in his family, as far as I know he has
never been pushed to be a big overachiver. It was just his nature or so
I thought. What could possibly have driven him to do something this
stupid.
Cheryl Perkins - 29 Mar 2005 21:26 GMT
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> I would also like to ask an opinion of those who care to interject.
> my nephew is the oldest of 6 in his family, as far as I know he has
> never been pushed to be a big overachiver. It was just his nature or so
> I thought. What could possibly have driven him to do something this
> stupid.

None of us can say. Even you, who know the boy so well, are surprised and
shocked. Eventually, he may be ready to try to explain what happened. It's
going to be difficult for you and him and the other boys and the people in
the store, and I'm sure all our thoughts and purrs will be with you.

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Karen - 29 Mar 2005 21:26 GMT
I would guess he is actually ashamed. I would also guess he has some
tremendous problems he's been hiding. I just hope that he gets some help. We
all know how terribly hard it is to say we are wrong or did something stupid
over small wrongs. This must be overwhelming for all concerned.

> I really did not mean to come across as thinking he was perfect. I was
> just so sure he had his head screwed on right. I did go to the hearing,
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> I thought. What could possibly have driven him to do something this
> stupid.
KittyLady - 29 Mar 2005 21:32 GMT
What upsets me most is his mom's attitude about the whole thing, Her
words and I quote were " Well he is old enough to know right from wrong
so it is up to him now to sort it out".  That really bothers me, if it
was one of my girls that would have pulled this stupid stunt I would be
upset and mad of course but I would in no way leave them to sort it out
on thier own.

So know what do I do? Do I just leave it alone?
Cheryl Perkins - 29 Mar 2005 21:40 GMT
> What upsets me most is his mom's attitude about the whole thing, Her
> words and I quote were " Well he is old enough to know right from wrong
> so it is up to him now to sort it out".  That really bothers me, if it
> was one of my girls that would have pulled this stupid stunt I would be
> upset and mad of course but I would in no way leave them to sort it out
> on thier own.

How old is he? If he's 18 or over, I'd be strongly tempted to take the
mother's attitude, although I suppose I might offer some support and maybe
advice, if it were requested. And I'd consult an expert, such as a lawyer
ASAP to find out what's likely to happen and what the legal procedures
are.

> So know what do I do? Do I just leave it alone?

You do what you think is best. Sometimes when people have serious
problems, the best thing you can do is simply maintain contact. You don't
have to approve, excuse, or ostracize. You can visit, write, call, and
keep the lines of communication open. Eventually, maybe he'll straighten
himself out. The more connection he can maintain with other people who
don't do stuff like that, the more chances he'll be able to overcome it.

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Karen - 29 Mar 2005 21:58 GMT
It seems like you are close enough with him to just be a supportive
presence. Let him know he can call on you (if you are fine about that) if he
chooses to ask for help.

> What upsets me most is his mom's attitude about the whole thing, Her
> words and I quote were " Well he is old enough to know right from wrong
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>
> So know what do I do? Do I just leave it alone?
Hopitus - 29 Mar 2005 23:14 GMT
This may sound oversimplistic but it's not.....if you are
able, contribute toward getting your nephew the best
defense attorney in his area. What happens to him now
will depend on this. Check out the M. Jackson farce displayed throughout the
land, and/or R. Blake's trial
outcome......but of course, you know this already.

> What upsets me most is his mom's attitude about the whole thing, Her
> words and I quote were " Well he is old enough to know right from wrong
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>
> So know what do I do? Do I just leave it alone?
hobbs - 06 Apr 2005 10:43 GMT
I haven't been able to read all this thread, but I think you should try to
help,and maybe keep him under your wing, If thats at all possible,
I dont know his age, but troublesome kids have often been led astray by peer
pressure, even in their late teens, but can be brought back by by
love and understanding and just the knowledge that someone loves them enough
to care about them in spite of their errant ways, can make them
cross over onto the right side of life. I had a few troublesome kids in
my 15 years as a foster parent, younger than your nephew obviously but
still old enough to know the difference between right and wrong and
with kindness and understanding they can learn the error of their ways.
let him know that you are disappointed in him, but that you will still be
there for him, and that your sure he will turn out well in the future.
remember that if everyone say's he's no-good, a child, whatever age,
will generally think, 'if people think I'm bad I may as well be  bad.'
 Hope you have some success with this troubled lad.  Jean.P.

> What upsets me most is his mom's attitude about the whole thing, Her
> words and I quote were " Well he is old enough to know right from wrong
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>
> So know what do I do? Do I just leave it alone?
Monique Y. Mudama - 29 Mar 2005 21:32 GMT
> I really did not mean to come across as thinking he was perfect. I was just
> so sure he had his head screwed on right. I did go to the hearing, to see if
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> pushed to be a big overachiver. It was just his nature or so I thought. What
> could possibly have driven him to do something this stupid.

I'm sorry; I really wasn't trying to place blame on you or his family,
although it probably came across that way.  Teenagers are under a lot of
pressure; the eldest child usually is, too.  But of course he's responsible
for his own actions.  Maybe he didn't talk to you because he's not proud of
the kinds of things he's been doing?

I hope that you get a chance to reach out to him, and that he trusts you in
the future.  Please don't give up on him. We all have made mistakes; his was a
doozy, but he's still family, and if what you've said is true, you may be in a
position to help him.

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KittyLady - 29 Mar 2005 21:40 GMT
Monique, I did not take your reply as trying to place blame. I have
read many of your post and know that that would not be of your nature.

You wrote
"But of course he's responsible
for his own actions.  Maybe he didn't talk to you because he's not
proud of
the kinds of things he's been doing? "

Thats what makes me feel like I LET HIM down, I was by no means a model
child. I have always felt that if I shared the stupid things I did with
the children then they would be more comfortable talking things over
with me. There is nothing that he could do that would make me ashame of
him or hate him. Yes I am angry with him but I still love him.
hobbs - 06 Apr 2005 10:54 GMT
I agree with Monique, and was just thinking of posting again and saying he
was probably embarassed at letting you down to speak to you, you
have a kind heart and I'm sure your love for him will help  Jean.P.
> > I really did not mean to come across as thinking he was perfect. I was just
> > so sure he had his head screwed on right. I did go to the hearing, to see if
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>
> pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca
CatNipped - 29 Mar 2005 21:34 GMT
>I really did not mean to come across as thinking he was perfect. I was
> just so sure he had his head screwed on right. I did go to the hearing,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> I thought. What could possibly have driven him to do something this
> stupid.

The eldest child is often pushed, by circumstances and (probably
unconsciously) by parents to be an overacheiver.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Jo Firey - 29 Mar 2005 22:45 GMT
>>I really did not mean to come across as thinking he was perfect. I was
>> just so sure he had his head screwed on right. I did go to the hearing,
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>
> CatNipped

And some humans are just wired that way.  My younger daughter had some
anxiety issues in grade school.  When we tried to get help from the school
they determined that we were pushing her too hard to excel.  And layered in
on pretty thick.

Trust me, it wasn't us.  This is a child that did her homework when she got
home from school.  On her own.  I was at work.  She set her own bedtime from
the time she was about four and went to bed at that time.  She seldom if
ever got into any trouble.  But when she did, she tended to "excel"  at that
as well.

Some perfectionists are made and some are just plain born that way.

Jo
CatNipped - 29 Mar 2005 23:27 GMT
>>>I really did not mean to come across as thinking he was perfect. I was
>>> just so sure he had his head screwed on right. I did go to the hearing,
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>
> Jo

Yes, of course you're right.  I am the youngest and I was the same way.  I
had a teacher tell my mother that I was *too* concientious and was making
myself sick with anxiety.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Jo Firey - 29 Mar 2005 22:39 GMT
>I really did not mean to come across as thinking he was perfect. I was
> just so sure he had his head screwed on right. I did go to the hearing,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> I thought. What could possibly have driven him to do something this
> stupid.

I don't mean to justify his behavior, but sometimes kids that seem too
perfect to their peers are pressured to prove they are not.  And too often
if they do, they don't have the "street smarts" to not get in to deep or to
protect themselves.

Jo
Hopitus - 29 Mar 2005 23:09 GMT
What could contribute to such action is called "friends".

>I really did not mean to come across as thinking he was perfect. I was
> just so sure he had his head screwed on right. I did go to the hearing,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> I thought. What could possibly have driven him to do something this
> stupid.
pmendhall - 30 Mar 2005 06:11 GMT
I hesitate to bring this up, but since it is so out of character, is there a
possibility that he has acquired some new "friends" and begun dabbling in
drugs?

The other is that he is acting out against the reputation he has had all
along.  From personal experience, when I went to college I was not the same
girl who left the small town that I grew up in.  Not that I did drugs, etc.,
but I was around people who used them frequently and saw what can happen,
especially if they were easily addicted to things.  (Theater is a whole
different world, with it's own morals and customs)

I would be available to him in what ever way you feel comfortable.
Sometimes just knowing that you are loved, no matter what, can make all the
difference in the world.  That doesn't mean you have to condone what he has
done, financially support him, etc., just let him know that you love him,
even if you disapprove of what he has done.

Diane

> What could contribute to such action is called "friends".
>
> >I really did not mean to come across as thinking he was perfect. I was
> > just so sure he had his head screwed on right. I did go to the hearing,
> > to see if he would be relase on bond or what they would do, he would
> > not even look me in the eye. >
Tanada - 30 Mar 2005 08:44 GMT
> I would also like to ask an opinion of those who care to interject.
> my nephew is the oldest of 6 in his family, as far as I know he has
> never been pushed to be a big overachiver. It was just his nature or so
> I thought. What could possibly have driven him to do something this
> stupid.

I think you said it yourself in your first post.  His parents had
recently divorced.

Often first born children are over achievers.  They take on more mature
roles because they are the oldest and feel that they have to be perfect
as an example for the younger siblings.  Then the parents get a divorce
and inside the kid blames himself.  If only I were more perfect, this
wouldn't have happened.

But then the kid realizes that there is no way anyone could be more
perfect, and he gets mad.  If my being perfect wasn't good enough, I'll
be as imperfect as I can and see what that gets me.

Basically, your nephew needs to know that you accept him, no matter what
he's done or how disappointed you may be in him.  He needs to know that
the divorce wasn't anyone's fault, especially his.  Sometimes these
things just happen.  I also think that your nephew's family needs family
therapy to work their way through their feelings about the divorce and
to learn to grow from the experience.

You can help him now by talking with his parents and offering to give
emotional support for the family while they work their way through
therapy.  Letting your nephew know that you love him no matter what will
help as well.

Purrs, and healing thoughts for you and your nephew with all the
troubles he's having.  Maybe he could use a stint of volunteering with a
local animal shelter.

Pam S.
Jack - 30 Mar 2005 09:50 GMT
> I think you said it yourself in your first post.  His parents had
> recently divorced.
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> perfect, and he gets mad.  If my being perfect wasn't good enough,
> I'll be as imperfect as I can and see what that gets me.

As a first-born myself I agree totally, esp the 'get mad' bit.  "If my
perfect behaviour still resulted in my parents' dream not working, then
why bother?  I'm just gonna cut loose, hang out with the bad crowd and
do stuff."

I'm an uncle too, and my nieces and nephews have a different
relationship to me than they do to their parents.  I'm more
adult-friend-guardian.  I talk to them as an adult, 'accidentally' drop
the occasional swear-word into my conversation with them, and so on.
My sister (the parent) is fine with it; it's part of their education in
life.  We (uncles and aunts) let the kids explore things they may not
talk about with their parent while still being within a loving, family
environment.

If it was me, I'd let him know I'm there if he wants to talk; stuff that
he can't tell to his parents, even things like legal choices, options
in life, how to make choices, consequences of our actions, etc.
Enfilade - 30 Mar 2005 00:13 GMT
> > I just found out this morning that my nephew (from a previous marriage) was
> > arrested this morning. Apparently he though that it was okay to rob a store
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> >
> > Skritches the KittyLady (who is one mad meowmie at the moment)

Y'know I wonder if he is suffering from depression or some other such
condition.  I was a straight-A student in high school and always well
behaved with teachers, but I had issues with extreme aggressiveness
towards other students, usually sparked when my parents kicked me out
of the house for such crimes as asking for a study hall class or
requesting to see the doctor.  The pressure to "never show weakness"
to anyone got to me and I got a little reckless when I was so full of
rage.

Bright Blessings for your nephew.

--Fil
KittyLady - 30 Mar 2005 15:33 GMT
Thank you all for allowing me to rant yesterday. I agree with most of
you that the best thing I can do is make myself available to him when
he is read to talk, not when I am ready.
The poster Jack and I have very similar ideas on teaching our nieces
and nephews. I was so mad yesterday that I could not think straight but
after dwelling on it most of the night I feel better. I took the
opportunity to go and see the family and they are all devestated by it.
My nephew is 16 now and has never been in trouble so I hope that the
judge will take that in to consideration at the trial. I am by no means
saying he should get of scott free, but I do feel as if a few months of
juvi hall and probation, community service and alot of counseling would
be in order.
Hopitus - 30 Mar 2005 20:01 GMT
Don't know where the nephew lives but things will go far
better for him as a juvenile offender than as an adult; it
is not even called a "trial" for juvenile court hearings. You
could tell your lesser-informed relatives this good news
but I wouldn't lay it on thick to the kid. Let him sweat for
a little bit. OTOH he probably knows already.

> Thank you all for allowing me to rant yesterday. I agree with most of
> you that the best thing I can do is make myself available to him when
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> juvi hall and probation, community service and alot of counseling would
> be in order.
 
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